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Thursday, February 14, 2019

We'll see

The White House is saying that the President will both a) sign the spending bill and b) declare a national emergency:
President Donald Trump will sign a spending bill that denies him funding for a border wall, but averts another government shutdown. Trump will also declare a national emergency, allowing him to bypass Congress and build the wall.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said on Thursday that Trump will sign the bill, but “will also take other executive action - including a national emergency - to stop the national security and humanitarian crisis at the border.”

The bill allocates just $1.3 billion for a barrier along the US-Mexico border – a drastically lower amount than originally requested by the president. It also explicitly prohibits a concrete wall, and includes a number of concessions to Democrats, such as amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US with unaccompanied minors, a ban on wall construction in several national parks, and no funding for hiring more Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.
As always, wait two days before even thinking about reaching any conclusion. And remember, nothing has actually happened yet with regards to either proclaimed action. Personally, I think he should refuse to sign the bill, declare the national emergency, and Build The Wall. But we will have to wait and see.

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Blogger mgh February 14, 2019 4:33 PM  

Fine, line those parks and forbidden areas with troops. Make the Dems choose between steel or troops.

Blogger sammibandit February 14, 2019 4:34 PM  

>... includes a number of concessions to Democrats, such as amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US with unaccompanied minors, ... and no funding for hiring more Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.

No wonder he should refuse to sign it.

Blogger Dave February 14, 2019 4:36 PM  

After a meeting with TGE, Cocaine Mitch on the floor of the Senate stated the same thing as Sanders. They've yet to vote on the compromise bill.

Blogger Quilp February 14, 2019 4:38 PM  

There are days the posts, comments, and links on this blog outshine any other site I frequent. Today is one of those days.

Blogger Dave February 14, 2019 4:38 PM  

Pelosi, of course, has stated they will review legal options to challenge the use of national security declaration.

Blogger Servant February 14, 2019 4:40 PM  

Amnesty for illegal immigrants with unaccompanied minors seems like a nonsense statement. What am i not parsing?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 14, 2019 4:43 PM  

What the hell is their problem with a concrete wall?

Blogger Mocheirge February 14, 2019 4:47 PM  

Servant wrote:Amnesty for illegal immigrants with unaccompanied minors seems like a nonsense statement. What am i not parsing?

You're not supposed to parse politispeak; you are supposed to emote based on certain keywords.

But yeah, that's nonsense.

Blogger Giraffe February 14, 2019 4:47 PM  

Every member of both houses of Congress should just be sent to Gitmo. Maybe they'd learn about the efficacy of walls.

Blogger Salt February 14, 2019 4:48 PM  

Ann Coulter is losing it over this -

Ann Coulter

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Trump is the American Merkel. But who cares about Germany? Trump just destroyed the U.S.A.



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There's no coming back from this. No "emergency" or presidential powers will allow him to build the wall, ever, after he signs this bill. Trump has just agreed to fully open borders.

Blogger The Deuce February 14, 2019 4:48 PM  

Problem is, if he signs it, he won't be signing it in two days. He'll be doing it today or tomorrow. And if it contains the human trafficker amnesty we're told it has, or the provisions against moving funds for a national emergency, then it's lights out for America no matter what he does after.

Blogger Mocheirge February 14, 2019 4:52 PM  

"explicitly prohibits a concrete wall"

Not a problem; we can use skulls lacquered with gold. Mexico can supply the raw materials. Where they source them (Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala) is their own affair.

Blogger sammibandit February 14, 2019 4:52 PM  

Illegal immigrants with unaccompanied minors are traffickers. Nothing more. Nothing less. If an American can be charged federally for bringing their own child across state borders the bar for that charge ought to lower for loser invader traffickers.

Blogger Xiety February 14, 2019 4:54 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:What the hell is their problem with a concrete wall?
It would work.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 14, 2019 4:55 PM  

Absolutely don't sign the bill

Blogger Northpal February 14, 2019 4:57 PM  

Hmmmm........what has Jared Kushner and Ivanka said? Because, when Jared Kushner and Ivanka talks, DJ Trump listens.

Blogger Dave February 14, 2019 4:59 PM  

Ann "Trump just destroyed the U.S.A." Coulter never waits 48 hours to reach a conclusion. She doesn't even wait to see what Trump actually does.

Blogger FUBARwest February 14, 2019 5:02 PM  

He shouldn't sign it and again the Republicans disappoint with all of those saying he should sign it. Those concessions alone are worth another shit down. Forget the money for the wall.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 14, 2019 5:03 PM  

Is a wall going to stop Demons with their democratic orc hordes from further taking over the government?
What are you going to do when the near future Dark Majority vote to open it up, tear it down, and help invaders get around? They will tax you to death to fly in savages from across the world and given better accommodations than you are legally allowed to earn. They will have ferries run by NGOs like Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (who for obvious reasons now identifies as HIAS) getting subsidized by your taxlords and Soros.

