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Monday, March 04, 2019

Mailvox: two links

John Hawkins is just a little behind on his reading
Respectfully, a phrase that has been in use for almost a hundred years and essentially means exactly the same thing as Christian values to the general public seems like a weird thing to choke on out of a 1500 word column especially since Jews aren't a problem at all for America. No argument at all from me on how big of a factor immigration and immortality are for the country....
1. So, about that hundred years....

2. Jews aren't a problem at all for America.... 

Judeo-Christian values are NOT and have never been "exactly the same thing as Christian values". Or, for that matter, Jewish values. In fact, the term is considered to be offensive and anti-semitic by many Jews. From the Jewish Press: There’s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values:
Let’s be clear: Far from “sharing” one tradition, Orthodox Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church—and we can’t even drink from an open bottle of kosher wine that has been used by a Christian. We reject the Christian idea of salvation, we abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject, and we are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.

It is particularly disturbing when Klinghoffer makes statements which reveal his complete assumption of elements of New Testament Pauline ideology, for instance, the requirement that wives submit to their husband’s authority. There is no mandate on precisely how a woman should behave with her husband—Jews expect the happy couple to work it out for themselves. Also, while divorce may be a tragedy, and God cries, it is in no way banned—in Judaism, that is. The story in Christianity, and Klinghoffer’s “Judeo-Christian Biblical America,” is different.

Incidentally, we have more in common with Muslims than we do with Christians; Jewish law permits Jews to enter a mosque… but not a church....

Jews and Christians differ on every single fundamental principle—even on the meaning of core Scriptural texts. More crucially, Christians rely on the Old Testament for legal delineation; whereas Jews rely solely upon our rabbinic tradition. We never, ever turn to our Bible for legal guidance, only to our rabbinic literature. To suggest that our Sages had anything at all in common with the likes of Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Carter or Pat Robertson is a slap in the face of 2500 years of scholarship.

“Judeo-Christian” is as valid a concept as happy-joylessness, or tall dwarves. Klinghoffer’s yearnings for this repugnant “ideal” is a deviant phenomenon without a trace of commonality in traditional Jewish thought, ancient or modern.
A conservatism that quails from accepting the fundamental distinctions between Judaism and Christianity is inevitably doomed to be one that cannot accept the distinctions between male and female, good and evil, and American and Not-American.

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Blogger Xtasorcery (www.dark.sport.blog) March 04, 2019 9:25 PM  

The surge behind "Judeo-Christian" is a simple matter of, in many cases, Propaganda. The Classic Right wants to push a presence in the Middle East for realpolitik reasons, and Israel is the bridgehead/vanguard, and so a joint "ethos of values and cultures" becomes possible, nay necessary.

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Blogger widlast washere March 04, 2019 9:35 PM  

So, to sum it up, Jews are evil. And will most likely be completely on board with the Anti-Christ when he shows up.

Blogger Dirtnapninja March 04, 2019 9:39 PM  

Christianity was, from its inception a critique and refutation of what is now called Judaism. There is no "Judeo-Christian". It implies a unity where none exists. It implies a parity where none exists.

Blogger John Best. March 04, 2019 9:41 PM  

Immorality and immigration are big factors, but then he doesn't want to do anything about it. He wants to create something else so he can cover up the truth, so he doesn't have to face it. I have a Jewish friend, they claim they are British, but then when I say they are Jewish they say so I am not white then. This is what people do they create something else to hide the truth. My Jewish friend is a Jew and should be in Israel.

Blogger Robin March 04, 2019 9:43 PM  

I recommend reading the whole piece, the snippet doesn’t do it justice.

Elsewhere in the essay the author writes that “Judeo-Christian” is a “product of the American imagination”, ignoring that the writer he’s complaining about is himself an Orthodox Jew living in America. “Judeo-Christian” is a product of the diaspora and is completely un-American.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 04, 2019 9:49 PM  

"We never, ever turn to our Bible for legal guidance, only to our rabbinic literature."

We noticed. You didn't like it when we noticed.

Blogger Dangeresque March 04, 2019 9:50 PM  

Jews had to be back-filled into US history somehow because muh 6 Gorillion.

Blogger Lance E March 04, 2019 9:51 PM  

There is exactly one mechanism by which Judaism and Christianity intersect: secular liberalism, as in reform Judaism or mainline Protestantism.

Not too surprisingly, this is almost always what "conservatives" are trying to defend when they use the term "Judeo-Christian", regardless of any protestations to the contrary.

Personally, I see the term as little more than dishonest rhetoric invented to fly enlightenment philosophy under the radars of both religious Christians and religious Jews. Do we ever see Orthodox Jews yammering on about Judeo-Christianity?

Blogger Robert What? March 04, 2019 9:52 PM  

Thank you to the Jewish Press for comimg out and admitting that Jews despise the people of the nation that accepted them. The article should be required reading for all Christians.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2019 9:55 PM  

So I was right about Judeo-Islamic values being the bedrock of America.

I'll just assume that Mr Hawkins pays full retail for his rhetoric.

Blogger Markku March 04, 2019 9:57 PM  

This just in: Texas blacklisted Airbnb. Unless they can demonstrate sufficient enthusiasm for Israel, they will be unable to operate in the state of Texas.

Blogger cecilhenry March 04, 2019 10:02 PM  

That article from the Jewish Press just drips with the hatred and derision that characterizes Jews. Its ugly, especially when you understand its connections to behavior.


Few people have heard Jews speak frankly to understand the spirit of the people.


'Bye Goy', the term used when Bannon left the White house, was an accidental overflow of the acid they feel for Whites.



Opposition to Jewish ambition “to impose its rule on other nations”, be it globalist, communist, mulitcult, or liberal, is not anti-Semitism, even if the Jews imagine it so.


Western nations have an equally solemn duty to prevent Jewish subversion of identity, faith and morals.




There is a long historical awareness of this issue, summarized in Sicut Judaeis non:

The West must not allow Jews to define terms like 'anti-semitism' for her, because in that instance Jews will use “the word to designate any form of opposition to themselves” and their persistent project of cultural subversion.



