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Friday, March 15, 2019

New Zealand = false flag

UPDATE: The shootings in New Zealand were almost certainly the first of the false flags everyone who has been paying attention has been anticipating. The paid shills are out HARD on this one trying to put out the fires being set by everyone who notices the highly cheesy nature of the so-called manifesto or the unlikely prospect of a very fit young Aussie who looks a lot like an SAS officer being inspired by a Norwegian to attack a mosque in New Zealand in order to defend gun rights in the United States.

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Martin van Creveld warned you. I warned you. The history of the Islamic invasions of Europe and the reconquest of Spain warned you. The entire recorded history of the movement of peoples warned you. Of course, the inevitability of the historical trends is not going to even slow down the feigned media "shock and outrage" narrative that will greet the events in New Zealand that may be the beginning of Reconquista 2.0, the next phase in the conquest of the West, or simply a clumsy false flag designed to do anything from a) trigger war with Iran, b) justify the further suppression of inalienable rights, or c) derail the growing popularity of the nationalist right.
Two gunmen opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, at 1.40pm local time on Friday. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said 49 were killed. 41 were killed at Masjid Al Noor Mosque, seven at Linwood Masjid Mosque and one died at hospital.

48 people were rushed to hospital with gunshot wounds and 20 are in critical condition. One of the gunmen live-streamed the deadly attack on Facebook using a GoPro in footage too distressing to show. It was posted on a Facebook page belonging to Brenton Tarrant. It is understood the killer is an Australian-Brit who published a chilling 74-page manifesto before the rampage

Cops have arrested three men and a woman - with one found wearing a suicide vest. New Zealand Police commissioner Mike Bush said a man in his late twenties has been charged with murder and will appear in court tomorrow.
As I have written before, and will no doubt have to write again and again, the blood of the victims on both sides is on the hands of the evil politicians and activists who opened the borders of the nation-states of the West to foreign invaders. There is a reason Muslims refer to the lands outside the House of Submission as the Dar al-Harb, the House of War.

Dar al-Harab is a term classically referring to those countries where the Muslim law is not in force, in the matter of worship and the protection of the faithful and dhimmis. It is unclean by definition, and will not become clean until annexed to the House of Peace. Its denizens are either to be converted, killed or, if people of the book, tolerated as long as they pay the jizya.

So, don't bother pretending to be shocked or upset. The bloodshed in Christchurch is what has always happened when rival civilizations clash as a result of one group of people moving into the territory of another group of people. The media never even pretends to shed any tears when dozens of Christians are regularly murdered in their churches in Pakistan, Egypt, and elsewhere in the Middle East. And if the brave men and women of the armed forces had simply defended their nations from Islamic invasion instead of massacring hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children everywhere from Afghanistan to Somalia, ordinary men and women would feel no need to become resistance fighters in their own lands.

If, that is, anyone has actually done so, as there are more than a few distinctly false notes throughout the entire manifesto, which makes me very reluctant to accept the scenario at face value. The entire document felt very cut-and-pasted, and as if it had multiple authors, at least one of whom was trolling the reader.

UPDATE: Apparently option (c) was the correct answer.

The pathology of identity politics on the extreme right....
- Dr. Jordan B Peterson

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Blogger cisbio March 15, 2019 5:35 AM  

or simply a false flag designed to trigger war with Iran.

wtf!?

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear March 15, 2019 5:37 AM  

Looks kinda like a False Flag to me, Guys.

"Look at my White Supremacist Agit-Prop, Everybody! In case you missed it, I made sure to write it not only all over my "Assault-style Rifle", but ALSO all over my backpack. In WHITE INK.

I'll wait and see. I mean, people did die. It's REAL, but who did it and why? Should we follow the MONEY? ....Or our "feeelings"?

Have I been drinking too many Claws with "Conspiracy Bear", lately?

Blogger Ron March 15, 2019 5:41 AM  

It was strange reading that he wanted to cause a civil war in the US by getting more restrictive gun laws passed because of his attacks. Which would cause people to revolt. Very strange.

Blogger Scott March 15, 2019 5:41 AM  

Four people arrested. I'd be inclined to believe this if it was a lone actor with a sense of humor. This was coordinated, and it smeared everyone on the right and middle.

Further censorship, muslim counter-attacks, and another gun grab incoming.

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear March 15, 2019 5:44 AM  

Yeah, I'm kinda with Scott on this. Too organized. I don't want to say it but....do we need a better class of Troll these days? Do these people need to get out more amongst the "common man"?

Maybe not. Why give them ideas? If they start listening, they MIGHT start making more believable $h!t. Just sayin'

Blogger Weak March 15, 2019 5:46 AM  

The whole thing reeks of false flag. The manifesto is so over the top, I expected it to be signed #QAnon at the end.

Anonymous Anonymous March 15, 2019 5:46 AM  

How did Yang know?

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 5:47 AM  

wtf!?

When the Muslims react violently, as they most likely will, the attacks will have been funded from somewhere, which will probably be reported as being Iran.

This was the way the Bush administration justified the second Iraq invasion after 9/11, you may recall, even though it was entirely false.

Blogger JACIII March 15, 2019 5:49 AM  

This won't phase any muslim population living outside muslim controlled territories. There is infinitely more chaos, filth, and murder where they left than can be visited upon them in the West short of autonomous killbots roaming the streets.
They will cry and hoot and play this for all it is worth and then redouble their efforts to demographically defeat the native population while having their trademark murderous fun along the way.
Where the tipping point arises is what will spell the fate of the individual Western country.
The cucks are going to make hate crime hay today, but many silent citizens will not look disapprovingly at the Australian.

Blogger Gettimothy March 15, 2019 5:52 AM  

"So, don't bother pretending to be shocked or upset. "

I feel pleased.

Blogger FrankNorman March 15, 2019 5:52 AM  

Let me suggest here that it could be a semi-false flag. that guy maybe 100% sincere but at the same time he could carefully have been put up to it by government people. If his rhetoric sounds scripted it may well be because someone was feeding him a script.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 5:53 AM  

How does an attack by a group of white nationalists in New Zealand get us into a war with Iran?

The same way an attack by a group of Saudis in New York got us into a war with Iraq.

Blogger FrankNorman March 15, 2019 5:54 AM  

The globalists, remember, want to destroy all opposition. But they also seem to first want to turn their opposition into something that they will feel justified in destroying.

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 5:55 AM  

The 16 minute video, followed by some research on the guys hot takes, and his twitter with the cover photo of the dead 4 y/o girl with the teddy bear next to her, it seems a professional mindset during it, but then, it's not like people aren't organising or playing COD, it's just that the - yes - elite Jews that patrol our society for threats against them want to know, so they don't do it in public. He did put it on Facebook to stream once the time came, and he was just another shitposter prior to that, he didn't put up links to where he learned to handle guns or make bombs and whatnot. The guy is a bogan seething with a controlled rage. He's had enough, he's seen Breivik give up his life, he's not gonna be happy with a carton of VB and some winnie blues. He's put himself into the game, another link on the timeline.

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 5:58 AM  

The Knights were referenced, I've heard about them, if they're anything like a semi-professional outfit, then the people investigating Trump might be taking down notes from data mining here and checking in on just how organised they are. They don't own the New York Times, sure, but it seems they may have outreach around the world to put in work like this.

Blogger Ron March 15, 2019 5:59 AM  

The shooter claims to be a Trump supporter...

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 6:00 AM  

The dude's a troll. He couldn't be stuffed being like Breivik, watch the 16 minute assault, he's playing polka music while a tomtom guides him there because he's not a local. Then he gets the tomtom to guide him away, while running over a woman and stopping to shotgun another mozzie through the front window, not sure if he got him good so shoots him out the passenger window too, then it's off and driving casually again. Then he cracks some nice satire about the performance review. He's not a serious guy, but he's doing very serious things.

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear March 15, 2019 6:03 AM  

Indeed. I think I need an adequate Brioche with which to spread so thick a cheese, as was that sorry excuse for a manifesto. It's like some COINTEL PRO or JIDF just sauntered into a "White Nationalist" chat room, circa 1997 & started taking notes, then wrote a bad screenplay about just what he thought a "Crazy White Nationalist" Tower Climber would do. BOILERPLATE. Tired.....Sad!!

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear March 15, 2019 6:12 AM  

Yeah cuz....YOU know, Guys. Making SURE to call out, of all people, PEWDS, in that same manifesto. THAT's not a tell tale sign of a False Flag at ALL. Right!??! I mean, there wouldn't be a certain group of [special people] who could possibly be offended by anything that PEWDS may have said in the past, No!

Harumph!