If you lack the will to clean house, is it even worth it?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 14, 2019 5:03 PM  

"Personally, I think he should refuse to sign the bill, declare the national emergency, and Build The Wall."

This exactly. "F*** you guys. I gave you a chance, now suck it."

"Amnesty for illegal immigrants with unaccompanied minors seems like a nonsense statement. What am i not parsing?"

You're not missing anything. It's deliberately vague. Of course if signed it will be used as an umbrella for:

-Amnesty for parents accompanying their minors.
-Amnesty for minors in the company of other otherwise unaccompanied minors.
-Border amnesty to come find the minors people preemptively sent across.
-Amnesty for non-minor siblings/relatives/friends/etc borrowing minors from their accompaniment.
-Amnesty for kidnappers disaccompanying their minors from their erstwhile accompaniment.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 14, 2019 5:06 PM  

"Every member of both houses of Congress should just be sent to Gitmo. Maybe they'd learn about the efficacy of walls."

"They said that walls didn't work, so we cordially insisted that they prove that experimentally."

"Is a wall going to stop Demons with their democratic orc hordes from further taking over the government?"

Step one of many. You don't just go Conan overnight. Gotta work up to it.

Blogger Ataraxia February 14, 2019 5:07 PM  

The biggest problem with this already-awful budget deal is that it cripples ICE's interior enforcement with the reduction in bed space and ban on hiring more agents. What good is having a wall if you can't detain and deport those already in the country illegally or those that enter legally and become deportable?

A lot of Trump fans are dismissing Ann Coulter as the crazy lady for her dire warnings about this budget deal, but I learned not to doubt her ever since she was the loudest voice opposing John Roberts to the Supreme Court back in 2005. She was right then and she's probably right now.

Blogger sammibandit February 14, 2019 5:07 PM  

> They ... tax you to death to fly in savages from across the world and given better accommodations than you are legally allowed to earn.

FTFY

I'd say start credit unions like the French and Quebecers did to get out of the Big 5, but that's too little too late. When you physically have the high ground the only choice is to strike. We huwhites won't have it much longer.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 14, 2019 5:08 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:What the hell is their problem with a concrete wall?
It would be a win for Trump. That's not allowed.

Blogger Lance E February 14, 2019 5:08 PM  

It's not just that the bill has no funding. It has several explicit clauses specifically intended to prevent building any wall, including having to get consent from Mexico-controlled city officials and only allowing that ridiculous "bollard" fencing that does nothing.

If he signs the bill, he's screwed. A cynic might even suggest he's bundling the bill and declaration on purpose, to avoid the responsibility of having to do anything after declaring the emergency.

"Wait two days" was good policy. It's becoming an excuse to forget major blunders or kick the can down the road. Last time we were hearing that he caved on the shutdown and gained nothing from it, and people said wait two days, it turned out... that he caved on the shutdown and gained nothing from it. Was the SOTU speech really that important?

Blogger Steve Sky February 14, 2019 5:11 PM  

@servant - Section 224(a) would make it so ICE cannot detain or remove anyone who has effectively any kind of relationship (even just as a "potential sponsor") with any unaccompanied minor.
Or stated another way, it codifies "Anchor babies" into law, and the MS13 gang members get a pass.

In addition, it enacts a bunch of other anti-American elements.
link

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 14, 2019 5:12 PM  

THEIR PLAN IS TO PILLAGE AND DESTROY YOU.
Not to help the poor or stop hatred discrimination or promote equality or happy feelies.

It's the same damn playbook, while your nominal teammate "right wingers" are in competition to see who can cuck the hardest to the nation wrecking agenda.

Remember what the German told you in 1925:
"He felt obliged to let as many people as possible know how deeply the sufferings of the masses grieved him and to what excesses of personal sacrifice he was ready to go in order to help them.
With this manifestation of innate modesty, so typical of the Jew, he trumpeted his virtues before the world until finally the world actually began to believe him.
Those who refused to share this belief were considered to be doing him an injustice.
Thus after a little while he began to twist things around, so as to make it appear that it was he who had always been wronged, and vice versa. There were really some particularly foolish people who could not help pitying this poor unfortunate creature of a Jew.
Attention may be called to the fact that, in spite of his proclaimed readiness to make personal sacrifices, the Jew never becomes poor thereby.

To mask his tactics and fool his victims, he talks of the equality of all men, no matter what their race or colour may be. And the simpletons begin to believe him."

Blogger LZ February 14, 2019 5:13 PM  

The bill also stops immigration enforcement. It's a poison pill and he doesn't even get wall funding.

Blogger John D Alden February 14, 2019 5:13 PM  

It passed in the Senate 83-16, per Breitbart.

Blogger Nate February 14, 2019 5:16 PM  

1) its fantastic that he is building the wall.

2) Trading a legal wall for illegal DACA is not making a great deal. I mean at least when they screwed over Reagan they pretended to give him something. They are giving Trump nothing... and he is accepting it.

