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Thursday, March 07, 2019

No duel-citizenships for legislators

Israel doesn't permit dual-citizenship legislators. Why does the USA?
Approximately one-third of the Knesset members who will be sworn in at a special ceremony on Tuesday are newcomers to the Israeli parliament. Among them are five who, before pledging to serve the Israeli people, had to formally renounce foreign citizenships.

The requirement to give up non-Israeli citizenship did not take Rachel Azaria (Kulanu), Ksenia Svetlova (Zionist Union), Haim Jelin (Yesh Atid), Abdullah Abu Maaruf (Joint Arab List), and Yoav Kisch (Likud) by surprise. While Israelis may hold dual citizenship, a Basic Law passed in 1958 states that Knesset members cannot pledge allegiance as parliamentarians unless their foreign citizenship has been revoked under the laws of that country....

Azaria, a 38-year-old Jerusalem deputy mayor, renounced her American citizenship, which she had held by virtue of her mother having been born in the US.... Two years ago, when the 19th Knesset was sworn in, there were also five new MKs who had to give up foreign citizenships in order to take their seats. Like Azaria, two of them — Jewish Home leader Naftali Bennett and Yesh Atid’s Rabbi Dov Lipman — gave up their US passports.
One can't help but notice that Israel also has a wall....

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57 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 07, 2019 9:08 AM  

I for one hopes the American Left involves itself in the coming election in Israel, I don't see anything but at least for the lulz I sure hope they step up to the plate against Bibi Trump.

Blogger JG March 07, 2019 9:18 AM  

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Blogger McChuck March 07, 2019 9:28 AM  

I'm all for duels for American legislators. They should be held on their Statehouse lawns every Independence Day.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira March 07, 2019 9:35 AM  

There is truth to this. I was born and raised in Canada, fought for Canada, but would never fight my fellow half-Portuguese half-Sicilians on behalf of this *bloody* Queen of England.

Blogger Jew613 March 07, 2019 9:42 AM  

Mr. Mantraman, the US government regularly interferes in Israeli elections. V15 was an Obama era state department front group which tried to bring down Bibi and get a Leftist government into power during the last election.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 07, 2019 9:47 AM  

Well, they aren't white after all.

Remember, it is only those of European descent who have to adhere to all these rules which ultimately destroy us. Everyone else is exempt.

Blogger Stilicho March 07, 2019 9:47 AM  

"One can't help but notice that Israel also has a wall...."

And a national religion/explicit religious identity and a culture based on that religion and the history of their tribe. Hmmm... someone should inform the SLPC, AIPAC, and the AICLU

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 07, 2019 9:55 AM  

Did Nate's whiskey survive the storms?

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 07, 2019 9:59 AM  

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Blogger R Devere March 07, 2019 10:01 AM  

Alright, who is going to show the entire list of dual citizens who hold office in the US Congress???

I'll start: 1) Adam Schiff (D), US/Israel.....

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 07, 2019 10:04 AM  

Of course, why not the obverse?

That Israel prohibits being a citizen to individuals when they are ALSO a legislator in another country?

Anyway, the idea, for example, that Bernie Sanders or Richard Blumenthal or the dozens of other Congress folk who have Israeli citizenship due to the loosey-goosey Law of Return, will somehow become MORE USA oriented if they are stripped of Israeli citizenship, is ludicrous on the face of it.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 07, 2019 10:11 AM  

Would it be wrong to demand that all members of state should renounce their dual citizenship or face charges of treason?

I know for a fact that you can't get a security clearance in the US if you have dual citizenship. In fact, I heard a story where a guy was almost denied his clearance because his roommate had dual citizenship.

More evidence that the US is run by a corrupt and decadent aristocracy.

Blogger Iron Spartan March 07, 2019 10:16 AM  

No dual citizenship should be allowed for anyone drawing a government paycheck, from the a halls of the Capitol to municipal garbage men.

A man cannot serve two masters.

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 07, 2019 10:19 AM  

No dual citizenship should be allowed for anyone.

And just leave it at that.

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 07, 2019 10:26 AM  

Just think of the duels that are going on in their poor little heads all the time.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 07, 2019 10:44 AM  

Patrick Kelly wrote:No dual citizenship should be allowed for anyone.

And just leave it at that.


Well, here's one drawback to that: American soccer players, unless they met the onerous UK work rules about national team appearances, would not be able to train and play in the Premier league if they had just a USA passport.

Blogger Ledford Ledford March 07, 2019 10:47 AM  

Jew613 wrote:Mr. Mantraman, the US government regularly interferes in Israeli elections. V15 was an Obama era state department front group which tried to bring down Bibi and get a Leftist government into power during the last election.

Likely a manifestation of the growing rift between Israeli Jews and diaspora Jews.