I notice an evident philosophical connection between Jordan Peterson and Jews (which Peterson seems to disproportionately gravitate to)

While Peterson defines truth as 'whatever is good for survival', this is very similar to the Judaizing attitude to truth.

Which is what is good for Jews, as established and codified by Jewish authority.


There is nothing else.


Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 04, 2019 10:08 PM  

If Christians become judaized, are they not then Judeo-Christian?

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 04, 2019 10:15 PM  

A friend who is a gentleman and a bible scholar once told me that the Ten Commandments were in fact written only for the Jews and that God already expects Gentiles to behave well most of the time without special treatment.

Given how that one percent of the population is at the head of much POZ, murder - through control of the congress and therefore the military, and usury, I'm having a hard time discrediting that.

Blogger John March 04, 2019 10:19 PM  

It is appalling that any Christians do not understand the distinction between the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, and the melding of the defunct Old Covenant with Talmudic tradition that is Judaism.

The Jews were the first to be offered the New Covenant and the first to reject it. Judeo-Talmudism is one of the Devil's many lies. Its moral foundations are works-righteousness and religious-racism. It is literally the antithesis of Christ's teaching, which is salvation by grace through faith for all nations.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 04, 2019 10:21 PM  

@Doktor Jeep

Please remember that the Jews of today are loosely connected to the nation of Israel of the Bible. Neither on religious tradition nor in genetics is there a strong identity between the two. Also remember that it was through Israel that God sent the Messiah. Running down the people of Israel that way seems like an unwise move for a Christian.

Blogger D. March 04, 2019 10:27 PM  

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Blogger D. March 04, 2019 10:28 PM  

Judeo-Christian: a DC invented uniparty

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 04, 2019 10:38 PM  

@Zaklog the Great
I have been spared from the edge of death 4 times by God. The last time a bullet so close to my head the shockwave blew my hair. For reasons unknown. I suspect further punishment.

So don't talk to me about unwise moves. My story is not over yet.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 04, 2019 10:39 PM  

Interesting - there is a small bump around 1840, then there are two significant-looking bumps about 1879-1889, then nothing of note until 1920 or so. I wonder what happened about 20 years before and 15 years after our civil war?

Blogger Crew March 04, 2019 10:43 PM  

Owen Benjamin is on fire!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-ug1YVMX8

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 04, 2019 10:49 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:Also remember that it was through Israel that God sent the Messiah. Running down the people of Israel that way seems like an unwise move for a Christian.

God chose the foolish to confound the wise. God chose the utterly faithless Hebrews to teach us about His faithfulness. Yes, God chose Abraham's descendants, but no, it's not a complement or advantage to them.

The Jews will acknowledge Jesus of Nazareth as their messiah, or burn in hell, same as you and me.

Blogger Lord Pork March 04, 2019 11:04 PM  

Jude-Christain values should be correctly restated as "Judeo-Masonic" values and everything makes more sense.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 04, 2019 11:10 PM  

If Christians become judaized, are they not then Judeo-Christian?

No, because they stop being Christian. You can't both accept and reject Christ.

I think many of those who use "Judeo-Christian" think they're using harmless rhetoric as cover. If you talk about "Christian values" you get attacked as an extremist even by many lukewarm Christians; and by tacking "Judeo-" on there, you protect yourself from a good bit of that. But they should ask themselves why that is. If "Judeo-Christian" doesn't offend the people who are so offended by "Christian," is it really just a rhetorical sleight-of-hand, or does it change the meaning in important ways that the offended recognize?

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey March 04, 2019 11:13 PM  

widlast washere wrote:So, to sum it up, Jews are evil. And will most likely be completely on board with the Anti-Christ when he shows up.

To sum it up better: ALL those who deny the divinity of Christ are in error. And that's not where you want to be.

Blogger Crave March 04, 2019 11:54 PM  

@2 I recently watched this interesting video discussion between two Jews, one traditional and the other an actual Judeo-Christian. The last 5 minutes provided interesting information from the traditional Jew perspective, including the requirements for a man to be considered the Messiah. This Jewish man must rebuild the temple, unite the tribes and bring about world peace before he is proclaimed the Messiah. Does this help explain the Jewish affinity for world revolution and globalism? Obviously, they desire to bring back some entity to rule this world, and it certainly isn't Jesus.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 04, 2019 11:57 PM  

Crave wrote:... interesting information from the traditional Jew perspective, including the requirements for a man to be considered the Messiah. This Jewish man must rebuild the temple, unite the tribes and bring about world peace before he is proclaimed the Messiah.

That's the messiah they wanted, not the messiah God sent. Sucks to be them.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 05, 2019 12:32 AM  

"This just in: Texas blacklisted Airbnb. Unless they can demonstrate sufficient enthusiasm for Israel, they will be unable to operate in the state of Texas."

That would be a good example of our enemies fighting among themselves.

Blogger Gen. Kong March 05, 2019 12:40 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:

Interesting - there is a small bump around 1840, then there are two significant-looking bumps about 1879-1889, then nothing of note until 1920 or so. I wonder what happened about 20 years before and 15 years after our civil war?


This might coincide with the rise and growth of dispensationalism. Darby started preaching the doctrine in the 1830s-40s and his followers like Moody, Brookes and Cyrus Scofield rose to great popularity in the late 19th and early 20th century. Scofield, whose notorious Scofield Reference Bible was (oddly) published by Oxford University Press in 1909 - possibly funded by Scofield's associate in the elite NYC Lotus Club, (((Samuel Untermeyer))). Scofield's heretical theology serves the interests of (((Talmudists))) perfectly and remains the foundation of today's moronic Christian Zionist movement - who swarm like demon-possessed swine to jump off a cliff and join the Imperial Banana Legion to help Sunni Muslims slaughter Christians in Iraq and Syria.

