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Thursday, March 07, 2019

"Forget the past"

Read this if you are still under the impression that Disney gives even a fraction of a quantum of a damn about preserving the intellectual properties that it has acquired:
Mark came back for three movies, and not just cameo appearances. He calls his role in Episode VII the beginning of Episode VIII. He dies in The Last Jedi, but he is in reportedly in Episode IX as a Force Ghost. Mark feels Luke’s death should have happened in the last movie of this series.

“Then the second thing was that they killed me off. I thought: oh, okay, you should push my death off to the last one. That’s what I was hoping when I came back: no cameos and a run-of-the-trilogy contract. Did I get any of those things? Because as far as I’m concerned, the end of VII is really the beginning of VIII. I got one movie! They totally hornswoggled me.”

Hamill would also discuss how Johnson directed him to ignore C-3PO and just walk right past him for one scene:

They had me walking by 3PO, not even acknowledging him. I said: “I can’t do that! He (The Last Jedi’s director, Rian Johnson) said, “Okay, go over and do whatever.” So I went over, and I did whatever. They say it in the script: “Forget the past, kill it if you have to”, and they’re doing a pretty good job!’

The statement really sticks with me the most and may be the most telling to fans. Mark seemed genuinely upset with the lack of acknowledgment to the stories that took place before.

He specifically discusses the scene where he’s instructed to ignore C-3PO. The writing is reminiscent of when Chewie and Leia ignore each other in The Force Awakens. The action seems out of character for heroes that went through so much together. Mark was able to fix his scene. However, it was the underlying tone of dismissal by the director that upset so many fans.
That "underlying tone of dismissal" says it all. The evil little men who run Disney hate Western civilization and everything about it. They hate heroes, they hate nobility, they hate self-restraint, and they hate the very philosophical mode of thinking the West inherited from the ancient Greeks. They are not only willing to destroy the cultural icons you love, they downright revel in doing so. You cannot understand what they are doing unless you grasp that. And once you understand them, you can anticipate what they are going to do next.

Which is why I expect they will not even hesitate to destroy Marvel in the same way they have destroyed Star Wars.

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111 Comments:

Blogger jamsco March 07, 2019 11:10 AM  

We can only hope that there are rewrites for episode 9 are happening at this moment as a result of Mark's comments.

Blogger JRH, esq. March 07, 2019 11:11 AM  

It was always about the nihilism.

Blogger Warunicorn March 07, 2019 11:11 AM  

Here I was thinking we were going to get some nostalgic fan-service with a group of the most beloved sci-fi characters of all time.

Boy, was I wrong.

Blogger FUBARwest March 07, 2019 11:12 AM  

I almost feel sympathy for Mark. He clearly did not know he was going to be killed in The Last Jedi prior to seeing the movie. His reaction at the premier is shocking.

Then I remember he is a serious sufferer of TDS and I default to if you made your bed, you gotta sleep in it.

Blogger RandyB March 07, 2019 11:12 AM  

Abandon all hope.

Blogger Ledford Ledford March 07, 2019 11:12 AM  

This reveling in cultural destruction is an opening for anyone who can tell older stories straight. A Tarzan graphic novel, movie, etc. faithful to Burroughs would infuriate all the right folks.

Blogger BassmanCO March 07, 2019 11:15 AM  

jamsco wrote:We can only hope that there are rewrites for episode 9 are happening at this moment as a result of Mark's comments.

Who cares. After seeing the travesty that was "The Force Awakens", I refuse to give Star Wars (Disney) another cent. Reading about what they did to Luke in Episode VIII just confirms that all they care about is shitting on my childhood.

Seeing Kathleen Kennedy and her entourage of women all in "The Force is Female" t-shirts just confirms they want to make everything about women and bringing down the patriarchy. Fine. Do it good and hard and bankrupt your evil company.

Blogger Desdichado March 07, 2019 11:15 AM  

Ledford Ledford wrote:This reveling in cultural destruction is an opening for anyone who can tell older stories straight. A Tarzan graphic novel, movie, etc. faithful to Burroughs would infuriate all the right folks.
It's too bad we can't get another Hattie McDaniel to play Esmerelda. I can just imagine the screeches and howls.

Blogger White Rationalism March 07, 2019 11:22 AM  

Watched a Marvel Movie last night...won't say which one, but is was one of the newest ones.

I don't want to mean to give any spoilers, but here was a line from the movie... which caused my mouth to drop.

"This is my family and my nation. And I've turned my back on both. Sometimes we have to do what's right".

It's extremely disturbing to see these types of messages.

Blogger Unknown March 07, 2019 11:24 AM  

"Which is why I expect they will not even hesitate to destroy Marvel in the same way they have destroyed Star Wars."

We can only sit back and hope.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 07, 2019 11:27 AM  

The modern pedos running Hollywood are just terrible at story-telling.

Maybe that's why the pedos of the past were so good at it: they had to charm their victims.

Blogger Desdichado March 07, 2019 11:28 AM  

Unknown wrote:Watched a Marvel Movie last night...won't say which one, but is was one of the newest ones.

I don't want to mean to give any spoilers, but here was a line from the movie... which caused my mouth to drop.

"This is my family and my nation. And I've turned my back on both. Sometimes we have to do what's right".

It's extremely disturbing to see these types of messages.

That's not a Marvel movie. Not that DC movies are much less pozzed, but still.

