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Friday, March 01, 2019

So be more inclusive, Navy

I don't see this shortage of sailors being a problem that adding twenty-five thousand women, transvestites, and low-IQ immigrants to the Navy can't fix:
The Navy is short about 6,200 sailors to meet its at-sea requirements for its current force, and that gap could grow as the service adds new ships to the fleet, the head of U.S. Fleet Forces Command told a House panel on Tuesday.

Those sailors will, in part, be used to plus-up crew numbers on each surface ship after the Navy had previously gone to a lower “optimal manning” crew size to save personnel costs, Adm. Chris Grady told a combined hearing before the House Armed Services readiness and seapower and projection forces subcommittees.

“As we sailed through that environment, we recognized that that was too few, and indeed since 2012 the number on a DDG was 240; in 2017 it’s about 270 and will be funded back up very close to the original size of a guided-missile destroyer in 2023 at about 318,” he said. “Personnel is expensive, and that number did not work out well, and we’re now buying back to a larger size crew complement for a destroyer.”

According to the written testimony from Grady and U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. John Aquilino submitted for the hearing, the missing sailors are from the mid-grade and senior enlisted ranks that will take years to train and place in the fleet. The pair indicated there wasn’t a specific set of billets they needed to fill with the new sailors but rather that they were needed across platforms at sea.

That number could grow as the Navy adds ships to the fleet and personnel needs rise, Grady said. Growing sailors fast enough to the level of technical ability to operate the proposed 355 ships is set to be a major challenge for the service and a key focus of the Navy’s ongoing surface reform effort.

Acute manning problems were found to be a factor in the fatal collisions of USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) and USS John McCain (DDG-56). For example, Fitzgerald did not have lookouts on the bridge wing immediately before the crash, and sailors aboard McCain weren’t qualified to use the helm controls which contributed to its collision.
I wonder how many of those expanded destroyer crews of 318 are going to be pregnant and unable for deployment when the ships go to sea? Or, is the real number required 240, but so many sailors are unable to deploy that they need a nominal crew of 318 in order to fill the real number needed for the mission?

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87 Comments:

Blogger Chad Thundercockovich March 01, 2019 11:07 AM  

I am increasingly pessimistic about the US navy after each of these developments.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 01, 2019 11:08 AM  

"the missing sailors are from the mid-grade and senior enlisted ranks that will take years to train and place in the fleet."

Missing? Perhaps they declined to reenlist given the Navy's all-inclusive hiring policy.

Sucks to be the CNO.

Blogger Jack Amok March 01, 2019 11:10 AM  

Acute manning problems were found to be a factor in the fatal collisions of USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) and USS John McCain (DDG-56).

Acute "manning" problems indeed. The women they had doing men's jobs weren't able to do them well enough not to get people killed.

Blogger JohnofAustria March 01, 2019 11:14 AM  

The other problem is that the Armed Services have required diversity goals for recruitment.

And surprise, it's harder to be fully manned when you are supposed to only let in 63% Whites.

Blogger veryfunnyminion March 01, 2019 11:15 AM  

So apparently the Village People were prophetic:

They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

Who me?

They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

But, but, but, I'm afraid of water.
Hey, hey look
Man, I get seasick even watchin' it on the TV!

They want you, they want you in the navy

Oh my goodness.
What am I gonna do in a submarine?

They want you, they want you in the navy

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 01, 2019 11:24 AM  

The manpower shortages were completely expected...by anybody who knows anything at all about military recruiting.

Basically the economy is too good.

Recruiting in a good economy is a bitch and a half.

The Recruiters that are on the bag today have never had to deal with that.

The last time the economy was this good was the 1990s. Which means for the past nineteen years Recruiters have had it very, very super easy.

The last guys who knew how to recruit in a market this rough got out at their twenty year mark a couple/three years ago.

This is going to take a quite awhile to fix.

Blogger Gettimothy March 01, 2019 11:30 AM  

"Acute manning problems"

Literally shaking at the inherent toxic masculinity.


Blogger Robert What? March 01, 2019 11:33 AM  

What red blooded, all American, heterosexual White male would want to join the Navy under these conditions?

Blogger Unknown March 01, 2019 11:35 AM  

Due to personnel policy changes concerning retention and promotion, those mid grade and senior people will be hard to find, too.

