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Friday, March 01, 2019

No Venezuelan Spring

The neocons have met with their first setback in South America, according to the Saker:
The standoff between Venezuela and the AngloZionist Empire last week-end has clearly ended in what can only be called a total defeat for Elliott Abrams. While we will never know what was initially planned by the demented minds of the Neocons, what we do know is that nothing critical happened: no invasion, not even any major false flag operation. The most remarkable facet of the standoff is how little effect all the AngloZionist propaganda has had inside Venezuela. There were clashes, including some rather violent ones, across the border, but nothing much happened in the rest of the country. Furthermore, while a few senior officers and a few soldiers did commit treason and join forces with the enemy, the overwhelming majority of the Venezuelan military remained faithful to the Constitution. Finally, it appears that Maduro and his ministers were successful in devising a strategy combining roadblocks, a concert on the Venezuelan side, and the minimal but effective use of riot police to keep the border closed. Most remarkably, “unidentified snipers” did not appear to shoot at both sides (a favorite tactic of the Empire to justify its interventions). I give the credit for this to whatever Venezuelan (or allied) units were in charge of counter-sniper operations along the border.

Outside Venezuela this first confrontation has also been a defeat for the Empire. Not only did most countries worldwide not recognize the AngloZionist puppet, but the level of protest and opposition to what appeared to be the preparations for a possible invasion (or, at least, a military operation of some kind) was remarkably high. While the legacy corporate Ziomedia did what it always does (that is whatever the Empire wants it to do), the Internet and the blogosphere were overwhelmingly opposed to a direct US intervention. This situation also created a great deal of internal political tensions in various Latin American countries whose public opinion remains strongly opposed to any form of US imperial control over Latin America.

In this respect, the situation with Brazil is particularly interesting. While the Brazilian government fully backed the US coup attempt, the Brazilian military was most uncomfortable with this. My contacts in Brazil had correctly predicted that the Brazilian military would refuse to attack Venezuela and, eventually, the Brazilians even issued a statement to that effect.
Meanwhile, the American public is almost entirely indifferent to Venezuela.

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69 Comments:

Blogger Ingot9455 March 01, 2019 8:50 PM  

Some Americans do enjoy having Venezuela around to laugh and point at for a current socialist example.

Blogger Xellos March 01, 2019 9:13 PM  

I don't like Maduro at all, but I recognise he's not my (or USA's) damn business. Let the Venezuelan military take him down.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 01, 2019 9:13 PM  

I get all of the proper hate towards the Trotskyites. They are the enemy. But why on God's Green Earth is Saker drinking Maduro's koolaid?

Yes it's a rhetorical question.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 01, 2019 9:16 PM  

Maduro is a creep and Venezeula has been ruined by him and Chavez's idiotic policies.

So, "anglo-Zionism" aside, I still hope the regime goes sooner, rather than later.

The author of the extended quote is an obsessive-compulsive.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 01, 2019 9:16 PM  

I would argue there is a moral justification for regime change in Venezuela because Maduro's incompetence is causing mass emigration which is affecting other South American countries. At this point, the only worse ruler than Maduro would be a Cuban communist.

That said, though, mass emigration isn't yet affecting the U.S., and I'm sure the neocons would find some way of making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.

But if Colombia and others want to kick out Maduro, let them. They'd have as much right to do so as the Romanians did Bela Kun in 1920, or the Vietnamese to the Khmer Rouge in 1979.

Blogger eclecticme March 01, 2019 9:17 PM  

I was shocked that anyone in DC could advocate "regime change" with a straight face. I mean, it worked so well before... John McCaine is spinning in his grave at this missed opoportunity.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 01, 2019 9:18 PM  

You mean Michael Hudson might be right? He predicted a NeoCon disaster - http://www.unz.com/mhudson/trumps-brilliant-strategy-to-dismember-u-s-dollar-hegemony/ - as allowed by the G-E!

Blogger Alphaeus March 01, 2019 9:21 PM  

Venezuela is like Somalia. Somalia should have been taken over and cleansed by Ethiopia and Kenya a long time ago. Venezuela should be cleansed by Columbia and Brazil and whoever else is sick and tired of all the refugees flooding in to their countries down there.

Blogger Lazarus March 01, 2019 9:29 PM  

What is up the socialist failure to supply enough toilet paper?