Blogger Balam March 07, 2019 11:29 AM  

They also dug up Stan Lee's corpse to advertise for Captain Marvel on his twitter account LOL!

https://twitter.com/TheRealStanLee/status/1103467139749441536

I did not think my standards could get any lower. Hating men, hating white men, calling people incels, Carol having no boyfriend but instead having a cat, the Carol toy coming with cat and cat carrier backpack, blaming Russia. They have truly managed to surprise me.

Blogger gunner451 March 07, 2019 11:29 AM  

I've got to believe that sooner or later Disney is going to blow up if they keep destroying the properties that they buy. They just spent around $80 billion on Fox studios and if they do the same to them as they have for all the others something will have to give. But I guess their hatred of all things associated with western Christendom is blinding them to their own doom.

Blogger John D Alden March 07, 2019 11:31 AM  

There are some 150-200 Star Wars EU books, a big stack of games, and I can only guess how many comics. For many fans, the movies are a tiny little slice of the complete Star Wars story.

It was pretty obvious when Disney declared literally 99% of the Star Wars stories non-canon that they were going to shit all over the bit they kept. I haven't seen any of the Mouse Wars movies, and I wouldn't watch them if you gave them to me for free. Complete waste of time.

Blogger VFM Bear March 07, 2019 11:36 AM  

Talking about the Mandela Effect, never forget that Han shot Greedo first.

Star Wars came out when I was five. I forget how many times I was able to get my mom to take me to see it, but I had the thing practically memorized.

I have individual VHS and DVDs of the movies as well as complete sets of the original trilogy, thanks to my mom at various Christmases. In the digitally remastered versions that came out on DVD Greedo shoots at Han first, whereas on VHS Han shoots Greedo before his gun goes off as he dies.

No one who has seen Star Wars on anything but VHS has seen the original Star Wars as shown in the theatre.

Blogger FUBARwest March 07, 2019 11:40 AM  

"It was pretty obvious when Disney declared literally 99% of the Star Wars stories non-canon that they were going to shit all over the bit they kept."

I grew up reading those books. When Disney erased them from canon that started the end of my fandom for Star Wars. Haven't picked up any of the NuEu books. Why would I when it could all be determined meaningless at anytime.

I'd be curious to see how far book sales have dropped for the NuEu books in relation to the actual EU books.

An observation based on the recent Voxiversity video: a lot of this comes down to loyalty. Fans/followers/consumers are loyal to what they follow. Kathleen Kennedy is not loyal to the fanbase and so the fanbase is no longer loyal to her. Imagine being such a bad leader that George Lucas is a better alpha than you are.

Blogger White Rationalism March 07, 2019 11:42 AM  

@12 Yes...your quite right it was DC movie. Apologies... I stand corrected.

Been re-watching Marvel Movie Series the past few nights since Vox shared that 'leak' of 'Endgame', and lumped Marvel/DC all into one basket.

Quite the fall from "Truth, Justice, and the American Way".

Blogger VFM Bear March 07, 2019 11:47 AM  

Say, have you guys heard of #AlitaChallenge?

"Combating the SJWs is a new social media campaign created by comic fans who just want to watch an agenda-free action movie. Dubbed the "Alita Challenge" and operating under the hashtag #AlitaChallenge, moviegoers are encouraged to ditch Friday's premiere of Captain Marvel and instead see Alita: Battle Angel - an adaptation of the popular Japanese cyberpunk manga series which features a female lead, yet doesn't include a "girl-power" agenda or feminist marketing."

Let's all go vote on the trailers for both movies to ration them.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

Blogger VFM Bear March 07, 2019 11:48 AM  

ratio them, dagnabbit.

Now get off my lawn.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 07, 2019 11:54 AM  

Who is Disney's audience?

To me, they are a big part of the population unlikely to survive any kind of return to the harsh conditions that predated 19th & 20th century WASP-male-produced Plenitude.

Now that pure, unadulterated cargo cult thinking has entirely replaced the society that produced that Plenitude, all we await is for the Vast MasterCard on which the last 40 years of Plenitude was perpetuated to be declined at point-of-sale.

If Chinese people, high IQ or not, could have produced the stunning production and innovation of America's 1850-1950 period, they had 5,000 years to do it. Ditto Africa's odds of doing it, or India's. The ENGINE of Modern Plenitude was WASP MEN, supporting their wives and children at home.

Replacing those WASP MEN with women, blacks, Dots, Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews is akin to the aborigines in New Guinea building their wooden cargo planes and control towers.

Putting a [....] in a position previously occupied by a highly productive innovator doesn't MAKE THEM such. People are not interchangeable.

Is an American (multinational) corporation run by Indians and Chinese (low-trust peoples) the same as Bell Labs of the 1950's?

Plenitude is on skyrocketing-debt life support. When it ends, the Cargo Cult's institutions like Disney will wink out of existence.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 11:59 AM  

I still think there are some mercenary types at the top that love money a little to much to let the whole woke thing take over. They are willing to spend money on it.. and that is how they would view the processes... not as money lost but money spent on a project to advance wokeness. but if they weren't seeing a good return on that project or it was costing to much money... I suspect they will turn away from it.

We know that Disney wanted to fire the chick in charge of Woke Wars. So we know Disney is not happy with the financial performance of it.

I should think there is therefore then reason to expect that they will be playing it fairly straight with the MCU. There will be offshoot woke type movies I suspect... but not the flagships.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 12:01 PM  

it may just be them not giving up on wokeness and woke projects... but being irritated that those in charge were so blunt and clumsy about it that it got so noticed.

