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Friday, March 08, 2019

Pattern recognition

From the comments in last night's Darkstream in which the recent Voxiversity on Alpha was discussed:
Mister Sick O
so what are you?

Mister Sick O
who am i listening to?

Mister Sick O
tell us what you are

Mister Sick O
you're just back in high school, trying to #*@! anything
Now, do you really still think these behavioral patterns are figments of my imagination? But wait, there's more, from the comments here:
C1: Taleb blocked me, and I'm one of his biggest supporters, apparently for quibbling with his silly opinion that organized medicine is "science."

C2: Have you considered the possibility he blocked you for the simple reason your quibbles don't add anything of value to his life and he already has a bazillion people quibbling with him all the time?

C3: That's what the mute button is for. Or notification filters. Or just accepting that not everyone is going to $*%^ your #*#! over every opinion you put out.  Blocking is the one option that makes it completely obvious that you did it, because then the person can't see your content anymore. Brilliant plan, cutting off a follower who might have given you money in the future just because you were butthurt. I'm off Twitter for good now---it's pure poison in more ways than one---but when I used it I was blocked by most of the e-celebs I ever engaged with, and it was almost always over something trivial like asking for clarification on a point or politely disagreeing with them. I'm not saying Taleb is a typical e-celeb (and he never blocked me) but *%^! if there aren't a lot of fragile %*^($)#$ on Twitter.
Because they are both myopic and solipsistic, gammas never grasp that others readily recognize their pattern of behavior because they have seen it many times before. Because they are not, for the most part, much in demand themselves, gammas have no conception whatsoever of how annoying it is to have a thousand people all "respectfully offering a correction" or "politely asking you for clarification on a point", usually in an obvious attempt to show you what Special Smart Boys they are, and how much you have in common, and how you should totally become best friends.

Even though the initial communication is usually innocuous in itself, the experienced e-celeb knows perfectly well that any response is only going to generate additional requests, demands, and eventually, drama. Even the most minor e-celeb has learned to dread answering an email and promptly receiving a gushing wall of text in response. This is why serious celebrities like Taleb preemptively block fans who show even the slightest sign of being a potential problem; they simply don't have time to put up with the inevitable nonsense.

As for the assumptions of butthurt and fragility, that is nothing but emotional projection. In comparison to the average individual, most e-celebs are actually very psychologically hardened. They have to be or they could not endure the constant negativity they have to endure.

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55 Comments:

Blogger Gulo Gulo March 08, 2019 11:07 AM  

"Or just accepting that not everyone is going to suck your dick over every opinion you put out."............"just because you were butthurt"

They always project. The "legend in their own minds" really do wish that their dick was constantly being sucked for every useless opinion they have. And when their sheer brilliance is not appreciated ..their butthurt is obvious to all.

Blogger pyrrhus March 08, 2019 11:12 AM  

Ha! My comment was one of amusement that Taleb, with more than half a million followers somehow found time to block someone for mild disagreement...In fact, however, it may have been because of his antipathy to anyone from Harvard.

Blogger Lovekraft March 08, 2019 11:14 AM  

I expect from this blog, first and foremost, to have my opinions challenged and awareness expanded. No point in trying to pose as Vox's equal because that approach isn't going to get traction.

And the comment threads are to flesh out and challenge different interpretations. High-altitude mapping, as D. Sim once mentioned, is looking at things on a theoretical overview.

In the post's case, this individual was, I believe, genuinely looking for truth, but his approach was in error. Live and learn.

Blogger CarpeOro March 08, 2019 11:26 AM  

"but when I used it I was blocked by most of the e-celebs I ever engaged with"
When the problem is everyone other than you... maybe the problem really is you.

Blogger JAG March 08, 2019 11:32 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Ha! My comment was one of amusement that Taleb, with more than half a million followers somehow found time to block someone for mild disagreement...In fact, however, it may have been because of his antipathy to anyone from Harvard.

Dude, just stop. This response reeks of "Secret King", and is only sinking your further into the gamma hole.

Lift more, and Tweet less

Blogger Winston Smith March 08, 2019 11:39 AM  

It's Secret Kangz, folks... because they're about as royal as the Pharaohs were secret nubians.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 08, 2019 11:43 AM  

Claims to be a biggest supporter of the person he's sniping at....check.
Uses words like "quibbled" and "silly" to downplay what he probably intended to be a devastating argument....check.
Acts like he doesn't know for sure ("apparently") why he got blocked....check.
Whines about it after the fact instead of taking the L and getting on with his life....check.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 11:53 AM  

Any victory Pyrrhus claims to win is merely eponymous.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums March 08, 2019 12:03 PM  

Much like JBP he threatened to quit Twitter as well but what does he actually expect? To have a bunch of people jump in front of the bus and yell "No, Twitter needs you! You can't quit!"

