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Friday, March 08, 2019

Captain Marvel fails to impress


To absolutely no one's surprise, Captain Marvel isn't very good. If only they had thought of blaming Representative Omar!

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Blogger Desdichado March 08, 2019 1:04 PM  

The Rotten Tomatoes critics score is 81%. The audience score is in the low 30s. It's been a little up and down as more and more people put in their scores, but it bottomed out at 31%.

I'm pretty sure that's way worse than even The Last Jedi got.

Blogger Justin Bailey March 08, 2019 1:07 PM  

Rotten Tomatoes is using creative accounting to prop up Captain Marvel. There are 2.5/5 star reviews that they are counting as Fresh, despite the same score being Rotten for other films. The narrative must not fail!

Blogger Jeroth March 08, 2019 1:08 PM  

They'll just do what they always do and blame it on "trolls" or Russian bots.

Blogger nbfdmd March 08, 2019 1:11 PM  

@4: I miss the days when women hadn't yet discovered the internet...

Blogger Xiety March 08, 2019 1:16 PM  

The Boston Globe's review sets us straight:
"In fact, without in the least playing like an agenda-driven blockbuster, Captain Marvel posits that female superheroes don’t have time for bullroar and might just be better at taking care of business."

Blogger Azimus March 08, 2019 1:16 PM  

Is it theoretically possible there is a way a female superhero movie could impress? Is this a "packing politics into entertainment" problem or is it a structural problem where it just can't happen with a female? Or is it something else?

Blogger Nate73 March 08, 2019 1:20 PM  

What excuse did RT come up with for disabling the want to watch feature or whichever it was?

Blogger S1AL March 08, 2019 1:20 PM  

"Is it theoretically possible there is a way a female superhero movie could impress?"

Sure, just like any good movie with a female lead. Superhero movies aren't good or bad because of the superhero aspects, they're good or bad because of the story.

Blogger Chuck Finley March 08, 2019 1:24 PM  

Azimus wrote:Is it theoretically possible there is a way a female superhero movie could impress? Is this a "packing politics into entertainment" problem or is it a structural problem where it just can't happen with a female? Or is it something else?

Wonder Woman was pretty decent. Sure it had an agenda, but it was more subtle in its delivery. Of course I think we'll see much better things when Arkhaven starts churning out movies.

Blogger MichaelJMaier March 08, 2019 1:25 PM  

It was boring and had no dramatic tension. And did a number of stupid things. Like making the Skrulls into Palestinians.

Blogger Rebel Skate March 08, 2019 1:26 PM  

Female superhero movies can work. Wonder Woman was very successful. The latest drama is just because its a bad movie no different than Ghostbusters. They are playing up the womyn good / men bad angle as an excuse for the bad reviews.
If you can think of a better way to recoup the money already spent on this turd of a movie I'm sure the studios would love to hear it.

Blogger MichaelJMaier March 08, 2019 1:28 PM  

I was bored and hated the lack of dramatic tension in WONDER WOMAN too. Prequels suck when the audience knows anyone they might care about CANNOT die.

Blogger Lance E March 08, 2019 1:35 PM  

Azimus wrote:Is it theoretically possible there is a way a female superhero movie could impress? Is this a "packing politics into entertainment" problem or is it a structural problem where it just can't happen with a female? Or is it something else?

It depends on whether the female character is actually a female character, or a man with tits.

I haven't seen it, but the Battle Angel movie has gotten praise from a few people on our side of the cultural divide.

Blogger Blaidd March 08, 2019 1:42 PM  

What excuse did RT come up with for disabling the want to watch feature or whichever it was?

"Trolls" were using the site as intended.

Blogger maniacprovost March 08, 2019 1:43 PM  

Of course, liberal nerd rag Ars Technica hails Captain Marvel as the best MCU movie ever. The desperation isn't quite overwhelming yet, though.

Blogger Athelstane March 08, 2019 1:43 PM  

It might still have a decent opening weekend. It might even make its budget back.

But given how tepid the reviews are - and really, once you read many of these "fresh" reviews," this has to be the weakest 81% I've seen at RT - it's fairly clear that this won't have the legs that BLACK PANTHER did. After the die-hard MCU fans and SJWs have gone and word of mouth spreads, I expect a rapid fade-off. It may clear Ant-Man territory thanks to the marketing barrage, but I'd be surprised if it does much more.

Blogger Bobik March 08, 2019 1:47 PM  

It is because Disney ruins everything it touches. At least since lion king.

Blogger Jimmy March 08, 2019 1:49 PM  

All the potential none of the payoff.
And how is this a feminist movie? Given cosmic power by the Patriarchal-religious fundamentalist-space communists, to fight the matriarchal-shape shifting-space fascists. (The skrulls are bedeviled to have started hydra). So much potential. Ball dropped.

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 1:49 PM  

In the news it is being boycotted. True to an extent I suppose but also the excuse for low early turnout.

Over at Rotten Tomatoes it is currently a 36% like audience score, which is pretty terrible. The thing has got to be not just not good but pretty terrible for that kind of score.

Blogger Athelstane March 08, 2019 1:51 PM  

@Desdichado

It's been a little up and down as more and more people put in their scores, but it bottomed out at 31%.

31% on RT, and only 2.7 for User Reviews on Metacritic. Yikes.

I'm open to the probability that there's major brigading going on, but I'd still bet that the "true" audience scores would still struggle to break past the 50% point.