They are most effective when the woke message is subtle.

Blogger Captain Barnacles March 07, 2019 12:01 PM  

This explains a lot, but also burns me up. Knowing that there are SJWs at Netherealm Studios destroying Mortal Kombat. There are even rumors that on number 12, the gore will be gone.
Star Wars, Captain Marvel, now Mortal Kombat 11, a true shame. Unfortunately, there’s no way to save it. You could mod it on PC, but I don’t want to give the SJWs money, if they are in fact reveling in it, which they surely are, given their behavior.

Blogger JAG March 07, 2019 12:01 PM  

Ledford Ledford wrote:This reveling in cultural destruction is an opening for anyone who can tell older stories straight. A Tarzan graphic novel, movie, etc. faithful to Burroughs would infuriate all the right folks.

Great suggestion. Also, every classic author that is unpersoned like Lovecraft, and soon to be Tolkien, becomes our heritage exclusively.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box March 07, 2019 12:15 PM  

With TLJ, it was like they jettisoned my childhood. Plus, from a technical standpoint, it was just a bad movie with horrible storytelling. One-two punch. Lights out for me. Who cares about Episode IX or Star Wars anymore? Not me.

Has anyone noticed the amount of space relegated to Star Wars inventory at any department store these days? It's a shadow of what it once was.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 07, 2019 12:15 PM  

There's a clip of Rian Johnson where he talks about the opening scene where Poe is "tooling" Hux. He says he wanted a "Monty Python"-esque scene to show that his movie would be "fun." He also turned Hux into a comic relief idiot because he personally just found the character/actor funny for some reason. Never mind that an entire generation already thought the original movies were plenty "fun." Never mind that Python has a completely different tone and doesn't fit into Star Wars at all, so you end up with scenes that feel like they snuck in from Spaceballs. Never mind that audiences already know characters from the previous movie(s) and it's jarring when you change them. He wanted to do those things, so he did. And none of it was accidental. JJ hid his subversion, but Rian wanted everyone to see his, and they were hired for those reasons.

Blogger DJT March 07, 2019 12:20 PM  

No one who has seen Star Wars on anything but VHS has seen the original Star Wars as shown in the theatre.

Check into the Star Wars Despecialized Edition. Some fans have restored the films using stray original prints that were found. Those are the only versions my children will ever see.

I used to think DisneyFox was going to release the originals but now I'm certain it will never happen.

Blogger mgh March 07, 2019 12:21 PM  

#25: "every classic author that is unpersoned" Good material for Arkhaven Movie Studios.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 07, 2019 12:22 PM  

How do I put this? There were dueling singing cowboys movie stars for decades. They got killed off by I'm not sure I remember. We all say " Gene Autry"- but he was the last man standing of the entire genre. We can make more films about space operas, heroes and villains.

Star Wars, LucasFilms: they are GenX childhood. And now GenX children's childhood. It doesn't have to be a rate-limited reaction. We have 99% non-canonical works that need a 15% shift to not be in copyright. Surely LucasFilms and the special effects teams had workers shed: and we've got their kids who have grown up in the family business who also would like jobs.

The animation and art departments of California schools stocked Disney. Well, there's the Ringling College of Art in Florida. There's other art schools. Boys have grown up drawing freestyle all over their notebooks, as Mr Rogan puts it to Mr Roth, in an interview. There are functional studios scattered all across America. There's overnighting sketches to Korea or Japan, for refining, if needed. Why not grow our own artists? The first Star Wars looks crude now b/c those guys kept learning.

The Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers movies were filmed on what was as close as they could get to a green screen. The film sets did not look at all realistic. There were only a few of them per film. It was cheaply done by a studio on its way to bankruptcy- prosperity from a good story, not from dazzling sets.

This can all be done. It can probably be done on a reasonable budget, if all the whispers about money laundering are true: the budgets for movies are over-inflated for the press, not for the production or production quality.

My kid is watching a series on youtube. It's a kid with Angry Bird plush toys. The costumes are cardboard and tape. You can see the kid's arms and legs. He's narrating the entire thing. It's obviously the floor at his house. It has a strong story- something about knights, wizards, princesses. My kid is mesmerized. He's making his own comic books about this story he's watching. You literally have no idea how low the production values can go if you have a decent story. This has a decent story, apparently.


Blogger The Cooler March 07, 2019 12:23 PM  

Disney is one head of the Hydra whose almost sole purpose is to fuck with our mythologies, archetypes and iconographies. Doing so of course being necessary to the deracination of a People.

Let's be honest, though: By the time Star Wars got to Return of the Jedi the franchise had gone full diversitopian SJW. The "underlying tone of dismissal" that has come to pass was completely predictable.

Blogger Johnny March 07, 2019 12:26 PM  

Another character arc disaster, small time, was turning Chewbacca into a creature that has a history of eating people. It changed him from a kind of big teddy bear that could be threatening if you upset him, always done on a gag level, into a creature that could be useful as a villian's side kick thug. The Godfather's Luca Brasi.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 07, 2019 12:29 PM  

Thank God for Castalia House and current/new story tellers who will preserve truth in their stories.

Blogger VD March 07, 2019 12:31 PM  

I still think there are some mercenary types at the top that love money a little to much to let the whole woke thing take over.

That is observably not the case anymore.

Blogger Out of Nod March 07, 2019 12:31 PM  

@john I have a dream that one day, I'll be rich enough to buy the franchise, bring back the EU, canonize the good stuff (Stackpole, Zahn, and the Lucasarts titles) and throw out the crap...