Blogger sammibandit February 14, 2019 5:16 PM  

Well guys, it was fun.

Blogger Azimus February 14, 2019 5:18 PM  

This is a win-win: if an emergency is declared and Pelosi blocks it w/the supreme court, the "National Emergency" powers of the president are permanently gutted, preventing other tyrants from using it for more nefarious purposes, and the power of the legislature grows. If Pelosi fails to block, we get the wall. Win-win!

Blogger tz February 14, 2019 5:19 PM  

This bill:
55 miles of wall and amnesty for all.

Blogger tz February 14, 2019 5:20 PM  

@32 - it wouldn't have stopped Obama. There is no rule of law.
Of course if they declare Ruthie dead, SCOTUS will be different.

Blogger Pioneer Spirit February 14, 2019 5:21 PM  

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Blogger Pioneer Spirit February 14, 2019 5:22 PM  

Nearly every American has the answer to the problem in bedside drawers, behind certain doors or over mantels.

If every Mexican suddenly felt like he would be happier elsewhere or safer back in whatever barrio they came from, then the problem would go away.
The issue lies in the laps of every patriotic american. If when the first leftist got on a school board or when the first SJW burnt a flag he was ridden out of town on a rail trailing tar and feathers, there would be no issue today.

Blogger tz February 14, 2019 5:23 PM  

A barrier has been in since 2006 or earlier.
They prefer an abstract support of a wall but don't want concrete steps to put one in.

Blogger Babydoc February 14, 2019 5:24 PM  

Fine. I will wait 2 days. If I am not completely surprised by the response of the President - in a pleasant fashion - then I am done supporting either current facets of the uniparty. It is beyond time to form an American party. Have to start looking at how to build one from nothing...with zero support from the MSM, academia, or any other entity that benefits from the ultimate destruction of the US Constitution.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 14, 2019 5:35 PM  

They fear that some of them might be "integrated" in the concrete.

Blogger HanSolo February 14, 2019 5:37 PM  

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/immigration-landmines-in-the-funding-bill/

Bill looks bad. Trump shouldn't sign it.

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Blogger Damn the torpedos February 14, 2019 5:49 PM  

I think the bill is bad. But by signing it the God Emprorer would remove from his enemies the powerful rhetoric that any declared emergency will be due to his inability to compromise.

With an open government it will be apparent that the emergency is due to the fact that the Dems will not protect the American people.

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 14, 2019 5:52 PM  

Didn't someone in the commentariat point out that when a bill passes with a certain majority (super majority?) then the presidents signature is irrelevant, his refusal to sign doesn't make any difference. Is that not so? And didn't the bill pass both houses with just such a super-majority?

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 14, 2019 5:53 PM  

Although, perhaps a "budget" is a different category of bill that follows different rules. Didn't Trump tell them to come back with a real budget and not just a spending bill?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 14, 2019 5:54 PM  

... then I am done supporting either current facets of the uniparty.

Don't support the uniparty! They are against Trump and against America.

We want to keep on supporting Trump, until something better comes along.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 14, 2019 5:57 PM  

She doesn't even wait to see what Trump actually does.

Chicks love drama, and Ann gets (and generates) it in spades.

Just think about how many times we've been assured, based on "White House sources," that Trump was about to cave in on DACA, or the Wall, or border security in general. Then there's a new prediction in the same vein a few days later so we can all transfer our defeatism for that one and forget the last one didn't happen. It's an emotional roller coaster, and if you let them keep you on it, pretty soon you just want off. That's the goal.

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 14, 2019 5:58 PM  

He should sign the bill, immediately start building whatever it does fund and allow, declare the emergency, order the military to build the rest, and spend all of this time fighting whatever lawfare is thrown against the wall. Pocket veto all legislation until wall is fully funded, built, or he is impeached and removed from office, whichever comes first.

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 14, 2019 6:01 PM  

If this bill is signed into law, this day will be known as the new Valentine's Day Massacre. Of Heritage Americans.

Blogger eclecticme February 14, 2019 6:02 PM  

This is very bad. He should not sign it.
If anything he should say he will sign for the fencing amount, once they take the land mines out.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/02/14/border-security-bill-provides-aid-buses-legal-shields-migrants/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/14/gop-dem-spending-deal-provides-amnesty-pipeline-ms-13-gang/
etc.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 14, 2019 6:03 PM  

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Blogger Balkan Yankee February 14, 2019 6:04 PM  

Welcome to the late 1850s America - early 21st Century Style: A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half sanctuary and half in harm's-way.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved—I do not expect the house to fall—but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.

Your move, Uniparty.

Blogger weka February 14, 2019 6:04 PM  

I thought that law had been alrtes and the relevant precedents set by Mr Obama's administration.