Blogger Scire March 08, 2019 1:51 PM  

@13

What does death mean in comic books? after they brought Bucky back anyone is fair game. include half the population of the galaxy apparently.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 1:51 PM  

Wonder Woman was pretty decent. Sure it had an agenda, but it was more subtle in its delivery. Of course I think we'll see much better things when Arkhaven starts churning out movies.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie, TV show, graphic novels did very well. Agenda driven sure, but the characters had faults and were relatable. The season 5 and onward arch with Buffy being upset to have been plucked from heaven was handled really well.

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 1:54 PM  

The local paper had a full page spread advertising the movie. If you are really concerned with long term attendance you don't push stuff like this. Apparently it is about as bad as some here have imagined.

Blogger urthshu March 08, 2019 1:54 PM  

I could see something like The Shadow as a female lead. Ymmv

Blogger Ranger March 08, 2019 1:59 PM  

The movie is below average as entertainment for a marvel movie, and a lot of the feminist messaging goes over the head of normies. It is amusing to see how they had to push all the "bad sexism" she suffered to the "horribly" sexist 80s, when most of the movie audience was either not born or very young, and they can be taught that things were horrible for women "way back then". It would simply not be believable if it were contemporary.

That said, as entertainment goes, it is still a bit better than the usual contemporary hollywood trash.

Blogger Sean March 08, 2019 2:01 PM  

The Headline on Slate is pretty funny "Finally, Women Have Their Own Mediocre Marvel Movie"

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-review-brie-larson-movie.html

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 08, 2019 2:04 PM  

Today's writers are so invested in the Strong Female Character that they forget she needs to have an actual character. They assume the audience will love her and cheer for her just because she's an SFC. With a male lead, they don't have that attachment, so they realize they need to give him a character with flaws and weaknesses so the audience can like him. But with the SFC, you're supposed to like her *because* she has no real flaws.

So to make it work, they need to make her a real woman. Wonder Woman did that, at least to some extent, and it did well. Problem is, the more she's like a woman, the more it doesn't push the gender-bending narrative they made the movie for in the first place. In the RLM review of Supergirl from the 80s or 90s, they joke about how she likes bunnies and gossip, but at least that established her as female. They can't do that anymore.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 08, 2019 2:09 PM  

The thing about brigading as an excuse is that there's nothing to stop fans of a movie, or people who support it for ideological reasons, to do their own brigading in the positive direction. If people like a movie and/or it's important to them, they will hit those sites and counter the "trolls." They did it very well for Black Panther. But when even the people who support the movie are having to fake their enthusiasm for it, as with this one or Ghostbusterettes, not enough people are willing to put in that kind of effort. It's easier to whine about it.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 2:09 PM  

TMS is hilarious.

https://www.themarysue.com/captain-marvel-soundtrack-girl-power-90s/

>Overall, the movie does a great job of serving us a beautiful character and maintaining her charm throughout the film. The soundtrack is just a bonus for us who grew up in the ’90s, and is introducing the songs to the next generation. To be quite honest, I can’t wait to see little kids screaming No Doubt songs while running around.

Last time I heard kids screaming slogans it was summer and they wanted the wall built.

Blogger Desdichado March 08, 2019 2:18 PM  

Scire wrote:@13What does death mean in comic books? after they brought Bucky back anyone is fair game. include half the population of the galaxy apparently.
Uncle Ben is the only comic book character who's guaranteed to stay dead.

Blogger Desdichado March 08, 2019 2:20 PM  

Athelstane wrote:31% on RT, and only 2.7 for User Reviews on Metacritic. Yikes.

I'm open to the probability that there's major brigading going on, but I'd still bet that the "true" audience scores would still struggle to break past the 50% point.

It's up to 36% now. Based on just under 4,300 user rankings.

Curiously, when I screengrabbed it earlier this morning, it was at 32% based on over 55,000 user rankings. Curiouser and curiouser.

Blogger NO GOOGLES March 08, 2019 2:30 PM  

Battle Angel Alita >>> Captain Marvel. The eye thing with Alita was a little weird but you don't even notice it after a bit.

You know Hollyweird is in full force when you have to go to the Japs for normalcy.

Blogger camcleat March 08, 2019 2:36 PM  

@16

"It might still have a decent opening weekend. It might even make its budget back."

I'm betting it won't make it's true budget back. That is, the published "budget" of a movie is an approximate production budget, not counting marketing and distribution costs. The published budget may even be low for production costs.

The general rule of thumb is to double the published budget to find the point where a movie has to actually turn a profit. For CM, that's what, about $350 million or thereabouts?

Should be a no-brainer for a MCU movie. For this one? It is in question.

After all, no one 10 years ago thought a Star Wars branded movie wouldn't turn a profit, but Solo managed it last year. MCU is not immune.

Blogger VFM Bear March 08, 2019 2:55 PM  

Huh, the Google doodle just reminded me that today is international women's day, in addition to premiere day for captain marvel. What a coincidink.

May everyone involved with both of these come down with ass cancer.

Blogger Athelstane March 08, 2019 2:55 PM  

A friend of mine was forced to see it last night. "I don't want this person to have superpowers. She doesn't have what it takes to use them. She's why the Sokovia Accords were created."