But who am I kidding, it'd be better to take the EU material and create something new off it.

Blogger Silly but True March 07, 2019 12:34 PM  

Let’s be honest: a lot of the old EU books weren’t that good and nostalgic pearl clutching of Disney tossing it all out was never warranted.

The 90s stuff was just Bantam using its stable of hard sci-fi authors to earn a paycheck on licensed franchise work.

About the only stuff from pre-Disney that had any heart was some of the comics and games.

New Jedi Order — grimdark SW — had some flashes of inspiration but long fractured the fandom. The final serieses up to Disney’s purchase were weird and nearly unreadable hot messes.

The old EU was the epitome of Sturgeon’s Law: don’t lose any sleep over its loss.

Blogger Garuna March 07, 2019 12:38 PM  

Captain Marvel reviews from a Youtuber who has seen the film. The Youtuber is a centrist feminist and she tries to give the film a good review. But it's pretty clear that this movie is ultra-feminist.

BULLET POINTS
1) Lead actress does a Robert Downey Jr impression, she's supposed to be the Iron Man replacement just as Black Panther is the Captain America replacement
2) She's not very good at it. Lacking in comedic talent and charisma
3) Good dramatic acting
4) MARY SUE
5) Overpowered
6) Like Rey from Star Wars, she is able to master her new powers quickly at the end
7) Easily defeats the villains in the final act
8) Audience dead. No reaction. "You could hear a pin drop"
9) Movie is devoid of emotion
10) By-the-numbers. Marvel formulaic
11) Explains the origins of the "Avengers" name. It comes from Captain Marvel's call sign "The Avenger". The team is named after her
12) Even feminists will sometimes roll their eyes at this movie
13) You don't have to see Captain Marvel to understand Avengers: Endgame
14) Feels like a 90s film, but movie cannot maintain nostalgic feel
15) Cat ladies will love the pet cat
16) Villains are boring
17) Ben Mendelsohn is good
18) Male Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) is gender-swapped. Walter Lawson --> Wendy Lawson
19) Girl power movie. Women helping each other. This is speechified. Movie ignores "show don't tell"
20) TOXIC man tells Captain Marvel to smile. She steals his bike to punish him
21) TOXIC boys bully kid Captain Marvel
22) STRONK women are excellent pilots
23) STRONK Captain Marvel disobeys her male superior officers

MOVIE REVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fTAtszt-aQ

FEMINIST CONTROVERSY REVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmgPTaz7yho

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2019 12:39 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:You literally have no idea how low the production values can go if you have a decent story.
Jack Ward productions made a business of it. For you non-Boomers, that's Rocky and Bullwinkle, Tom Slick, George of the Jungle, Super Chicken, etc., and countless cereal advertisements.

Blogger VFM Bear March 07, 2019 12:39 PM  

"I used to think DisneyFox was going to release the originals but now I'm certain it will never happen."

Me too, and in comments on the DVDs, Lucas said that it would never happen. That was over 20 years ago.

I think he stored the original tapes somewhere along with the telemetry data from the Apollo program....

Blogger Garuna March 07, 2019 12:41 PM  

PS. The Youtuber herself admits that the movie is basically Captain Feminism.

Blogger Rex Leroy King March 07, 2019 12:42 PM  

Nate wrote:I still think there are some mercenary types at the top that love money a little to much to let the whole woke thing take over.

Who's the most Ned Flanders motherfucker now?

Blogger wakeupscreaming March 07, 2019 12:44 PM  

I was the biggest star wars fan. I was around 5 years old watching "a new hope" in 1977.
But I couldn't even care less about any new episodes, since Disney's takeover.

Lucas said he was giving star wars a good home (with the sale to disney).
That's like dropping your kids off at a child molesters house.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len March 07, 2019 12:49 PM  

The whole "but the cute cat!" angle carries the whiff of a litter box full of disappointment, though it's more likely aimed at the younglings (and their parents) than cat ladies, who need no other motivation than "icky boys don't lie it".

Blogger JAG March 07, 2019 12:49 PM  

veryfunnyminion wrote:"I used to think DisneyFox was going to release the originals but now I'm certain it will never happen."

Me too, and in comments on the DVDs, Lucas said that it would never happen. That was over 20 years ago.

I think he stored the original tapes somewhere along with the telemetry data from the Apollo program....


Not to worry. There are digitally restored versions of the original trilogy from original film reels that can be downloaded via torrent files. There's no Lucasfilm revisions in them. They are just as they were in the theaters.

The tighter Lucas' grasp became, the more easily the originals slipped through his fingers.

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 07, 2019 12:59 PM  

Here is Cracked's vision. It's all there.

"5 Better Versions Of Superheroes We'll Hopefully Get Soon"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-better-versions-superheroes-well-hopefully-get-soon/

Blogger Joe Smith March 07, 2019 1:00 PM  

Episodes VII, VIII, and IX are lost causes. Disney broke them, seemingly intentionally, and should be ignored. Even I, II, and III, as bad as they are, aren't this bad. There is no reason to hope.

Blogger Johnny March 07, 2019 1:00 PM  

I await the viewer reviews which will be in shortly. The Marvel franchise is strong enough to get through a bad movie, but one that offends the fan base as this one may, will do enduring damage.

And the exposure level of these films of these movies has been really high. How many superhero movies can you see without the next one being nothing special regardless? I have already hit the saturation point. No big upset if this one isn't much, provided I don't bother to see it.