As for Vox's question on 318, that is the manning level set by required job fields, but is a goal never met. Every ship has a set of distinct full time billets, with detailed descriptions of what each one entails, and manning is set by these billets. Everyone assigned onboard fills one of these billets. Fulfilling every billet is the goal, but it is never reached, even on a carrier.

-Unknownsailor--

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 01, 2019 11:35 AM  

Next up, mandatory "partnering" berths for increased morale. You can't be placing the transgendered lives at risk by stigmatizing them with the label incel.

Forever War meets Sodom and Gomorrah.

Blogger Robert What? March 01, 2019 11:36 AM  

"So apparently the Village People were prophetic"

Compared to what we are seeing today, the Village People were wholesome and patriotic.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 01, 2019 11:36 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:"the missing sailors are from the mid-grade and senior enlisted ranks that will take years to train and place in the fleet."

Missing? Perhaps they declined to reenlist given the Navy's all-inclusive hiring policy.

Sucks to be the CNO.



Again, it is the economy.

Twenty year pensions were chipped down to 36% base pay when they used to be 50%.

The bean-counters could get away with that because none of the guys that had been in for ten years wanted to risk getting out and finding a job in Obama's America. And hey, 36% is better than nothing.

Now there are a LOT of better alternatives so the military is currently a hollow force at the enlisted mid-ranks with kids in their early twenties being promoted into ranks that are supposed to be held by men with ten years experience.

Don't look for this to improve any time soon.

Blogger ar10308 March 01, 2019 11:36 AM  

@7 Can confirm.

I'm good friends with a Navy recruiter in a north Midwestern state. The kids easily get jobs here doing whatever they want and none of them want to leave to join the Navy.

I hear about the ridiculous stuff his command makes him do, but none of convinces these younger kids to join up.

Blogger Rebel Skate March 01, 2019 11:48 AM  

The Fitzgerald did not have bridge wing lookouts?!? When I was in the idea of not having a full set of lookouts was inconceivable.
Then again, I got out because the writing was on the wall when they started putting women on the combat ships. I was on the Lincoln when they added women and it was just as bad as you'd imagine. I knew of 1 female sailor who was good at her job. The rest were either mediocre at best or matresses for the guys. Officers sleeping with enlisted. Pregnancies. While at sea one lady got busted when semen showed up in her papsmear, she went to Captains Mast for that. And when the female cadets from the Naval Academy showed up for a month? They passed themselves around like party favors.
We lost two fighters that build up / deployment. The F-14 that unqualified broad crashed and a F-18 that was launched with an underpowered catapult

Blogger Don't Call Me Len March 01, 2019 11:50 AM  

I am shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover that those to whom the armed services are kowtowing on the subject of "inclusivity" do not actually wish to be included. Shouldn't recruiting offices be inundated with the "women, transvestites, and low-IQ immigrants" who are so desperate for a military career but until now have been thwarted by the cisheteronormative patriarchy?

Sure, the US military would be completely screwed on quality, but at least they'd have numbers to work with, right?

Blogger Purge187 March 01, 2019 12:03 PM  

"What red blooded, all American, heterosexual White male would want to join the military under these conditions?"

FIFY.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 01, 2019 12:08 PM  

ar10308 wrote:@7 Can confirm.

I'm good friends with a Navy recruiter in a north Midwestern state. The kids easily get jobs here doing whatever they want and none of them want to leave to join the Navy.

I hear about the ridiculous stuff his command makes him do, but none of convinces these younger kids to join up.


It's worse than anybody thinks.

The Army missed it's recruiting goal by about the same amount as the Navy.

The Air Force made their's by dropping their enlistment standards and raising their enlistment bonuses.

Although this next bit shocked the hell out of me.


“We face a challenging recruiting environment in which our Marine recruiters have to overcome the fact that to begin with, 75 percent of age-qualified youth are unqualified for service due to medical, moral or educational issues," said Gunnery Sgt. Justin Kronenberg, a spokesman for Marine Corps Recruiting Command.


Whoa!

75%? Twenty years ago the DQ rate on GenPop was 50%. Now it's 75%?!?!!?

Medical, means what it says.

Moral = criminal.

Neither of those has changed in the last twenty years, which leaves "Educational."

Educational = IQ. That is really all the ASVAB is, a general IQ test.

The GenPop IQ appears to have fallen significantly.

The only bright spot at all is that the Marine Corps has met it's goals, while promising only, "kid, this is the toughest thing you will ever do in your entire life."

At least a few guys still answer that call.