Blogger Desdichado March 07, 2019 10:48 AM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:
Well, here's one drawback to that: American soccer players, unless they met the onerous UK work rules about national team appearances, would not be able to train and play in the Premier league if they had just a USA passport.

So what? That only impacts a literal handful of people to whom it applies, and nobody else cares. With very few exceptions, Americans don't care about soccer anyway. If you're going to make exceptions to citizenship rules based on something as frivolous as sports participation, at least pick a sport that Americans care about.

Blogger Avalanche March 07, 2019 10:58 AM  

@3 Duels "should be held on their Statehouse lawns every Independence Day."

Nah, too infrequent. Let's add: Presidents Day, Labor Day, Flag Day, Armistice Day, Columbus Day each of the services' birthdays .... any others? Maybe Mother's Day and Father's Day? Valentines Day?

Blogger Avalanche March 07, 2019 11:02 AM  

@11 "will somehow become MORE USA oriented if they are stripped of Israeli citizenship, is ludicrous on the face of it."

They will use the Kol Nidre to excuse them for having to "lie" all year:

Kol Nidre: "statement of annulment of vows"

"Yeah-uh, that 'vow' I made to the U.S. releasing my first loyalty to israel? Yeah, JUST KIDDING! Never mind."

Blogger Robert Pinkerton March 07, 2019 11:11 AM  

Another one Israel gets right and we do not. Ironically, Israel will fulfill its self-designated role as "... light of the nations..," by showing the rest of us how properly to operate an ethno-polis. Israel takes survival seriously.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 07, 2019 11:51 AM  

Desdichado wrote:KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:

Well, here's one drawback to that: American soccer players, unless they met the onerous UK work rules about national team appearances, would not be able to train and play in the Premier league if they had just a USA passport.


So what? That only impacts a literal handful of people to whom it applies, and nobody else cares. With very few exceptions, Americans don't care about soccer anyway. If you're going to make exceptions to citizenship rules based on something as frivolous as sports participation, at least pick a sport that Americans care about.


Wow...SOOOOOOO serious.

Touched a nerve, did I?

I was taking this discussion to where it belonged from the start -- the realm of frivolousness.

Again, the notion, implied in Vox's posting, that if we JUST forced legislators NOT to be dual citizens, folks would change their attitudes, is absolutely postively absurd.

It's pure symobolism, an incantation, waving an incense pot.

"Loyalty" to Israel doesn't stem from having a passport, a piece of paper.

It's ethnic, and tribal, and I bet Vox knows that better than anyone.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 07, 2019 12:00 PM  

It's pure symobolism, an incantation, waving an incense pot.

"Loyalty" to Israel doesn't stem from having a passport, a piece of paper.

It's ethnic, and tribal, and I bet Vox knows that better than anyone.


So why object to such a rule? If it's "only symbolism," I mean...

Blogger Stilicho March 07, 2019 12:04 PM  

@KPK you have it exactly backwards-there is no need to strip anyone's dual citizenship---they simply should be ineligible for federal or state office.

Blogger JAG March 07, 2019 12:13 PM  

Big Bear had a comment on recent stream about Chuck U. Schumer. He's one of your dual citizens. Funny thing, Schumer is pro murder of babies in the USA, but is pro-life in Israel. Gee, there's no conniving or evil going on there!

When/if the horsemen ride, people like Schumer will have about 48 hours to exit the continent to his real home for which he is loyal. He is here as a destroyer, and we are noticing.

Blogger Lance E March 07, 2019 12:21 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:So why object to such a rule? If it's "only symbolism," I mean...

Reminds me of the lefties saying we shouldn't build a wall because walls don't work anyway, and 51-foot ladders and something something. O RLY? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Let's imagine that it is, in fact, a mere ritual with no practical effect on loyalty. So? "Preferred pronouns" are also a mere ritual with no practical effect on biological sex. These silly little rituals perform the very important function of telling everyone who is in charge, how seriously they enforce their rules, and who is loyal to them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2019 12:28 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:Again, the notion, implied in Vox's posting, that if we JUST forced legislators NOT to be dual citizens, folks would change their attitudes, is absolutely postively absurd.
It's pure symobolism, an incantation, waving an incense pot.
"Loyalty" to Israel doesn't stem from having a passport, a piece of paper.
It's ethnic, and tribal, and I bet Vox knows that better than anyone.

Wow. You really ARE stupid. All this time I thought it was Boomer-stupid, but you're stupid-stupid.

Blogger VD March 07, 2019 12:37 PM  

Again, the notion, implied in Vox's posting, that if we JUST forced legislators NOT to be dual citizens, folks would change their attitudes, is absolutely postively absurd.

That isn't the notion at all, explicit or implied. Every journey begins with a single step. I'd be fine with them simply banning all dual-citizenships and repatriating all dual-citizens.