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 07, 2019 1:07 PM  

I'd read an infinity stone was coughed up in a hairball by the cat.

I couldn't tell if it was serious or not.

Blogger Lovekraft March 07, 2019 1:12 PM  

Disney is banking on people's short attention spans and their susceptibility to glitter and dazzle to mask agenda-driven stories.

Because, without a doubt, Disney is stuck. Stuck on a narrative in which the antifa diversity collection against the monolithic white male hierarchy means something anymore.

But it doesn't. Watch recent splits among the left - progressives versus old guard. This isn't because of Trump or white men. It is because this is what happens when unhinged radicals attempt to muscle into power. |

The honorable thing for Disney to do would admit that this political stage would be one where an empire that can provide stability during such upheaval is a preferred choice, and that the leaders of this empire are correct in how they set the new terms.

But Disney won't. Perhaps blackmail or intimidation or greed. Whatever it is, the stories are stale and irrelevant.

Blogger Sillon March 07, 2019 1:13 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:Here is Cracked's vision. It's all there.

"5 Better Versions Of Superheroes We'll Hopefully Get Soon"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-better-versions-superheroes-well-hopefully-get-soon/


That made me puke and also remind me why I stopped reading Marvel comics after Civil War and Planet Hulk.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 07, 2019 1:17 PM  

" They are not only willing to destroy the cultural icons you love, they downright revel in doing so. You cannot understand what they are doing unless you grasp that. And once you understand them, you can anticipate what they are going to do next."

Well even a porcupine is going to be hard for the python to swallow. What can we do to them that we can revel in? We need to have a toga party of sorts, the kind a certain fraternity had when they knew they were going to get screwed anyway.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 07, 2019 1:22 PM  

Properties go to Disney to die.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei March 07, 2019 1:25 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:Here is Cracked's vision. It's all there.

"5 Better Versions Of Superheroes We'll Hopefully Get Soon"


I haven't been there in a while, and I knew Cracked had started down the converged path, but I see they'll jumped in with both feet, like this very funny (it's a humor site, right?) feminist whinefest:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-train-teenage-girls-to-love-psychopaths/

Blogger Garuna March 07, 2019 1:25 PM  

I'd read an infinity stone was coughed up in a hairball by the cat. I couldn't tell if it was serious or not.

It's true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2VqE2cnBeA&t=3m8s

Blogger Johnny March 07, 2019 1:28 PM  

It is very hard to change the culture of a company. That would be the big problem if they wanted to go in a new direction. That and they don't seem to want to do it anyway.

Blogger Unknownsailor March 07, 2019 1:31 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:How do I put this? There were dueling singing cowboys movie stars for decades. They got killed off by I'm not sure I remember. We all say " Gene Autry"- but he was the last man standing of the entire genre. We can make more films about space operas, heroes and villains.

Star Wars, LucasFilms: they are GenX childhood. And now GenX children's childhood. It doesn't have to be a rate-limited reaction. We have 99% non-canonical works that need a 15% shift to not be in copyright. Surely LucasFilms and the special effects teams had workers shed: and we've got their kids who have grown up in the family business who also would like jobs.

The animation and art departments of California schools stocked Disney. Well, there's the Ringling College of Art in Florida. There's other art schools. Boys have grown up drawing freestyle all over their notebooks, as Mr Rogan puts it to Mr Roth, in an interview. There are functional studios scattered all across America. There's overnighting sketches to Korea or Japan, for refining, if needed. Why not grow our own artists? The first Star Wars looks crude now b/c those guys kept learning.

The Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers movies were filmed on what was as close as they could get to a green screen. The film sets did not look at all realistic. There were only a few of them per film. It was cheaply done by a studio on its way to bankruptcy- prosperity from a good story, not from dazzling sets.

This can all be done. It can probably be done on a reasonable budget, if all the whispers about money laundering are true: the budgets for movies are over-inflated for the press, not for the production or production quality.

My kid is watching a series on youtube. It's a kid with Angry Bird plush toys. The costumes are cardboard and tape. You can see the kid's arms and legs. He's narrating the entire thing. It's obviously the floor at his house. It has a strong story- something about knights, wizards, princesses. My kid is mesmerized. He's making his own comic books about this story he's watching. You literally have no idea how low the production values can go if you have a decent story. This has a decent story, apparently.



As an example of where fan films are now, check this one out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey68aMOV9gc

Was briefly DCMA struck by Disney, but a rep from Lucasfilm got that lifted.

Give that guy 50 million dollars, and you would get a proper sequel to VI, rather than the garbage Disney has given us.

Blogger FUBARwest March 07, 2019 1:32 PM  

"I await the viewer reviews which will be in shortly. The Marvel franchise is strong enough to get through a bad movie, but one that offends the fan base as this one may, will do enduring damage."

Captain Marvel isnt going to affect Endgame at all. Endgame will make 2bil+ and will most likely be the beginning of the end of Marvels dominance of the cinema market.

There is a slight chance that the studio heads at Marvel will do a course correction after Captain Marvel doesnt live up to expectations. There is a long hiatus between the Endgame/Far from Home and the next Marvel movie. It's *possible* that Bob Iger is waiting to see how Captain Marvel does before telling Kevin Fiege to ditch the cheese and move on to something else.

Who am I kidding, its Disney after all. The Mouse is not putting money above SJWism.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 1:33 PM  

"Who's the most Ned Flanders motherfucker now?"

for asserting that jews love money? No... Jamsco is always going to be the most ned flanders mother fucker on the planet.