Blogger Salt March 15, 2019 6:12 AM  

People who do this stuff are not unaware of the underlying forces at work. It always bothers me, on the one hand, the targets of the outrage.

"And if the brave men and women of the armed forces had simply defended their nations" "from the hands of the evil politicians and activists who opened the borders of the nation-states of the West to foreign invaders", "ordinary men and women would feel no need to become resistance fighters in their own lands."

I don't blame the Islamist for being what he is anymore than I blame a dog for being a dog. The Islamist didn't invite himself in.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 6:15 AM  

You're banned for shilling, "Vessimede Barstool".

Did you really think an Original Gamergater won't recognize a paid shill?

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 6:17 AM  

Come on Vox, study the guy a bit more, he cited Candace Owens because he can't stand the bitch, and said she's too extreme for him. He wanted her to pay a price. He's a true white nationalist. He's also a true channer. He even included the Navy Seal copypasta during the op. Troll central, with a serious agenda. Chan's in a nutshell? Well the NYT is gonna think that now, bet on that.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool March 15, 2019 6:18 AM  

Sure man no worries, your blog.

Blogger Bogey March 15, 2019 6:18 AM  

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Blogger SomeOne March 15, 2019 6:19 AM  

I'm not convinced it's a false flag. Maybe it's a stereotypical manifesto because stereotypes have some basis in fact.

I swear I'm not a shill either, for what its worth. I am in NZ though - time to gun up before they ban them altogether here.

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear March 15, 2019 6:19 AM  

@Salt - Exactly

Last i checked, said "Islamist" was perfectly happy F-ing Goats in the Desert and shitting in the street before being called upon to invade the West. With his awesome ability to plan. Without any help, whatsoever. He was GIVEN a plan of action. By SOMEONE. I hear what you're saying about dogs, though....

You don't beat a dog for trying to eat some poop. You don't chastise the poor guy for licking his balls.

I GET it. VOX gets it.

I think we all GET IT. :-)

Blogger Silent Draco March 15, 2019 6:22 AM  

Suspicious about this being a false flag:

1. Not a lone gunman or gunner with wingman. This was a fire team. Implies more training, preparation, and coordination.

2. Where did they get the semi-automatic rifles? ANZAC countries had clamped down very hard on gun ownership, even more on semi-autos. The white writing on "scary black rifles" is over the top, even for high school-level brains. It's like the "How I Did It" book in the Herr Baron's private medical library, in "Young Frankenstein".

3. The backstory sounds like a different leftist organization tired of muzzies horning in on their turf, or using them as a pretext to advance their own cause. "Own goals" aren't always by the klutz-conservatives.

4. The attack structure looks and sounds too much like a direct copy of Islamic terror strikes, down to swapping rifles, the IEDs and the suicide vest. At the risk of sounding entirely too cruel, I'd expect a more rational attack plan designed to maximize and localize casualties and damage, with riflemen to pick off anyone trying to flee.

5. The ABC story link above showed an image of a bare-chested man reacting to news of the attack, supposedly. Not sure how that sits with his imam, expect as a target for stoning. The chappie is wearing a piece of whitestone on a thong, carved in one of the traditional Maori patterns, probably a NZ$40-50 item from a shop. It's definitely not Islamic.

Time to see what develops.

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 6:23 AM  

Re: Candace Owens

Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes.

I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there.

I wonder how many of you interact regularly with Nationalists under the age of 40. Most of them need de-retarded.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 6:24 AM  

You're banned for shilling, M. Do you seriously not realize that the very urgency with which you guys are out in force today confirms what we already suspected?

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 6:28 AM  

I thought it was a ff, but Q was quick to respond he wasn't sure, he was online when it broke, it does attack every pop-cultural target on the right that would bother the left, but because he's Aussie and locals have known him... it gets harder to see how this wasn't an Aussie doing an organised version of Falling Down ala Michael Douglas. He was a student at Grafton high school in NSW and went on to work at a gym, where his former boss said he regularly volunteered his time to train kids for free. In April 2010, his father died suddenly of cancer aged 49, Tarrant being a #FuckingMillennial set off on a seven-year trip around the world. It was at some time during this journey that former friends now speculate he was “perhaps radicalised”. Yeah, he saw Europe and France.....

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 6:32 AM  

The skepticism is all perfectly reasonable, of course. But try to bear in mind, folks, this is the set that watches Romper Stomper to get their nut up.

Blogger tc March 15, 2019 6:35 AM  

Christchurch...wtf are mosques doing in a place like Christchurch?

I have watched this recording with tactical eyes.
Let us go into the " false flag" scenario.
I am not buying it. Mr Tarrant did more than OK for someone not being in the trade, but it is obvious, that he is not someone chosen(by someones) for his (unknown)abilities to deliver a strike of this magnitude. I have watched his demeanor, I'd guess him to be a legit layman(albeit in many ways talented for this kind of work)

Another fact, that needs to be considered is, that he(and his brothers in arms) are alive and well for now - thus the masters of the universe are not completely free to spin the tale(thus it might not have been organised by them - even though, the responsibility for this abortion is rightly placed upon them...

As to kebab chimping: yeah, be ready. It is coming.
You have been warned repeatedly to buy a sword.

I would advise a re read of the manifesto to everyone so inclined. Indeed, it is choke full of our well rehearsed talking points, and why the hell should it nor be?

We have valid grievances, explained away as lunacy and extremism , fragility snowflaking and whatever the eff not.

Well, seems like the snow storm is here.

As to a war with Iran, I do not wish for it. Matter of fact, I wish good fortune to all the well meaning Persians.

...but they all have to go home and live happily ever after, insallah.

It is really not complicated.

Blogger urthshu March 15, 2019 6:47 AM  

'Chilling' manifesto was actually hysterical. Included a fair amount of copypasta. Sounded like he was having a blast if you take in his music selection.

Anonymous Anonymous March 15, 2019 7:03 AM  

Still waiting for my paycheck actually.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 15, 2019 7:04 AM  

Yesterday, @LarrySchweikart, a person who sometimes challenges Q claims in order to suggest their falsity, started a thread in which the first Tweet stated the following:

"I am not Q. I have no special connections. But something struck me about the college cheating scandal. Do you remember this?"

He then included a Tweet from a journalist who reported that NCAA assistant basketball coaches were arrested by the FBI for corruption. The arrests took place October 2017.

Schweikart's thread coincides with the new reporting on Lisa Page, Strozk, Weismann leaving Mueller's team, and the sense of growing anticipation regarding the release of Mueller's report.

There is nothing unreasonable about entertaining the idea that this New Zealand attack contains some elements of a False Flag incident.



Two more things: 1) more of me disbelieves Q than believes but my disbelief is not thorough; 2) here is the entire thread from @LarrySchweikart:

https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1106277311349841920

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 15, 2019 7:09 AM  

Knew you would have a good take on this, Vox.

Everything about the suspect is too "good" for the left. Every last trope, right down to "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" before he started shooting. And I watched the footage from his head cam and it struck me as very military. Too military.

But most of all, the shills, leftists, and media, did not even take their time. They all came out with their usual crap all at the same time, like a machine. Nothing says op more than when leftists are lock step and synchronized.

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 7:12 AM  

Our local news is interviewing the townsfolk that knew him. I think he's a high IQ millennial, left in a regional town with little to do, he's taken off at a bad time to travel the world. What's interesting is who he met, or what jobs he might have taken. He visited Pakistan in October 2018 pleading with Imran Khan to open up visas to more people in the world, that's strange.

Those 7 years removed from Grafton is the stuff that will be telling.

Blogger Jamie-R March 15, 2019 7:19 AM  

Counter-terrorism police in NSW are digging into his travels, trying to locate what was going on once he left his hometown. You could point to somewhere along that time that he may have been employed as a spook. Or he was convinced by what he saw in the ISIS years of 2014 to 2016 in Europe & became a fully fledged white supremacist intent on infiltrating even Islamic nations to help them plan attacks, like enemy territory stuff, like they do in ours. Only way to explain his Pakistan comments outside of intel agency stuff. Pakis online are calling him an Indian spy, but the thread seems gay.

Blogger Valtandor Nought March 15, 2019 7:23 AM  

Not much about this makes sense. As noted, his so-called manifesto is a caricature, and it's very hard for a normal person with normal associates to get hold of that kind of weapon here, especially in numbers. For a recently arrived foreigner to be able to do so even through criminal channels would be even stranger, unless that foreigner was using connections he had already acquired while overseas.

The whole thing is both wicked and very fishy.

Blogger Damaris Tighe March 15, 2019 7:28 AM  

This is the first channer killing.