It's quite appalling how many Christians simply refuse to take Christ at his own words: Those who chose the doctrines which ultimately coalesced into the Babylonian Talmud were explicitly named as the "Synagogue of Satan". They were so then and remain so down to this day. The choice is clear: One can believe Christ and what he stated about (((them))) or one can instead follow the artful testimony of lawyers like Darby and Scofield or casino owners (((Sheldon Adelson))).

Blogger Didas Kalos March 05, 2019 12:48 AM  

@10 "I'll just assume that Mr Hawkins pays full retail for his rhetoric." Very good for a sit down comedian. my 2nd best laugh of the day.
@24. Correct, judeo-christian would be the same as satanic-christian. Literally the same.
I've heard this by Ben Freedman (spelling?) is pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8

Blogger LES March 05, 2019 1:45 AM  

What are those men doing at the Western Wall?

Blogger wreckage March 05, 2019 2:09 AM  

"Christians rely on the Old Testament for legal delineation"

Sure we do, that's why none of us eat frogs, shrimp, pork or snails.
Christians are beholden to the moral law: the Commandments. Is this guy saying he isn't?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 05, 2019 2:10 AM  

"No, because they stop being Christian."

Okay. Then what about LeSea or John Hagee types? Or what about the Puritans for that matter? These types really like Jews a lot. Have they been judaized?

Blogger S. Thermite March 05, 2019 2:19 AM  

@ Damelon Brinn
I think many of those who use "Judeo-Christian" think they're using harmless rhetoric as cover...

A valid point. Before Vox enlightened me about the falseness of the label, I used it myself as a way to argue consensus and ancestry for what I previously perceived as a shared morality. Especially when it came to the Ten Commandments and other Hebraic laws that Christians still uphold. No more though.

(((Others))) are fond of doing the reverse, and for evil, when we see them so often bemoaning the “sins” against multiculturalism by their “fellow white people.” They’re false brothers though, quick to slip back into their tribal identity and pride as a pseudo-victim/marginalized -minority when it suits them.

If Jews viewed us Christians and/or “their fellow white people” as brothers, they’d miss out on charging us usury...

Blogger Dave Dave March 05, 2019 2:42 AM  

The hatred from Jews towards Christians is because we're not keeping to ourselves and we keep trying to convert everyone. The Jews don't convert people to Judaism. They want to stay in their little groups and do their Jewish things. It's understandable to want to be left alone, but it's no surprise that this isn't the core of it. If they respected other nations and their own desire to be left alone, they wouldn't be meddling in their affairs so heavily. The Jews have such significant influence because we didn't push back hard enough.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 05, 2019 3:30 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:These types really like Jews a lot. Have they been judaized?
Yes.

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 3:40 AM  

"There is no mandate on precisely how a woman should behave with her husband—Jews expect the happy couple to work it out for themselves."

Sigh. Yori proves once again that MPAI. This is absolutely not true. Jewish law is very clear on this, regardless of the lack of recognition by many who claim otherwise. The husband is king in his home. A woman is obligated to obey him. And so forth. The mandates for how Jewish husbands and wives are to treat each other are literally spelled out exceedingly clearly in the Mishnah Torah (Maimonides) as well as the Shulchan Aruch.

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 3:45 AM  

"We never, ever turn to our Bible for legal guidance, only to our rabbinic literature."

Also not strictly true. You cannot decide on matters of Jewish law by solely reading the Talmud. And the Talmud references the Bible extensively. That is, the rabbis who composed and redacted the Talmud did indeed "turn to our Bible for legal guidance."

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 3:49 AM  

"Incidentally, we have more in common with Muslims than we do with Christians; Jewish law permits Jews to enter a mosque… but not a church...."

The stupid hurts. To say we have "more" or "less" in common with foreign beliefs is absurd. It is literally impossible to quantify. It's irrelevant in such a "measure" whether one can or cannot enter one of their places of worship.

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 3:53 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Interesting - there is a small bump around 1840, then there are two significant-looking bumps about 1879-1889, then nothing of note until 1920 or so. I wonder what happened about 20 years before and 15 years after our civil war?

Easy. There was a large influx of Western European Jews in the former case and an even larger influx of Eastern European Jews in the latter.

Blogger Innamorato March 05, 2019 4:20 AM  

Why would a Christian ever help a Jew when the latter would never in a million years return the favor?

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 05, 2019 4:25 AM  

Crew wrote:Owen Benjamin is on fire!



Oooh, Big Bear shorts! Excellent. I didn't know that existed.

Blogger FrankNorman March 05, 2019 4:42 AM  

@Shimshon - this looks like an example of the "ask two rabbis, get three answers" situation.
Also of liberal Diaspora Jews presuming to speak for all of you, while pushing a progressive agenda.

I have to ask though - does your religion really prohibit you from entering a church? Not just from participating in a service, but going inside the building at all?

Blogger Mark Stoval March 05, 2019 4:46 AM  

It seems to me that the Jews and the Muslims should be kept in the middle east and out of Europe and north America. They both plainly hate Western Civilization and intend to destroy it, and us.

Why do our "leaders" demand ever more violent haters come here?

I know of a Catholic priest in central Florida that would welcome Satan himself to worship service. Especially if he came as a black Satan.

Blogger VD March 05, 2019 4:47 AM  

Also not strictly true. You cannot decide on matters of Jewish law by solely reading the Talmud. And the Talmud references the Bible extensively. That is, the rabbis who composed and redacted the Talmud did indeed "turn to our Bible for legal guidance."

Come on, Shimshon. Turning to the Bible for legal guidance is no way to describe pharasaical lawyering around the directives of the Bible.

Now, I have no more problem with the Jewish nation having its own values than I do with the Japanese nation doing so. But there are no Japanese, or Westerners, attempting to convince me that Japanese values "mean exactly the same thing" as Western values.

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 5:08 AM  

Vox, I would never try to convince anyone that Jewish and Western (or Christian) values are the same thing.

The author is wrong, because it is a well-known truism in Judaism that you cannot poskin (that is, decide Jewish legal questions) from the Talmud.