I am not saying woke wars will not continue. I am saying there are conflicting evil motivations and the enemy is not quite as dumb as you folks are concluding.

Blogger Shimshon March 07, 2019 1:36 PM  

"Which is why I expect they will not even hesitate to destroy Marvel in the same way they have destroyed Star Wars."

Can someone convince Goldman Sachs to take the other side of this bet?

Blogger Athelstane March 07, 2019 1:43 PM  

"The statement really sticks with me the most and may be the most telling to fans. Mark seemed genuinely upset with the lack of acknowledgment to the stories that took place before."

Contrast with MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: Some of the cast of the original 60's TV series (notably Peter Graves and Martin Landau) complained when they saw the script for Tom Cruise's first MI movie in 1995, angered that it turned Jim Phelps into a villain, and departed in all sorts of ways from the TV series.

Did they have a point? Sure. Did it matter? No. Because Cruise and Brian De Palma were clear from the outset that this was a major reboot of the property - there was no pretense otherwise. And history has vindicated them, since the movie series has been a consistently first rate action franchise that's vastly more popular (and still mostly unconverged) and frankly more compelling than its run-of-the-mill 60's TV spy series predecessor.

If Disney wanted to do a complete reboot of Star Wars, that would have been one thing. But they knew full well that doing so would be high risk for box office poison. They've been disingenuous from Day One. Mark Hamill is right to resent it.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 2:12 PM  

"There is a slight chance that the studio heads at Marvel will do a course correction after Captain Marvel doesnt live up to expectations. "

its interesting to note that in the spoilers that came out Captain Marvel is not the Rockstar of endgame that everyone was first assuming.

Blogger JAG March 07, 2019 2:17 PM  

@56 Unknown - WOW! That was really good. A 16 minute fan film that blows away every thing post Empire. That is the kind of thing we want. A full length movie of that short would destroy box office records.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 07, 2019 2:43 PM  

#56 Thank you! What an amazing Star Wars movie!

I was thinking, really, why not set up another story universe? It's what George Lucas did, based on space operas from the black and white era. Indiana Jones is from the adventure serials. So, why not another space opera with different characters.

The 'limited source' problem isn't a modern problem: we have an abundance of film history- singing cowboys, Flash Gordon, Looney Tunes, actual operas, modern soap operas, novels from the Roman Era, Byzantine Chronicles, Tolkien, Lewis, King Arthur, Beowulf, and things not found in the Norton Anthologies. We have so many stories.

And, more to the point, we, as Christians, have stories that Christians can understand clearly, with our own, inside jokes, that the current, mostly Jewish film executives not only don't know, they don't know that they don't know. They have their abundance: they quite literally do not know that we have our own abundance. They can't understand it, they don't think it's captivating- it's not, to them- and that's for the stuff that they might have heard of just a little bit.

Have you ever read the early reviews of Caddy Shack? It's a Catholic episodic story. It's voted as one of the funniest films of all time in America. The critics didn't have Catholic medieval episodic- there's a more specific term that I'm only vaguely familiar with -a comic work with vignettes about a soul's progress, but emphasis on comedy- Like the shepherd's stealing sheep play at Christmas. The critics didn't know about these, and they didn't understand the film, and they didn't find it funny: and that film has never, ever, ever been out of circulation. It wins awards as funniest film, funniest sports film, all kinds of things like. It's a cheaply made film by guys near the start of their career. It has funded these guys lives ever since.

Vox has the means to get generationally wealthy with one half-reasonable film series. He has the means to make stars of complete unknowns. These actors won't be subjected to indignities, so there's a fair chance they can have solid careers. Good actors tend to marry each other, and then have good acting gene kids: it took three generations to get to Drew Barrymore, who is completely luminous, no matter what the film is. Crews are already mostly right wing.

I mean, there are space operas coming out every other year or so. The cringe isn't the dialogue: it's the major premises- not a problem here, right? Mr Day has an opinion about girls' beauty, so we're likely to not suffer something like a Valerian poster (why is that girl glaring at me? what did I do to her? I'm not going to get closer to that)

Blogger tublecane March 07, 2019 2:53 PM  

As they hate our past, so they also wish to squeeze nickels out of us via nostalgia. Pretty much everything anyone enjoys about the new movies in some way derives from the original trilogy. Reunion scenes are nostalgic lay-ups.

Game of Thrones spent its entire previous season milking that cow, and though it held back some of the more meaningful reunions we know they'll take place in the final season. Are the HBO people smarter than the Disney people? Maybe, but at this point it's clear there's something going besides a betrayal of the mercenary instinct.

Nevermind the robots and the Bigfoot. We didn't get to see the Skywalker twins together, despite Luke's technical appearance in both films. And these are people possessed of telepathic power.

Blogger The Cooler March 07, 2019 2:59 PM  

As they hate our past, so they also wish to squeeze nickels out of us via nostalgia.

Brilliant.

Blogger tublecane March 07, 2019 3:17 PM  

@27- I thought they were just ripping off the Marvel style of humor. (Guardians of the Galaxy, not Deadpool.) If the director referenced Monty Python, maybe it's because Hux is played by a Brit. Or because he doesn't want to admit that his project is homogenized Disney fluff.

Blogger VFM Bear March 07, 2019 3:17 PM  

Galaxy's Edge is already there as a Star Wars replacement, just hope they don't sell the rights to Disney.