Blogger Stilicho March 15, 2019 7:34 AM  

"Two gunmen opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch"

Sounds... inevitable. At some point, "kill them here so we don't have to kill them over there" will be a motto.

Watch the reaction of normal people to this. I suspect you'll find a lot more "meh" than you would have a few years ago. A few years from now, there will be open cheering at such events.

Owen Benjamin made an excellent point about the moral level of warfare--although he couched it terms of a comedian dealing with a heckler as you might expect. Strike too soon and the crowd is against you. The key is too draw out the heckler until he is annoying everyone else. Then they'll cheer as you annihilate him. Strike too soon and you're just bullying one of the crowd. His takeaway was that it is important to judge the crowd's mood to know when to retaliate against someone attacking you. Too soon and you lose on the moral level, wait until you have them with you and they'll demand that fight back (for them).

On a side note, does this make NZ more or less attractive as the preferred billionaire bugout bunker location?

Blogger One Deplorable DT March 15, 2019 7:37 AM  

I'm not convinced it was a false flag, but I certainly would not rule that out at this point. In any case it's both A) the end result of mass migration, and B) a crisis which will be used to promote more globalism and the trampling of native rights.

This is not going to end well, and the globalists will have blood dripping from their hands before it is over.

Blogger Nathan Bruno March 15, 2019 7:38 AM  

People died last night in tornadoes that went through around Flint. What's the local news talking about? Detroit CAIR is denouncing "white supremacy" in New Zealand.

You can tell a manufactured crisis when they lead with it on local news: It's the same as when they led with Nathan Philips as some sympathetic little Indian war veteran who was mobbed by fifty rich white supremacists, and Flint TV's own Joel Fieck cried for him on the air - how many black youths were killed that night in violence that the TV doesn't care about?

I remember the first big, coordinated local news false flag: "The Return of Kings Rape Gang is coming to your neighborhood to teach rape at local coffee houses." The morning weather girl was afraid.

Blogger The Foolproof March 15, 2019 7:38 AM  

A good Twitter thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/CatlinNyaa/status/110637471018984652

tl;dr is that he’s goading left-wing governments and tech companies into censoring anyone right of center in order to genuinely radicalise them.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 15, 2019 7:47 AM  

Given the shooter's extensive travels overseas, he probably was "touched" by a foreign intell agency hostile to the Anglosphere in general and the U.S. in particular. One report says the shooter even visited North Korea. WTF! If I were the NZ authorities, priority number one would be to identify the shooter's controller and any related capabilities such as logistical support and site reconnaissance. This situation stinks to high heaven.

Blogger DJT March 15, 2019 7:49 AM  

Yes, the shooter worked hard to include every right wing meme, from Pewdiepie to one of the songs Mister Metokur plays on his streams. They're going for broke.

Blogger Salt March 15, 2019 7:52 AM  

"Ardern said none of the suspects were on any active terrorist watch lists and it was "not a matter of someone slipping under the radar."

Blogger ADS March 15, 2019 7:53 AM  

The shooter doesn't strike me as trained/military. He fumbles magazines all over the place, doesn't check corners, loiters in the area afterwards with no real plan.
If this is a false flag they did their research. "Remove kabab" music on the way in, "gas gas gas" on the getaway, navy seal copypasta in the manifesto, it all checks out.
I think his manifesto is copy/pasted from a serious source and then sprinkled with memes for teh lulz.
The only thing I have a question about is the presence but low visibility of other attackers/handlers, but information is still scarce.

Blogger SciVo March 15, 2019 7:55 AM  

I see no reason to change my heuristic: that direct attacks on immivaders will typically be false flags or retards, just because it's so bloody inefficient.

The Pittsburgh shooting, going after those importing the hostile aliens? That I believe was legit, because TPTB do not want ordinary people thinking in systems terms.

But evil men killing their own catspaws is totally plausible, like a pickpocket pretending to stumble -- drawing attention, but away from what matters.

Blogger Deus Vult March 15, 2019 7:57 AM  

Off-topic: John Scalzi has written three episodes for a new Netflix show Love Death and Robots. And they are exactly the quality you would expect. God-fucking-awful

Blogger tuberman March 15, 2019 8:05 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Knew you would have a good take on this, Vox.

Everything about the suspect is too "good" for the left. Every last trope, right down to "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" before he started shooting. And I watched the footage from his head cam and it struck me as very military. Too military.

But most of all, the shills, leftists, and media, did not even take their time. They all came out with their usual crap all at the same time, like a machine. Nothing says op more than when leftists are lock step and synchronized.


^^^THIS^^^
Always overdone, over the top.

Blogger Desdichado March 15, 2019 8:05 AM  

When they really have to worry, and I feel like maybe the time isn't very far off, is when a significant number of the right don't even condemn these kinds of attacks, and in fact see the perpetrators as heroes.

Blogger DJT March 15, 2019 8:09 AM  

Australian Senator rightly points out that the Muslims started it.

https://twitter.com/DaniloB4167559c/status/1106526936057212928

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 15, 2019 8:10 AM  

WAG to follow: Murderer is a bright enough man to know how to delegitimize the all too predictable scripts the right wing throws out there in their usual efforts to avoid the moral level of war.

False Flag narrative IMO that will gain at best a few percentage points of public opinion outside of zerohedge.

The usual right wing show your belly to the dominant dogs of the Left that is the murderers' big target.

If the murderer lives long enough to go to trial it will be ignored simply because he is bright enough to contest the moral level of war and the Left/establishment cannot have any right winger doing that.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 15, 2019 8:11 AM  

As with all of these shootings, wait and see.

And tell anyone who thinks this is because of "Islamophobia" to go and fornicate themselves with a rusty fork. I seem to recall a shooting at a church by an atheist a year and a half ago and nobody really gave a damn. Never mind that children and babies were murdered by a deranged atheist in that massacre.

Blogger Stilicho March 15, 2019 8:18 AM  

"Gunmen kill Christians at church in Islamabad" wouldn't even make the news.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2019 8:22 AM  

JACIII wrote:This won't phase any muslim population living outside muslim controlled territories. There is infinitely more chaos, filth, and murder where they left than can be visited upon them in the West short of autonomous killbots roaming the streets.

Mohammedans are autonomous killbots.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 8:22 AM  

He visited Pakistan in October 2018 pleading with Imran Khan to open up visas to more people in the world, that's strange.

Doesn't every channer? Sounds totally convincing and not at all like a government agent.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2019 8:24 AM  

Desdichado wrote:When they really have to worry, and I feel like maybe the time isn't very far off, is when a significant number of the right don't even condemn these kinds of attacks, and in fact see the perpetrators as heroes.

Other than the usual cuckservatives and evangelicucks, I think we're there.

Blogger Dr Caveman March 15, 2019 8:25 AM  

To me it looks like a guy who is genuinely upset about the Muslim invasion of the West. But someone outfitted him.
NZ has very restrictive gun laws, and it would be almost impossible for a foreigner to obtain multiple shotguns/semi-automatic rifles within the few months he was in NZ. Someone gave those to him

Blogger InformationMerchant March 15, 2019 8:27 AM  

For once I doubt this was a false flag.

He had arguments from nationalists in his manifesto yet didn't throw anyone under the bus. Instead of coming out as right wing with a bunch of alt right and alt lite names, he credited Spyro the Dragon and Candice Owens. He didn't come out as right wing or left wing, he didn't even spitefully throw Trump under the bus.

It was a channer shitposting through both shooting and manifesto.

Even the 2A stuff. He said he wants the left to try to take the right's guns in the USA. Preemptively giving the right a "this is what the terrorist wanted" defence.

He tried to hurt the right the least amount possible which isn't remotely necessary for false flag. A seriously written manifesto would still be weaponized by the left even if the right thought it was a false flag, the cuck politicians wouldn't argue with it at all.

This happened how I'd expect it to happen by a typical channer planning to do this. I did expect bombs rather than guns but I can't think what I'd expect to be different if this wasn't a false flag.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box March 15, 2019 8:28 AM  

Similarly to the way the Mayor of London dismissed all of the knife attacks in London as something that just comes with the territory of living in a big city teaming with diversity - the globalists and their supporters are just going to have to accept a few little "kurfluffles" like this here and there. It's just all part of living in a world filled with diversity.

Blogger Dr Caveman March 15, 2019 8:30 AM  

Reminds me of the bomber guy who got arrested just before the 2018 election, driving his paneled van completely covered in pro-Trump propaganda. Too good to be true.
Anyone ever heard what happened to him after the election was over?