Blogger Jeroth February 14, 2019 6:04 PM  

Lance E wrote:"Wait two days" was good policy. It's becoming an excuse to forget major blunders or kick the can down the road. Last time we were hearing that he caved on the shutdown and gained nothing from it, and people said wait two days, it turned out... that he caved on the shutdown and gained nothing from it. Was the SOTU speech really that important?

Trump is not nearly as nimble and unpredictable as he was in 2017. He is becoming more and more predictable. My suspicion is that the GOPe is keeping deep state coup attempts at bay in exchange for obedience.

Blogger eclecticme February 14, 2019 6:11 PM  

@43. Vaughan Williams February 14, 2019 5:52 PM

Didn't someone in the commentariat point out that when a bill passes with a certain majority (super majority?) then the presidents signature is irrelevant, his refusal to sign doesn't make any difference. Is that not so? And didn't the bill pass both houses with just such a super-majority?


Trump can veto the bill. Then congress can vote again to over ride the veto with a 2/3 majority in each chamber. If done, then congress owns the mess, not Trump.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis February 14, 2019 6:14 PM  

Notice too Nancy's threat regarding a future Dem president using a "National Emergency" to outlaw firearms. It's like the Dems are hoping for a civil war.

Blogger Martin Marprelate February 14, 2019 6:19 PM  

I feel like the civil war time period has been pushed closer by a couple of years if this goes through. Begin preparing my friends, it will become much more difficult before it get better.

Blogger VD February 14, 2019 6:22 PM  

I think the bill is bad. But by signing it the God Emprorer would remove from his enemies the powerful rhetoric that any declared emergency will be due to his inability to compromise.

Irrelevant. This is his "No New Taxes" issue. No amount of political strategery can justify a betrayal of that size.

The problem isn't that his base will turn on him, it is that they will begin to regard him as irrelevant. He's been a very, very good President, but this is his signature issue. It would be like FDR failing to deliver on the New Deal.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 14, 2019 6:24 PM  

Voting never changed anything of consequence.
Our problem is the underlying zeitgeist of this society. It's basically Cat-Rescue-Hoarder insanity, and nothing was going to change it. This trip must go the distance, and there are no alternatives that come with us maintaining our relatively high living standards and relatively safe lives.

Too many of our fellow countrymen are batshit crazy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 14, 2019 6:24 PM  

For normiecon politics it's a stinker, if it is battlespace prep for the coming North American Unpleasantness Games, it's a maybe.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 14, 2019 6:29 PM  

While Hillary Clinton was devoted to the Left-retard side of the spectrum, Trump is still attempting to triangulate the Muddy Middle.

The Middle NO. LONGER. EXISTS. Appeals to Civic Nationalism are doomed. Hotbeds of the Left are already flipping the bird to Uncle Sammy over illegal migrants. Counties (and county sheriffs) are flipping the bird to statehouses over guns.

All roads lead to dissolution. All I can say is that when shit gets real, those tens of millions of migrants will likely discover Norteamericanos to be VERY unpleasant neighbors.

Blogger English Tom February 14, 2019 6:29 PM  

@Servant

Re: amnesty for illegal immigrants with unaccompanied minors.

These kids will be used by the political class for 'entertainment.'

How can someone be with a minor and then call that minor unaccompanied?

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 14, 2019 6:35 PM  

The problem isn't that his base will turn on him, it is that they will begin to regard him as irrelevant.

Agreed. Most of those who would noisily turn on him were only pretending to be with him in the first place. But it would demoralize his base in a big way. We've had two years of the media/NeverTrump predicting that he's just about to screw us any minute, either intentionally or by being beaten down and talked or tricked into it. If he gives in, it'll be framed like they were right all along, and all the times they were wrong and he kept fighting will be forgotten.

If he can't stop them from overriding him, that's bad enough. If he doesn't take a stand and make them do it, that's worse.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 14, 2019 6:43 PM  

The only reason they're bringing in armies of "immigrants, refugees, economic and cultural improvers" for now is because the people are not yet physically + mentally disarmed enough to celebrate a globalist military invasion for progressing human rights.

Blogger cecilhenry February 14, 2019 6:44 PM  

You just don’t understand the secret 4D chess plan.

TRUMP: Doing everything Hillary would have done, just with a 2 year delay for optics.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DywnajxWoAEOyso.jpg

Blogger dc.sunsets February 14, 2019 6:52 PM  

SUCCESS COMES MOST SWIFTLY AND COMPLETELY NOT TO THE GREATEST OR PERHAPS EVEN TO THE ABLEST MEN, BUT TO THOSE WHOSE GIFTS ARE MOST COMPLETELY IN HARMONY WITH THE TASTE OF THEIR TIMES.

What are we to make of the Democrats' successes in relationship to the prevalent "taste of these times?" We are surrounded (and vastly outnumbered) by the collectively suicidal.