Blogger Athelstane March 08, 2019 2:58 PM  

@Desdichado:

It's up to 36% now. Based on just under 4,300 user rankings. Curiously, when I screengrabbed it earlier this morning, it was at 32% based on over 55,000 user rankings. Curiouser and curiouser.

Yeah, I see that now (now 4,567 user rankings), and yes, that is very curious.

Blogger Athelstane March 08, 2019 3:01 PM  

@Camcleat:

I'm betting it won't make it's true budget back.

You may well be right, and therein hangs a tale.

You're quite right about the . . . opacity of big movie budgets, which employ some of the most creative accountants in North America. Publicly, they end up being what the studio needs them to be. And for a tentpole flick like this, the marketing can easily exceed the actual cost of making the movie. And Lord knows, Captain Marvel has been spending a lot of cash on marketing, even by MCU standards.

I suspect that Marvel would rather end up nominally in the red by advertising this thing to the hilt, than lose face by cutting bait.

Blogger Dr Caveman March 08, 2019 3:07 PM  

Half of the theater in my area has been reserved to show this monstrosity, yet when I got there to watch Alita last night, there was hardly anyone

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 3:09 PM  

Half of the theater in my area has been reserved to show this monstrosity, yet when I got there to watch Alita last night, there was hardly anyone

I went to another movie a couple weeks ago and the lineup for the people waiting to see Alita went around the block. Is it that good?

Blogger SemiSpook37 March 08, 2019 3:11 PM  

Among the "top" critics on RT, they have it in at 65%. Sounds like the PR folks at Disney are stretching a little too hard on this one.

Blogger Dr Caveman March 08, 2019 3:18 PM  

@39 I was entertained throughout, though it is not mind blowing. And it looks like the starting episode of a franchise. I'll definitely go see the next installment

Blogger WillBest March 08, 2019 3:28 PM  

There must be something about vampire movies that prevent Blade, Buffy, and Underworld from getting their due in the SJW cred department. Maybe because they were made without all the virtue signaling.

It is because Disney ruins everything it touches. At least since lion king.

Disney didn't ruin Ms. Marvel. She has been DOA since she was created. Fox owns all the Marvel females worth a damn. They might as well made this movie about Squirrel Girl.

Uncle Ben is the only comic book character who's guaranteed to stay dead.

He comes back in dream/vision quest cameos a couple times.

I suspect that Marvel would rather end up nominally in the red by advertising this thing to the hilt, than lose face by cutting bait.

There is no chance this movie ends in the red. Even if its global box is slightly below, it will make it up on DVD and stream sales.

Blogger Coyotewise March 08, 2019 3:31 PM  

@22
what made Buffy work was that she was a girly-girl at heart, so she was still very feminine despite the powers she inherited. SM Gellar nailed that aspect. Also, Cordelia, Spike and Zander were all really well written and performed and brought the funny.
Since then every heroine (and female detective, cop, soldier, politician, doctor, etc.) have been male archetypes shoved inside girlskin. In other words SFCs are really just transexuals anymore.

Blogger Zander Stander March 08, 2019 4:20 PM  

Notice how the critic's score on Rotten Tomatoes is usually the inverse of the audience score? I use this regularly as a heuristic to choose what I watch.

Blogger owlish March 08, 2019 4:26 PM  

Captain Marvel might or might not make a profit. The real question is, does the movie get people excited enough that she can be a big part of the next Avengers movie, and then carry the franchise without the Chris's and Downey Jr? Signs point to no.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz March 08, 2019 4:27 PM  

It was manga movie. With the original manga written 30 years ago. Like watching good old "Firestarter".

Blogger Nate March 08, 2019 4:31 PM  

that fact that it scored so low on the pro-side is shocking.

Blogger Nate March 08, 2019 4:31 PM  

I mean generally if a movie has pro review score below 70 I almost always want to go see it because I know it will actually be fun.

Blogger Wolfman March 08, 2019 4:36 PM  

Doomcock gives an update on the Rotten Tomatoes score.
(Deleted 50k negative reviews)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmYcXHbVcY4

Blogger tublecane March 08, 2019 4:43 PM  

@6- There are plenty of readymade historical and mythological heroines out of which you could make a movie. Joan of Arc, Artemis, Athena, Boudica, Annie Oakley, "Molly Pitcher," and so on.

Blogger S1AL March 08, 2019 4:47 PM  

"I mean generally if a movie has pro review score below 70 I almost always want to go see it because I know it will actually be fun."

Only if the fan side is 70+.

Blogger Noah B. March 08, 2019 4:47 PM  

Someday AI will free humanity of the tedious task of watching Hollywood's movies.

Blogger Matt March 08, 2019 4:57 PM  

I hate myself, so I'll probably end up going to see it.

Blogger Garuna March 08, 2019 5:04 PM  

Captain Marvel must hit these numbers to be considered a success:

OPENING WEEKEND: $150mil
TOTAL DOMESTIC: $450mil
TOTAL WORLDWIDE: $800mil

The first two numbers are Disney's rumored expectations. The third number is the amount an average Marvel movie worldwide grosses nowadays. At about $600mil worldwide, Ant-Man & Wasp was considered a disappointment that may, as a result, never get a sequel.

According to BoxOfficeMojo, Captain Marvel is currently on track for a $135mil-$175mil opening. So we don't know yet if it is underperforming or not.

For the next weekend, a weekend drop of 50-55% is normal for Marvel. 60-65% is a bad drop. Some people were sounding the alarm when Ant-Man & Wasp dropped 61% in its second weekend. 65-70% would be a catastrophic drop encroaching into "worst drops ever" territory.