Blogger Noah B. March 08, 2019 12:06 PM  

In fact, however, it may have been because of his antipathy to anyone from Harvard.

Stereotyping saves so much time.

Blogger R Webfoot March 08, 2019 12:14 PM  

Blocked by 109 e-celebs but it was always their fault.

Blogger Daniel Babylon March 08, 2019 12:15 PM  

Fame sounds like hell

Blogger JAU March 08, 2019 12:16 PM  

Someone wrote a book on this.

Blogger PJW Gent March 08, 2019 12:16 PM  

Gammaism is a circle jerk, an echo chamber of denial filled with uncontrollable narcissism and if you ever needed to see a primary example, our last President was the penultimate example who validated every gammas existence while being the narcissistic, gamma-in-chief overlord. Tone deaf, blind to anything but his own desires and concerns, when torn away from the mirror of his fans adulation, he "politely and respectfully offered corrections" to us lessors, fawned over by the MSM and his fellow travelers who expected all of us clingers to our God and guns to just roll over and accept the wisdom of his exalted majesty. I think all gammas that have any kind of success have a god complex and see themselves as above the rest of us as some sort of minor or major deity opining from on high for the us peons below. How dare we disagree with their godly pronouncements, their wisdom from on high...

Blogger Grady Houger March 08, 2019 12:25 PM  

Also in the news, a hipster insisted his is unique and they remove his picture being used in article about hipsters all looking alike. But the picture was a different hipster who just looked like him.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/06/hipsters_all_look_the_same_fact/

Blogger GM March 08, 2019 12:25 PM  

This:

"usually in an obvious attempt to show you what Special Smart Boys they are, and how much you have in common, and how you should totally become best friends."

Is right on target, and its sting is a healthy sting. Gamma behavior patterns are so hellish to instantiate because they are extremely dysfunctional "friend-making" mechanisms.

Blogger FUBARwest March 08, 2019 12:28 PM  

If all the roommates you've ever had are assholes, you might be the asshole.

Blogger Rick March 08, 2019 12:56 PM  

Vox — your darkstream last night was the best of the maybe half dozen I’ve watched so far. I’d watched the Voxiversity episode earlier in the day, so within the darkstream I sorta fast forwarded over it. But the darkstream was a nice and very valuable adder to it. Sort of like a good lecture that has a Q&A at the end (with good questions). Anyway, I’m refining my understanding of the hierarchy (as a tool) as a result, when I thought I’d had it pretty well down before. Being a visual guy, I find it useful when you give an example of a particular movie character to illustrate a particular behavior. I thought I understood sigma before last night. I was wrong.

An example of a sigma I think may be Chevy Chase’s character in Caddy Shack.
That movie might cover most of the hierarchy with its characters.

Blogger Rick March 08, 2019 12:59 PM  

Oh and behavior is precisely the correct word because the content of the gamma’s arguments for example is irrelevant.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers March 08, 2019 1:01 PM  

Even the most minor e-celeb has learned to dread answering an email and promptly receiving a gushing wall of text in response.

No matter how innocuous the initial contact seems. I had a female follower do this to me recently. She asked me a question through DM, and after I answered, she started assuming a tone that meant she thought we were close friends, and even started sending me selfies. It was just weird.

As an outspoken Christian and scientist on Twitter, I get a lot of unwanted interaction with gamma atheists looking to "correct" me and "quibble" over "silly" things. Matthew explained that these are guys looking to get attention, and it's the only way they know how. Maybe so, but they seem to have no idea the utter contempt this behavior generates. So far, I only block people who are abusive, vulgar, or who blaspheme, but I may start taking a more Taleb-like approach.

Blogger Nate73 March 08, 2019 1:26 PM  

@20: Out of all the people "quibbling" with you, what % would you estimate are concern-trolling?

Blogger pdwalker March 08, 2019 1:27 PM  

@CarpeOro, I find that to be a most excellent rule of thumb.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 1:31 PM  

Nate73,

In my opinion it's a self selecting group.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 08, 2019 1:40 PM  

@20 Stickwick, I have initiated contact with a couple of public figures. I contacted Jerry Pournelle once, with a question about the early days of word processors. I contacted a well known statistician once, about one of his papers. Both times I got a kind, brief reply, expressed my gratitude, and that ended it. I can't imagine thinking that I should have continued to impose.

