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Friday, March 08, 2019

Mailvox: getting past gamma

After yesterday's new Voxiversity release, I'm getting a number of emails like these:
I was recently introduced to you by Owen, and after learning more from your past post. I learnt that I am a recovering Gamma. Although you made it clear that you don't like gammas, I am writing this email in the hopes that it is different for recovering ones.

While investigating it further, I have came upon this point of Gamma behavior:

Now that you think about it, in this last year or two you can recall several women cracking jokes at your expense, mocking you, degrading you to their friends, and otherwise holding you in low regard without any fear of consequences. 

It was during a group discussion and she mocked me at not being good with woman, coming to tears just thinking of it. (God, why am i so weak...) This one hits me the hardest as it has happened at a church group and I wasn't able to defend myself, I didn't know how to interact with women all my life.

They are good guys, and I tend to make it a habit of mine to make myself the butt of the joke to lighten the mood, but this humiliation cuts close to bone if I am being honest. I take humiliation from the guys regularly and are okay with it for the most part. Please talk more about how to move past that gamma stage if you would like.
First, let me make it clear that what I dislike so intensely about gammas is their common pattern of behavior. It's nothing personal. I just dislike dishonesty, posturing, false poses of superiority, unasked-for criticism, passive-aggression, and cowardice, all of which happen to be behavioral attributes of the average gamma male. And I certainly approve of when a gamma finally gets sick of himself and decides he's going to stop handicapping his potential by continuing to behave that way.

So, I very much recommend that every gamma who wants to improve himself read the following four posts at Alpha Game, the series titled Graduating Gamma:
  1. Step One: Physical
  2. Step Two: Spiritual
  3. Step Three: Emotional
  4. Step Four: Mental

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79 Comments:

Blogger Matt March 08, 2019 5:37 AM  

Damn, he even used the (Self referential parenthesis)

Good luck to you, Gamma

Blogger Silent Draco March 08, 2019 6:11 AM  

Better to get this type of email than the "you're Sectret Kinging all wrong!" More power to him. Expect hard times and failures on the way, tecoverer. They're part of the program. Breathe deep, pray, and keep at it. It's way better to be a Delta, have competence and confidence, and get the job done.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 08, 2019 6:27 AM  

The first step is honesty.

Blogger Weak March 08, 2019 6:52 AM  

Be prepared to cut people from your life. People who have known you for years, like that ball cutter at church, will keep shoving you back into the gamma box. Because that's who you are to them and they won't want you to change.

Blogger ZhukovG March 08, 2019 7:06 AM  

@Weak:
Mark 5:15
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

'The World' is always afraid of a man in his right mind.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 08, 2019 7:28 AM  

The steps seem to be in reverse to what should happen. In fact the author talks about the Rocky movies. So the way to graduate from gamma, to Delta, is to follow the plot line of the rocky movies?

What would a Chinese or other East Asian Alpha look like(Jackie Chan?), having been to East Asia on a cruise fairly recently the people were like ants moving around in the Kuala Lumpur towers; perhaps Alphas are rarer in East Asia. Having a tough, but not oppressive, childhood sometimes seems to force Alpha, whether that's to do with r/K Selection.

To some extent the hierarchy must be genetically determined. Gammas in "Brave New World (terrible book, all over the place), were exposed to alcohol or some chemical from birth to make them into gammas. Betas were the soft Alphas, in some ways. The main protagonist(Bernard Marx) was set for Alpha, but was basically mutated into a Gamma.

Anonymous Anonymous March 08, 2019 7:39 AM  

I’ve learned that most humans overvalue themselves, and that makes all the difference.

Blogger Johnny March 08, 2019 7:42 AM  

Just a few odd comments.

Being very accommodating will tend to make you look more stupid than you are. Assertiveness is easily mistaken for ability.