What's that about?

Blogger Ostar March 01, 2019 9:32 PM  

Let Venezuela fail on it's own. Western socialists need their noses rubbed in poop so they can maybe learn not to crap in their own houses.

Blogger eclecticme March 01, 2019 9:34 PM  

The US sanctions will be blamed now for economic harm to VE. Anyone backed by the US will be tainted forever and rejected by the VE people. Let the neighboring countries handle it, if anyone does.

As long as no one in DC mentions a "responsibility to protect" my head will not explode.

The Duran covers VE well when it does.

Blogger Johnny March 01, 2019 9:35 PM  

Some time ago Chavez set up groups of armed civilian supporters around the country. I wonder if that is still around? And I would imagine the local military guys have figured out that revolt is mostly a loser, and self interest is keeping them disinterested.

Blogger Lovekraft March 01, 2019 9:39 PM  

Is this more a case of competing interests wanting a piece of the pie, or passing the buck and avoiding complicity?

Up here in Canada there's the current crisis that involves Libya, lap dances and legislative traps set out by Harper's government (in the wake of massive Liberal cronyism via The Sponsorship Scandal). Why the country's leading political party needs to get bogged down in this begs the question of why certain countries and regions need to be disengaged. Same for Venezuela. The benefits aren't worth the risk.

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2019 9:51 PM  

At this point, I'm reflexively opposed to any military action anywhere else in the world, until we're successfully defending our own damn borders from incursion. The upside-down priorities in our capitol is a sign of capital treason. Someone needs to be hung.

Blogger bobby March 01, 2019 10:15 PM  

What we just saw was an exploratory poke.

Maduro, following Chavez, has unquestionably screwed the pooch for Venezuela. The standard of living has tanked, oil infrastructure is ruined, foreign relations are nonexistent, food is scarce . . .

And so lots of Westerners poked at it to see what reaction the poke might raise in the Venezuelan people.

It didn't raise enough of a reaction for anyone to consider going farther.

Maybe if the country showed a general internal desire for change, it would be worthwhile to poke some more, but there just wasn't any sense that the beleaguered people were disgusted with Maduro sufficiently to rise up against him.

It's one thing to encourage a downtrodden people to cast off their chains, and another to assume that that's what they want and go ahead with it without their support. We gauged their desire, found it lacking, and backed away.

I think Trump handled this perfectly. If Venezuela wants our help after this, they need to ask for it, and demonstrate their resolve.

Blogger cyrus83 March 01, 2019 10:16 PM  

It's possible to believe both that Venezuela's Maduro should be deposed and that if it's going to happen, the Venezuelans themselves need to be the ones to do it.

The Venezuelan people voted in Chavez despite the known failures of socialism, and despite the fact the politics of envy are self-destructive to a nation. They are going to have to remove Maduro themselves for the next government to have any chance at being seen as legitimate within the country and avoid the next would-be populist snake-oil salesman who would come along railing against a corrupt and puppet government controlled by a foreign power.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 01, 2019 10:28 PM  

@bobby @cyrus83

The average IQ in Venezuela is 84, similar to black Americans, so there's that...

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 01, 2019 10:36 PM  

@3 They are the enemy. But why on God's Green Earth is Saker drinking Maduro's koolaid?

My take is that the Saker is speaking more against the evil empire than he is speaking in favor of Maduro.

Blogger Johnny March 01, 2019 10:46 PM  

Oh they would like to be rid of Maduro all right. About 80 percent of the population want him gone. But boot him out and then he is gone. But after that people forget and are ingrates. And it's just so easy to blame a foreigner for whatever.

There is a film clip out there somewhere of Chavez seizing buildings. He is in a park with some children cheering him on to add atmosphere. He looks at a building and says something like, "isn't that a nice building." And then they cheer him on when he says it is our building now. The good old days in Venezuela.

It used to be that whatever happened in your country you had to live through it with no expectation of aid from anybody. Give it time and maybe we will be back to that. The neighboring countries seal the borders and whatever happens in there happens in there. Mexico may be headed for failed state status also.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 01, 2019 11:03 PM  

Any involvement with Venezuela is only going to mean "thousands and thousands more then they chain migrate their relatives" of Venezuelans coming here, and then once in Amedica, stick their hands out and vote socialist.