Gamma is serious narcissism.

Blogger Diana Isabella March 08, 2019 1:41 PM  

To the tune of "Karma Chameleons"

Gammas, gammas, gammas, gammas, gammas They come to post..
How much they know..
And they just wont go-ohh-ohh

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 1:58 PM  

As an outspoken Christian and scientist on Twitter, I get a lot of unwanted interaction with gamma atheists looking to "correct" me and "quibble" over "silly" things. Matthew explained that these are guys looking to get attention, and it's the only way they know how.

Orbiters. They'll spazz if someone tells them they're annoying and to manage their expectations. They think the object of their questions "is just like themTM" and "it only takes 5 minutes to reply".

Blogger My Dead Gramps March 08, 2019 1:58 PM  

Taleb

"I block .01 % of people, which reduces BS, sophisty, & nitpicking by 99%.

Sorry, nothing personal."

28 Nov 2018

This was pinned up on his twitter for a couple of months.

Blogger VD March 08, 2019 1:59 PM  

An example of a sigma I think may be Chevy Chase’s character in Caddy Shack.

Very much so. He excels, he has zero interest in fitting in, he has his own code, and he scores the hot babe. He could easily be an Alpha, but he has no interest in the hierarchy, much less taking responsibility for anyone else.

Blogger VD March 08, 2019 2:00 PM  

"it only takes 5 minutes to reply"

And the Big Bear has 230,000 subscribers. That's 19,166 hours per day. Do the math.

Blogger cheddarman March 08, 2019 2:06 PM  

And the hot babe is 18

Blogger Lazzaloveman March 08, 2019 2:11 PM  

Nicely done.

Blogger eclecticme March 08, 2019 2:11 PM  

Is Hawkeye in the TV series MASH a gamma?

Blogger Rick March 08, 2019 2:12 PM  

Clarke Gable in Gone with the Wind = sigma

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 2:22 PM  

And the Big Bear has 230,000 subscribers. That's 19,166 hours per day. Do the math.

Exactly. And if the e-celeb makes a point of replying to these orbiters in public he risks the chance of lurking orbiters demanding their pound of flesh. "See, e-celeb had the time to reply to that, I'll ask too! He clearly has the time!" I don't know if e-celebs have suffered for playing it close to the chest. I doubt it though.

Blogger Haxo Angmark March 08, 2019 2:39 PM  

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Blogger BassmanCO March 08, 2019 2:50 PM  

Haxo, you know even Gammas look at your replies and say, “What a fag,” don’t you?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 08, 2019 3:01 PM  

Vox, most importantly the club Alpha, Judge Smails, begs him to join the hierarchy. Chase says, "my dad never liked you".

Blogger stevo March 08, 2019 3:25 PM  

The most terrifying part of this blog is finding out how close I came to being a full blown gamma. Thanks all

Blogger Ben Cohen March 08, 2019 4:23 PM  

Gammas are funny. Sounds like a guy at work.

Blogger Ben Cohen March 08, 2019 4:25 PM  

It's especially fun to watch an alpha destroy a gamma

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 08, 2019 5:44 PM  

So the comments on the blog are mostly from right wing Beta Males, letting off steam?

I wonder if Muslims have the same situation? I mean the Quran has things nicely in sections and deals with patterns "The women" for example are between "The Cow" and "The Cattle". I guess their Imams are their celebrities, specifically leaders.

Clearly some people are superior in many ways, others inferior. Haves, and have nots.

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 08, 2019 5:58 PM  

I can't even begin to count how many times Box hasn't responded to one of my comments. As his livestreams have grown into the thousands in viewership, his real time interaction is stretched more than ever. That means some people don't get their questions answered. It happens for a variety of reasons. Sometimes the topic moves on so quickly that my well considered comment becomes off topic. Sometimes he thinks another comment will help him get his point across better. Sometimes he misses what I said, just like anyone could.

None of that matters. Vox doesn't owe me his time. I contribute because I might have something to add to the conversation.

Even if I think Vox missed what I consider to be an epic comment of mine, do I tell him about it? No. Why? Think about it like Kant, universally. If everyone came to Vox with every comment they think he's missed to give a confirmation, that would eat up his time better spent on MANY other tasks.

Frankly, I'm fine with a little momentary disappointment about a comment that doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. That's a small price to pay for a bit of live interaction that flows well.

Sometimes the best policy is to step back and look at the price you really pay for something.