"Come on, Shimshon. Turning to the Bible for legal guidance is no way to describe pharasaical lawyering around the directives of the Bible."

It is interesting how non-Jews see Jews. The Hebrew text is full of nuances, repetitions, and variations that demand interpretation (what you call "pharasaical lawyering"). It is impossible to understand our Bible, let alone our treatment of it, without at least some cursory Hebrew. Even off the cuff, I could give many examples.

@43 Frank, yes, it is really prohibited to enter a Christian house of worship.

https://www.thejc.com/judaism/rabbi-i-have-a-problem/is-it-forbidden-for-jews-to-enter-a-church-1.4626

Your rabbi is correct. The rabbinic consensus, based on the Talmud (Avodah Zara 17a,) is that it is forbidden to enter a church, even if just to admire the architecture or artwork. This body of opinion spans the generations and comprises leading medieval Sephardic and Ashkenazi rabbis such as Maimonides, Rashba (Rabbi Solomon ben Aderet), Ritba (Rabbi Yom Tov ibn Asevilli) and Rosh (Rabbi Asher ben Yechiel), as well as contemporary halachists including Rabbis Moshe Feinstien, Ovadia Yosef and Eliezer Waldenberg.

While at first glance this approach appears disrespectful to and even disdainful of other faiths, I believe it reflects just the opposite. Judaism sees faith, any faith, as something very powerful. A Christian house of worship in Jewish eyes is more than just a building. It is a place where Christianity is palpable. It pervades the very walls and space of the church and gives it its unique character. This is no different to how Judaism sees its own faith manifested in the very space of a synagogue.

To a person of faith, this has serious ramifications. One cannot simply enter a church without some aspect of the church entering you. To put it another way: by entering a church, one enters into a Christian religious experience. No matter how subliminal this experience is, it is inconsistent with Jewish faith and practice.

Those who argue that a church is nothing more than a building underestimate the potent atmosphere of a house of worship and, in so doing, they trivialise it.

Blogger The CronoLink March 05, 2019 5:24 AM  

For me, this joke illustrates the essence of Rabbinic Judaism.

And for me, it makes me want to roundhouse kick every rabbi and their talmud. Reading that joke, with the author feeling so proud and fucking smug to what amounts to intentionally avoiding finding truth and even deliberately sabotaging those that try for the sake of pointless bickering, it's so infuriating.

Blogger Lazarus March 05, 2019 5:55 AM  

Shimshon wrote:The Hebrew text is full of nuances, repetitions, and variations that demand interpretation (what you call "pharasaical lawyering"). It is impossible to understand our Bible, let alone our treatment of it, without at least some cursory Hebrew.

C'mon man. I have a copy of the Jewish Study Bible. One of the ubiquitous footnotes employed in it is Meaning of Hebrew uncertain The translation can't be 100% perfect but one can glean the essence of it.

Blogger Crave March 05, 2019 6:12 AM  

Which other religions are Jews similarly forbidden from visiting, or is this honor specifically bestowed upon Christianity?

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 6:12 AM  

@48 I'm not talking about single words and their meanings, though there is that.

Why do the two renderings of the 10 Commandments have differences? Honor your father and mother. Fear your mother and father. Observe the Sabbath. Remember the Sabbath.

Why the use of "do not cook a kid in its mother's milk" instead of the more clear (and correct according to Jewish law) "do not cook meat and milk"? Why repeat the prohibition three times?

Spelling matters. Tense matters. Gender matters. When they differ from the expected, you ignore it. God told us not to, that every word and nuance as well have meaning. If it's the literal Word of God, that makes sense. All of it, literally all of it, gets lost in translation.

Do you accept the Biblical Criticism arguments that these are all just unintended consequences of multiple authors being redacted (or whatever they're proffering)?

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 6:19 AM  

@49 Pretty much any house of worship of all other beliefs.

We are also forbidden from stepping foot on various parts of the Temple Mount, and not because of Arab hegemony there.

Anonymous Anonymous March 05, 2019 6:20 AM  

Shimshon wrote:"Incidentally, we have more in common with Muslims than we do with Christians; Jewish law permits Jews to enter a mosque… but not a church...."

Why are Jews such shameless, duplicitious, disingenuous, liars by omission? '

You are dissembling. You people always do it. It's like you simply cannot possibly imagine other people have equal or superior verbal intelligence, so you just lie to maintain the acuity of your lying capabilities.

https://forward.com/news/154727/jews-cast-wary-eye-on-evangelicals/

The phrase you are refuting has two sentences. Each sentence communicates a separate idea. One idea is that Jews have more in common with (and thus prefer) Muslims over Christians. The other is that Jews are permitted to enter a Mosque but not a Church.

What do you do?

You refute the second sentence, whilst pretending that also tacitly refutes the first.

Except the first sentence is completely true. In 2012 the Public Religion Institute surveyed American Jews on their values and preferences. It produced some interesting findings.

- 66% said that American Muslims are an important part of the religious community in the United States
- Muslims got a 40.4% favourability rating, and Christians, you know, the people who expend enormous amounts of blood and treasure on Israel and sincerely and honestly profess fake 'Judeo-Christianity' out of a feeling of affinity and shared heritage with Jews - had a 20.4% favourability rating.
Muslims: 40.4% >> Christians, 20.4%. Almost double the favourability rating. How is that even possible? How can Jews be such disgusting traitors as to regard the 'anti-semites' as enormously superior to the people who harbour and tolerate their rule?
- 72% said tikkum olam stated as, 'healing the world', 'welcoming the stranger' are somewhat or very important values.
- 70% cite 'the immigrant experience' as a somewhat or very important influence on their political beliefs or activity
- Jewish issues priorities for the 2012 election were '1%'(!) immigration - how do you think this compares for the gentiles?

This reflects the sentiments of Rabbi Baruch Efrati in Efrat - who supports the Islamisation of Europe: "Even if we are in a major war with the region’s Arabs over the Land of Israel, Islam is still much better as a gentile culture than Christianity" he said.