Blogger Lance E March 01, 2019 12:08 PM  

I am reliably informed that transvestites are so excellent that they physically outperform all other athletes, and assume this must also translate to military service. I'll bet that the Navy could cut 90% of its personnel and replace them with trannies and still be better off. They'd be like super soldiers!

Blogger Azimus March 01, 2019 12:13 PM  

The Navy should offer say 25,000 men-only warship billets and offer them w/a nominal pay-cut, say $100/month. Even with the pay cut they would get 4 applicants for every billet, maybe 10.

Blogger Chase March 01, 2019 12:15 PM  

@12
The insanity of allowing the quality of a nation's armed forces to be dependent on the strength of the economy is staggering from a historical perspective. The entire nation has gone completely insane and cannot hold.

Blogger Chase March 01, 2019 12:18 PM  

@17
Medical also means obesity, which also is strongly correlated with diversity, but not entirely. Whites are also degenerating.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 01, 2019 12:38 PM  

To move a ship across an ocean usually takes four deck officers, four engineer officers, and a dozen or two ABs, ordinarys, oilers and wipers. To fight a warship takes every body you can cram into every space on the ship. On the Fitzgerald, damage control was down to bucket brigades for a while. You need lots of young, strong males, and they need to be smart enough to not panic. Women and diversity don't cut it - they can sink a ship, but they can't save it.

Blogger Gypsy March 01, 2019 12:39 PM  

Medical can also mean mental health.....Nowadays if you get your kid anywhere near a mental health 'professional' they're going to get diagnosed with something....childhood is now a mental disorder

Blogger Jonathan March 01, 2019 12:43 PM  

What sane man would join the US military today? Aside from the practical aspect of it being a heavily converged organization, why would anyone risk their life to carry out a globalist agenda?

Blogger Solon March 01, 2019 12:49 PM  

With how globalist America has become, no sane man should be interested in joining the military just to be sent off to die in some desert shithole so the guys up top can get richly paid off by the MIC.

If they ever instituted another draft, I'm outside of the initial draft age, but close enough that if things got desperate, they'd snag me.

I've seriously pondered whether going to jail for draft dodging would be a better choice.

Three hots and a cot, and all the exercise you want, vs. shot to hell in a sand dune?

Tough choice.

Blogger FALPhil March 01, 2019 12:52 PM  

@18 [i]I am reliably informed that transvestites are so excellent that they physically outperform all other athletes, and assume this must also translate to military service.[/i]
Not only that, but you can't get 'em pregnant either.

Blogger Avalanche March 01, 2019 12:54 PM  

"Personnel is expensive, and that number did not work out well"

Yes, as the ProPublica article on the USS Fitzgerald showed... She was 30-40 hand short, and with the insane operating tempo, did more than skimp training... and killed 9 sailors because of it! (And the skipper had frontal lobe damage cause the MV Crystal crushed part of his stateroom!)

Blogger Bastion Harm March 01, 2019 12:59 PM  

Jonathan wrote:What sane man would join the US military today? Aside from the practical aspect of it being a heavily converged organization, why would anyone risk their life to carry out a globalist agenda?

My wife's maternal line has military officers going back to the Civil War, and I myself am a veteran.

That ends with me.

Our children sure as hell won't be "serving." Neither my wife nor I believe that our children should die so that Russians, Iranians, or whatever other villains du-jour, can have state-enforced homosexuality, transgenderism, and other forms of our debauchery and degeneracy.

Blogger Cloudswrest March 01, 2019 1:00 PM  

"In the navy" by The Village People.
https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2019 1:05 PM  

As long as the Navy favors M2F trannies the same as the Olympics are poised to (no surgery needed, just a year of a little horse-pee-derived estrogen) then this could be very effective at reducing unfitness for deployment due to pregnancy. (Last I checked, no M2F tranny has ever proved "she" could get pregnant, with but especially without a surgically-fashioned vagina.)

Joking aside, who still gets into the military to defend the USA? What USA?

Play with the "toys" (like jet planes or nifty guns?) Sure, I get that. But "defend America and her values?"

Who is both above 85 IQ and still sees anything in the topline worth defending?

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 01, 2019 1:08 PM  

Navy related.

SEAL Don Shipley's YouTube channel got terminated for harassing content.

https://youtu.be/IphD3gODhW0

Apparently WooTube didn't like the exposure of Nathan Philips hoax.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 01, 2019 1:08 PM  

"Missing? Perhaps they declined to reenlist given the Navy's all-inclusive hiring policy."