People tend to put each other down. Rather than imagining you have to make yourself better, sometimes you have to quit making yourself a target. People can be decent, but the only person who is reliably on your side is you. Submission will buy temporary safety, but not respect.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira March 08, 2019 7:51 AM  

That was the kindest response to gamma that I've ever seen coming from the SDL. Times are a-changing. You can do it, gammas. Take the first step, physical fitness, very seriously. You need those hormones and the confidence thst comes from lifting weights. Good luck, f*ckers.

Blogger Christopher B March 08, 2019 7:51 AM  

There is a mental and even spiritual dimension to physical training, and the direct positive feedback of seeing the changes in your body helps you learn the discipline necessary for mental changes.

Blogger VD March 08, 2019 8:03 AM  

The steps seem to be in reverse to what should happen.

You're wrong. The author has done it himself.

Blogger wahr01 March 08, 2019 8:14 AM  

@6

Try gaining control of and steering your thoughts while your emotions are out of control, or controlling your emotions while you're not physically healthy.

They're definitely in the right order.

Blogger LZ March 08, 2019 8:20 AM  

The physical is key to start. You will improve on day 1. A good workout improves emotional and mental health. You can incorporate the spiritual as well. It is Lent. No better time to start.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 8:56 AM  

Lift
Lift
Lift

Blogger lowercaseb March 08, 2019 9:03 AM  

LZ wrote:The physical is key to start. You will improve on day 1. A good workout improves emotional and mental health. You can incorporate the spiritual as well. It is Lent. No better time to start.

This is very true...working out builds discipline as well, and discipline is going to be your best friend in moving past all those self-destructive behaviors.

Good Luck...you can get through this. It won't be easy, but when you succeed, not only will you have a better life for yourself you will make the lives of the people around you better.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 08, 2019 9:03 AM  

Take the advice offered in the 4 steps and you can learn how to deal with the swings and misses of life.

As for women, maintain the frame and be careful in allowing them moral authority over you, God hates that and you will to.

Blogger Mark Stoval March 08, 2019 9:17 AM  

The Human Bio Diversity researchers tell us they think ALL human traits are heritable. I happen to be convinced they are correct.

So, does "gamma" run in families? Anyone have any idea about that?

Blogger wahr01 March 08, 2019 9:19 AM  

Mark Stoval wrote:The Human Bio Diversity researchers tell us they think ALL human traits are heritable. I happen to be convinced they are correct.

So, does "gamma" run in families? Anyone have any idea about that?



There's a strong cyclical nature to lineage that follows the same cycle as civilization due to the complementary nature of male and female.

Blogger Robin March 08, 2019 9:34 AM  

Don’t rush to lift if your body isn’t ready, you’ll hurt yourself. Start with a better diet to build your tissues, and some light work focused on posture and technique. Create a firm foundation, then add the heavy stress.

@Mark Stoval: Partly. Elements of it will be inborn, from genetic inheritance, and from parental health and habits during gestation. Other elements will be learned, perhaps from parents, perhaps from outside the home.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 9:46 AM  

Magnesium oxide seems to help men a lot. Those I know who take it swear by it for mental clarity. Good for urinary and kidney health too.

Blogger wahr01 March 08, 2019 9:57 AM  

sammibandit wrote:Magnesium oxide seems to help men a lot. Those I know who take it swear by it for mental clarity. Good for urinary and kidney health too.

Don't know about that, but...
https://migraineagain.com/magnesium-deficiency-migraines/

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 10:07 AM  

Have you ever come across someone with significant socio-sexual hierarchy identity dysphoria? Either a roly-poly dough-boy who looks supreme gamma but when you get near him, he's actually way more bad-ass than he should be and girls like him? Or a guy who is obviously an alpha from a distance, star running back, benches 350, but then you hang out for a couple days only to find he's a freaking gamma?

Blogger Blume March 08, 2019 10:16 AM  

Not really, besides you can be fat and alpha. I mean he uses the Godfather as his example and Brando was pretty fat at the time.