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 5:07 PM  

Nate wrote:I mean generally if a movie has pro review score below 70 I almost always want to go see it because I know it will actually be fun.

Amen. See also Baytown Outlaws. My guess, however, is that Captain Marvel cloaked any of its fun badthink in shameless genx/90s nostalgia. Almost all Disney tentpole pictures are Trojan horses, rather than open S(tar)JW(ars) disasters. So...enough to get it partially de-listed by the critics, enough to partially appease the regular folk fed up with the Narrative, but ultimately neither fish nor foul, just another vessel in the process of destruction.

In other words, it isn't like you can't have a black guy and a leading women as your main characters in a superhero movie...but if you do (and the black guy was originally a white WWII vet and the woman was original a blonde man)...then it isn't a question of plot. It is a question of character, and making sure that none of the traditional characters ever resemble a white man.

It is the Iron Eyes Cody approach to the great white hero. "See? An Italian is more Native than Natives! He cries a single tear!"

Blogger Garuna March 08, 2019 5:09 PM  

From what I'm seeing all over social media and from friends, the word of mouth for Captain Marvel is "meh". Not good. Marvel's word of mouth usually ranges from "I loved it" to "it was fun". Even the Ant-Man movies weren't this mediocre-ly received.

Blogger JAG March 08, 2019 5:12 PM  

Wolfman at Large wrote:Doomcock gives an update on the Rotten Tomatoes score.

(Deleted 50k negative reviews)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmYcXHbVcY4


One could conclude that the audience score was down into the 20's range. Perhaps RT has a secret policy of not letting it fall below 30 no matter how many deletions it takes.

How far are we from converged sites like RT simply stating that Captain Bitch-face has a 100% score from both critics as well as audiences?

Blogger Garuna March 08, 2019 5:21 PM  

I hate myself, so I'll probably end up going to see it.

You shouldn't.

I'm a film buff and the last two years of Hollywood has even broken my love for movies. There's only so many explicit and implicit "Orange Man Bad" lectures you can sit through. From "Trump is David Duke" in Spike Lee's latest shitfest to "Nasty Woman" in Jurassic World 2 to "Only fools build walls. Smart boys build bridges" in Black Panther.

Have some mercy on your brain and watch foreign films. The Koreans for example make some great thrillers.

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 08, 2019 5:30 PM  

Captain Marvel opened?

Blogger Garuna March 08, 2019 5:34 PM  

In just the past few minutes, Rotten Tomatoes' audience score has dropped from 37% off 5000+ reviews down to 34% off 9000+ reviews.

Yeah, they're gonna have to go to SHUTITDOWN DEFCON 1 to prevent Captain Marvel from falling in the 20% range if not the 10% range.

Blogger Garuna March 08, 2019 5:37 PM  

Since I last posted. It jumped another 1000 audience votes to 10,650 votes. It seems the chicanery has only energized the anti-SJWs.

Blogger Living in a Fallen World March 08, 2019 5:49 PM  

Listen to all you bigots. Clearly, we need a new law, mandating the purchase of tickets.

Maybe instead of just having a required reading list in school we can push for a required watching list. That way every public school student's "per head" cost can include the price of a ticket.

Blogger Jon D. March 08, 2019 5:52 PM  

I liked how the moral of the story was the immigrant Skrulls can't stay here. They have to go back.

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 5:55 PM  

The big deal for a bad movie is the fall off. Given the push to get people to see this thing the first weekend should be not to bad. If the reviews reflect reality the next weeks fall of will be big time.

Blogger Dr Caveman March 08, 2019 6:02 PM  

All the cinemas here in Chicago have reserved about 1/3rd to 1/2 of their total capacity to show Captain Marvel. Is this a factor that would drive up the costs and reduce the profitability for the studio, or do the cinemas themselves decide how often a movie is shown?

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 6:03 PM  

>>I'm a film buff and the last two years of Hollywood has even broken my love for movies.

I thought it was just me. I struggle to find a movie that I will enjoy. How many sound and light show Marvel movies that signify nothing can you see without losing interest? Apparently I have seen enough.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 6:07 PM  

The 21 minute proof of concept video for Star Trek Axanar posted yesterday by someone was amazing. I highly suggest checking it out on YT. An Easter egg is in it if you like teamwork with people like yourself. Idk about anyone else but that short video made my year.

Blogger Trebor Nosemaj March 08, 2019 6:09 PM  

I think it could work if it played to a caricature of female traits, a type of catwomanesque cunning, a black widow type female villain playing some powerful male, or even the heroine adopting villainous traits as a strategy, double agent style. It wouldn't replace the dynamics of a male superhero, but could be compelling in a different way. While it may not fly for the heroine to be the mothering/nurturing type, she could fight against an injustice of a sister whose family was sinned against, or she herself is estranged from a kid by way of the State (a la T2). The funny thing is women would probably hate it if female traits and strategy/tactics were exaggerated and brought to light. Men on the other hand couldn't give two s$its how their gender is portrayed in Superhero movies

Blogger English Tom March 08, 2019 6:09 PM  

@Tublecane

You forgot to include Mother Theresa!

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 6:11 PM  

Dr Caveman wrote:do the cinemas themselves decide how often a movie is shown?