Blogger VD March 07, 2019 12:37 PM  

Wow...SOOOOOOO serious. Touched a nerve, did I?

Found the Gamma.

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2019 12:37 PM  

It's pure symobolism...

So is putting on a wedding ring, you aspie idiot.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 07, 2019 12:57 PM  

#5 The statistical odds of a non-Jew making anything more than copies within that group you mention are pretty low. Honestly like Jean Respail wrote years ago with Israel we will always have entertainment. And FTR I support Israel as a Jewish state.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 07, 2019 1:13 PM  

Like the walls in Israel, no dual citizenship will be yet one more thing that Israel can have but the USA can't. And with cuckpublicans being more apt to keep it that way.

Blogger FUBARwest March 07, 2019 1:35 PM  

The irony is that the Democratic party will be the first group to oust (((them))) from the halls of power. Omar is doing more good for the nation than most Republican congressman have and shes been there less than 6 months.

Blogger Shimshon March 07, 2019 1:48 PM  

Moshe Feiglin has said that he will demand the Finance and Education Ministries in any coalition that includes him. The Finance Ministry could probably seriously gum up the works in receiving and spending the $3B annual aid. Among many other useful powers. It is looking more and more likely Zehut will gain ascent into the next Knesset, and perhaps even be the kingmaker.

Blogger Balkan Yankee March 07, 2019 2:31 PM  

David Duke has endorsed Ilan Omar as "the most important member of the US Congress."

https://davidduke.com/thursday190131-4/

And it's only March 2019!

Blogger S1AL March 07, 2019 2:39 PM  

There's a certain irony in using the written word to complain about symbolism...

Blogger Matamoros March 07, 2019 3:35 PM  

89 of our Senators and Congress hold dual citizenship citizenship with Israel

https://prepareforchange.net/2018/06/22/89-of-our-senators-and-congress-hold-dual-citizenship-citizenship-with-israel/

Blogger Sargent.matrim March 07, 2019 4:54 PM  

Australia has a similar law, it's in our constitution that members of parliament cannot be dual citizens. Just recently it was shown that many members of our parliament were flouting the law.

The worst part is that so many of our country didn't care. Largely because so much of our country is born overseas, and lot's are not from western traditions.

That gives a good example of how mass immigration weakens nationalist loyalties.

Thankfully the law was enforced and many of those people were removed.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 07, 2019 5:11 PM  

Absent U.S. political/military/economic support and vast annual wealth transfers (exceeding "official" aid by 10X), Israel would dry up and blow away within 6 months.

If they really are favored by God as the evangelicucks imagine, God will sustain them without us. If they aren't, we certainly should not sustain them.

Blogger Gen. Kong March 07, 2019 5:29 PM  

Avalanche wrote:

@3 Duels "should be held on their Statehouse lawns every Independence Day."

Nah, too infrequent. Let's add: Presidents Day, Labor Day, Flag Day, Armistice Day, Columbus Day each of the services' birthdays .... any others? Maybe Mother's Day and Father's Day? Valentines Day?


You're forgetting MLK Day. Black lives matter, after all. The MLK special could be held in Killadelphia or nearby Lagos on Chesapeake. We could even hire everybody's favorite "white hispanic" (Peruvian Octaroon) George Zimmermann as MC. That would be worth some serious pay-per-view.

Blogger The Lab Manager March 07, 2019 6:51 PM  

Hell, why not?

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/19/bring-back-dueling/

Blogger Jew613 March 07, 2019 7:07 PM  

Matamoros, no they don't. Being Jewish and a citizen of Israel are different things.

Blogger Solon March 07, 2019 7:46 PM  

Were the ones removed Jewish, by chance? I somehow doubt it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 07, 2019 7:47 PM  

Jew613, are you saying they haven't picked up their passports yet? Or that they are not and cannot be Israeli citizens?

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2019 8:17 PM  

The Dems had their Omar vote. Driscoll over at Instapundit links to thenewneo saying:

I don’t think Democrats much care if they lose the Jewish vote, because the number of Jews in the US is small and highly concentrated in places that are and will remain Democratic enclaves even without the Jewish vote.

There's also a comment about not being worried about the donors, they'll stay on the reservation. I was going to say "well, last time the Dems didn't care about losing Jewish voters, the Neo-cons defected to the GOP."

Then I realized that too was ultimately a win for the Dems.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 07, 2019 8:19 PM  

@5
Mr. Mantraman, the US government regularly interferes in Israeli elections. V15 was an Obama era state department front group which tried to bring down Bibi and get a Leftist government into power during the last election

As @17 pointed out, this sort of thing has far more to do with J Street-type diaspora Jews "interfering" in Israeli elections than with the historic American nation per se. This kind of activity is an inevitable consequence of grafting a nation-state onto the preexisting "nation without a state" model... and trying to maintain both.