'False' screeches the Jew - except his sentiment is backed up by the very clearly expressed traitorous preferences of American Jewry. So it is not false. It is a clear expression of majority sentiment - the same for Europe as for the United States.

Whether it's Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the United States, the United Kingdom, Western Europe even Eastern Europe - the strongest, most influential advocates for the Islamization of the native religion and population are always Jews. Without question. I have links for every assertion. But I'll spare the clutter.

https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/325883/over-1-000-us-rabbis-petition-lawmakers-to-welcome-refugees/
- this is the one thing you Jews agree on. You all agree, per your Rabbis, that muslims are preferable to Christians, and we should all be subjected to conflict with invading muslims.

We are not alt-retards here. But when you commit these lies by omission and false emphasis, it makes it very hard not to get very angry. Don't lie so shamelessly and so obviously here. Lie elsewhere. Don't do it here. You will be cited, and you will be rebuked.

Anonymous Anonymous March 05, 2019 6:30 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Why the use of "do not cook a kid in its mother's milk" instead of the more clear (and correct according to Jewish law) "do not cook meat and milk"? Why repeat the prohibition three times?

Spelling matters. Tense matters. Gender matters. When they differ from the expected, you ignore it. God told us not to, that every word and nuance as well have meaning.


You can dissemble and deconstruct and qualify and exempt and engage in general Jewish bullshit as much as you like.

It doesn't change the plain simple 'Christian' truth that Jews do in fact have more in common with Muslims then with Christians, and express this commonality by evincing an enormously strong preference for Islam over Christianity on every occasion the sentiment is canvassed.

If you keep refuting this truth any more, I will fucking embarrass you in this forum, you ingrate weasel. I spit on Jewish purported verbal intelligence superiority.

Just tell the truth. Just do what Jews cannot do - and tell the truth. Or just lie in a manner that isn't so transparently obvious.

Just say: "Yes, yes, it is shameful given Christian sacrifice and genuine love for Jews versus Muslim contempt and hatred, but overall, Jews do have more in common with and prefer Muslims compared to Christians. That is not my preference, and I will try and change my communities' disgusting and ungracious sentiment. But I will concede the point".

If you Jew here, if you dissemble and lie, even if you don't regard it as a lie by whatever fatuous Jewish definition you care to deploy, you will be named and shamed. You people are not what you once were. Your fucking lie of an IQ superiority is only exceeded by the lie of your self-proclaimed verbal acuity superiority.

Blogger Stephen Davenport March 05, 2019 6:36 AM  

So let me, guess, you are picking a fight with Hawkins now...lol

Blogger PJW Gent March 05, 2019 6:39 AM  

widlast washere wrote:So, to sum it up, Jews are evil. And will most likely be completely on board with the Anti-Christ when he shows up.
One thing we all need to remember is all followers of Judaism (or for that matter Islam) are antichrist according to 1 John 2:22 "Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son" and 2 John 1:7 "I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist." As such it is a small step to embrace The Antichrist when they have all along been antichrist themselves.

Blogger PJW Gent March 05, 2019 6:41 AM  

Oh, and those scriptures also point out that they are fundamentally liars and deceivers.

Blogger Lazarus March 05, 2019 6:44 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Do you accept the Biblical Criticism arguments that these are all just unintended consequences of multiple authors being redacted (or whatever they're proffering)?

The explanations in the Jewish Study Bible are too long and convoluted to reproduce here, so I will just defer to the Jewish Biblical Scholars who write at the end,:

The two different versions of the Decalogue most likely derive from two different historical contexts and communities.

But, Rabbis argue that God spoke both simultaneously, or that He only spoke some directly and Moses spoke the rest.

To me, the important part is that all the Decalogue versions clearly express common intent.

Blogger The Cooler March 05, 2019 6:45 AM  

Unknown,

Get a username. I'd like to know who I'm ataboying.

Blogger VD March 05, 2019 7:08 AM  

The Hebrew text is full of nuances, repetitions, and variations that demand interpretation (what you call "pharasaical lawyering"). It is impossible to understand our Bible, let alone our treatment of it, without at least some cursory Hebrew. Even off the cuff, I could give many examples.

Which is fine. The problem is that your people do the same thing to the U.S. Constitution and every single rule, guideline, tradition, and moral that isn't to their liking. No wonder Jordan Peterson is drawn to Jews. He likes debating what "truth" is too.

You have helpfully explained why Jews simply cannot successfully abide living in Western Civilization. They are not only incompatible with Christianity, but perhaps even more importantly, with the Graeco-Roman legal and philosophical tradition.

Blogger Crave March 05, 2019 7:13 AM  

@51 "Pretty much" is not very definitive. Could you show the specific Jewish rule that states Jews cannot go into any non-Jewish houses of worship?

Blogger VD March 05, 2019 7:14 AM  

While at first glance this approach appears disrespectful to and even disdainful of other faiths, I believe it reflects just the opposite.

Shimshon, with all due respect, please stop this sort of thing. Nobody gives a flying rodent's posterior of what you think of the rules or how you can justify them with flood of citations and rhetoric. When someone asks you a factual question about Judaism, just answer it straight. Don't try to spin it or frame it in a more positive light.

I appreciate that you answer these questions honestly. I really do. And I'm not saying that your feelings are illegitimate. The problem is that when you try to explain and qualify and clarify, it makes you appear to be dishonest no matter what your intentions are.

Blogger basementhomebrewer March 05, 2019 7:36 AM  

The dirty secret, as VD alluded to, is that the 2500 years of rabbinical texts deserve the slap in the face. Anyone who is honest about the nature of man knows that given enough intelligence, he will seek ways to justify the things he wants to do. The Talmud is a perfect example of that. To fully accept the Talmud you have to believe that the Lord is somewhat of a rube. You would have to believe that when the Lord asked questions like "Adam, where are you?" or "What is your name?" (to Jacob) he was genuinely seeking information he did not know and that those were not subtle rebukes.