They may have some ability to influence the number of theaters for an opening, but the studio makes money from a cut on the ticket sales. And the cut is bigger early on. Most of the studio money is usually earned in the new release period.

Blogger English Tom March 08, 2019 6:12 PM  

@Garuna

Concur Re Korean films. Also some really good Spanish films: sleep tight, cell 211, etc.

Blogger tuberman March 08, 2019 6:14 PM  

Representative Omar is Inderesting, going immediately for the throat/power grab. She knows they are controlled puppets, and powerless to reign her in, so, being a Muzzy she goes after their Black Fag/Perv, BHO. Funny!

Blogger Spud March 08, 2019 6:32 PM  

It seems as though the user scores have vanished. Same Metascore of 65, but only "No reviews yet." for the user score. I'm sure it just needs a little re-education. It will be back shortly.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 08, 2019 6:35 PM  

I thought Wonder Woman was actually pretty good. I guess Marvel figured they had to outdo DC in the SJW stakes.

Blogger North March 08, 2019 6:45 PM  

Im watching it now.

Within 3 minutes she challenges a superior fighter who then calls her out when she is bested and her response is a classic gamma excuse, "I slipped", a lie which her opponent calls out, and which she doubles down on. The whle scene wrapped up in how she is just not allowed to use her power. Im thinking its the "patriarchy holding her back" metaphor.

Theme stated at 5 minutes: "What is the point of these powers if you dont want me to use them." I'm getting the feeling this is the whole movie, that if girls can break free of the patriarchy they are super powerful, more powerful than men.

At 7 minutes while speaking to the supreme intelligence: "I already know how to use my powers."

Her character flaw seems to be impetuous daring. Not much of a flaw. She is like Maverick. Goose is gonna die at the end of act 2. Is this just Top Gun?

At 8 minutes, in a scene meant to demonstrate comradery among her team, she flirtatiously negs the black guy on the team. Why is a Kree black? Do you need to be more diverse than blue? Why not paint the black guy blue? He is then flirted with by a male team member while doing a very obvious rip off of the character of Drax from Guardians.

So far this is max Mary Sue. Feels alot like Rey.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 08, 2019 6:48 PM  

From what I'm seeing all over social media and from friends, the word of mouth for Captain Marvel is "meh".

The Red Letter Media subreddit attracts quite a few people who would rather poke themselves in the eye than agree with the "angry manchildren" about a movie. You can tell they don't want to bash this movie for that reason, and even they can't work up much more than "meh." A common report is that it's okay, but possibly the worst of the Marvel movies.

Blogger Silent Draco March 08, 2019 6:52 PM  

North ... gaah. Thanks for taking one for the team. NOT interested in seeing this.

See if she starts singing "Let It Go" at around minute 25.

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 6:54 PM  

People self select for the kind of movie they like. A reasonable rule of thumb is that if a film can't get to a 70 audience approval it probably should not have been made.

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 6:57 PM  

OT: Is David French at National Review reading Vox?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/before-trump-what-did-conservatism-conserve/

Blogger North March 08, 2019 7:00 PM  

Wonder woman was a good movie. Off the top of my head:

The themes were naivete and "is the fallen world worth saving". Wonder Woman was kept innocent on the island by her mom.

The B Story was her worldly love interest Chris Pine and his jaded friends. He shows her the synthesis that leads to the finale by sacrificing his life for the fallen world proving the world was worth it if good guys like that will still sell their life for it.

You can see how DC very obviously toned down the feminism and also an exploration of the naivete theme in the fantastic ice cream scene. In the cartoon version it is played as a feminist scene and it sucks unbearably. In the movie it is used to showcase Gal Gadot's charming smile and is a perfect characterization vehicle.

Also, often missing from bad superhero movies is a coming into your powers scene in the beginning of the second act. Man of Steel had the oil rig scene and the learning to fly scene. Wonder Woman had the charging from the trenches scene and it was awesome. It showed her ideals vs her companions ideals. It showed the limits of her powers at that point. It showcased her leadership, a main trait of superwoman. It had dramatic irony because the audience knew she was powerful but her companions didnt. And it was a visual spectacle to see her shield vs a machine gun.

Ive heard Captain Marvel does not have this scene, will find out soon. Im 11 minutes in to CM and just learned she is also a navy seal as they just did a rise from the water with your crew and pull sniper duty scene straight out of GI Jane or Act of Valor.

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 7:03 PM  

@79

Ooops. Posted before reading. Nothing to see, just a cuck.

Blogger Jimmy March 08, 2019 7:11 PM  

Was it just me or did the Supreme Intelligence look a bit like Hillary Clinton?

Blogger North March 08, 2019 7:22 PM  

Wonderwoman cartoon icecream scene (revolting) "outta the way bimbo!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXPfTsAuPUU

Wonder woman film ice cream scene (delightful) "you should be very proud."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQpzxLhRthA



Blogger North March 08, 2019 7:35 PM  

Wonderwoman Machine gun shield scene, a coming into your powers scene. Her first fight against modern weapons. Notice how she cant defeat the bad guys without her teams help.

Also, Hollywood thinks explosions are emotionally not chemically produced, in this case hand grenades explode larger than mortars because the heroes believe in them more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCgeOAKXyg

Blogger Lovekraft March 08, 2019 7:43 PM  

I heard Hole's music is featured in the s/t. Hmm Courtney Love, such a bastion of positive 90s memories.