Blogger Robin March 08, 2019 10:25 AM  

@carnaby

This post has an example of that

https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2018/01/literally-not-sleeping-together.html

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 10:26 AM  

Brando was a badass before he was fat. Sure, alphas can and do get fat in older age due to living the excess that life provides. I'm thinking of the fellow with a naturally doughy physique that no amount of training can fully solidify.

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 10:33 AM  

Robin, that looks like an example for sure. I wonder if that guy was slowly conditioned into gamma by his wife. Like the frog who was slowly boiled and didn't notice. I'm most curious about young men, those who got their physical and mental/emotional traits mixed up at birth.

Blogger Blume March 08, 2019 10:36 AM  

The problem is there are at least 2 steps between these 2 categories so its more likely that these guys are betas or deltas. For instance I have that doughy body you are talking about. It doesn't matter how much I lift, I can't cut for definition. So I can lift a ton and look fat. I was a solid forgettable delta when at peak fitness but delta is still better than gamma. My wife thinks I am beta but that is just delta wife vision. That super athlete guy is probably a beta if he has alpha looks but not alpha personality.

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 10:42 AM  

"That super athlete guy is probably a beta if he has alpha looks but not alpha personality."

Even if a coward, passive-agressive liar, who has a false and inflated sense of superiority?

Blogger S1AL March 08, 2019 10:52 AM  

"Even if a coward, passive-agressive liar, who has a false and inflated sense of superiority?"

Such people do exist, but right now your questions just sound like butthurt.

Blogger Blume March 08, 2019 10:55 AM  

How would he possibly possess those qualities considering his athletic ability. Star running back, coward? He runs into people at full speed for a living. False sense of superiority? He is superior. He possibly could be a liar and maybe even a little passive aggressive but his training will lead him more to direct aggression. Football players don't do snide comments, they call you a cuck to your face. You bad mouth somebody behind their back and either they or their friend will be in your face and swinging in minutes. Gamma exist in football but they become towel boys or fourth string losers. And they certainly don't bench 350.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz March 08, 2019 11:02 AM  

Blume wrote:Not really, besides you can be fat and alpha. I mean he uses the Godfather as his example and Brando was pretty fat at the time.

Who was once young and fit. Traits that would make you fat as a young man are traits that would keep you from being an alpha.

I'm wondering if we have an abnormal number of gammas. With so many boys being raised by single mothers and who have little to no outside socialization, there has to be an abundance of damaged men out there.
I noticed a lot of SJW males are gammas looking to find protection and personal benefit from a strong SJW society. Though it could be just my experience, gamma tends to be a white thing. The only time I've ever seen black gammas is on TV.

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 08, 2019 11:03 AM  

The physical at the top of the list is counter intuitive because it is counter cultural.

Many have been bombarded from birth with "It's what's inside that counts, be yourself, be a gentleman, don't fight back, be the better man" etc.

Exercise and diet can and will change the mental and emotional. You can't do much about your age or height, but you can improve your physique and behavior. There is a bit of fake it till you make it, but out of optimism and hope, not self delusion.

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 11:09 AM  

"How would he possibly possess those qualities considering his athletic ability."

This is a big part of the question, and not in the rhetorical sense in which it was posed.

Blogger Blume March 08, 2019 11:11 AM  

I know that Brando was young and fit once. It's just an agreed upon alpha that fits the objection. I don't know that biggie smalls was an alpha. But someone like him would have been my other choice.

Blogger Blume March 08, 2019 11:14 AM  

It can only be rhetorical. The things that would give you the ability to reach that peak would erase what ever gamma qualities you had. You might not be alpha but you sure as hell wouldn't be gamma.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman March 08, 2019 11:15 AM  

"Lift, Lift, Lift"

Amen to that!. Outside of Christ - Nothing will transform you into a new man more than that. Being jacked has its beneifits.