I understand the reasons for not conducting the required sacrifices in modern Judaism (it's impossible), but I don't understand how so many things that contradict the law have been justified. Do Jews really think things suddenly got easier with the destruction of the temple?

As a Christian I believe a heavy price was paid which made things easier for those who believe even though it's still not all that easy. If you don't believe in Christ then there is nothing that justifies a sudden lightening of the requirements of the law.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 05, 2019 7:47 AM  

"Anti-semitism" is for the most part just another trap of debating angels and pinheads. While some of you are desperate to find the next great Jewish outrage upon your very existence you thru sophistry and negotiations are being gipped out of a civilization.

Blogger Shimshon March 05, 2019 7:48 AM  

"While at first glance this approach appears disrespectful to and even disdainful of other faiths, I believe it reflects just the opposite."

Vox, these are not my words. They are excerpted from the provided link.

"You have helpfully explained why Jews simply cannot successfully abide living in Western Civilization. They are not only incompatible with Christianity, but perhaps even more importantly, with the Graeco-Roman legal and philosophical tradition."

Sure. We went to war against both the Greeks (successfully) and the Romans (not so much, but we put up a good fight through three revolts spanning 70 years). Those wars were due to that very incompatibility.

I've had multiple recent encounters with friends bemoaning, for example, the recent bans on kosher slaughter in one or more European jurisdictions. Muh religious freedom!!! they exclaim. Why, I ask, are people complaining? (((We))) should not even be there! Goyim are gonna goy, as you might say.

Blogger Salt March 05, 2019 7:52 AM  

Don't try to spin it or frame it in a more positive light.

Two men going down a chimney?

Blogger Gettimothy March 05, 2019 7:55 AM  

"To suggest that our Sages had anything at all in common with the likes of Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Carter or Pat Robertson is a slap in the face of 2500 years of scholarship."

Where do the extra 570 years come from?

I have read that Judaism started when at the victory at Masada by the Romans over the Jews a rabbi snuck away and cut a deal with the Romans so he could start a school. That this happened ~70 A.D. and that this is the birth of 'Talmudism'

@13 'If Christians become judaized, are they not then Judeo-Christian?'

I think that is an appropriate insult; a bit to kind though.

I am confident St. Paul would rip them a new one.
"Oh foolish Galations!" would be rendered "You STUPID, SHALLOW, IDIOTIC, FAT, LAZY WHORES OF BABYLON! REPENT YOU BASTARDS!"

or perhaps he would just defenestrate them, on pay-per-view on CBN (which I would pay to watch).

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 05, 2019 8:18 AM  

Gettimothy wrote:Where do the extra 570 years come from?

The exile in Babylon?

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 05, 2019 8:20 AM  

Impossible to understand Jewish law?

Our Rabbi summed it up very well. Of the Pharisees, "You're traditions make the word of God of none affect." That is the goal. To controvert God's redemptive plan for humanity. When I read the Torah and see the behavior I see how it has been twisted into a supremacist guide by some to bring about the subjugation of "lesser people". Jesus specifically mentions giving deceptive oaths, and a lying. I don't see where His assessment leaves me lacking in fundental understanding.

Blogger Mocheirge March 05, 2019 8:30 AM  

If Christians become judaized, are they not then Judeo-Christian?

Nope, they are shabbos goyim. They live to assist Jews in sidestepping their interpretation of the Law.

Blogger VD March 05, 2019 8:31 AM  

Vox, these are not my words. They are excerpted from the provided link.

Ah, my apologies.

We went to war against both the Greeks (successfully) and the Romans (not so much, but we put up a good fight through three revolts spanning 70 years). Those wars were due to that very incompatibility.

That actually helps put the philosophical differences in context. I've always felt that there was more to it than just the rejection of Christianity involved, but I didn't know what it was. Now it makes complete sense. Interesting that you and Hazony should be the ones to provide the pieces that I was missing to understand the present situation in the West.

Blogger Solon March 05, 2019 8:36 AM  

I don't believe that Jews understand (or care) about the Graeco-Roman legacy of philosophy, law, and the search for absolute (not objective) truth. To semitic cultures, lying is simply a tool to use, a business tactic. If you don't get caught in a lie, it's all good.

Westerners HATE lying and liars. The kind of hate that inspires genocidal thoughts.

Scary thought for Jews: the internet is waking up more and more people to the lies and schemes of the Jews, and the fire is rising.

There are anonymous posters on /pol/ who have said that, if they had a button that would wipe out anyone on the planet with even a tiny fraction of Jewish blood, that they would smash that button and not lose a minute of sleep over it. Sounds like just the usual /pol/ bravado and posturing, but it belies the very real feelings of intense, virulent hatred toward the Jewish culture of lying, scheming, and swindling the goyim.

I considered it as a thought exercise, the "genocide button." I would hesitate, because I'm 50% Polish by heritage, and there is a chance that I have some small amount of Jewish blood in me.

However, ultimately, I concluded that even if I had enough Jewish blood in me to make me a victim of The Button, that I would press it, and consider my sacrifice well worth the betterment of the world.

Shimshon, you're a Jew. Can you possibly understand exactly how much fury your people are creating in the gentiles of the world? Can you even grasp the concept of someone willingly sacrificing themselves to make the world a brighter place, not in some vain attempt at glory, but because they truly believe that what they are doing is righteous?

Probably not. That is exactly what Jesus did, and your people aren't exactly on good terms with Him.

But it's something to think about.

By the by, don't pull the usual Jew D&C about "it's not me, it's the elites in power! Don't punish the good Jews for the evils of the bad Jews!" There are a lot of goyim who simply Do. Not. Care.

Now, personally, if you and all the Jews fucked off to Israel, I wouldn't feel the need to push The Button. I'd much rather you all left everyone else alone, and we could live in peace. Separately. Way the hell away from each other. With a big, beautiful wall between us.

But your people aren't giving my people much choice, are they?

Again, something to ponder.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 05, 2019 8:44 AM  

These types really like Jews a lot. Have they been judaized?