Couple of things came to mind there: she had all her hits written by her husband, and she starred in a movie that showed Larry Flynt in a positive light.

Blogger MightyKevster March 08, 2019 7:53 PM  

Disney is villifying the 1980's because they desperately want to carry forward the '1950's evil patriarchy' narrative to a new market. I love seeing the backlash that confirms how miserable the feminist narrative plays with younger generations.

Blogger tublecane March 08, 2019 7:55 PM  

@84- I can't think of any great action sequence in a movie being determined by emotion. Star Wars comes close here and there, because how you use the force is closely tied to your emotional state.

On the other hand, take the shootout in Heat. There are of course emotions involved, because these are pretend-people. But the sequence is driven by the physical action. Val Kilmer isn't rescued by Robert DeNiro due to the love in his heart. It's his skill and equipment, sense of direction, the location of his pursuers, and getting lucky with what was available.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 08, 2019 8:19 PM  

Trump will get the blame.
And people who have penises. They will get blamed too.

Blogger North March 08, 2019 8:22 PM  

@84 I meant the force of the explosion is controlled by emotion, maybe I should have said controlled by plot. In this case, German mortars look like mortars and British hand grenades look like giant orange petrol fireballs.

First emotion controlled weapon that comes to mind is Lantern Rings.

The sequel to Heat is just a fat Kilmer (as himself) with Gun Jesus shooting large caliber battle rifles for 2 hours, until the last minute where we discover he is the good guy cause he ate actual Robert DeNiro.

Anonymous Anonymous March 08, 2019 8:45 PM  

Any female superhero based on truth would hate weak men. They may was well be guilty.

Anonymous Anonymous March 08, 2019 9:10 PM  

Subvert the subversion.

Blogger Matt March 08, 2019 9:51 PM  

Rey is at least cutely feminine. You feel like you'd like her if you meet her. Captain Marvel you'd cross the street to avoid.

Blogger eclecticme March 08, 2019 10:14 PM  

Here is a sarcastic movie pre-review. Very funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-e5bptEFIM

Blogger Ransom Smith March 08, 2019 10:23 PM  

Fox owns all the Marvel females worth a damn.
You misspelled Sony.
They own all the Spider Man characters, and among them, Felicia Hardy.

Blogger Gen. Kong March 08, 2019 10:37 PM  

If only they had thought of blaming Representative Omar!

Not to worry, for the Chief Ho of Massa Soros' Hijab-Harem not only has criticized the non-existent lobby which cannot be named, but even D'Won Housnigga Hussein himself in her latest twist around the intestinal tracts (the Chitterlings and Tripe Sektor) of Clown World.

Clown World is very much like a topsy-turvy funhouse mirror turned into a kind of perverse reality. Here a fake Musloid (real Musloids wouldn't let a female run for office) bankrolled by the Ultimate Jew is the only one with the nerve to mention not only (((who))) provides the Benjis (not to mention Walnut Sauce and many other fringe-benefits) to the utter degenerates holding office (especially Gay Old Pedobears, who screech like monkeys upon command from NeoPals) but even spoke of the Magic Negro in a less than worshipful manner. SJWs everywhere will soon cry out in pain along with David French as they blame it all on YT Rayciss.

Blogger Jay in DC March 08, 2019 10:47 PM  

@75 I hope that means you are watching an already pirated shitty Cam rip copy. Otherwise, why the fuck are you feeding the beast by throwing cash at this turd?

Cucks gonna cuck, have to get your capeshit fix, innit? Even when it is LITERAL shit?

Blogger Living in a Fallen World March 08, 2019 10:49 PM  

hahaha, that audience score is just climbing and climbing after the purge. It's up to 46%. The bloody war is measured in tomatoes.

Blogger MichaelJMaier March 09, 2019 12:39 AM  

ROTTEN TOMATOES won't let me post a review of CAPTAIN MARVEL. The site sucks anyway but this is pathetic.

Blogger The Deuce March 09, 2019 1:22 AM  

Saw it on bootleg. Meh.

Blogger DeepThought March 09, 2019 2:41 AM  

Predicted Box Office is 100 Million US. Soy Boys ruin everything.

Blogger sammibandit March 09, 2019 4:27 AM  

>Any female superhero based on truth would hate weak men. They may was well be guilty.

Jonathan in Buffy. What a gamma.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz March 09, 2019 4:31 AM  

I Judy saw an Indian infantry in London... Never happened.
Thanks for the warning, due to the earlier comments I almost borrowed this WW flick.

Blogger North March 09, 2019 5:10 AM  

@102

Here's a picture of an Indian soldier in london in WW1

https://tinyurl.com/yxm47vtk

Blogger InformationMerchant March 09, 2019 6:45 AM  

Getting towards CW wokeness but still slightly more subtle.

Endgame trended at the same time as Captain Marvel trended, as if the reminder that this is the most propped up individual movie was needed. I don't think it's possible for a movie to have more help than this one, unlike several other Marvel movies which have the potential to surprise people with their existence.

Spoilers will follow.

I only had one positive expectation for this movie and it still managed to disappoint me. Phil Coulson having "permanently" died twice in the MCU could be brought back because this is a prequel and neither of his deaths had happened yet. The character had about 30 seconds of screen time, the actor had a couple of minutes.