Blogger DJT February 14, 2019 6:55 PM  

This bill is a fucking unmitigated disaster.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/

Blogger Seth S February 14, 2019 6:59 PM  

Rush Limbaugh was saying yesterday that this small amount of wall funding plus funding they got in reserve is enough to fund wall building till October which is enough time to get the emergency through the courts and he thinks it's a good idea to sign.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams February 14, 2019 7:03 PM  

@DJT 1100 pages? They just have to pass it to see all the good stuff that's on it.

Blogger DJT February 14, 2019 7:06 PM  

The House just started voting.

Blogger FUBARwest February 14, 2019 7:08 PM  

Why are the Republicans voting for such a terrible bill?

Blogger electricsheeple February 14, 2019 7:09 PM  

Shutting down the government again would be pointless so he has to sign it. Just sign it and declare the damn emergency already.

Blogger Stilicho February 14, 2019 7:10 PM  

Signing the bill would be stupid if it has those anti-wall provisions. Let's see what happens. The Dems and cucks are playing a game of "let's give him enough that he thinks he can declare victory while we give ourselves the tools to stop him". Trump hasn't shown himself to be that stupid before yet the opposition keeps "tempting" him with bait that only a Bush or Romney would take.

Blogger cecilhenry February 14, 2019 7:11 PM  

@71

Shutting down the government would not be pointless.

IT would be exactly what is needed.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 14, 2019 7:15 PM  

@70 Why are the Republicans voting for such a terrible bill?
Bank Secrecy Act 1986
Patriot Act
Affordable Care Act
(and on and on, not even considering the execrable statutes passed in the 1960s, the 1930's and the worst of all, 1913.)

Senators and Representatives vote on thousand-plus page Acts within minutes of them coming off the printing press. This is NORMAL.

Our society, our country and our government are FUBAR because we (better, our fellow citizens) CONSENT TO IT.

The USA is the poster child for public complacency. That will change ONLY once this long spell of debt-enabled Plenitude crashes, burns and the ash turns toxic.

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Blogger Zorlig February 14, 2019 7:21 PM  

It's not too complicated, Trump needed to go through the shutdown and the negotiation to get Senate Republicans on his side so a national emergency declaration would have the votes to stick. This was all played beautifully. Trump's ability to time it is amazing.

Blogger Zorlig February 14, 2019 7:22 PM  

He needed the process to fail, completely fail, before declaration.

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Blogger DJT February 14, 2019 7:23 PM  

My bad, that was a procedural vote to approve ONE HOUR of debate. Final vote afterwards.

Blogger Akuma February 14, 2019 7:24 PM  

Vox, Im currently reading The History of Britain Volume 1: The Mingling of the Races. Id like to see a post on parallels between Hadrian's Wall and Trumps Wall.

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 14, 2019 7:32 PM  

Vox, along the same lines as Akuma, what are the best English history volumes in your opinion?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 14, 2019 7:32 PM  

Spooner are you off your meds again? Go flip some waffles and shut up.

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Blogger Centurion Revolt February 14, 2019 7:39 PM  

Coulter's one talent is that she gets the right and left to hate her.

Blogger Timmy3 February 14, 2019 7:40 PM  

Horrible. Trump should just sign a continuing resolution and cobble whatever funds are lying around, like Obama did with Iran funds, and build the wall outside the purview of Congress. No emergency and no EO that will expose Trump to judicial oversight.

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Blogger pyrrhus February 14, 2019 7:42 PM  

The bill is a disaster, can't sign it...National emergency, yes...

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Blogger pyrrhus February 14, 2019 7:43 PM  

Time for "ted beale" to be spammed, IMO...

Blogger Centurion Revolt February 14, 2019 7:44 PM  

*Only if the Mexican local officials in Texas agree to it.

Blogger Stilicho February 14, 2019 7:44 PM  

Someone is over the target tonight. Someone else has a bad case of the feelz.

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Blogger ash February 14, 2019 7:45 PM  

I think Coulter's right on this one. But she was wrong last time, so we'll see.

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Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 14, 2019 7:56 PM  

If done, then congress owns the mess, not Trump.

Sorry, bunky, but it is we who own it. When has congress ever been held responsible in any way for their duplicitous stupidity?

We need a state of emergency so the military can be brought in to do what they oughta: lay several hundred thousand anti-personnel mines.

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Blogger Lazarus February 14, 2019 8:09 PM  

MEDICATION EMERGENCY ALERT

Blogger D. February 14, 2019 8:12 PM  

Maybe the national emergency is bigger than just the wall?

https://www.qmap.pub/read/2719

Blogger OneWingedShark February 14, 2019 8:15 PM  

Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club wrote:If done, then congress owns the mess, not Trump.

Sorry, bunky, but it is we who own it. When has congress ever been held responsible in any way for their duplicitous stupidity?

We need a state of emergency so the military can be brought in to do what they oughta: lay several hundred thousand anti-personnel mines.