Judaizers in the first century were those who went around to towns where the Apostles had recently converted Jews and convinced them through whatever means necessary to reject their new Messiah. It wasn't about convincing them to like Jews; it was specifically about rejecting Christ and trying to wipe out Christianity. So no, I wouldn't call them judaized if they still have faith in Jesus Christ, however imperfectly they follow Him, because the word has a specific meaning we shouldn't let them bury. I think Mocheirge in @69 has the better term for what they are.

Blogger pyrrhus March 05, 2019 9:03 AM  

The essence of Jewish behavior, which I have personally experienced for several decades, is that no law, custom or institution will be respected or even allowed to exist if it impedes the secret goals of the tribe...Jewish friends I have had from childhood want to remove Trump from office by any means, legal or illegal...They can't even respect the fundamental point of democracy, which is elections count.

Blogger rumpole5 March 05, 2019 9:27 AM  

We need to decide, once and for all, to decide what the basic fundamental norms and values are going to be for the population that inhabits our territory. Then we need to exclude those whose values conflict, either by sending them elsewhere, or granting them their own territory. It is that simple. Any other course = "rivers of blood".

Anonymous Anonymous March 05, 2019 10:13 AM  

Shimshon wrote:I've had multiple recent encounters with friends bemoaning, for example, the recent bans on kosher slaughter in one or more European jurisdictions. Muh religious freedom!!! they exclaim. Why, I ask, are people complaining? (((We))) should not even be there! Goyim are gonna goy, as you might say.

A comment positively seething with barely restrained, palpable contempt and disdain.

You refer to the withdrawal of 'Kosher meat privileges' and imply that Europeans are unprincipled for infringing religious freedom?

What exactly do you call Jews seeking to criminalize commercial competition with Israel and suspending the first amendment by making it illegal not to trade with Israeli associated entities?

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/12/18/glenn_greenwald_congress_is_trying_to

Vox and others like myself have been warning Jews for a very long time the risks they are exposing themselves to by such flagrant disregard for the principles of the jurisdictions in which they presently reside.

How can any American observing Jewish contempt for the rule of law in the United States, or a European subject to Volksverhetzung or it's equivalents always increasing in scope and severity, care a whit for the withdrawl of Kosher Meat privileges?

Do you understand how terrible the juxtaposition of infractions of principles makes you look?

'We should not even be there': no one would engage in counter-semitism if Jews weren't engaged in seeking to destroy all the nations of Europe and turn them even further into their economic colonies.

You are correct. You should not be there, and in due course, you won't be. The current policy courses of organized Jewry whether they succeed or fail end with European Jewry expelled from either Islamic, or re-ignited Christian Nationalist Europe, or the smouldering ruin of the diversity wars. There is no point elaborating. You won't listen, you never listen. You are inveterate liars incapable of listening. We both know this is a certainty - we shall simply see what transpires.

'Goyim are gonna goy, as you might say' - no, no one might say that. That is only what Jews say and gentiles, usually Freemasons, who have adopted the same deeply sinful superiority complex say. You strip from gentiles any form of human agency or rational motive.

White European gentiles as opposed to the immigrants who are now turning on the Jews en masse, are not capricious. They are not arbitrary. They are not illogical or unreasoned. They are not vagrant. Everything they are doing is a natural and just reaction to Jewish infractions. Jews don't have to flood the West with Muslims and defecate on every facet of it's civilization. They choose to do so regardless of the consequences.

Blogger Alphaeus March 05, 2019 10:22 AM  

Very interesting that Jews do not accept Genesis 3:16 "16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. "

And they don't respect the 10 Commandments of Moses, either?

I think the problem is not so much with the term "Judaeo-Christian" as it is that the Judaeos have rejected their own Judaeo-ism.

It is also my theory that Talmudic Jews invented Islam and wrote the Koran for the purpose of using it like a hammer to smash Christianity. Because there is no doubt whatsoever that the Jews are enemies of the gospel of Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

Romans 11 explains it:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 05, 2019 10:24 AM  

Shimshon wrote:The stupid hurts. To say we have "more" or "less" in common with foreign beliefs is absurd. It is literally impossible to quantify. It's irrelevant in such a "measure" whether one can or cannot enter one of their places of worship.
The point is that the OP palpably hates and fears Christians. The rest is justification for his emotional turmoil.

Anonymous Anonymous March 05, 2019 10:30 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Sure. We went to war against both the Greeks (successfully) and the Romans (not so much, but we put up a good fight through three revolts spanning 70 years). Those wars were due to that very incompatibility.

Now the overt hostility and barely constrained threat behind Gamma passive aggression. Have you witnessed the news? The !!!Americans!!! you have imported to assuage your internal pathologies catalysed by the spectacle of Europeans thriving on their soil are turning on you, en masse. The brown people who enjoy government largesse and only understand identity politics are not going to accept Jewish leadership and are emancipating themselves from it in the present electoral cycle. Similarly, ever American who witnessed the farce of CPAC understands that CPAC is now just a subsidiary of AIPAC.

As Stephen Steinlight said in 2001 in his paper on Jewish policy on American immigration - transforming posterity America into a persecuted minority too quickly risks whites developing racial or national consciousness, and their replacements refusing continuation of Jewish preferences, policy and privileges. Well, it's all happening Shimshon.

Assailed from the Left, and having betrayed every unit of the Right and thus rejected - whither will you turn?

It is interesting as Vox said, to be told outright of the incompatibility not just with Christianity, but also with the Greco-Roman tradition. That's a comprehensive repudiation of the West as a whole. That's really disappointing, given that we are informed that the West simply could not abide without the superlative, irreplaceable leadership of the Jews. No wonder every intellectual domain from art to science is in crisis - they are all a reflection of the Jewish ethos, so naturally they are in a state of degradation.

I genuinely don't mean to present a vulgar hostility. I just ask that you be forthright, not just candid. Assume that everyone here has to hand real insight, not just the distorted disclosures for the evil, stupid, hapless gentiles. Also assume we understand conversational meta and tone.