I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. His TV show (Marvel's Agents of Shield) went from 3 white men, 1 white women, 1 asian woman and 1 half white-half asian woman to 1 black man, 1 white women, 1 Mexican woman, 1 asian woman and 1 half white half asian woman. There is little room for white men in diverse movies, even in the role of a lowly grunt. Of course, the casting of a white man in a major role completely spoils the twist of the movie because there is one role for white men in diverse movies.


This movie retconned/semi-retconned a couple of things. Nick Fury's eye was changed from Captain America The Winter Soldier's explanation to Captain Marvel's explanation. Naturally losing an eye in a respectable way was denied him as he isn't the badass black man of a white man dominated movie, he is the bumbling white man of a woman dominated movie. John C Wright's commentary on the black stormtrooper from Star Wars makes for a solid base for a model of what diverse movies of the future will look like. White men play bad guys, black men will play the incompetent white dad role, women will play the hero role.

The retcon itself undoing The Winter Soldier wouldn't go over badly if it wasn't as pathetic as it is. The other thing that was probably added to give more weight to Captain Marvel is the tesseract. Captain America the First Avenger already covered the tesseract. It was given huge importance, it was a big deal. Captain Marvel adds some history. After recovering the tesseract from Captain America's crash site, apparently SHIELD put down the ultimate nazi weapon and forgot about it.

Blogger InformationMerchant March 09, 2019 6:45 AM  

2/2 Major Spoilers will follow:


As far as wokeness goes, from when Earth is featured we have Feminism. Oppressed chicks in the air force showing the men how to fly, bonus woke point for one of them being black. We quickly reach the point where it is established that green guys that shapeshift into white guys will try to kill you, in their natural green forms they are just refugees that must be helped.

Black man, black woman, white supergirl and the green people continue on their quest after black woman (single mother) is convinced by black child that motherhood isn't important and thus should be ignored in favor of extremely dangerous life risking missions for the good of refugees. Somehow the movie makes it sound way more dangerous than it should be and has just shown the black child being used as a hostage by the refugees her mother is supposed to risk her life for.

Black man, black woman, white supergirl and green people are vindicated in their mission to help refugees, Nick Fury is reduced to relying on a cat to protect him, the dastardly villains get completely defeated.

"Defeated" is the wrong word for what happens. "Defeated" implies some sort of battle. What we get is something akin to the moment in Thor Ragnarok when Thor's power is unleashed. (This is the closest thing to what @80 was talking about.) Apparently Supergirl is way more super than Supergirl despite her origin and unlikely source of her power. There is no fight between SuperSupergirl and the main villain of the movie. He challenges her to a fight, but she just shoots him. 0 punches thrown, the fight at the climax of the movie just doesn't happen.

Fortunately, the main villain of the movie knew he couldn't best SuperSuperGirl and called in a nuclear strike to destroy Earth, SuperSuperGirl is too strong for that. Again, defeat implies some sort of battle, there was no battle here. There is more chance of a 3 year old winning a heavyweight boxing match than SuperSuperGirl being harmed by the main movie villain or the nukes he calls down onto his own position.

At the end of the movie, Captain Marvel is leaving and thus Nick Fury's punishment of loss of screentime is over. Nick Fury not being able to be trusted with his own pager despite the green men that tried to kill her totally being able to be trusted isn't the most consistent reason for her confiscating it, but Nick Fury being treated like a child is not the most emasculating thing that happens to him in this movie.

Despite all of this, it isn't the most overtly woke movie. It's just bad with very few redeeming features if any. There are plenty of comic book movies/tv shows that are more woke but suck way less.

Blogger Roger Hill March 09, 2019 7:39 AM  

"Is it theoretically possible there is a way a female superhero movie could impress?"
Although not a superhero, Ripley in the two "Alien" movies I've seen is a female hero who seemed to hit all the right buttons, at least to me. Of course the script was not written as "Women are good, strong and smart, while men are evil, weak and stupid". The first film had what amounted to a male villain in the form of a company executive, but the conflict was not set in sexist tones. In the second film, there was certainly a male foil (one of the soldiers who couldn't control his emotions) but even here the character did not come across as being flawed by being a man. And Ripley clearly displayed the feminine trait of nurturing and protecting the orphan child. The character worked well because she was a woman doing extraordinary things without being masculine.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 09, 2019 8:10 AM  

Never cared for omnipotent heroes, what a waste of time. I know it wouldn't sell but I would have thought having an origin story for the valkyrie from Thor Raganarok would have been more entertaining than super vag girl.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 09, 2019 8:13 AM  

And lastly I read a rumor that super feminist hero actress of super girlllll power movie had to have a butt double because she has no ass.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 09, 2019 8:48 AM  

That's true, Mantra Man. No ass whatsoever. It's like she's never squatted one rep in her life.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 09, 2019 9:05 AM  

Despite all of this, it isn't the most overtly woke movie.

For someone like me who hasn't watched a new movie in over a decade, it's amazing how fast and far that line has moved. I'll be reading a discussion of a new movie (I'm interested in what they're doing to the culture, just not in watching them), and people will say it's refreshing that New Movie doesn't really have any political stuff in it. Then someone will mention that the hero has to be saved multiple times by his love interest, who can kick his ass. The men are incompetent if white and comedic if black, while women make the decisions and save the day. There's gay stuff going on in the background, if not the foreground. The villain has orange hair.

I'm left to wonder if they don't want to admit they see it because they don't want to be labeled angry alt-righters, or if they really don't see it because they've been soaking in it.