Blogger ADS March 15, 2019 8:33 AM  

https://youtu.be/sf6_DBqF7UQ
News channel falling for the navy seal copypasta

Blogger InformationMerchant March 15, 2019 8:37 AM  

@63 That guy didn't kill anyone with his cartoon bombs and it was right before an election. He also targeted like a clown. His Trump shrine of a van in a Dem stronghold was both the most unhelpful and most unlikely thing he could've driven.

Blogger Desdichado March 15, 2019 8:39 AM  

I called this a false flag on Breitbart. My comment went to pending, and then I was banned.

Sigh. I wish we had a REAL right wing source for news.

Blogger wreckage March 15, 2019 8:44 AM  

I dunno. There's a lot of apathy around this whole thing. There's a handful of "Everyone knew this was coming." There's even a little bit of "It's awful, sure, but they started it."

If it's a false-flag, I think it's going to be much less effective than hoped, because it calls to mind that this exact scenario has occurred the reverse way around across the globe and nobody in any official position gave a single damn.

As for it "not discouraging Muslims", I think it will discourage the economic migrants who are the bulk, rather than highly motivated extremists.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2019 8:53 AM  

wreckage wrote:As for it "not discouraging Muslims", I think it will discourage the economic migrants who are the bulk, rather than highly motivated extremists.

That bulk are the sea in which the motivated extremists swim.

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 8:53 AM  

False flag or no -- I believe I've said this here before -- Chad and his merry band of fun lovin' criminals will ride, in perfectly good conscience.

Indeed, should Trump lose in 2020, which I now put at 60/40 yea, I expect the Year of Lone Wolfery in the United States to begin towards the end of that year, if not sooner. Scaled, plodding, grouped attacks soon thereafter. This will be the norm until the economic can can no longer be punted. Then things get interesting.

Anyone not of the West needs to leave it, posthaste, because it's about to clean it's room.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 15, 2019 8:56 AM  

Yeah if it were an Aussie SAS officer I would assume ChristChurch would be a smoking pit right about now.

I wouldn't mind it being found out that it was a intelligence agency assisted event simply to discredit the same agency. But at the most I think these events at most are "he was on the radar, but not enough evidence to do anything if we even cared about it."

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 15, 2019 9:02 AM  

Small correction: Hadji women and children aren't innocent. Period. It was stupid to fight them over there, but let's not kid ourselvesbeyond rhetoric here.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 15, 2019 9:07 AM  

A lot of people seem to think a false flag means it's fake, as if you're saying no one died and it was all performed by crisis actors. Sometimes that's the case, but that's not what the term means. A false flag is an attack which was arranged to be blamed on someone other than the real perpetrators. If someone said, "We're in trouble right now with Strzok/Page exposing our treason, Mueller still coming up empty, Trump's base cheering his veto, and the Epstein stuff could blow up next week. Get one of our infiltrated white nationalist groups to shoot up a place," that's a false flag even if some of the shooters were sincere.

When you've literally been thinking all week, "There hasn't been a time more primed for a false flag distraction in months. Where is it?" you kinda have to start there.

Blogger Roman Daoist March 15, 2019 9:11 AM  

That was actually difficult to watch.
I've seen videos of Iraq and Syria of people getting shot and blown up and it was what it was but in an urban setting like that... Fuck.

Lesson learned. Don't go 'hiding' in a corner. Find a door. Or break a window and jump. Deep lacerations are better than n holes in body/head. The four rules are leave, leave, leave, and make distance under cover (or from cover to cover). That guy that ran into the shooter didn't make it but _could_ have if he had had a little martial arts... Could have been Muslim Hero Extraordinaire.

If you can't get away then go berserk. If a couple dudes went proper ape-shit, again, it could have been different.

To those suggesting it was a false flag, do you not see the splatter and the later pools of blood?

What's with the crazy driving at the end? Wouldn't you want to gently blend out?

I reckon there will be retaliations but the big plan will continue until it either succeeds or is stopped. "YOu have democracy but we have demography".

Blogger Lazarus March 15, 2019 9:11 AM  

The daily mail has a picture of some of his gear with names written in white on them. The caption reads:

The shooter's weapons were marked with the names of other people who have carried out past attacks

Real quality journalism. One of these heinous individuals was Marco Antonio Bragadin. He was flayed alive be Ottomans in 1571.

He was listening to a cheezy Serbian fight song called Remove Kebab on the way to the party.

Oh the banality.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2019 9:11 AM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:Small correction: Hadji women and children aren't innocent. Period. It was stupid to fight them over there, but let's not kid ourselvesbeyond rhetoric here.

Indeed. Mohammedans are always at war with us, even when we are not at war with them.

Blogger Andrew Brown March 15, 2019 9:12 AM  

I watched the whole Go Pro video. It was very suspicious.
His gun skill was excellent, noticing jams instantly, even commenting on how he didn't have time to aim down the sights. One Muzzy tried to run past him, tripped him over but he shot him as he fell over with him. As he walked out, he shot a woman moving but the angle was between two walls, the shot was perfect. He even finished her, then ran her over. Dude was definitely a professional killer.
Then there was the memes involved, playing Remove Kebab, saying subscribe to PewDiePie.
And now Vox is saying the manifesto looks like it was put together by multiple authors. Gotta be a false flag.
I wonder what was the soldiers motivation? Or did the cabal kidnap his family. The supposed mother, in a news report, didn't look traumatised in the slightest. Something fishy going on with her too.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2019 9:13 AM  

Roman Daoist wrote:To those suggesting it was a false flag, do you not see the splatter and the later pools of blood?

False flags make real bodies.

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 9:13 AM  

To those suggesting it was a false flag, do you not see the splatter and the later pools of blood?

Read @72

What's with the crazy driving at the end? Wouldn't you want to gently blend out?

Adrenaline.

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 9:14 AM  

And lack of training....

Blogger Roman Daoist March 15, 2019 9:17 AM  

#72
That is true. But after reading (most of) the manifesto, and his jockey-ing around during the event, I reckon this guy was executing 'as per the packaging'. A false flag in this case, as in most it seems, would be if the terrorists wound up dead.

Blogger Garuna March 15, 2019 9:18 AM  

I called this a false flag on Breitbart. My comment went to pending, and then I was banned.

Cernovich said that Breitbart wants to be a "respeckted" outlet like The Hill. So they cucked.

That was actually difficult to watch. I've seen videos of Iraq and Syria of people getting shot and blown up and it was what it was but in an urban setting like that... Fuck.

I don't think it was difficult to watch at all. All the "part and parcel" terrorism has become numbing. I doubt this news cycle lasts even a week.

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 9:20 AM  

Dude was definitely a professional killer

Like this one?

Blogger Garuna March 15, 2019 9:22 AM  

Christchurch Shooting OST

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 9:23 AM  

Reading that "news" article, the FIVEYES pops up in a supposed manifesto quote:

He boasted that he chose to use firearms so he could influence politics in the US.

He wrote that he wanted to "create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide".

And he ranted about his hopes that "this conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines."


The Aussies and Brits have been absolutely FRANTIC (according to Q) because they are up to their perfidious necks in the treason committed here in the States against the candidate, elected president, and God Emperor in office. They too have been whining and agitating that the FISA stuff NOT be released; that the whole thing been kept classified...

And, if Q is real -- and I'm still at about 80% -- the "Q Team" has SHUT THEM OUT of the U.S. satellites (Corona, et al.) and the NSA supercomputers (known as the "Seven Dwarves").

Things that make you go "hhhmmmmm."

Blogger English Tom March 15, 2019 9:25 AM  

Isn't it interesting that we have had a growing media interest into right wing extremism, and then this happens.

Look for some severely draconian legislation to come out in Western countries aimed at ANYONE espousing right wing anti immigrant views. There will be a concerted push by the (((media))) to put such people beyond the pale.

Internet/social media crackdowns incoming.

Blogger Dave Dave March 15, 2019 9:26 AM  

The "manifesto" literally said that it was an acceleration tactic to get the left to "overstep". This is the most blatant false flag attack that isn't in the Middle East. Interesting that this happens on the same day that Israel bombs the Gaza strip heavily.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 9:26 AM  

This is the lamest most obvious false flag I've seen... maybe ever. As bad as our government is at false flags... even they have to be facepalming over this one.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 9:27 AM  

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point there is a budget produced with aid to new Zealand for false flag training.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell March 15, 2019 9:29 AM  

The victims did not deserve to be brutally murdered but I don't really care much about the shooting because I never met any of them and they live across the ocean. I only really have energy enough to care about people I know or at least share the same society with.

On a side note I'm sure the New Zealand metal band Alien Weaponry will write a song about it...