Blogger Balam March 08, 2019 11:25 AM  

carnaby wrote:Brando was a badass before he was fat. Sure, alphas can and do get fat in older age due to living the excess that life provides. I'm thinking of the fellow with a naturally doughy physique that no amount of training can fully solidify.

You asked for an example of a fat alpha and now you are saying it doesn't count because he wasn't fat for all his life. A 'naturally doughy physique that no amount of training can fully solidify' is a medical problem - people can always build muscle and look better even if they can't exactly look like specific people. What are you really trying to get answered here, just spit it out and people will try their best to tell you. Vox already said that alpha can be contextual so you can be like Zero , the famous Smash Brothers player, and be alpha while being the same or worse physique as a guy who plays Nintendo games for a living. I doubt he tries to look fit and failed because of some underlying reason - it just isn't a priority to him.

carnaby wrote:Or a guy who is obviously an alpha from a distance, star running back, benches 350, but then you hang out for a couple days only to find he's a freaking gamma?

My intuition says that you are describing what Rollo calls, "The blue pill alpha", which is a guy who has alpha down but has been taught the incorrect way to treat women, ie game. So he can get laid, and you're lying if you say a star running back can't get laid, but then is so poorly trained in game that they don't stay with him. Even to the point where he's running anti-game. Take a look at the following post and see if the behaviors match what you're describing more closely.
https://therationalmale.com/2016/11/04/blue-pill-alphas/

Blogger One Deplorable DT March 08, 2019 11:27 AM  

@6 - The steps seem to be in reverse to what should happen.

The physical has a profound impact on the spiritual, emotional, and mental. Just getting to the gym and lifting consistently can transform gamma behavior into glimpses of Alpha. I've seen it time and again.

As men we have to workout and push ourselves physically. You can put your best efforts into the other three categories and fail miserably for ignoring the physical. We're simply not like women. They can diet to keep the fat off and maybe mix in a bit of cardio and stretching and be fine. We have to sweat and suffer and work. We don't function correctly without that.

That's why silicon valley is full of so many screwed up soy boys. They never push away from the keyboard.

Blogger Winston Smith March 08, 2019 11:50 AM  

@VD

I searched all four links for a reference to porn, and I didn't see it. I think if you haven't addressed it, that you need to take a good hard look at how core to the gamma problems porn often is. A lot of the testimonials on NoFap read very close to "I gave up porn and in 90 days of improvement I went from gamma to delta."

Blogger Jack Amok March 08, 2019 12:04 PM  

Moths to the flame. Just like a Boomer thread.

Blogger VD March 08, 2019 12:05 PM  

A lot of the testimonials on NoFap read very close to "I gave up porn and in 90 days of improvement I went from gamma to delta."

Yeah, they didn't. Pornography is a symptom, it's not the disease. The Gamma behavioral pattern long predates widely available pornography.

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 12:13 PM  

Balam wrote:My intuition says that you are describing what Rollo calls, "The blue pill alpha"

I read that link, and I see what you mean, and I think that is close to the mark. The response to women is very interesting. I've known alphas who were all alpha and women didn't phase them. An attractive woman was like a nice steak, and why would a nice steak throw anyone off their game. The delta/white knight father is interesting and reinforces my resolve to not ruin my own sons in the same manner. Perhaps an alpha hating father can see alpha in what is actually a beta or delta son, and inadvertently brings out the gamma?

Blogger Winston Smith March 08, 2019 12:19 PM  

@VD

I think my wording might have implied it being more causal than I intended. That being said, a fairly consistent theme in such fora is that many young men in gens Millennial and Z got into it at such an early age that it is effectively a very formative experience. A lot of them report that it played a key role in gutting their ambition, drive, confidence, etc. and reported feeling a decent bit more alpha once they quit it.

So at the very least, gammas need to be consistently told "if you watch porn, cut it out completely." I suspect that if you were to be able to get honest answers from all of these gammas, you would consistently find that they have struggled with pornography addiction or they are unapologetically into it in private.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers March 08, 2019 12:25 PM  

A 'naturally doughy physique that no amount of training can fully solidify' is a medical problem - people can always build muscle and look better even if they can't exactly look like specific people.