You're right about Congress and the rest of the elite skating off and leaving everyone else to deal with it. But you're wrong about needing a state of emergency to use the military; legally Trump has all the justification he needs with Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution, which contains a non-optional obligation for the federal government to protect the States from invasion.

So really, all that's needed is a simple ten-step program:
(1) Deploy troops to the border, with orders to secure it from invasion as per Article 4, Section 4;
(2) Authorize lethal force on the border, which has already been done;
(3) Invite the press for a nice good show/piece, timed to coincide with the next caravan's arrival;
(4) While the press are there, show them to a good vintage point, order A-10s and M-109s to bombard the caravan;
(5) Let the now-horrified press leave;
(6) Wait for the inevitable "He's a Monster!", "Impeach!", and "Our troops are killing harmless refugees!" stories;
(7) Wait for the manufactured outrage to motivate articles of impeachment;
(8) After the vote is cast, have the Army arrest the Aye-voting Reps for their obvious Treason;
(9) Have the Army arrest the newspaper reporters and editors who went to bat for the invaders;
(10) PUBLIC HANGINGS!

Blogger pdwalker February 14, 2019 8:15 PM  

Dear Moderators.

I love you guys. No homo.

Blogger Lazarus February 14, 2019 8:16 PM  

Republicans urged Trump to sign because they want cover if the National Emergency Strategy goes sour.

Then, if it works, they will pretend they were behind it all the time.

Blogger Lazarus February 14, 2019 8:19 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:(10) PUBLIC HANGINGS!

I like the way you think

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 14, 2019 8:21 PM  

So the leftists are threatening to declare their own emergencies against gun ownership and "climate" if they get the White House.
Well, that would be like... being a king?
Have we not all said that Trump should act like a king since our government and state is failed anyway? The entire reason why we have this issue with the border is because Congress wants things to remain broken so their donors and special interests can keep on benefiting from border crossing while congress pretends they can't do anything about it. The left saying "it's a humanitarian crises!" and the right saying "we don't have the votes!".
No no no. BE the king, GE Trump. So the next president, if a leftist, also tries to be a king. Because that's what it all boils down to. People were better off with kings. With a king, even if you have a shitty one, they still think about their kingdom, what their kids will inherit, and EVERYBODY knows his name, his family, and where they are.

It's a lot better than hordes of horrible and/or stupid people hiding in voting booths voting tyranny anonymously and with no personal consequences to themselves. That's what we have had for a long time. Look at us now. And western civilization prospered under those "pockets" of long reigns where the royalty was not dangerously stupid or overly ambitious. Think about this. The best advances were under kings and queens. But under democracy do we get advances? Don't think about the stupid video games and cell phones. I write of cultural advances and building of family wealth. Oh all that computer shit and what do the normies do with it? Look at dirty pictures. Yeah some progress.

But you can't have democracy and king-like presidential powers. We already have a faction that says "screw the elections!" and attacks people (wages war) in the streets over it. You can't have both because there is no stability and when everybody gets tired of that somebody will be put in charge who will have to take a lot of blame but he'll be certain not to end up with his head on a stick.

I can rant endlessly on this topic. Still like democracy? We're headed for a "Roastiepocalypse" by the way. The bitter hateful cat ladies will vote for your death just out of spite. They already vote for infanticide, if you don't believe me.

Something has to give. And I think a "President Warren" or that sort thinking of using national emergency to ban and confiscate guns is going to be thinking twice before pulling that trigger. Much better than "Oh you got outvoted and the congress made it law... oh you resist the law? That makes you a criminal! Off to prison/get murdered by SWAT! Ha ha!".
Would rather fight an evil "king" than play the "but you were simply outvoted by people you will never know and it's law why you want to be a terrorist now?" game.

Blogger John Rockwell February 14, 2019 8:22 PM  

There is poison pills within the spending bill. Trump better have a good plan to nullify it all.

Blogger wahr01 February 14, 2019 8:23 PM  

It's a terrible idea for POTUS to sign this if he's going to use a national emergency anyway.

Declare national emergency.
Tell Democrats to pass a clean budget otherwise if they want to re-open government.

As it stands, we'll be lucky if the activist judges even allow the first brick to be laid by election day 2020.

What a farce.

DJT wrote:This bill is a fucking unmitigated disaster.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/

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Blogger VD February 14, 2019 8:28 PM  

It's Andrew Spooner. He lives in Tennessee and he's got psychological problems. I had to have the police intervene with him once a few years ago. He gets like this whenever he goes off his meds.

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Blogger Damelon Brinn February 14, 2019 8:34 PM  

Man, you can tell the defeatists want this so bad they can taste it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 14, 2019 8:57 PM  

Yep it is. Works at a Waffle House in Tennessee.

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 15, 2019 4:42 AM  

Is it possible for Trump to sign the bill, but to veto individual items within the bill? If so, then may he sign to his hearts content... and veto also.