Let them rot in the socialist hell they asked for. The more that starve to death the less risk we have of having to put up with their, and their 20 relatives', votes.

Blogger dtbb March 01, 2019 11:06 PM  

What hapoened to the good ole South American revolutonary days?

Blogger Johnny March 01, 2019 11:50 PM  

Part of it may be that we (apparently) sponsored a revolt against Chavez that failed and some generals ended up in jail. Plus I suppose the times don't favor rule by the military and so there isn't much reward for the military guys revolting.

And, by the way, I think they now have the military delivering food. I suppose that keeps the army well fed. You know, some of the food somehow finds its way into the barracks, or even sold on the black market. Keeping the big shots comfy by covert means is what they did a lot of in the USSR.

Maybe this whole aid for people thing is a transitory period of history because it produces what we see. An expanding population of people who need it because it is there. During the Great Depression aid broke down because the need was so great it overburdened the system.

Blogger Instinctive Bear March 01, 2019 11:51 PM  

Venezuela has a history of failed coup attempts against unpopular, corrupt governments. Chavez led one in 1992 and launched his political career immediately after being pardoned for it and released from prison.

The legacy of Juan Vicente Gómez lives on and I'm sure the legends are still told. Many seemed to believe that his reign represented the best times the country had ever known.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 01, 2019 11:58 PM  

I keep hearing that Trump is a puppet of Israel, the neocons around him have him snowed, Jared and Ivanka, blah blah blah. But when it comes down to the actual results, they never quite seem to what they wanted. I suppose they're just having a string of bad luck.

Blogger bossHawg March 02, 2019 12:18 AM  

>Meanwhile, the American public is almost entirely indifferent to Venezuela.

that describes me perfectly. my only thoughts on venezuela are this: i dont want us getting involved in their internal affairs. i neither know nor care what side did what to who

Blogger Jamie-R March 02, 2019 12:24 AM  

Fascinating. It's so much easier, and closer to their interests, to keep fighting deep state wars in the Middle East & Central Asia. This pivot to South America was kinda amusing. I guess they gotta try something, but the big kid isn't pushing the little one around as much.

Blogger Gulo Gulo March 02, 2019 12:41 AM  

Venezuela is your garden variety shit show that's produced by communist central planning. But it's their mess not ours. Outside of the illegal invaders that hop our border - fleeing the worker's paradise -it doesn't concern the US at all. And we all know what could easily fix that problem.... a big beautiful wall wrapped in layers and layers of razor wire.

Blogger Alain de Benoist March 02, 2019 1:12 AM  

Trump's foreign policy comes down to: "shout loudly and carry a toothpick."

Not that I have a problem with this...

Blogger Jack Amok March 02, 2019 1:23 AM  

Venezuela is like Somalia.

You're right, they both sound like diseases you could get on a visit to Miami.

Blogger SciVo March 02, 2019 1:52 AM  

Speaking of warmongering neocons: how long have we been getting Narrative-busting poll results like these?

"Roughly 84 percent of Republicans, more than 60 percent of Democrats, and 76 percent of Independents said they would be more likely to support a candidate that opposes endless foreign wars. This anti-war platform is the most popular among conservative voters, 84 percent of whom said they would be more likely to support a candidate that talks like Trump on foreign policy."

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 02, 2019 3:46 AM  

So what is your answer to your own rhetorical question, please. I would really like to know. I used to read the Saker a lot a few years ago and get the feeling something has got to him recently, be it money, be it mental issues, be it senility...

Blogger tc March 02, 2019 5:21 AM  

What is to happen with poor ol' "Guido" after this fiasco? Imagine he shall apply for a status...might not even get one based upon subpar services rendered.

As far as the Saker goes: Vox, that site is straight out kommie. I use it for sitrep regarding Ukraine/Russia. Otherwise it is toxic. (He has one contributor though, Jimmy Moglia, whose prose is nectar to my ears...)

Not, that a broken clock is not correct sometimes, but consider:

I am Russian as well.

He lives/resides in the States. Trumpets non-stop anti US propaganda. About half his regular contributors are unashamed self confessed kommies. Not socialists or any lesser breed, but died in the wool marxist leninist maoists.

Now, I have no love for the present manifestation of the States, but I hope and pray for the quickening - in opposite direction of those mfers.

I am actually half surprised, that he and Orlov did't get a visit from the hunters of all bots Russian.