For example:

J Street Israel's 2019 Election

And attempting to portray Obama as somehow "anti-Zionist" is just silly. Just look at (((Penny Pritzker's))) critical role in Barry's meteoric rise from the backwaters of the Illinois state legislature to the White House in a mere 4 years. He would not have made it to the presidency without Pritzker support. And the Pritzkers are ardent Zionists.

Mondoweiss - Pritzker's Support Crucial

It wasn't just the Pritzkers:

New Yorker - Special Relationships

Obama had financial backing from all over, including from a class of young black entrepreneurs. But he has had Jewish mentors throughout his career. Philanthropists like Bettylu Saltzman, Penny Pritzker, and Lester Crown were crucial to his campaigns. His friend and neighbor the late Arnold Jacob Wolf was a rabbi. Michelle Obama’s cousin Capers C. Funnye, Jr., is the first African-American member of the Chicago Board of Rabbis and the spiritual leader of Beth Shalom, a congregation on the South Side. One of Obama’s closest colleagues in Springfield was Ira Silverstein, an Orthodox Jew, with whom he shared an office suite in the Capitol building; Obama acted as Silverstein’s shabbos goy, turning on lights and pushing elevator buttons for him on Saturdays.

....

One of his mentors in Chicago, Abner Mikva, a former congressman, federal judge, and counsel to Bill Clinton, jokingly told the Chicago Jewish News during the campaign, “I think when this is all over, people are going to say that Barack Obama is the first Jewish president.” O.K., not quite, but he did win seventy-eight per cent of the Jewish vote.

Blogger Hammerli 280 March 07, 2019 9:11 PM  

I find it astonishing that any member of Congress would have dual citizenship. Clearly, we need to correct that. And if that means deporting a slew of Dems, so much the better.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 08, 2019 3:01 AM  

Just to state the obvious, for discussion. All Jews have a theoretical right to live in Israel, which can't really be renounced, based on the Law of Return. Any individual Jew may have done nothing to take advantage of it. Does Peter Schiff have an Israeli passport?

Rahm Emmanuel served in the Israeli army, so he's an actual dual citizen.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 08, 2019 3:11 AM  

Seeing as Israel doesn't acknowledge things like "renunciation of Jewishness" there is literally nothing an American Jew can do to separate himself from his tribe.

So banning "dual citizens" from Congress, then citing the Law of Return as proof of dial citizenship would effectively ban all Jews from Congress.

I realize that is an excellent and desirable outcome for most readers here, but it's probably not seen as fair by most legacy Americans.

Perhaps making all legislators declare all passports they hold would be an interesting and doable first step

Blogger Jack Amok March 08, 2019 3:51 AM  

I realize that is an excellent and desirable outcome for most readers here, but it's probably not seen as fair by most legacy Americans.

Eh, perhaps true, but also irrelevant. By the time the US government will be willing to consider banning dual citizenship - and actually enforcing such a ban - Legacy America won't much care about being fair. This is all just the run-up to a preference cascade. When that happens, the Overton Window won't just move, the whole wall it's mounted in will fall over. Political realities will be very different on the other side.

Blogger phunktor March 08, 2019 12:16 PM  

Tuesday

Blogger phunktor March 08, 2019 12:23 PM  

Ok Wednesday too

Blogger phunktor March 08, 2019 12:38 PM  

Ice the hue and cry die down it will become clear how unwise the “ urn the witch” response to Omar has been 1) “ Jews are too powerful in the US
2) YOU CANT. SAY THAT!!
3) “SEZ WHO?”
4. ) UM ERRR ....
5) (bows)

Blogger phunktor March 08, 2019 12:47 PM  

Oncethe uniparty(r) realizes there ain’t no mo point and shreik from the uniparty(d) Katy bar the fkn door

Blogger phunktor March 08, 2019 12:49 PM  

Ok Wednesday too

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 09, 2019 11:22 PM  

VD wrote:Again, the notion, implied in Vox's posting, that if we JUST forced legislators NOT to be dual citizens, folks would change their attitudes, is absolutely postively absurd.

That isn't the notion at all, explicit or implied. Every journey begins with a single step. I'd be fine with them simply banning all dual-citizenships and repatriating all dual-citizens.


You might be fine with it, and heck, I might be fine with it, but thinking that this possibility is a realistic outcome is wasted motion.

Again it's about attitudes, about turns of mind, not about unrealistic possibilities of repatriation or forced exile...or the posession of passports.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 09, 2019 11:27 PM  

VD wrote:Wow...SOOOOOOO serious. Touched a nerve, did I?

Found the Gamma.


Hmmm...maybe you need to learn about how pulling someone's chain, and getting them to take what you say SOOOOO seriously, is neither Gamma, nor Alpha, nor Beta, nor Delta, but simply amusing.

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