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Blogger DJT February 15, 2019 5:54 AM  

Is it possible for Trump to sign the bill, but to veto individual items within the bill?

No, there is no basis for a line-item veto.

Trump has said he will sign it. Barring a miracle, it's time to brace for a flood of accompanied minors who will never be deported.

Blogger BastionHarm February 15, 2019 6:52 AM  

People were better off with kings.

In the real world, there are only two choices:

Monarchy
Oligarchy

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 15, 2019 9:01 AM  

Just came across something on the Twitter, c/o Brian Cates:

"It took 4 hours for somebody to notice when this SPENDING BILL EXPIRES.

This is only in effect until 30 September, plus, it has the added benefit of NOT hindering his efforts available to him in his role as CinC. Also, should the Leftists try and hamper his ability to declare a national emergency, they have to override the veto in both houses, of which they do NOT have veto-proof majorities. And yes, I'm aware that you have the possibility of GOPe types crossing over, but I don't see them doing that unless they like committing political suicide.

Blogger peter blandings February 15, 2019 9:28 AM  

if trump signs that bill he will be unconditionally surrendering the entire sovereignty of the u.s. vox says always wait 2 days. we've been waiting 2 years, vox, and trump hasn't done one single thing he said he was going to do, and i've told you several times why that is. i don't know why you haven't addressed the subject here. and i don't need to wait 2 days, i can tell you what's going to happen right now: trump will sign the bill. as would any of us if we were in his position. any action he DOES take will be stayed by a judge even though the judicial branch has no authority over national security or immigration or border enforcement. neither did they have any jurisdiction or authority to put a stay on the muslim ban. nor did they have any authority to stay the rescission of the eo ending daca. the question you have to ask is why did trump abide by their illegal and unconstitutional rulings? i've told you the answer to that too. trump doesn't need any Goddamn emergency declaration. he has the constitutional authority and DUTY (what a concept) to repel an invasion without the consent of congress. when tens of millions of foreign nationals are pouring over our border against our will and against our laws, that's not immigration; it's an invasion. any congressman or judge who attempts to obstruct that duty should be charged with treason, convicted and hung. but of course here's the problem; american citizens don't care about sovereignty. they care about one thing and one thing only: not being called a raciss. they would rather see their own children murdered than called that name. and they're going to get their druthers this time.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 15, 2019 9:32 AM  

with his signature on (((Pelosi)))'s bill, Trump has effectively taken down the border between 'Murka and Mexico.

and his "national emergency", will if declared be a pro forma

like the 3 dozen other "national emergencies" currently in effect.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 15, 2019 9:35 AM  

"It took 4 hours for somebody to notice"

What, you mean the people claiming to know immediately what was in the bill and what effects it would have were talking out of their asses? I'll never trust the Internet again.

Blogger FUBARwest February 15, 2019 9:40 AM  

Did Trump sign it? Why would he sign it?

Blogger VFM Bear February 15, 2019 9:46 AM  

Apparently the GOPe really wants to lose the Senate and give the Dems a supermajority in Congress in 2020.

They're taking Washington Generalling to levels not yet seen before.

Blogger VFM Bear February 15, 2019 9:50 AM  

Seriously, if it passes the House with as much Gope support as it got in the Senate, this is how you get Speaker Occasional Cortex.

That's an actual prediction btw, not Scott Adams bafflegarb.

Blogger VFM Bear February 15, 2019 9:52 AM  

Dangit, forgot to mention that according to Big Bear the budget has the exact amount of funding Trump wanted for the wall in additional funding to each of Israel and the Ukraine, as a big middle finger.

I see no positive in signing this for Trump at any level.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2019 10:00 AM  

veryfunnyminion wrote:Seriously, if it passes the House with as much Gope support as it got in the Senate, this is how you get Speaker Occasional Cortex.

That might be a good thing. Speaker Pelosi knows how to play her part. Even the Washinton Generals would be embarrassed to lose to Speaker Occluded-Kotex. It would get a lot harder for the GOPe to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2019 10:05 AM  

Veryfunnyminion, remember that the GOPe is not on Trump's side, nor on ours. I'm thinking Trump may be happy to do some subtle damage to the GOPe, or at least pressure them to split from the Left - or from the rest of the Left.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 15, 2019 10:35 AM  

Did Trump sign it?

Black-pillers often talk about the bad thing they're predicting as if it's already happened. It's a form of gas-lighting. If they can get you to feel defeated in advance, they've succeeded whether or not the prediction comes true.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2019 11:07 AM  

FUBARwest wrote:Did Trump sign it? Why would he sign it?

Trump definitely isn't in this to lose. If he does sign, it will be because he sees it as a net win for his goals. His goals don't align 100% with our goals. If Trump misses opportunities to win, it's not because he's stupid, it's because he doesn't define winning the way we do.

I don't think that Trump's victory conditions include ending the US empire and restoring the American nation. I think he does want a sustainable empire rather than the current hot mess that is bankrupting us. In the worst case for Americans he continues to buy us time to get our logistics squared away.