Blogger Mark Stoval March 08, 2019 6:18 PM  

@42

Even if I think Vox missed what I consider to be an epic comment of mine, do I tell him about it? No. Why? Think about it like Kant, universally.

Hell, I am happy when Vox misses my comments. :-)

Since our wonderful host and myself don't see eye to eye on everything, it might be best to stay under the radar.

Besides, no matter what I come up with someone else is going to say pretty much the same thing --- or it was probably not worth saying in the first place.

I don't understand people who have to be noticed. They are like middle school kids.


Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) March 08, 2019 6:31 PM  

Being an e-celeb sounds distinctly less fun than being a regular celeb in the old days. In the old days there was a clear line of demarcation between the celebrity realm and the pleb realm. I never thought I could have any contact with my favorite movie or rock stars as a kid. They existed in another world. E-celeb is like punk rock, removing that barrier. So now the audience can spit on you and throw bottles on stage, and the pay is a lot less.

Blogger Living in a Fallen World March 08, 2019 6:58 PM  

@29 Vox Day "And the Big Bear has 230,000 subscribers. That's 19,166 hours per day. Do the math."

Well, actually ... the Big Bear has 236,000 subscribers. Which is actually 6,000 more subscribers, so it would actually be even more hours per day.

That said, at five minutes per reply, assuming every subscriber sent a message that got a reply, that would be five minutes per 236,000, which would be 5(236,000), which by my math adds up to 1,180,000 minutes per day.

So now we can divide that by 60, which is the total number of minutes in an hour. We're doing this to determine the number of hours it would take because that number is probably easier to swallow and comprehend.

Our division gives us 19,667.67. That's a lot of hours! Clearly more than the actual number of hours in a day. In fact, it would take the Big Bear over 819 days to answer all the messages, assuming no breaks between replies, and it's easy to see that 819 days is more than two years!

A quick check of your number tells me you followed the same mathematical approach.

So that means we obviously think in exactly the same way! We are bona fide intellectual twins.

Anyway, I've been briefly, for like a minute or two, been thinking about the different perspectives between e-celebs and those who comment, and I think I have stumbled upon a wonderful bit a wisdom that should be shared abundantly and widely, and it occurs to me that your platform is the perfect place for me to share my thoughts, and as such, please await my next chain of emails. Seeing as how your brain has been proven empirically to work the exact same way as my brain I just know you'll appreciate my thoughts the most and share them accordingly once you understand how significant my observations are.

Also, just a quick note: while all of this is well and good and informative and so on, what about me?

Thanks!

Blogger James Parliament March 08, 2019 7:27 PM  

That worked on me. Nicely done.

Blogger El Borak March 08, 2019 8:18 PM  

Speaking of pattern recognition, there is an interesting correlation between the behavior of individual gammas and the collective behavior of a certain levantine tribe Vox mentions in the prior post.

Note how the gamma above complains how he's been blocked by nearly every e-celeb he's interacted with but it never occurs to him that his own behavior may underlie that result.

What's the over/under on that number being 109?

Blogger Solon March 08, 2019 9:48 PM  

Yup, got me on that one too. Read the spergy-math and started rolling my eyes... And then I realized you were being sarcastic.

Well played.

Blogger sammibandit March 08, 2019 11:35 PM  

Touché, Jo K.

Blogger John Rockwell March 09, 2019 4:12 AM  

Just a question.

What's the best path forward for an Omega?

Could be graduate himself to delta like a Gamma could?

Or must he content himself as a loner without a family?

Blogger VD March 09, 2019 5:34 AM  

What's the best path forward for an Omega?

Work towards acceptance in the hierarchy as a Delta. Focus on competence and reliability.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 09, 2019 8:52 AM  

Just a question.

What's the best path forward for an Omega?

Could be graduate himself to delta like a Gamma could?

Or must he content himself as a loner without a family?


Are you asking for yourself? I consider myself to be an Omega. If you like, we could talk. I could give you my email address or visa versa?

Blogger The Greay Man March 09, 2019 10:38 AM  

Spot on! That's how I feel. I also try to send Vox only things that he either finds interesting.

Blogger John Rockwell March 10, 2019 1:20 AM  

@52. 1st Earl Hardwicke

I am asking on behalf of potential others so that I could help them if possible.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 10, 2019 1:45 PM  

@54 Ok, fair enough, thank you for replying. Unless you know an Omega, possibly not much. A lot of focus on Gamma on the forum, but then I suppose they can subtly corrupt society, even more.

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