Blogger Dangeresque March 07, 2019 3:50 PM  

Classic Boomer sellout. Even being made to publicly shit on their own legacy isn't off the table as long as it means extra golf memberships, RVs, and boats. They will just whine a bit about it afterwards for plausible deniability.

Blogger Ben Cohen March 07, 2019 4:00 PM  

They could of used the han solo trilogy books to make a great movie.

They also could of made a great movie out of Kyle katarns adventures: Dark Forces, Jedi Knight games which had beautiful music. If you want to throw in a female character you can add Mara Jade.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 4:07 PM  

"I was thinking, really, why not set up another story universe? It's what George Lucas did, based on space operas from the black and white era. Indiana Jones is from the adventure serials. So, why not another space opera with different characters. "

have ya read The Stars Came Back?

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 07, 2019 4:07 PM  

It's an amazing thing to watch. Avatar the Last Airbender was a great little show.

The same guys that came up with the brilliant Avatar came up with it's godawful followup the Legend of Korra. Korra was a horrible Mary Sue and was an intenesly dislikable charachter in everyway available to her.

But what was really shocking was that they tore down everything they had built up in Avatar just to try and make Korra better than Ang.

If a new group of creators had been brought in to take over the IP. That would have been...well still horrible but it would be understandable that they wanted to put their own stamp on it.

BUT these were the same guys that created Avatar in the first place.

The creators of something that was great, were absolutely driven to destroy that thing when they went full on Feminist SJW. they tore down every element that was set up in the first series all to create this SJW Mary Sue.

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

And they killed their own creation. I'd never seen anything like it but I am getting the feeling I'll be seeing it again soon with Marvel.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira March 07, 2019 4:23 PM  

Whatever is left of Marvel to destroy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 07, 2019 4:26 PM  

What is it about Third Wave Feminists that they can't produce a female character that is NOT a Mary Sue?

I have a feeling its the School of Fish Instinct that VD talked about in SJWs Always Double Down.

It's like the creators know they will not be allowed to drift outside the constrictions that create a Mary Sue if they are making a feminist heroine.

They seem to know (or are afraid) that if they do, the hivemind will order them swarmed.

So the only thing the hivemind will allow them to come up with is a female character that everyone loves (unless they are evil). Are smarter, stronger and faster than anyone else. Have no flaws and instantly be the best at everything.

At this point the pattern is too obvious to ignore.

The creators don't come up with anything else because they are not allowed to come up with anything else.

Blogger JAG March 07, 2019 4:30 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:They could of used the han solo trilogy books to make a great movie.

They also could of made a great movie out of Kyle katarns adventures: Dark Forces, Jedi Knight games which had beautiful music. If you want to throw in a female character you can add Mara Jade.


Definition of "have" - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/have

Definition of "of" - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/of

Blogger jamsco March 07, 2019 4:36 PM  

No... Jamsco is always going to be the most ned flanders ...
I don't see it as a competition. Can't it be both? I would be proud to have Nate up there on the pedestal with me.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 07, 2019 5:07 PM  

#70. No. What is it?

Blogger Man of the Atom March 07, 2019 5:15 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:#70. No. What is it?

Screenplay Edition

Prose Version

Nate is right to recommend it. It's very good.

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 07, 2019 6:29 PM  

Older actors tend to be very skilled at what they do. The spent their lives studying character interaction and how real people behave to make their performances more believeable.

When an older actors says you're writing the movie wrong, you should listen. It turns out the newer crop of Disney movie makers is full of psychopaths who can't tell reasonable human interaction from cold hearted apathy. They produce movies this way because they ARE this way deep in their souls. Real human interaction confuses then, so they made up some counterfeit. When audiences saw that counterfeit for what it was, they blamed the audience for noticing.

Blogger Rex Leroy King March 07, 2019 6:34 PM  

jamsco wrote:No... Jamsco is always going to be the most ned flanders ...

I don't see it as a competition. Can't it be both? I would be proud to have Nate up there on the pedestal with me.


You are destined to be together forever.

Blogger Lovekraft March 07, 2019 6:43 PM  

@73 Cataline: good point and I will point out that nefarious fifth columnist groups latch onto this weakness and ride the free pass that women still carry.

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Blogger MichaelJMaier March 07, 2019 6:56 PM  

CAPTAIN MARVEL doesn't suck. But it's not gripping. I never cared a lick about what was happening on screen. No dramatic tension whatsoever.

So, of course, females and soyboys will SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE over it.

Blogger MichaelJMaier March 07, 2019 6:56 PM  

Just like they did over the damned boring WONDER WOMAN.

Blogger Alphaeus March 07, 2019 7:25 PM  

You may not care about Star Wars, but just wait until they do the same thing to William Shakespeare...Oh, wait, they are doing the same thing to William Shakespeare!!!

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 07, 2019 7:42 PM  

Purchased Stars Came Back. Tight budget, so take it as a compliment.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 07, 2019 8:03 PM  

The thing that still amazes me about The Last Jedi was the incompetence of the supervision.

Johnson was allowed to screw up so many things it's hard to keep track of them all. But his biggest was derailing the trilogy.

A trilogy is supposed to be analogous to the three act play.

Johnson was somehow allowed to stuff the climax into the second act.

Which means that Star Wars 9 is going to be nothing but a two and half hour denouement.

There is no story left to tell. There is nothing left to see...

...Except for watching Rey beating Kylo a third time.