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 15, 2019 9:32 AM  

If it's a false-flag, I think it's going to be much less effective than hoped

Agreed. The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a classic story because it's true. They've used it too many times. I was amazed how little effect there was from the *synagogue* shooting last year. It might have swung some votes in the midterm, but probably not any important races. Granted, the shooter was anti-Trump, but the media could finesse that. Mostly everyone spent a few minutes agreeing it was sad and moved on.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums March 15, 2019 9:34 AM  

Before the news broke on MSM I downloaded the manifesto and it had 74 pages. Then the first article I read it mentions a 34 page manifesto. Then after the news broke on Drudge the manifesto had 90 pages. The error might be because of a formatting issue but it did jump out to me.

I also read his 8chan post and seemed legitimate as in he was talking exactly like someone fluent in board-lingo. However he didn't mention that others were involved nor did he link to any of the other alleged livestreams out there of the other shootings.

It didn't look like he killed 48 people in the video (initial estimate was 20) nor did it look like anyone survived like articles are claiming because he double-tapped the corpses as he was walking out.

The initial rumor was that the shooter killed himself (which was implied by his 8chan post), then it changed that he was killed by cops, then it changed to he was captured by cops.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 15, 2019 9:37 AM  

@Roman Taoist

Man you're a weak little dicky, aint you? Try watching police body and car can and various other cams involving them getting into deadly shootouts and stuff on youtube for a couple weeks. Try looking at photos of military medical personnel doing surgery on kids that were partially blown up. Why, just watch videos of people giving birth. All those things are significantly more hard to stomach and will have to be syomached if anyone wants to make a change in this world, good or ill.

Blogger Dave Dave March 15, 2019 9:42 AM  

The true perpetrators, those who follow the narrative of multiculturalism and write laws that favour foreigners over nationals, won't face the reality that they caused this. If you import a group of people incompatible with the nation, they will either cause violence or have violence used against them. This will keep happening around the world.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 9:42 AM  

@9 "but many silent citizens will not look disapprovingly at the Australian"

Maybe the guy should've changed his name -- I believe this is ALREADY a Saint Brendan in the pantheon? Saint Brendan Tarrant? Eh, okay, I guess.

Maybe we need to get some metallurgist to start striking medals...

Slightly shame-faced admission: okay-so, more than a year ago, I bought a necklace that is a silver-colored "Q" in a circle -- and that is the necklace I wear anytime I leave the house. I saw a young fellow at Costco with his Costco nametag that had on it "Q" and no other name. I approved; when I showed him my Q necklace, he said he wanted to get a bumper sticker for his car. I said I had thought of that, but did NOT want my nice car trashed and damaged by the SJWs... and left him looking VERY thoughtful.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 15, 2019 9:46 AM  

He's also a true channer. He even included the Navy Seal copypasta during the op.

Using copypasta, praising Candace Owens while saying she's too extreme right, and promoting PewDiePie is chan-style humor for sure. But the spooks also watch and study the chans, and they would have no trouble replicating that attitude. They could have copied and pasted lines from there for the manifesto, which would explain why it seems that way.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 9:49 AM  

@20 "I don't blame the Islamist for being what he is anymore than I blame a dog for being a dog. The Islamist didn't invite himself in."

And so, like a rabid dog who did not "invite himself in" -- you must kill the rabid dogs to protect your family and people! SORRY that the dog is diseased and dangerous; only partly his fault. NOTHING excuses the responsibility to protect our own against rabid dogs!

Don't get weak. THEY won't be when they come for our family!

Blogger Hammerli280 March 15, 2019 9:50 AM  

The one issue I have with false flag suspicions is that it's hard to find a fanatic who will do it on demand. The Moslems can get suicidal fanatics, but they are using religion. The Western secular Left can't offer that. Ideology? Maybe (I'm convinced this was behind the Las Vegas shootings, it's the only rationale that fits the facts).

OTOH, the timing on most of these mass shootings does tend to be so very, very convenient for the Left.

Blogger Dave Dave March 15, 2019 9:54 AM  

@97. It's a reasonable assumption that the guy believed what he said. False flags aren't necessarily a total setup and just require pushing a cornered man to do something drastic. Just like Port Arthur, this is a false flag.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 9:56 AM  

@30 "Tarrant ... set off on a seven-year trip around the world. It was at some time during this journey ... he was "perhaps radicalised"."

My thought when I read where he went was: since he loved kids and worked with them; perhaps seeing moslem kids being effed by moslems broke him? That Spec Ops soldier who beat the hell out of the police chief in Afghanistan for raping a 10-yr-old boy and nearly got thrown out of the service could certainly be an example to drive a young awake man to violence?

Blogger Garuna March 15, 2019 9:57 AM  

praising Candace Owens while saying she's too extreme right

Gotta be honest, that part made me laugh out loud for real. Here it is in full for anyone interested:

Q: IS THERE A PARTICULAR PERSON THAT RADICALIZED YOU THE MOST?
A: Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes.

Blogger Dave Dave March 15, 2019 10:00 AM  

As far as comedic political terrorists go, Tarrant ranks quite highly. I got a laugh out of the Spyro comment and the navy seal bit.

Blogger Centurion Revolt March 15, 2019 10:00 AM  

:popcorn:

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 10:01 AM  

The one issue I have with false flag suspicions is that it's hard to find a fanatic who will do it on demand.

The most successful false flags are actuated by those adept enough at manipulating their enemies into implementing them, "on demand" or otherwise.

You are also assuming the man is a "fanatic".

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 10:02 AM  

@42 "This is not going to end well, and the globalists will have blood dripping from their hands before it is over."

You left out a phrase:
"the globalists will have EVEN MORE blood dripping from their hands"
FIFY

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 10:03 AM  

To those suggesting it was a false flag, do you not see the splatter and the later pools of blood?

You clearly don't know what a "false flag" is. It does not mean that the event did not happen, it means that there is deception concerning who committed the action and their reasons for committing it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 15, 2019 10:04 AM  

The one issue I have with false flag suspicions is that it's hard to find a fanatic who will do it on demand.

True. It might be so hard to find someone that you'd have to go all the way to the other side of the world from the place you'd prefer to be doing it.

Blogger Joe Smith March 15, 2019 10:04 AM  

Even the person Vox quoted, who obviously correctly sees the problem with Islam in the west, translated Dar al-Islam as the house of peace rather than submission. Interesting.

Blogger Roman Daoist March 15, 2019 10:08 AM  

#70
Yeah if it were an Aussie SAS officer I would assume ChristChurch would be a smoking pit right about now.


I support your assertion. A former boss was an Aussie Commando Team Leader. Great guy. Just had to stand on a chair to see eye to eye is all. Built like a Brick Shit House. ~220cm, i guess at least 120kg but fat like an olympic diver.

This shooter was focused but not a professional. Maybe we can settle on "enthusiast".

VD. Per your Update, is there a manifesto that can be convincing? And no he doesn't look like a SAS officer. BEcause all SAS/Commandos look like Chuck Norris.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 10:08 AM  

@60 "To me it looks like a guy who is genuinely upset about the Muslim invasion of the West. But someone outfitted him."

Yup. There's a word for that: um, pat... uh, pat-something?

Oh yeah PATSY!

Blogger mushroom March 15, 2019 10:13 AM  

Ever wonder if Timothy McVeigh was really executed after only 5 years on death row? Ever wonder why a guy who masterminded OKC passed a marked patrol car on I-35 in a car with no plates? Maybe he was an idiot. Maybe he was a patsy. Maybe he was an asset.

Blogger English Tom March 15, 2019 10:17 AM  

@Hammerli280

Check out MK Ultra. Wind up toys are easy to create.

Blogger ant becker March 15, 2019 10:20 AM  

He's banned me on Twitter as "he doesn't like it up him" to paraphrase 'Dads Army' :)

Blogger FUBARwest March 15, 2019 10:20 AM  

Candace Owen's being an extremist is enough to know the manifesto is a troll job.

Not sure what this is supposed to realistically accomplish one way or another. This isnt going to stop the nationalist movements from growing.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 10:20 AM  

Per your Update, is there a manifesto that can be convincing?

Read the Unabomber's manifesto. It's legit. Then compare it to this Q&A pastiche.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 10:21 AM  

@90 "Mostly everyone spent a few minutes agreeing it was sad and moved on."

Sadiq Khan was correct; it IS part and parcel of living in a moslem-invaded nation!
(Oh wait, I guess maybe he didn't QUITE say it that way? Eh, same-o/same-o!)

Blogger Roman Daoist March 15, 2019 10:22 AM  

92
Man you're a weak little dicky, aint you?


Thing is I don't enjoy watching suffering, like a normal person. Why would I want to "[look] at photos of military medical personnel doing surgery on kids that were partially blown up"? Are you ill?