Blogger Lovekraft March 09, 2019 9:17 AM  

Whites who aren't on the left patiently (understatement of the century) for Hollywood to change their tune, especially after the Obama years unleashed massive hate against whites.

We thought, maybe the portrayal of whites as broken or evil will be seen as a metaphor by the left; that these are stories that apply to every race, gender etc.

No. I've completely lost this concession and believe, based on a regular output of Sorosian hate, that the left thrives on this false narrative. We must continue to point out the blatant lies and hypocrisy.

Captain Marvel is another in a long line of White Demonization Propaganda.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 09, 2019 11:02 AM  

We should appreciate the left and their idiotic and pathetic anti-white hate, we are being forced to mature and being forced to mature takes away from the influences of the likes of Ben Shapiro, George Will who fake playing the grown ups.

Sure we can have the usual alt-retard fits or the vain virtue signaling of dim women but even that is being taken away and forcing us to mature.

Blogger Maniac March 09, 2019 2:06 PM  

"The Headline on Slate is pretty funny "'Finally, Women Have Their Own Mediocre Marvel Movie'

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-review-brie-larson-movie.html"

When even a Leftie fag-rag calls you out, well...

Blogger North March 09, 2019 3:03 PM  

@104 and @105 Good take.

The only part of this movie i liked was when Coulson in the car is actually a Kree. They spent 100 million plus and got 30 seconds of good movie.

Faultless white female with no character arc, Bumbling colored mentor who isnt/B Story love who doesnt stick it or die, and tricky white man villian who isnt powerful or sinister just dumb and ignorable is the formula.

This movie is missing gigantic plot points, here's two.

First, Mar Vel's death is not enough to bring a moment of despair at the end of the third act. Annette Benning's double role sucks. This movie could have been supercharged by having Captain Marvel's impetuous behaviour cause the death of either her black pilot friend or the Kree/Palestinian refugee guy. And her learning from that to be able to beat the bad guys. Instead we got a no tension movie. There is no movie here. There are no stakes. When Bruce Wayne falls in Batman Begins at least he broke his leg. Nothing breaks in this movie. Even her memory loss isnt used as an obstacle to relating to the cultural references. And its a plot selective memory loss so the "finding yourself" theme they try to push has no weight. Human Carol Danvers at one point literally crashes an experimental plane from orbit and hops out with no effect and nice hair.

Also, they never offer a scene to create sympathy for the Hero. Maybe they intended the "i hate men and love my black wingwoman" scene to do that but it doesnt work. Bitch, you are flying a multimillion dollar jet for free and you are complaining its not the best jet or not a dangerous enough mission? But wait, you are actually flying the most advanced jet in the solar system with an alien on a mission out of a top secret military base. How are you underserved as a female pilot?


Let me offer a good movie to Vox and readers. Go watch Gosnell (2018) and read about how they funded it and the real story. I doubt, Vox, you will be surprised with the adventures in crowdfunding but you should be aware of this movie.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3722234/?ref_=nv_sr_1

While not an excellent movie it is very watchable and emotionally powerful. There are quite a few enjoyable performances including alot of the supporting cast. I thought the juror reactions in the scene towards the end with the new evidence were good acting, a risky use of an extended reaction shot and a solid choice about whether to show the evidence. Dean Cain is a little hit and miss but where he hits he is quite good. It has a CivNat tang I dont enjoy. It is difficult to write a true story especially if it occurs half in a courthouse and still hit the points and hold tension and with a limited budget. Solid effort.

Blogger North March 09, 2019 3:11 PM  

Holy Moly, it just hit me like a bolt of lightning.

Where are Carol Danvers Dad and Mom? Where is her family? They are never mentioned.

What kind of psycho lands on the planet they just discovered they came from and doesnt at least think about who their family is?

That is the whole thing right there. No one in this movie has a dad.

Blogger Athelstane March 09, 2019 3:56 PM  

After yesterday's RT purge of 50,000 audience rankings, it's interesting to see where it stands now:

Rotten Tomatoes Tomatometer has dropped slightly to 79% (65% for top critics), and Audience Score is all the way up to 52% with over 34,000 reviews. These are not *horrible* ratings, and probably is not far off what the movie really is: not a total disaster, just mediocre, with superb effects and supporting cast partially offsetting an unappealing lead character and an indifferent script.

Metacritic meanwhile still has its critic rating at 65, and audience ranking at a miserable 3.0.

To put it in perspective, these are among the very lowest scores an MCU movie has gotten. 5th from worst RT rating, and 7th from worst Metacritic rating. And when you factor in some pretty obvious inflation by both the reviewers, and RT's categorization of them, it's very underwhelming.

We shall see how the box office fares. But it's becoming obvious that Captain Marvel is not going to be the flagship character Marvel was hoping for, and might well be so bad that the individual franchise gets scrapped or trimmed to just one sequel.

Blogger Daniel March 10, 2019 9:31 PM  

Uma Thurman Kill Bill?

Blogger Daniel March 10, 2019 9:32 PM  

Alita is a great watch

Blogger Daniel March 10, 2019 9:44 PM  

Lol

Blogger Daniel March 10, 2019 9:46 PM  

It is worth the money a lot

Blogger horsewithnonick March 11, 2019 12:57 PM  

So is everybody ready for Avengers: Endgame, alternate title Avengers: Deus Ex Vagina?

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