...after all, they do take care of their own...

take care.

Blogger Unknown March 02, 2019 6:10 AM  

Gotta love how murricans decry Maduro and his horrible socialist policies while conveniently forgeting how their own vulture capitalists strangled the country for quite literally a century now.

Blogger Unknown March 02, 2019 6:13 AM  

tc

>I`m russian believe me goys
>hurr durr commie
>anti-murrican propaganda
>did I mention commie

Lol, try again Shlomo.

Blogger VD March 02, 2019 7:11 AM  

So what is your answer to your own rhetorical question, please. I would really like to know. I used to read the Saker a lot a few years ago and get the feeling something has got to him recently, be it money, be it mental issues, be it senility.

You really need to lower the shilling level to 11.

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 02, 2019 7:37 AM  

I agree with the Saker that the US should let corrupt third world regimes alone, but I wonder why his blog has become so overwhelmingly marxist in recent years using all the buzz words like "antiimperialist", "progressive" etc.

Blogger Robin March 02, 2019 7:44 AM  

When I was a Libtard I was totally opposed to foreign wars. One of the things that helped red-pill me were the hypocritical drumbeats of “Assad must go” from the Left. Now I’m against extensive foreign entanglements in Eurasia, but less so against those in Latin America, which are logistically and culturally simpler to deal with.

The US has been and still is involved in multiple LatAm countries, and there are no quagmires.

I also consider the possibility that Venezuela’s socialist turn was itself the product of foreign meddling coming out of Cuba. If that is so, then “let the Venezuelan people decide for themselves” is already dead letter.

Blogger VD March 02, 2019 7:47 AM  

I wonder why his blog has become so overwhelmingly marxist in recent years using all the buzz words like "antiimperialist", "progressive" etc.

There is nothing Marxist about anti-imperialism. He is having to repeatedly drive home the point that the USA is an empire because most US citizens are too stupid and brainwashed to recognize that obvious fact. It's astonishing that it has reached the late-stage Empire phase without most of its citizens ever realizing it was an empire in the first place.

Blogger tc March 02, 2019 8:01 AM  

"US should let corrupt third world regimes alone"

Well, let us just say there are many ways to skin a fox right?

I actually do not for a second believe, that the largest proven oil reserves(be they heavy crude or not) will be left unmolested.

Call me what you will...that country will be turned sooner or later. Fairly easy to provoke hostilities in ANY country, and Russia and China are far, far away.

There is no need to start something obvious while everyone is watching. Wait a few months, then let Maduro run into a landmine, blame it on the cartells...whatever...

Blogger tc March 02, 2019 8:13 AM  

"was an empire in the first place."

wish it was...more honest in that regard, it might just have negated the need for the idiocracy it is generating in the western hemisphere.

Blogger Avalanche March 02, 2019 8:58 AM  

@16 "If Venezuela wants our help after this, they need to ask for it, and demonstrate their resolve."

And then WE need to refuse and let them live with or clean up their own mess. NOT. OUR. PROBLEM!

In what possible way are we responsible for "fixing" peoples in their OWN countries who voted for socialism and destroyed their own country?

MAYBE I can still see rushing in to help after a geological disaster (earthquake, volcano,tsunami) -- because the people did not bring that ion themselves... But if you CHOOSE to put your hand (or your children, self, and country) INTO the fire -- and then stoke the fire? Not. Our. Problem!

We are not and cannot ever be the 'policemen of the world. They make their beds; they elect their leaders (pointing at YOU Atlanta! You wanted black government? Well congrats, you've got it -- so take it, good-and-hard!), and their system.

All-y'all X-Mil-Z gens blame Boomers? (Okay, with some good reason.) You want us to lie in the beds that we helped make or were too young or unable or unaware that we needed to -- or had no earthly idea HOW to -- STOP letting them make? How is that .. no, WHY is that different from saying: let all these other countries lie in the beds THEY made?

Not. Our. Problem.

(Oh, and put some A-10s on the border, dammnit! Solution to one of our major problems.)





Blogger CynicalMan March 02, 2019 9:17 AM  

The American public is indifferent because of their ignorance. The mainstream media still controls much of public opinion. There is no Russian collusion in Venezuela.