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 10:30 AM  

@116 "Thing is I don't enjoy watching suffering, like a normal cuck. Why would I want to "[look] at photos of military medical personnel doing surgery on kids that were partially blown up"? Are you ill?"

Are you weak?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 15, 2019 10:31 AM  

@Roman Taoist

Man, not only are you a total wuss who's gonna be near useless when things get kinetic real fast because you're gonna be too busy puking at the awful things you're gonna see, but you can't comprehend what you read worth anything can you. Point to me in what I said where the words enjoyment or any synonym thereof were even uttered let alone in a context that favors your stupidity, weakling?

Blogger FUBARwest March 15, 2019 10:34 AM  

How can people tell he is a professional vs well practiced with his weaponry? Wouldn't regular citizens who train and practice be as proficient?

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 15, 2019 10:35 AM  

If the Islamists continue to play the long game they win by default; Birth rates.

Just imagine if the Germans could have had people sit on welfare in foreign/infidel nations and breed. Wouldn't have need any Panzer tanks. All that Saudi money got to be going somewhere.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 15, 2019 10:36 AM  

If this isn't a false flag it's a deepfake.

Blogger sammibandit March 15, 2019 10:41 AM  

Beware the Ides of March.

Blogger Garuna March 15, 2019 10:43 AM  

If the Islamists continue to play the long game they win by default; Birth rates.

And what about their death rate today against just one guy who'd had enough? Look at the video of them huddled in the corners playing possum. The great Islamic invasion of the 21st century is nothing formidable. It's just been enabled by widespread inaction and cowardice.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 15, 2019 10:49 AM  

Garuna wrote:If the Islamists continue to play the long game they win by default; Birth rates.

And what about their death rate today against just one guy who'd had enough? Look at the video of them huddled in the corners playing possum. The great Islamic invasion of the 21st century is nothing formidable. It's just been enabled by widespread inaction and cowardice.


Well as long as the Army is ethnically enough New Zealander and Anglo-Saxon. That's what it may come down to. The One or Two guys were probably a false flag. Even Brevik was heavily influence by John Stuart Mill, the whole convergence BS.

There any viable counterstrike, to avoid the humiliation of being destroyed by the same technology Western Civilisation created. Christianity or bust? Something more tangible?

Blogger Dave Dave March 15, 2019 10:52 AM  

@123. Again, the false flag is that he's doing it to get the left to react and try and restrict freedoms. The goal is to do something radical to provoke a radical response which has a lot of backlash to it.

Blogger FUBARwest March 15, 2019 10:59 AM  

"The great Islamic invasion of the 21st century is nothing formidable. It's just been enabled by widespread inaction and cowardice."

Dont underestimate your enemy. The conflict isn't going to be easy and posturing doesnt help.

Blogger Roman Daoist March 15, 2019 11:02 AM  

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Blogger tc March 15, 2019 11:02 AM  

One more thought: This man has had ample opprtunities to select his target.

He could've visited establishments aplenty worthy of his ire and I am not going to speculate here, but there he would' ve caused untold collateral damage. It appears he doesn't have a single direct caucasian victim...

Blogger Lithium Soul March 15, 2019 11:08 AM  

This is a false flag, its just a to perfect setup with the memes, name dropping PewDiePie and Candace Owens.

Also, I do not care that the followers of a deathcult lead by a schizophrenic goat-raping pedophile warlord have been Aloha-Snackbar'd and given a dose of their own medicine.

Blogger Jeroth March 15, 2019 11:08 AM  

The manifesto rings pretty true. The Unabomber didn't write his ironically. This guy attributed his nationalism to playing Spyro the Dragon, and said he was radicalized by Candace Owens. It was obviously a joke. This kind of hyper irony is common among moderately intelligent white men raised on the internet.

That said, it could definitely be a false flag. But if so, they did a good pretty good job with the manifesto.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky March 15, 2019 11:10 AM  

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Blogger Jeroth March 15, 2019 11:11 AM  

Unknown wrote:The meaning of false flag is THE ENEMY wearing your flag to create a backlash against you.

Here the guy is a good guy who is attacking the enemy, in an extreme way to exacerbate the conflict and finally bring a resolution.

Calling that a false flag is misleading.


I would rethink what you wrote there. You are obviously a little confused.

Blogger Jeroth March 15, 2019 11:12 AM  

In fact, the manifesto almost reads like something our good old friend Microchip would write.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky March 15, 2019 11:13 AM  

I really don't understand why mozzie women are so enthusiastic about their pimp-cult. Correct me if I'm wrong but none of them go to paradise when they die anyway, so what's there to be enthused about?

Blogger AaMcavoy March 15, 2019 11:19 AM  

FUBARwest wrote:How can people tell he is a professional vs well practiced with his weaponry? Wouldn't regular citizens who train and practice be as proficient?

How did this guy train and practice? How did he get his guns? Australia only allows single shot/bolt action rifles, iirc. How did he get them in NZ, if he was a foreigner?

Did he train/practice in another country? He doesn't seem discreet, so digging up contacts shouldn't be hard, if he trained for 3 gun in Europe or something.

Perhaps he trained with airsoft? Then he'd have the gear and acquaintances in the community.

Smells fishy.

Blogger Garuna March 15, 2019 11:22 AM  

Dont underestimate your enemy.

There is nothing to underestimate. The recent Muslim invaders haven't arrived by doing something fearsome or impressive. They're being invited in due to fear of being called bad words. These are just the facts that are not up for debate.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 15, 2019 11:22 AM  

Wouldn’t false flags and authentic Reconquista have the exact same effect on the public? Even if there was no manifesto, the fact that he was a non-Muslim and used a gun is enough to fuel the lefts agenda.

Blogger Sparrow March 15, 2019 11:31 AM  

"So, don't bother pretending to be shocked or upset."

Here in NZ people are genuinely shocked and upset. The attitude in NZ has been that terrorism is something that happens overseas, so this has shattered the illusion.
The gun laws here aren't as strict as Australia, but they soon will be. Also, this will probably result in arming our police.

There was a recent article about arming police in Christchurch, dated 5 March 2019:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111005499/arming-frontline-police-will-not-make-police-and-the-public-safer

Also the Bangladesh Cricket Team is in Christchurch at the moment, and the international test match due to start on Sunday has been cancelled. Apparently the cricketers were almost involved:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/15/sport/bangladesh-cricketers-new-zealand-mosque-spt-intl/index.html


Blogger Sparrow March 15, 2019 11:38 AM  

"How did this guy train and practice? How did he get his guns? Australia only allows single shot/bolt action rifles, iirc."

NZ is not Australia, you can buy an AR 15 with a chainsaw bayonet here.

Blogger Borsabil March 15, 2019 11:48 AM  

When I heard about the shooting being done by an Aussie I thought Rambot2020 had gone the full sperg. Imagine my disappointment.

FF? No Australian man uses the word 'cobber', which means mate/friend, in this day and age. But then he was being deliberately ironic no? So really who knows? Maybe he was a patsy.

But does it matter, real or fake, when the results are the same? Kebab is gonna chimp out, the NPCs are going to virtue signal and the chans are going to be shut down.

What's really crazy is that if a small dedicated group with real military training decided to start shit they'd be well nigh impossible to stop, especially in a country like New Zealand.

Blogger Balam March 15, 2019 11:52 AM  

It is obvious to anyone with a braincell that if this was an actual political dissident who took in the meme kool aid he would go after (((decision makers))) in high up political offices. This is very much like the fake hate crime graffiti where the liar will say their house was spray painted but the only surfaces sprayed are those easily cleaned like car doors, front doors, windows and walls. Never the furniture, expensive car rims or any damage done that would cost too much to fix. In that manner a false flag attack will never truly hurt those who perpetrated it, in this case any of the ruling class who would have had to cooperate to make it happen.

Blogger English Tom March 15, 2019 11:55 AM  

@Roman Daoist

The reason you were asked to look at horrific videos is because you can become inured to the pain and suffering so you can effectively manage the social situations that are about to swamp the world.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 11:59 AM  

Go away, Unknown. No shills are permitted to comment here.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 12:01 PM  

But if so, they did a good pretty good job with the manifesto.

No, they really didn't. It was clearly a cut-and-paste job with multiple authors.

Blogger Iron Spartan March 15, 2019 12:02 PM  

This is a tailor made attack designed to get Full Chan and Half Chan taken down. Everything else is theater.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 12:03 PM  

Here in NZ people are genuinely shocked and upset. The attitude in NZ has been that terrorism is something that happens overseas, so this has shattered the illusion.