Just going back further to the theme of Jewish-Muslim alliance.

Here is Pinchas Goldschmidt decrying 'rising anti-semitism' in Europe on the Big Black Cock media network known as the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3ct4f9t
In essence 'oy-vey, all the anti-semites we are trying to replace Europeans with are behaving in an anti-semitic fashion - therefore Western nations much cede to us all of their rights and freedoms in punishment'

Here is the same man who is the President of the Council of European Rabbis announcing common cause with Islam to oppose European Christian Nationalism:
http://conservative-headlines.org/jews-muslims-common-cause-to-oppose-european-nationalists-europes-top-rabbi/

Why? Why make common-cause with the anti-Semites you criticise to one audience, and conspire with when you think you are absent audience?

The sheer irrationality of all of this is what looms so large in the western consciousness. We would genuinely like to share a civilization with you. All you have to do is manage your Ids and refrain from seeking to destroy us, whilst reversing victimhood, and victimising the perpetrators - being you, the Jews, and your muslim friends.

It's not going to be like the historical Jewish actions against the Greeks and Romans.

Anonymous Anonymous March 05, 2019 10:30 AM  

It's amazing now how quickly these discussions always resolve now very quickly into irreconcilable positions - the European, seeking to exist, the Jew, seeking to end that existence, resolving to double-down on every present trajectory, consumed by hatred and pique. Always adopting the chief interaction strategem 'reverse causality - victimise the perpetrator' - whether it be the muslim who commits terrorism - or the Jew who fakes a hate-crime, always the Jewish impulse is to reverse causality, and victimise the perpetrator through an endless series of contextualisations and qualifications. The tolerance for that is finished.

It's interesting. Jews are indeed intertwined with Islam - as both are emanations of Satan. Muhammad Ib Abdul Wahab was a descendent of Turkish Donmeh Jews. The Donmeh followed Shabbetai Zevi, who convered to Islam in 1666, whilst his followers secretly retained their Kabbalistic occultism. The Shabbateans were later led by Jacob Frank. They're supposedly minor. But like the Chabad Lubovitzers, whose Rabbi Yosef Schneerson betrayed the assimilated Jews in Germany in cooperation with the Nazis, they figure very prominently in world affairs, always behind the scenes.

t-Patrilineal Jew.





Blogger VD March 05, 2019 10:31 AM  

A comment positively seething with barely restrained, palpable contempt and disdain. You refer to the withdrawal of 'Kosher meat privileges' and imply that Europeans are unprincipled for infringing religious freedom?

You have it backwards. Shimshon is defending the right of Europeans to make their own laws and infringe the freedom of foreign religions. He's telling the Jews resident in Europe that they have no right to criticize the European nations doing as they please.

He is a man living in his own nation-state criticizing his fellow nationals who do not.

Anonymous Anonymous March 05, 2019 10:47 AM  

VD wrote:You have it backwards. Shimshon is defending the right of Europeans to make their own laws and infringe the freedom of foreign religions. He's telling the Jews resident in Europe that they have no right to criticize the European nations doing as they please.

Ah so this is a good Israeli.

Sorry Shimshon. I retract, apologise, and withdraw.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 05, 2019 11:03 AM  

@61
It's interesting to note that one of the respected halakhic authorities cited by Shimshom in @46 -- right up there with Maimonides -- is Ovadia Josef, the late Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel. Josef, who died in 2013, was indeed a respected Talmudic scholar, as well as a very popular figure in Israel. 800,000 people attended his funeral -- the largest in Israel's history, and a remarkable number for a country of only 8 million.

http://archive.is/1u7Wd

Josef had some interesting things to say about non-Jews:

http://archive.is/8ZAMB

Sephardi leader Yosef: Non-Jews exist to serve Jews
"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money."

“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created."


Diaspora secular organizations like the ADL were horrified by Josef's honesty, of course, and quickly disavowed... but when was the last time you saw Abe Foxman cited as one of the all-time great halakhic authorities?

Blogger JM March 05, 2019 1:20 PM  

I am a Christian. I was circumcised shortly after birth by a Jewish pediatrician. A week later I was baptized. (Note how sickeningly inverted that is: christian tradition being replaced by a Jewish blood sacrifice, followed by baptism on the day when Jewish babies are normally circumcised.) Does that make me a "Judeo-Christian?"

Blogger Meng Greenleaf March 05, 2019 5:29 PM  

I love this word "goyeshe kop".

How is it pronounced? I want to use it to describe all I despise. But mostly to label White cis-gendered gammas and other progressive socialists.

An Ode To Zeus: goyeshe kop

I want to use it as a proper noun.
A verb.
A gerund.
Oh how I love this magnificent magnanimous malevolent word!

:)

Blogger Dad29 March 05, 2019 7:24 PM  

That quote from The Jewish Press would explain Mark Levin's noticeable animosity to the Catholic Church. Even if he's only a Conservative, not an Orthodox, his dislike is very, very clear.

Blogger Dad29 March 05, 2019 7:40 PM  

@Shimson 46: Until around 1965 (?) Catholics were forbidden to go to non-Catholic churches for such things as weddings, funerals, (etc.) of friends or relatives, period.

That rule has been modified; we can GO to a non-Catholic church for such events, but we are not allowed to "participate" in the service by joining the prayers, etc.

However....John Paul II set a different example at Assisi and there is no longer a clear-cut regulation on the question.

Your explanation of the Jewish position is very good, indeed...and IMHO should be copied by Catholic legislators.

Blogger Boomer55 March 06, 2019 12:55 AM  

It occurred to be that the jews who ARE "our brothers" would be the Karaite Jews, or any jews that are faithful that follow the tanakh. Most othordox jews are way too Talmudic,, and are thus anti jesus. Most reform jews might as well be Unitarians, there's NOTHING there!

Blogger Lazzaloveman March 06, 2019 8:25 AM  

Who cares if Shimshon is Israel. What unknown writes is true.

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