Carnaby and I owned a gym with our father, and we've both been serious weight lifters who spent a lot of time in gyms. We've seen a certain body type that can make improvements, but even with a reasonable amount of training never get a solid, classically male physique. Jonah Goldberg is a good example. He's a naturally doughy guy who lost a lot of weight for 21 Jump Street. No one would say he didn't look a lot better. But look at his face and watch how he moves, like in the obstacle course training scene - he still looks and moves like a doughy guy.

Blogger VD March 08, 2019 12:25 PM  

reported feeling a decent bit more alpha once they quit it.

I wouldn't put much confidence in a Gamma's reports of his feelings.

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 12:27 PM  

How would he possibly possess those qualities considering his athletic ability. Star running back, coward?

Because courage on the sports field and courage in real life are similar but different.

Blogger S1AL March 08, 2019 12:40 PM  

Different body types exist, yes. My brother is far bulkier than I am - to the extent that most people don't realize we're related - and he's always struggled with getting somewhat doughy, even as a college athlete. But he could trim almost everything if he really put in the effort. A couple guys I know, unrelated but both with Pacific Islander background, have the same issue. Even when in shape they're heavier and doughier/bulkier.

But guys who've been *really* flabby at any point will take years longer to get it off, for various reasons.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers March 08, 2019 12:45 PM  

Because courage on the sports field and courage in real life are similar but different.

Hockey has a reputation as a tough-guy sport, but there's always some guy on the ice who likes to run his mouth, and then turtles when someone finally drops the gloves.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 08, 2019 1:00 PM  

@VD You're wrong. The author has done it himself.

Fair enough, given that you have witnessed the effects and have, the titanic breath and depth of knowledge, I.Q and the rest.

Try gaining control of and steering your thoughts while your emotions are out of control, or controlling your emotions while you're not physically healthy.

They're definitely in the right order.


In my case my thoughts are mostly unconscious to the point of silence, cold rage is probably the best term for my emotional state, calm exterior. Spinoza offered a solution of basically following the more pleasing emotions, but his doublethink disgusts me.

Exercise makes little difference to me, perhaps a bit sharper and a bit more muscle (being mostly Anglo-Saxon). Looking for a philosophical fix, worked well in the past, ancient knowledge being superior to the present degenerating structure of mankind. In essence anyone well armed with Aristotle or Hegel(Evil), is formidable. Anyway, no-one cares what people generally think, but might as well harvest information, being strangers.

Blogger Blume March 08, 2019 1:01 PM  

I am not going to defend porn but I think you have cause and effect backwards. I think they are gamma and so watch porn because they can't get that kind of girl. I don't get how it guts drive, ambition or confidence. Porn should be cut down on to preserve mental health and for moral reasons that have nothing to do with the hierarchy.

Blogger lowercaseb March 08, 2019 1:13 PM  

If you are getting started lifting...I highly recommend Strong Lifts 5x5. They start you off from a bare bar and work you up on squats, overhead presses, deadlifts bench presses and rows.

It's easy at first...but it ramps up quickly and the easy days at the begining do a reasonable job of teaching your good form that will pay off when you start lifting heavy.

And to follow Delta Man's advice...I've done it from April of 2017 to today...gone from 320 pounds to 260, controlled my High blood pressure and feeling a lot more relaxed and in control. The discipline you get from lifting help you to confront that gamma rage, get it under control and become more relaxed and focused on doing positive things.

Blogger Robin March 08, 2019 1:16 PM  

@Winston Smith

Giving up a porn addiction is hard, like any addiction. Gamma behaviour is characterized by a lack of responsibility. Taking responsibility for one’s behaviour for ninety days will have a positive effect on one’s character, regardless of whether it’s about porn.