Of course they are. They thought they were safe, and special, and they were an exception to the rule. Many Americans still believe that.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 12:04 PM  

Long for whatever you want, English Tom, but do not articulate it here.

Blogger AaMcavoy March 15, 2019 12:05 PM  

Sparrow wrote:"How did this guy train and practice? How did he get his guns? Australia only allows single shot/bolt action rifles, iirc."

NZ is not Australia, you can buy an AR 15 with a chainsaw bayonet here.


Honest question: Can a foreigner?

Blogger Jeroth March 15, 2019 12:06 PM  

VD wrote:No, they really didn't. It was clearly a cut-and-paste job with multiple authors.

Perhaps. You are the experienced editor, so I will defer. It just reminded me a lot of Micro's twitter philosophy: cause as much confusion as possible.

Blogger Unknown March 15, 2019 12:06 PM  

VD wrote:Go away, Unknown. No shills are permitted to comment here.

Ok I leave. I encourage anyone to read the manifesto to make his opinion.

Blogger Borsabil March 15, 2019 12:32 PM  

@148 Aussies in New Zealand aren't really foreigners. Think Canadians in the US or Irish in the UK, only much more so. Australians are given automatic permanent residency on entry, and vice versa. No need for visas. As a permanent resident he'd have every right to apply for a gun license. I'm no expert on Kiwi gun laws but I know they're a lot slacker than ours.

Blogger AaMcavoy March 15, 2019 12:45 PM  

Borsabil wrote:@148 Aussies in New Zealand aren't really foreigners. Think Canadians in the US



Thanks.

Blogger AaMcavoy March 15, 2019 12:47 PM  

Also, how has no one dankly urged to Beware the Ides of March?

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 12:51 PM  

I repeat: Go away, Unknown. No shills are permitted to comment here.

Blogger Raker_T March 15, 2019 12:51 PM  

Right in the middle of a job, checking the 'net for pictures of an antique I'm restoring . . .so, sorry for not reading the comments, yet. Here's what I'm contemplating out in the shop: Back in the border wars between Missouri and Kansas, at one point a Union officer issued what I think was general order #11. Several counties in western Missouri were burned to the ground; in an effort to halt material support to the Bushwackers.
It's more time consuming for someone to move from the middle to the right, because it's a process. First, you get irrefutable proof. Then you admit that you've been wrong for years. Then you start wonder how this will work out in your life. Whereas moving from the middle to the left is faster, as it's all emotional reactionary stuff. So, could it be that a goal of these incidents is to remove support for right wing guys if or when the CW2.0 starts? Interesting timing for red flag laws.

Blogger Duke Nukem March 15, 2019 1:00 PM  

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Blogger Wayne March 15, 2019 1:14 PM  

When I woke up this morning, I saw this artificially pumped to the top of Hacker News (they don't even hide it anymore):
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-15/facebook-youtube-blind-sided-by-mosque-shooter-s-live-video

To me this headline reads: "There were suspicious outages across social media over the last few days that not even the geeks believe - and now there's a false flag to follow."
Literally you can tell that there is a false flag by reading this headline, and how they plan to spin it. It is very unlikely that any real humans died.
It is so formulaic now that I don't even need to read anything to know. PewDiePie is icing on the cake - basically screaming to us all: "haha - and you're not allowed to call anything a false flag publicly!"

But alas, I googled "new zealand false flag" and found your blog immediately. Thanks Vox.

Blogger Roman Daoist March 15, 2019 1:16 PM  

VD, re BT vs. Unabomber manifestos. BT is not an academic and is hardly trying to be but, his work does seem self consistent - in a tom-foolery kind of way. If a handler wanted it to be respected (as an anti-work) then they could have at least fixed the damn punctuation .Know what I mean? Second, why would the handlers allow the video and the manifesto, then half shut down the internet in NZ to block that same content? You can't have it both ways. Either the manifesto is intended to demonstrate what bad thought looks like _or_ it's to be purged - and it's being purged.

(And I got your note re false flags. A real event to redirect suspicion as opposed to not real.)

Blogger Gary Larry March 15, 2019 1:19 PM  

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Blogger NO GOOGLES March 15, 2019 1:20 PM  

IDK, if it's a true "false flag" (eg. some government operative or associate carrying this out) I doubt the manifesto would read like that. Way TOO ironic, over the top, and too many memes or inside jokes. Plus the music. Could still be a false flag in that the actor was sincere but his "handler" manipulated him.

So far the most convincing explanation seems to be the "accelerationist" one. He's trying to fan the flames to get people off the benches and into the game. I've heard too many people take that line of reasoning to discount it.

Blogger xevious2030 March 15, 2019 1:36 PM  

I recognize the all caps first (idea), underline second (Example), and then elaboration in between (detail) third, style of writing. It looks like the result of an outlining style for a bullet point list of statements. The Q&A does look like the perspective of at least two other people, one sympathetic, and one not. One possibility for the Q&A is the individual was simply pulling questions other people had asked him, say through a variety of chats/e-mails/blogs/interactions, and then elaborating.

Blogger Gary Larry March 15, 2019 2:08 PM  

Sorry, but... I still don't get it.

If this whole thing is a false flag... and if the guy wasn't legit but a government agent, and if the manifesto was a cut-and-paste job by a bunch of authors...

I mean, that's kinda like taking real people with real motives out of the equation. What about Breivik? How do we know that wasn't a false flag too?

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 15, 2019 2:49 PM  

Given the number of red-pilled Millennials I've seen on /pol and in other places, I'm inclined to believe that this is real.

Lots of people in the Antipodes are sick of Muslims and recognise them for what they are.
I grew up in New Zealand and I was also present at the Cronulla Riots (also about Muslims). - Young, White men here are enraged with being told "White Man Bad, Brown/Black Man Good, You Are Rayciss If You Disagree", despite the obvious fact that those others are mostly dysfunctional and of obviously lower intelligence.

I received quite a number of messages yesterday, the gist of which was "We don't care what happens to Muslims".

Blogger SirHamster March 15, 2019 3:01 PM  

Roman Daoist wrote:Thing is I don't enjoy watching suffering, like a normal person.

You may want to reevaluate what a "normal person" is.

The average Westerner is a tame housecat, but there's still an apex predator underneath all that. And either that predator will come out to defend and rebuild Western Civ, or the West is going extinct.

The average man being squeemish about violence is as normal as a man being afraid of spiders. It isn't normal. You can't outsource the mindset or the work and still keep your society.

Blogger xevious2030 March 15, 2019 3:03 PM  

@162 On mine (#161), the bunch of authors hypothesized was limited to the source of the questions (not answers). That the dude may have been talking about these ideas with others, and these were just some questions he had been asked in such day to day encounters. To me, and, that’s just me, sections 1 and 2, read like an outline. Example, one of the early college assignments I was given was to come up with an outline, and elaborate on that outline, as a technique for developing writing (as a technique to overcome writers block). At the start, my 20 pages looked like his last 50 pages (in a Lorem Ipsum sense), and was just about as painful to read (in terms of quality of work). In other words, that much is plausible without conspiracy. Were it not for that experience, it would look like some hodge-podge thrown together, for the purpose of being a basis for talking points (the later anti nationalist MSN commentary) and government responses/laws (not just New Zealand). I have not seen the video, and so have nothing to add in relation to that or the combination of video and text.

Blogger xevious2030 March 15, 2019 3:15 PM  

One item of note is the reporting is pulling quotes (which are few), but is not linking to the document. And unlike the Unabomber, the document is being deleted. Wall to wall “he published a manifesto,” but actually finding it requires a little more digging than most people are likely to do. That’s telling.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 15, 2019 3:36 PM  

The pewdiepie bit in the manifesto confirms this as a false flag with the goal of deplatforming and tightening censorship

Blogger Boorn Boorm March 15, 2019 3:40 PM  

By 2013, we all knew that the US internet comms are surveilled like the matrix. I would be a fool to think it is different in NZ with PM Ardern's connections to globalists. For this 8channer to fly under the radar is such a huge red flag I can cover the entire bull with it!

NOT in vain, for the love of God, he prepared a LIVE STREAM. This is shit that could have been suppressed by local PD or at least reduced.

Blogger robomuff March 15, 2019 3:46 PM  

If I thought it was a false flag, I'd say so. This one seems real-ish. Entirely possible these men were sincere in what they wrote and did, but were egged on by some special agency (wouldn't be the first time).

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 3:50 PM  

Who watches this and thinks "identity politics?" Assuming you don't immediately think false flag, any normal person would stop at Clash of Civilization, religious war, race war, or diversity proximity. Jordy is seriously out of line bringing up his personal bete noire, and in a civilized society he'd be called out for it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 15, 2019 3:53 PM  

One item of note is the reporting is pulling quotes (which are few), but is not linking to the document.