Blogger tz March 07, 2019 8:17 PM  

Meanwhile, Star Trek
Discovery
We are the Prog
Resistance is futile
You will be converged


I forgot it, but apparently it will be renewed. Meanwhile The Orville is what it should have been.

Apparently ST:Axanar is alive and will happen later this year. If no one ruins it, it might be a high point.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 9:25 PM  

The screen play version is wierd.. But after a chapter or so you stop noticing it

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 07, 2019 9:26 PM  

So, Brianna Wu is running for congress. Her video mentions gamergate quite a bit.

Blogger Man of the Atom March 07, 2019 9:32 PM  

Nate wrote:The screen play version is wierd.. But after a chapter or so you stop noticing it

Ready-made for graphic novel conversion.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 07, 2019 9:54 PM  

...Except for watching Rey beating Kylo a third time.
No they'll do something different because the MaRey Sue stuff is getting too much traction and they need to save some modicum of face.
So instead, it'll be a greater enemy that the two have to team up to take down.

Blogger Clint March 07, 2019 10:26 PM  

Nate wrote:"I was thinking, really, why not set up another story universe? It's what George Lucas did, based on space operas from the black and white era. Indiana Jones is from the adventure serials. So, why not another space opera with different characters. "

have ya read The Stars Came Back?


And its prequel, The Heretics of St. Possenti

These are all great books. And Nate is right about the screenplay format of the original. After about 10 pages, it just reads naturally, and you don't even notice the format.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 10:33 PM  

The screen play version is actually better than the novelized version.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2019 11:01 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:So, Brianna Wu is running for congress. Her video mentions gamergate quite a bit.
John Flynt is running for congress. His video mentions Gamergate quite a bit.
Fixed it for you.

Blogger sammibandit March 07, 2019 11:16 PM  

You just made my year.

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 07, 2019 11:23 PM  

Yeah. Hi Encyclopedia Dramatica entry is pretty special.

Cory Doctorow is all over this as usual.

Blogger braq March 07, 2019 11:23 PM  

First they came for the Catholic Church, but I wasn't worried since I wasn't Catholic.

Then they came for immigration controls, but I was already here, and all that ethnic food is delicious!

Next they came for the unborn babies - but the mothers were mostly poor black women, and, after all, shouldn't women have a right to choose?

Academia, education, nuclear family, military readiness, normal sexuality, American and European history, banking, entertainment, biology, sports, climate science - all inverted and perverted and destroyed in less than a century - but I was safely ensconced in my Gen-X or Boomer cocoon of tolerance and inclusiveness.

But Star Wars??? Now they've crossed the line! I won't pay to see their stuff, that will teach them!

Blogger MrNiceguy March 07, 2019 11:28 PM  

While in college in the late '90s, I built what is now a rather embarrassingly large collection of the EU paperbacks. Most don't hold up well. But if you haven't read the X-Wing series you should. It has a very mil-sci feel to it.

In an alternate reality where Disney wasn't run by functional retards who hate their fans, that series of books would have been made into a TV series.

Blogger MrNiceguy March 07, 2019 11:40 PM  

Wow. I'd heard Cracked had gone downhill, but that was just embarrassing to read.

Blogger Toris March 08, 2019 2:42 AM  

I was surprised at quality of a Darth Vadar vs Batman animation on Youtube. My entertainment requirements would be fulfilled if talent like that worked on New Testament rather than Star Wars.

Blogger Ravin Mavin March 08, 2019 3:01 AM  

I saw Alita. I thought it was good. I'd see it again. My millennial friends thought so too. #AlitaChallenge? I'm in.

Blogger Eli March 08, 2019 3:53 AM  

@97 Politics is downstream from culture. Andrew Klavan talks about this all the time. If more people on the right were involved in the culture war back in the 60's and 70's I think a lot of those problems you mentioned wouldn't be problems at all. Maybe not everything, but it certainly would be a lot better than what we have now. I think we ignore pop culture at our own peril. I'm glad that there are creators making great stories in the field of SF&F as well as comics. We need more of this. As for boycotting? I think it's obviously the best choice in regards to Disney/Marvel until they either turn things around or are replaced full stop. I'm hoping for the latter.

Blogger Garuna March 08, 2019 7:42 AM  

David V Stewart's review of Captain Marvel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL3KAN6yxis

Blogger Avalanche March 08, 2019 8:20 AM  

@14 "I guess their hatred of all things associated with western Christendom is blinding them to their own doom."

As it has throughout their entire history with Christendom! I was thinking with vitriol that we need a tee shirt that says "Time for 105!" and a pic of folks being forced at gunpoint out a city gate!

For any naive who are here: our (((betrayers))) have supposedly been thrown out of 104 countries (NATIONS!) down through history when the Christian / White folks FINALLY get fed up!

...
They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.
...

Blogger Nate March 08, 2019 9:15 AM  

"But Star Wars??? Now they've crossed the line! I won't pay to see their stuff, that will teach them! "

Shut your whore mouth. You don't have a God Damn clue what Vox and the rest of have been doing.

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 5:18 PM  

Alita was a great movie

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 5:18 PM  

Is*

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 5:51 PM  

And Disney named galaxy's edge their New park. That's fucked up

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 5:53 PM  

And tla already had strong female caracteres. Lots. Good and evil. There was need for that

Blogger Daniel March 08, 2019 5:54 PM  

No need

Blogger OvergrownHobbit March 09, 2019 12:41 PM  

There's the Star Wars That Should Have been coming out here:

http://www.scifiwright.com/2018/11/starquest-crowdfunder-goes-live/

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