Blogger Winston Smith March 08, 2019 1:30 PM  

@VD

I wouldn't put much confidence in a Gamma's reports of his feelings.

Fair point, but there is enough out there on the effects of porn addiction that stopping should be part of the guidance. It's certainly one of those things that's not going to help at all if they don't target it as part of their improvement.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 1:34 PM  

Blume,

Your diet is off. I used to think the same, but I've been able to get down under 16% BF. Try fasting for 48 hours, with just water and black coffee.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 1:38 PM  

Carnaby,

Total agreement. Prime example is military brass who charged enemy positions with no fear whatsoever, but crumble preemptively in the face of petticoats and faggots wanting in to the military.

Blogger Silent Draco March 08, 2019 2:19 PM  

lowercaseb, thanks for the the posting; I bookmarked the site for near-term use. PT for a severe arm and shoulder injury should end in another month, and I need a follow-on strength program.

If recovering gammas are reading, know that it will purely kick your butt for a week or two, then improve. It takes discipline and being true to that promise you made yourself. You can do it. You must do it, to be true to your needs. You can then provide good example to others - like a delta would. The high road is hard but pays off.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 08, 2019 2:39 PM  

Daniele Grech Pereira wrote:That was the kindest response to gamma that I've ever seen coming from the SDL.

Yeah, so many pricky don'tsufferfools responses form the SDL and then this.

There's hope for mankind yet!!

Blogger carnaby March 08, 2019 2:40 PM  

Total agreement. Prime example is military brass who charged enemy positions with no fear whatsoever, but crumble preemptively in the face of petticoats and faggots wanting in to the military.

Interesting comparison. I hadn't thought of the similarity between the battle field and the football field. In both cases, traditionally, you know the rules such as they are. In social conflict, not so much. Someone offends you IRL, can you punch them in the face? Will you go to jail? What are the consequences? Can you handle getting punched in the face and then kicked when you're down when it goes badly? Are you being a coward or just being rational? I wonder if alphas ask these questions? There must be some calculus for the smarter ones but I wonder how that works out. I'm obviously not an alpha.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 3:43 PM  

Carnaby,

The problem in the military is status is solely defined by rank. Speak out or challenge a general like (((goldfein))) and you'll be a private in a picosecond. Then you'll have no rank, and no status, no matter how alpha you normally are. Since alphas are hierarchical, we know the costs to our status.

Blogger SirHamster March 08, 2019 3:56 PM  

Robin wrote:Don’t rush to lift if your body isn’t ready, you’ll hurt yourself. Start with a better diet to build your tissues, and some light work focused on posture and technique. Create a firm foundation, then add the heavy stress.

If you're a grown man, you don't need prep to start lifting with an empty bar. Maybe take an extra rest day if you're really sore after your first few workouts, but you'll gear up soon enough.

Seconding StrongLifts 5x5 as a simple and effective starter lifting program.

Blogger Robin March 08, 2019 3:59 PM  

@SirHamster

That’s exactly what I said. An empty bar qualifies as light.

Blogger Matthew Morgan March 08, 2019 3:59 PM  

@44

True, there are some men who are genetically built that way and never completely shake it, no matter what they do (assuming you meant Jonah Hill, though I wonder if Jonah Goldberg is in the same boat). It's no excuse for not doing anything, it just means that Hill and men like him have to work harder and be extra diligent about their health and appearance compared to average dudes.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers March 08, 2019 4:05 PM  

Stg58, you and I have a mutual acquaintance who once choked out an MP and threw him in a ditch for doing something extremely stupid. It's only because he had friends in the hierarchy that nothing came of it. It could've been career-destroying.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers March 08, 2019 4:05 PM  

Oops, yes, I meant Jonah Hill.

Blogger Weak March 08, 2019 4:20 PM  

For those perseverating on the importance of quitting porn, you're putting the cart before the horse. Follow Delta Man. Listen to Vox. Take care of yourself physically, mentally, etc. and the porn will magically disappear on its own.