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 02, 2019 9:44 AM  

@38 I just read what the Saker has to say about communism in principle:

https://thesaker.is/is-communism-really-dead/

He thinks it has got a bright future even if is not so good in many respects. In particular he says that the "educated" will always be attracted to it. I wonder what kind of education will let that poison into the heads of people. He writes "Even Chavez’ brand of Communism resulted in a completely bankrupt Venezuela." But then he compares Chavez to Jesus Christ... Some fallacies here I think.

Blogger J.M. March 02, 2019 12:14 PM  

If anything, Venezuela's case proves the deleterious effects of massive migration and gun control. Since Chávez took over the smartest folks realized what was in for Venezuela in the future, along with the wealthiest members of the opposition. They packed their belongings and hopped on the first plane they could, headed to the US, Canada, Europe and to a lesser extent to Panamá and other wealthier countries in the region. This process was accelerated by Chavez when he took over the theretofore autonomous Venezuelan Petroleum Company (PDVSA acronym in Spanish). Chavez fired almost all the operations and executive staff after a strike and replaced them with his cronies and blind followers thus dooming PDVSA to its current ruinous situation where they cannot even generate electricity from oil or even refine it when they used to have such capability 20 years ago. The same happened in the rest of the administration and the expropiated businesses....

This literal braindrain was silent and took place during the last decade. Their numbers reached the 2 million approximately (rich guys, smart professionals whose titles and talents were marketable globally etc.), a minority in their country, but the minority who used to run the country and ensure the lights went on. Now most of them are gone and without their expertise and in some cases guts, Venezuela is literally stupider (I would check those IQ stats, they have in the wane for sure) and more craven...Guaido has literally herculean task on his hands...

Gun control...well Venezuela boasts one of the highest murder rates in the world and weapons are illegal for anyone outside the government since 2013 after decades of ever stricter gun laws...

Blogger Daniel March 02, 2019 12:25 PM  

The sakervshoyld tal with a Venezuelan emigrated. We have a fuckibf lot in argentinq

Blogger SciVo March 02, 2019 12:36 PM  

tc wrote:"was an empire in the first place."

wish it was...more honest in that regard, it might just have negated the need for the idiocracy it is generating in the western hemisphere.


That was literally impossible. If the American State had been honest about its imperial ambitions, then the American People would've demanded an accounting of the costs and benefits, and then the project would've been immediately and forcefully shut down. It wasn't for us. It could be honest or an empire, but not both.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 02, 2019 12:47 PM  

Meanwhile, the American public is almost entirely indifferent to Venezuela.

Largely. Personally, I only care if whatever happens ends up sending migrants to the Mexican border. I mean, we're building the wall and all, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned about getting more and more people pushing against it.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 02, 2019 2:23 PM  

It's becoming obvious to me that too many commenters here are still getting their information on Venezuela from DaFakeStreamMedia (DFSM). So here's an option for those who want to read some more to educate themselves - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=Venezuela&updated-max=2019-02-20T09:02:00-08:00&max-results=20&by-date=true&m=0 - it's a simple word search from my library - arranged by date, latest first. You can flip it to by relevance.
Remember, as Vox always says: "Things are NEVER as reported by DFSM!"
What I gather so far, it's mostly about the petro-dollar and NeoCon fantasies.
I have always had great respect for the comments on VoxPopoli, but today we have lowered the bar.
Read and decide for yourself!

Blogger Daniel March 02, 2019 2:33 PM  

Venezuelans do not have warrior blood. They flee at most

Blogger Latigo3 March 02, 2019 2:36 PM  

Yeah, it's hard to rouse interest when you don't have good Yellow Press combined with a False Flag. Glad nothing happened

Blogger J.M. March 02, 2019 3:17 PM  

Daniel wrote:Venezuelans do not have warrior blood. They flee at most

Warrior spirit only manifests itself when you have nowhere to go. Otherwise neither the US or Argentina would have come to exist, at least not in its current form. As long as Venezuelans have somewhere to run, nothing will change, specially when the bravest and smartest are not anymore amongst them.

Blogger justaguy March 02, 2019 4:08 PM  

Let Venezuela be in the news for the next 18 months with more and more unrest-- this will play against the Dems presidential election campaign of socialism to be just like Venezuela. If it quiets down then the mainstream media will go silent.

I'm glad the US did not send troops.. Everytime the US has se3nt troop to Central or South America, it doesn't go well. Send the troops to the border instead.