Blogger Chuck Finley February 15, 2019 11:29 AM  

@151 How exactly would signing this bill, which handcuffs his ability to build the BB Wall (his signature issue), be a net win?

This is not a rhetorical question, I would sincerely like to see some outcome that is positive from this.

Blogger DJT February 15, 2019 11:35 AM  

Welp he signed it.

Maybe he will manage to get the $8 billion, but who cares? He gave amnesty to anyone who drags a kid across the border until the FENCE is built.

And he accepts the premise that the 9th Circuit and USSC controls our immigration policy, so we are done anyway. So we can stop with the Andrew Jackson comparisons.

Blogger FUBARwest February 15, 2019 11:39 AM  

Do the funding stipulations included in any given bill carry over after the funding bill expires? This lasts until September.

It's hard to believe Trump and his army of lawyers signed something that completely undermines the point. Especially when his supporters online are all circulating the info that spells out how terrible the bill is.

Blogger DJT February 15, 2019 11:43 AM  

He was probably lied to by his staff, Nielson, and McConnell.

He didn't have to sign this bill to get the emergency.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2019 11:46 AM  

Chuck Finley wrote:@151 How exactly would signing this bill, which handcuffs his ability to build the BB Wall (his signature issue), be a net win?

I have no clue.

Obviously, net win or not, Trump sees signing as his best path to his goals, which are not identical with our goals.

Blogger DonReynolds February 15, 2019 11:49 AM  

I have not read the full extent of the latest Treason by Congress, but I have read that one of the many landmines planted in the spending bill may be a big one. Suddenly, Federal law gives each COUNTY the ability to veto construction of the Federal wall anywhere in their county!

This is the equivalent to abandoning the border altogether and if that is the case, I wonder where an unbroken wall can be built through counties that do not veto the wall. My first guess is the east bank of the Mississippi River from the Gulf to the Ohio River to the Mason-Dixon. It might be touch and go getting through eastern Virginia, but if we can reach the Chesapeake, we will make it.

Blogger peter blandings February 15, 2019 11:53 AM  

fuckin' AMNESTY. i don't care if you build a hundred foot high wall, they just come in at checkpoints and they're in. america may not have magic dirt but it sure as hell has a magic word: ASYLUM. this is unfuckingbelievable. i think we can dispense with the whole ge bullshit now.

Blogger DJT February 15, 2019 11:53 AM  

And the FENCE can only be built in the Rio Grand Valley sector, conveniently holding the bluest counties along the border. Imagine that!

Blogger peter blandings February 15, 2019 11:58 AM  

Do the funding stipulations included in any given bill carry over after the funding bill expires?

yes. they all carry over. everything in the bill remains on the books, unless and until it gets repealed. everything concerning the wall and any immigration and/or stipulations will remain as law in perpetuity or until it is repealed. we're screwed.

Blogger DonReynolds February 15, 2019 12:00 PM  

The only people who have reason to feel the pain of disappointment from the president signing the spending bill, full of fish hooks, will be those who expected Trump to save this country. He cannot. These are the same disappointed people who believe there is a political solution to the division in this country and we can vote for peace, even if it is a rotten one-sided deal. It will never be on the ballot.

Even if you surrender completely and unconditionally, agree to be their slave, give up your women and your property, and promise to obey....they are still not going to spare you. They want you destroyed, dead and gone and forgotten....and they will not accept anything short of that outcome.

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Blogger sammibandit February 15, 2019 12:11 PM  

I cannot find any news on ZH or NYT to indicate he signed it. I have a question that perhaps is a bit femininely naieve and want to check my sensor calibration:

If it is true that GE signed the bill, how is this instrumentally different than Hitler abandoning the Germans to the Allies at the close of the war? It's too early to call it functionally the same but the tool used, which is betrayal, is the same as near as I can tell.

Blogger FUBARwest February 15, 2019 12:23 PM  

"yes. they all carry over. everything in the bill remains on the books, unless and until it gets repealed. everything concerning the wall and any immigration and/or stipulations will remain as law in perpetuity or until it is repealed. we're screwed."

Yuge if true!

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 15, 2019 12:49 PM  

Looks like a betrayal. He should have resigned, he had/has presumably the military option. If he's not going to exercise that, what else is he going to do.

Amnesty makes the problem worse, and any good he continues to do from this point, can be turned to greater evil. Was doing relatively well up until this point.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 16, 2019 11:04 AM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:Looks like a betrayal.

No. He's still plugging away at his priorities, which are not identical with our priorities.

Trump was never one of us. Remember 2015, when we were just hoping he would destroy the GOP? Remeber 2016, when we were unsure he would do anything? Remember 2017 and 2018, when he actually did some mostly good stuff?

If we want a real Right president, we'll have to elect one. Trump isn't that president, but he's buying us time to find that man.

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