Porn is a major problem for gammas. But it's a symptom, not the disease. And apparently anti-porn crusading is also a problem of gammas.

Blogger Weak March 08, 2019 4:22 PM  

And +1 for 5x5 strong lifts. EzceExcel entry point for beginners.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 4:35 PM  

Yeah, so many pricky don'tsufferfools responses form the SDL and then this.

...

There's hope for mankind yet!!

There was until you chimed in. Cringe.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz March 08, 2019 5:14 PM  

Relatively low weight with very slow movement to the point of exhaustion. I had a lot of success when I was younger using that method. It really reduces the chance of injuries too.
Don't forget non-weight methods like proper push-ups, pull-ups etc.

Blogger Winston Smith March 08, 2019 5:24 PM  

#65

For those perseverating on the importance of quitting porn, you're putting the cart before the horse. Follow Delta Man. Listen to Vox. Take care of yourself physically, mentally, etc. and the porn will magically disappear on its own.

And a man who jacks off to porn on a regular basis is doing a number on his brain and body in terms of reprogramming himself into an addictive cycle that crushes his testosterone levels. If you can see through the mainstream BS on HBD, then consider that the mainstream is also full of BS on what porn + masturbation does to the male body.

The point isn't "quitting porn and jacking off will make a delta out of a gamma quickly." It's that men who are addicted to jerking off to porn are going to find that their brain and body are going to unleash holy hell on them in terms of concentration, willpower and energy.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 6:04 PM  

If quitting gamma won't motivate you to quit porn, maybe knowing it's trewish jix will.

Blogger M.S. March 08, 2019 8:23 PM  

There's one detail worth commenting on in the Graduating Gamma series: while I agree with the author that "smarter than average, more emotionally sensitive than average, more introverted, etc." boys are the ones most likely to become Gamma Males, this is the same temperament, according to the "Vantage Sensitivity" research of Michael Pluess and Jay Belsky (also called Dandelion-Orchid spectrum), that turns out much better than the average person when given a good environment and a happy childhood, much more likely to be high status. The Graduating Gamma author says those who become Gammas because of bad upbringing would be "Deltas or Deltas with a few Gamma traits" with good upbringing. It's more likely they'd advance beyond that and make up a disproportionate amount of the Betas, Sigmas and Alphas.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 08, 2019 8:24 PM  

I'm starting to get the impression that "Alpha" depends on natural born traits but "Gamma" is something that society can induce on men. Just a feeling.

Blogger SciVo March 08, 2019 10:09 PM  

Different people are going to chime in with different fitness programs that they swear by, but the most effective one for you is one that you can stick with. So that means playing to your strengths.

Of course, you shouldn't [skip leg day] or your equivalent. You wouldn't want to leave an obvious weakness, with feet of clay. But you will see more improvement per effort in focusing on what you're best at, and that will help keep you motivated to continue.

Strength training is more immediately beneficial than aerobic exercise, because it changes everything from your posture to your hormone balance. So if you're skinnyfat, "playing to your strengths" just means including a mile run as a warm-up. It doesn't mean that you can blow off arm lifts, which would be your [skipping leg day].

But sure, if you have more slow-twitch muscle fibers, you will probably see more progress (and even feel more good-tired) if you lift in slow-mo. But that wouldn't make sense for a sprinter.

And although heavy guys can see rapid good results with lifting, since their muscles are already accustomed to pushing their own weight around, eventually they should try to do something about the visceral fat. It's a biochemical poison factory.

Blogger Cabeza de Vaca March 08, 2019 11:59 PM  

Nobody should consume any porn ever, whether it improves your social rank or not. The only good reason (for men) to have an orgasm is for reproduction while masturbation is probably not normal, natural behavior as is widely believed.

Taking zinc gluconate seems extremely helpful and it's supposed to be great for testosterone levels though it's supposed to lower your magnesium levels even more and magnesium malate seems like a good form to supplement with but I'm no expert, please do your own research.