Blogger Leahn Novash March 02, 2019 5:42 PM  

They are not rising up against Maduro for two reasons. One, unlike US that has 2nd ammendment, Venezuela has none of it, and the untrained civilians would have to fight a well-trained and fully armed military with sticks and stones, literally. Americans may talk high and mighty about war blood but I bet they would too, as well, be a lot less inclined to fight if they didn't have any weapons, and training, and food, and everything, really. Two, Venezuelans that are unsatisfied with the government are fleeing to Brazil and Colombia, pretty much like Cubans fleeing to Miami (and with the same effects).

Blogger Leahn Novash March 02, 2019 6:03 PM  

I would agree with you if they weren't invading my country.

Blogger terrapin March 02, 2019 6:16 PM  

52. I heartily second your comment.

Blogger Daniel March 02, 2019 7:43 PM  

I do not need to read shit. I just talk with any of the fucking Venezuelan swarm that came to argentina scaping hunger. Literal fucking nothing to eat.
Venezuelans sucks. They lie, you cannot trust them. I want them to go back. Id like to see maduro hanging from a rope

Blogger Daniel March 02, 2019 7:47 PM  

No way. Check Spanish civil war, your civil war. Some people fight. Some do not. Most latam indigenous people is pasive. They do not talk back, do not fight. They Flee

Blogger Boomer55 March 02, 2019 8:49 PM  

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Blogger Boomer55 March 02, 2019 8:52 PM  

The rhetoric Saker uses has backfired greatly though on convincing the right, but the left was always the choir being preached to.
It is true that neocons want to spark revolutions everywhere with no clear exit strategy. It is also true Saker's marxist cold war throwback rhetoric is EXACTLY what neocons have used to rally american support for foreign intervention since 1990.
These rhetoric games are for WHAT audience at Unz? The irony is, some of the soviet bootlickers like Bernie Sanders, who are the left most of the Democrat party, are using the "RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA" story against Trump when Russia funds and/or helps "anti-imperialist" governments in places like Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc.

This is just nonsense, unless you realize it's amoral. Saker sounds like a bizarro world neo-con.

Blogger Boomer55 March 02, 2019 8:59 PM  

@48

It's the marxist rhetoric, at the same time Trump is trying his hardest to establish a detente with Russia, against the neo-Roman [P] cabal's wishes.
Just because you know the globalists are bad, doesn't mean you have to be a military boot licker in Venezuela etc. BOTH can be true and bad at the same time!

Blogger J.M. March 02, 2019 9:07 PM  

Daniel wrote:No way. Check Spanish civil war, your civil war. Some people fight. Some do not. Most latam indigenous people is pasive. They do not talk back, do not fight. They Flee

In the times of the Spanish Civil war, nationalists had literally NOWHERE to run to. Do you think France would accept them by the millions? Or Portugal? Unlike today there were not hundreds of airliner global services or cruise ships ready to take whoever could pay to destinations worldwide, there were no modern highways, very few people had cars etc. etc.. in the end only a handful of leftists fled, only ones with the means to do so...If you think about it, most modern revolutions or uprisings happen because people is fed up and have nowhere to run, but knee and die like pigs or fight and die like men. Only then people fight. Otherwise there would be no "white flight" in the US...While indigenous populations are somewhat passive, as a European in the region I know most hispanics are not indigenous, Venezuela is more mestizo/mulatto with a somewhat noticeable white admixture. Most of the people in Venezuela who could have led an uprising and plan ahead went away.

When you are presented with an opportunity for a well paid job and good prospects for you and your family or stay in your country suffering hardhship, not only you but your family while trying to lead a bunch of idiots who don't understand they are the frogs in the boiling water, What would you choose? I tell you most would choose the first option without blinking. And countries like VE, Brazil or Argentina don't have that many smart and brave people to lose...

Blogger J.M. March 02, 2019 9:17 PM  

Leandro Novaes wrote:They are not rising up against Maduro for two reasons. One, unlike US that has 2nd ammendment, Venezuela has none of it, and the untrained civilians would have to fight a well-trained and fully armed military with sticks and stones, literally. Americans may talk high and mighty about war blood but I bet they would too, as well, be a lot less inclined to fight if they didn't have any weapons, and training, and food, and everything, really. Two, Venezuelans that are unsatisfied with the government are fleeing to Brazil and Colombia, pretty much like Cubans fleeing to Miami (and with the same effects).