Among other things, yes.

"why would anyone risk their life to carry out a globalist agenda?"

This. More than anything this.

What I would call a perverse little tune, if not for later having my nose repeatedly shoved in its accuracy, spontaneously generated itself in my head and set itself to infinite repeat a week or so into boot camp.

Sadly I did not take advantage of that intuition as to why I shouldn't be there, so I had to learn the hard way. There is no honor, no righteousness, no courage, and there are no balls to be found there anymore. Young men, find your makeshift masculinization regimen elsewhere, because this one is no longer worth the spiritual and psychological price of admission.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2019 1:10 PM  

I intended to put in a link to Col. Kratman's Social Justice Armed Forces Go To War on everyjoe.com but it appears that the three-part series has gone into the Memory Hole.

I guess that's to be expected. It was a merciless satire on women, gays and trannies in the Army, and that's not allowed.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 01, 2019 1:12 PM  

Literally telling me I was going to be a brute in service to the "outreach" arm of an illegitimate corpse of a posterity.

I had no idea what it meant at the time, but hindsight has had the grace to resolve to 20/20 in this case.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 01, 2019 1:17 PM  

Overheard:

"You realize that we're the evil empire, right?"

"No, I hadn't, but everything makes sense in that context."

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 01, 2019 1:27 PM  

@31: "Apparently WooTube didn't like the exposure of Nathan Philips hoax."

SJWs absolutely hate it when someone strips the mythic coating off abject losers like Philips and makes it look easy.

Hits way too close to home.

Blogger JohnofAustria March 01, 2019 1:32 PM  

IKTF, man. I keep my commission purely for the health insurance for my kids, have a lot and they get expensive.

The part of me that remembers old America and the old WW2, Korea, and Nam guys wants to believe it's still the same, but it isn't.

Blogger SJ March 01, 2019 1:33 PM  

You don't want to die for Israel? Bad goy!

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 01, 2019 1:35 PM  

The personnel shortage is their built-in excuse for the damage that diversity is causing.

Although I'm sure they have plenty more excuses lined up if they happen to meet their manning goals.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 01, 2019 1:43 PM  

"We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational."

From Kipling's "Tommy Atkins". Just as true today. There's been a strong tendency to treat the troops as if every one of them was a combination of rapist, suicide risk, and drunkard. And treating professionals like small children is NOT the way to keep the best of them.

It doesn't help that Navy leadership in the mid-00s got a severe case of Army Envy, and raided every ship and shore establishment for personnel to give over as Individual Augmentees. Meaning not only were they to fight ashore, but they were to be parceled out to the Army as cannon fodder instead of fighting as a proper Naval Brigade.

Then they made the cut manning the new standard, to save money for Solyndras and Trains to Nowhere. And, of course, to pay for Little Crappy Ships.

Blogger inthebriarpatch March 01, 2019 1:53 PM  

Probably. I exited the US Army for one reason: Women. Specifically, low-IQ black women.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 01, 2019 1:54 PM  

@32: " Young men, find your makeshift masculinization regimen elsewhere, because this one is no longer worth the spiritual and psychological price of admission."

Truth. Way back in the day, I enlisted in the Corps (infantry) because I wanted to earn my spurs, so to speak.

Today, my generic advice to any young guy who wants to join the military is: Don't. Unless it's your ONLY way up or out of an unacceptable situation.

Like you said: Find another way to realize your masculine potential.

Blogger inthebriarpatch March 01, 2019 1:56 PM  

You're a fighting man. A soldier whose first job is to kill.

But if you misgender that sodomite, it is courts martial for you Private.

Blogger inthebriarpatch March 01, 2019 2:04 PM  

Snag a mental health diagnosis. Although if the conflict is severe enough to warrant a draft, it better be something like bipolar and not just depression.

Although the thought of being on a foxhole with a sodomite is depressing.

Blogger veryfunnyminion March 01, 2019 2:13 PM  

Well, is it just me or does it not appear as though they're creating a U.S. military to do the job that Americans won't do, namely fight against recalcitrant Americans on U.S. soil.

Alongside their imported gang-banger auxilaries, a la Max Alexender's Patriot books.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2019 2:20 PM  

Yeah Max is a great trainer and his books are pretty good as well. If you want real tactical training besides internutz gunz talk MVT is the place to go.