Blogger Jack Amok March 09, 2019 1:28 AM  

Are you being a coward or just being rational? I wonder if alphas ask these questions? There must be some calculus for the smarter ones but I wonder how that works out. I'm obviously not an alpha.

Alpha is a mind-set, not an IQ level. There are smart Alphas, dumb Alphas, Alphas with good impulse control and poor impulse control, high time preference, low time preference... Alpha doesn't mean super-good at everything. It just means a guy who looks at the world and thinks "I need to change this to better suit me - what do I need to do to get the people around me on-board?" He might make a careful, well-thought out plan, he might launch idiotically into a poorly thought out fiasco, depends on his other attributes.

Blogger Winston Smith March 09, 2019 10:35 AM  

I'm starting to get the impression that "Alpha" depends on natural born traits but "Gamma" is something that society can induce on men. Just a feeling.

I think that's generally about right. Most gammas today would have been deltas 100 years ago because their fathers would have been deltas and would never have tolerated or allowed the gamma influences on them like allowing female domination of their socialization.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 09, 2019 2:57 PM  

sammibandit wrote:Yeah, so many pricky don'tsufferfools responses form the SDL and then this.

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There's hope for mankind yet!!

There was until you chimed in. Cringe.


Some day, you may be able to recognize a joke.

Yesterday, March 8th, 2019, was clear not that day.

I bet today, tomorrow, or some other unnamed day in the future won't be that day either.

Blogger sammibandit March 09, 2019 4:30 PM  

Some day, you may be able to recognize a joke.

Yesterday, March 8th, 2019, was clear not that day.

I bet today, tomorrow, or some other unnamed day in the future won't be that day either.


If you have to tell someone you are joking then that's a sign you missed the mark. That embarrassment is usually remedied with a breezy reply in self deprecation. You chose another route.

Jokes are supposed to be funny. That wasn't funny. Not yesterday, not today, nor tomorrow. It will never be funny to mock mercy. It was a half-baked snark directed at Vox and someone who is already annoyed with what you think are jokes.

You can't backpedal by saying "you have no sense of humor, sammibandit". It is my sense of humor that drove me to notice your lack of humor. That wasn't funny, it was crass. You know how I know it's snark? You called Vox' usual gamma rejoinders pricky (you probably meant prickly) and dont'tsufferfools responses. You were clearly eager to hit send and made several errors in your rush, just like a snarky person does with all the haste of "gotcha".

You could have called his rejoinders motivating or even caring. Nothing smarts like a quick "stop it, you're embarrassing yourself". Of course, there are anomalies... Own it, dude. I gave you an opportunity to save face and you lost it.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 09, 2019 10:59 PM  

sammibandit wrote:Some day, you may be able to recognize a joke.

Yesterday, March 8th, 2019, was clear not that day.

I bet today, tomorrow, or some other unnamed day in the future won't be that day either.


If you have to tell someone you are joking then that's a sign you missed the mark. That embarrassment is usually remedied with a breezy reply in self deprecation. You chose another route.

Jokes are supposed to be funny. That wasn't funny. Not yesterday, not today, nor tomorrow. It will never be funny to mock mercy. It was a half-baked snark directed at Vox and someone who is already annoyed with what you think are jokes.

You can't backpedal by saying "you have no sense of humor, sammibandit". It is my sense of humor that drove me to notice your lack of humor. That wasn't funny, it was crass. You know how I know it's snark? You called Vox' usual gamma rejoinders pricky (you probably meant prickly) and dont'tsufferfools responses. You were clearly eager to hit send and made several errors in your rush, just like a snarky person does with all the haste of "gotcha".

You could have called his rejoinders motivating or even caring. Nothing smarts like a quick "stop it, you're embarrassing yourself". Of course, there are anomalies... Own it, dude. I gave you an opportunity to save face and you lost it.


Thanks for the response.

Very gamma.

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