Exactly. Many Americans don't understand how helpless is the "average" citizen against his own government. Since 2013 or so weapons are forbidden for the average citizen, after decades of ever more encroaching gun laws designed to "protect the citizens". The situation is similar with varying degrees from Mexico to Argentina. The norm is that only criminals, govt security forces and oligarchs have weapons. The commoners should be unarmed and guess what: Most are so brainwashed they relish in their helplessness. You cannot say you weren't warned...

And the second reason is spot on. Thanks to immigration Venezuela has literally become stupider and more craven...

Blogger Boomer55 March 02, 2019 9:20 PM  

@61
Latino people are also comically disjointed. Simon Bolivar said something like uniting South America is like plowing the sea, more exactly that "those who have served the revolution have plowed the sea." The fact that Chavez and Maduro used Bolivar as a symbol is a cruel joke.

Blogger Boomer55 March 02, 2019 9:34 PM  

@5
I'm concerned the situation can get even worse. Maduro turned out worse than Chavez, and why can't the damn neighbors use their military? The election % meme picture in the article is insulting, knowing that the last elections weren't exactly "free." YES, Guaido was appointed by the competing parliament, but there has been a military coup already on the other side.

Blogger J.M. March 02, 2019 10:09 PM  

Boorn Boorm wrote:@61

Latino people are also comically disjointed. Simon Bolivar said something like uniting South America is like plowing the sea, more exactly that "those who have served the revolution have plowed the sea." The fact that Chavez and Maduro used Bolivar as a symbol is a cruel joke.


The first thing to understand is that "Latino" people doesn't exist, no matter how many ignoramuses in the States, Europe or in South America cling to that term. South of the border you will find Hispanics (peoples whose culture's backbone is Spanish, Indigenous with African influences), Brazilians and a few other groups. But I understand your point.

In this case, you are right, Bolivar by the end of his life understood the disaster he had brought about but it was too late. The new countries that were born were disjointed from the very beginning with a ruling elite whose incompetence was far greater than that of any Spaniard King whose ambition led them to use history as a weapon. Actually the denomination "Bolivarian" IMHO is very appropiate. Just as Bolivar's legacy was only destruction and misery, so is Chavismo's legacy, as any other socialist derived ideology in praxis...

Blogger J.M. March 02, 2019 10:20 PM  

Boorn Boorm wrote:@5

I'm concerned the situation can get even worse. Maduro turned out worse than Chavez, and why can't the damn neighbors use their military? The election % meme picture in the article is insulting, knowing that the last elections weren't exactly "free." YES, Guaido was appointed by the competing parliament, but there has been a military coup already on the other side.


Too poor and lack the competence to perform such a task. A military invasion and occupation goes well beyond the capabilities of Venezuela's neighbouring countries armies and would cost billions. Unless the US and the great powers promised to let them profit from Venezuela's rich soil unmolested, there is no point for them wasting billions they don't have, thousands of lives and the reputation of their countries to save a bunch of future ingrates who will resent their occupation; all with nothing in return. Their military incompetence in all likelihood is a side effect of being a vassal of the US for so long. The same happens in most of Europe.

The article deals in rhetoric not facts, typical of someone who doesn't even understand the language is so biased is incapable of seing the reality for itself. Maduro's "policies" are just the continuation of the ruinous Chavez ones and yielded the expected results without the flow of cash to alleviate them...

Blogger mike March 03, 2019 11:08 AM  

Good commie is a dead commie. Simple as that. And every dictator is a commie. Us should only invade if there's an effort by Venezuela to seek help from Russia or China or Iran. We don't need another cuba in us proximity. Us should not be a policeman of the world but it should patrol its neighborhood. Venezuela ppl are suffering bc of their low average iq as evidenced by electing Hitler Chavez. Before fixing other nations us should fix its borders and military.

Blogger Steve Rodger March 03, 2019 8:57 PM  

Maduro's soldiers opened fire inside Brazilian borders.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible March 04, 2019 9:59 AM  

The Venezuelans are not worth the life of a single American service member or a single American taxpayer dollar.
And nothing will crystalize support for Maduro like US intervention.
So let Venezuela and the Venezuelans rot.

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