And they won't. Regardless of who wrote it or copy-and-pasted it, it contains far too much straightforward badthink amongst the memes and goofy bits for them to want anyone reading it who hasn't been inoculated by years of journalism school. Just watch the TV and social media, and they'll be sure to let you know what it was about.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 3:57 PM  

@166- The Unabomber threatened to blow stuff up if his manifesto went unpublished, and the Feebs thought publishing it might help catch him. (Which it did.) Neither condition is present in this case.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 3:59 PM  

@36- They are not the real enemy. That would be the traitors in our midst.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 4:00 PM  

@173- *@136

Blogger Boorn Boorm March 15, 2019 4:06 PM  

@72
maybe watch for leaks of "stand down" orders like in Florida shooting.

Blogger SciVo March 15, 2019 4:07 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:I was amazed how little effect there was from the *synagogue* shooting last year. ... Mostly everyone spent a few minutes agreeing it was sad and moved on.

That's because, as I alluded to above, TPTB absolutely do not want people talking about why that synagogue was targeted.

Gary Larry wrote:What about Breivik? How do we know that wasn't a false flag too?

Because he ignored the cat's paw and struck at the cat.

The fake Seminole, fake Chippendale, fake bomber was probably a twofer: a retard and a patsy. The targets for his fake bombs read like a list of people that leftists think are important.

If the Attack Channer has normal IQ and was not controlled by anti-nationalists, then he was trolling IRL. I suppose that it's possible that it was a brilliant piece of performance art that also happened to kill a lot of people, but then wow. I'm speechless.

Blogger Boorn Boorm March 15, 2019 4:09 PM  

@170
It's gets irritating, because that's Peterson's entire schtick. If only we all dispensed with "identity politics" this wouldn't happen. WOW, EINSTEIN, great insight, except you know damn well we have millenia of written history showing that it's like trying to plow water.

Blogger Hari Seldon March 15, 2019 4:12 PM  

Roman Daoist wrote:If a handler wanted it to be respected (as an anti-work) then they could have at least fixed the damn punctuation .Know what I mean?

The irregular pronunciation makes the manifesto less credible to me. The document is sufficiently coherent and grammatically correct that the author should know how to use the spacebar correctly.

The strange use of spacing suggests that someone was trying to make the "author" look like a ranting nutjob. It seems ham-fisted and fake, like the bizarre and incongruous reference to Candace Owens as BT's greatest influence.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 4:31 PM  

@90- The synagogue shooting, along with the forgotten MSM mass-bomber, had Get Out the Vote written all over it. I think it was real, unlike the clown bombs, but the MSM didn't have much use for it. It wasn't a full court press like the Hogg Tragedy.

Blogger Kuraudo March 15, 2019 4:53 PM  

That isn't polka music: it's remove kebab song by the serbs.

My first reaction was false flag, but this guy's memes are too on point. The entire alt right is disavowing while simultaneously treating him like a hero unlike roof... moreover, the CIA/fbi/sas doesnt know how you meme and we are usually pretty good at sniffing these types out. My take is that it's for real.

Blogger Lance E March 15, 2019 4:55 PM  

Possibly noteworthy: over the past week or so I'd noticed a distinct uptick in the amount of over-the-top shilling in the more poorly-moderated comment sections, like Heartiste's. There's always a low level of GTKRWN style nonsense, of course, but it was starting to get downright spammy.

Coincidence? Maybe, although it could also be preparing the field.

Blogger braq March 15, 2019 5:00 PM  

Some interesting speculation I've seen regarding the possibility of this being a false flag, with the perp being either a provocateur or (more likely) a patsy: Mossad spy ring uncovered in 2011 in NZ, and also the curious coincidence of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp all going offline the day before.

Vox's option (c) might benefit from a spooky network analysis involving tracking the dissemination of the manifesto and video - might've been necessary to take those networks offline to inject the tracking algorithms. A whole bunch of people on the right are probably on some new lists.

Blogger xevious2030 March 15, 2019 5:04 PM  

@172 That’s true. #171 got what I was getting at. That cat is out of the bag. People here are commenting on what is inside it. And even so, the plug is being pulled. This violence and killing is being condemned by nearly all, but the frustrations written about are not, MSM is having to shift the focus onto the tears of the families of the shooting victims, already.

Blogger Sparrow March 15, 2019 5:11 PM  

"Sparrow wrote:
"How did this guy train and practice? How did he get his guns? Australia only allows single shot/bolt action rifles, iirc."

NZ is not Australia, you can buy an AR 15 with a chainsaw bayonet here.


Honest question: Can a foreigner?"

A journalist bought a rifle in NZ a couple of years ago using fake documentation:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11533406

Blogger xevious2030 March 15, 2019 5:22 PM  

I’ll tell you where the false flag comes in though. Two words. National Emergency. How many Senators do you think will be pro wall now? Might sign on for impeachment if the work under National Emergency were begun/increased? This attack, not prevented, occurs how long after the press about Republican Senators jumping ship on the issue?

Blogger minority of one March 15, 2019 5:34 PM  

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Blogger minority of one March 15, 2019 5:35 PM  

Peterson exposes himself yet again as just another typical lying lefTARD hack.

Blogger weka March 15, 2019 5:36 PM  

The narrative cones directly from the PM and the soldarity with the mosque stuff is all over twitter. My home town was one of the bases and the initial target was the mosque there.

Wait 48 hours. N

Blogger weka March 15, 2019 5:44 PM  

1040 am followint mor ing. Sirring i. A cafw in central after breakfast. Wife is looking at facebook. Wont link to it but thwy afe asking proplr ti report any peraon who posts the video.

Paoera a out how muims are good NZers and we nees to turn out intelligencd agencies against the right wing.

Note we have an e President of socaolisrs international as PM.

Ud still wait another day before drawing conclusions

Blogger The Cooler March 15, 2019 5:53 PM  

He's drinkin bourbon.

He's drinkin scotch.

He's drinkin beer.

Blogger Achilles March 15, 2019 5:53 PM  

It wasn't a false flag. It was acceleration. And there's no brakes on this train. No amount of debates or voting will ever do as much as one Aussie did in an hour. But you don't have to leave your couch for a internet debate. Hence the false flag hot take.

Blogger SciVo March 15, 2019 7:33 PM  

Achilles wrote:It wasn't a false flag. It was acceleration.

How would you tell the difference between someone choosing the same target as a false flag would, and for the same tactical reason -- to provoke the same immediate response -- but for the opposite strategic reason?

Blogger Damaris Tighe March 15, 2019 7:36 PM  

The sense of humour is genuine OZ.

Blogger Sparrow March 15, 2019 7:53 PM  

Were/are you “right wing”?
Depending on the definition, sure.

Were/are you “left wing”?
Depending on the definition, sure.

Did Jordan Peterson write this?

Blogger SomeOne March 15, 2019 8:12 PM  

Like Roman, I hate the pain and suffering. However like English Tom, I don't want to be in a state of paralysis should it become a real life situation. So I think I do need to deaden my mind to it, despite the suffering it is going to cause me...

Blogger SomeOne March 15, 2019 8:30 PM  

Bang on. Worldwide history is a constant mash up of atrocity, gore, cruelty, mass death, torture and destruction. How anyone can be of the belief that humans are born inherently good is mind blowing.

Western civilization has succeeded incredibly well at masking/suppressing humanities basest traits to the point that the ignorant now think it us the default position. And this is also why it has succeeded.

At best, humans are born apathetic to the suffering of their neighbor. Otherwise normal is a case of: why don't we gut your enemy's infant alive and feed it to him just to satisfy a grudge?

This is the horrendous - and "normal" - history of humanity.

Blogger tc March 15, 2019 8:36 PM  

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Blogger tc March 15, 2019 8:47 PM  

Call it the quickening. There can be only one!

Way I see it, kebab being kebab spirals, and we are off to the races.

Law enforcement unable to contain the thousand daily cuts.
Military called in.
Populations separated. Siege.

Your skin is your uniform.

Best case scenario, quarter extended, necessities provided for the long voyage home.

mama merkel & ilk quartered, displayed.

Statues erected for heros.

and the sun also rises...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2019 9:25 PM  

SciVo wrote:How would you tell the difference between someone choosing the same target as a false flag would, and for the same tactical reason -- to provoke the same immediate response -- but for the opposite strategic reason?


By who reacts how.

When one side has a propaganda machine all programmed and ready to exploit an anomolous event, it's reasonable to suspect that side caused the anomoly.

Blogger dtbb March 15, 2019 9:58 PM  

Help. Where can the full video be seen?

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