I'll make a prediction the Navy will soon get to the point where a boat is mainly non-white core Americans and they will sink the damn boat without any help, or it will look like a stripped ghost ship sitting in some boneyard. A lot of great men and some women come from those groups, but put too many in a group and they plum the lowest common denominator so fast they would beat the anchor to the bottom.

Blogger Mr. Xloveli (home website: foetos.wordpress.com) March 01, 2019 2:21 PM  

I don't see that it really matters. There's more branches of the armed forces than just the Navy. Surely the Air Force is TOO COOL to run short of Top Guns! If they do they can merely turn to Hollywood actors to fill the gap. But seriously, Click Here to see how I view the Navy, and America at large, in today's changing world. My assessment is too large to fit into a comment.

Blogger Stilicho March 01, 2019 2:22 PM  

Why so xenophobic, VD? The Navy needs a few more of those "Americans" who just haven't become citizens yet. There are tens of millions of Chinese who would love to join the Navy! Why, the PRC would even encourage it.

Blogger PragmaticTroll March 01, 2019 2:26 PM  

The large, well-known company I work for is celebrating Women's History Month with a list of female firsts!

Any suggestions for "female firsts" I can give them... *snicker*

Blogger Clay March 01, 2019 2:39 PM  

Look at the crap the Dems are putting up for POTUS in 2020. Women have no business being aboard a US Naval vessel...(mebbe the Coasties).

Bring back the sheep, I saaaaaaaaayyyyyyy.

Blogger Mark Stoval March 01, 2019 3:04 PM  

I think a good post and then thread would be to look at how big the military should be. What is the mission? Where should troops be stationed? Could we save billions? Should we be an empire?

I contend a better paid, much smaller professional military in a defensive posture would be better for all of us.

I saw a General on C-Span back when the channel was brand new tell us that it was exponentially more expensive to station the forces forward. Since I know some math, I know what exponentially means. But not being an expert I don't know if the General was right.

Blogger Cecil Henry March 01, 2019 3:07 PM  

A healthy military with a proper focus is not inclusive.


ITs powerful and organized for excellence.


Inclusive?? That's irrelevant.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 01, 2019 3:10 PM  

We are talking smack about the people who do show up: how about noticing who doesn't show up? The young men dying of opiate overdoses can't join the navy. I'm vaguely recalling that most of the deaths are in the eastern seaboard states.

I mean, if I were a large nation with a practical history of how opiates cripple a solid 25% chunk of the population, and a scholarly class that keeps documenting how its done, and you know, labs and equipment.....

You have to admit, it looks like very effective warfare: the best war is when the enemy doesn't fight back. And suicidal drugs addict bodies piling up so high that towns have to rent refrigerated trucks to hold all the bodies looks like a winning battle strategy.

My family has veterans as far back as I can find- centuries. Here, there, every branch, every war, every generation. My kids are being told to not enlist, and the oldest is "I am not a poppy field guard for a private corporation." I don't know how the current order holds up.

Now, were you to defend the border? The boys at his school were lifting weights to be strong enough to work 12-14 hour days building the wall. Bricks, bags of concrete, they were preparing for that.


Blogger Ilk in Training March 01, 2019 3:11 PM  

I loved being in the military and, up until a few years ago, was frustrated that I never could stay in. I did a stint in the Air Force and then one in the Army National Guard. Wanted to go career but never managed. I figured God didn't want me in and now I know why.

My time in the Guard was '96 to '99 (during the Clinton years) and that was when things started going very bad. I got out because my unit was rumored to be going to Kosovo and I wasn't going to be part of that (they eventually went to Iraq in '03/04). We didn't have what is happening today but the disdain from the elites towards us grunts was in full display.

Coming to my point, my best friend was in the Navy and made E-6 in less than 8 years, which is damn good. He tested for E-7 and scored high enough for promotion but there was only one slot available...and they gave it to a black girl that didn't score high enough but that the brass wanted to promote. He saw the writing on the wall and left the service soon after, even though they threw re-up money at him and assured him he'd make it the next time.

They've been screwing over anyone that wanted to serve and now they're left with the dregs. I weep for my nation.

Blogger flyingtiger March 01, 2019 3:25 PM  

The navy is at a crossroads. If they drop the diversity requirements, the whites guys will flock to the navy. Too many qualified whites have been turned away because of diversity requirements.
You might believe in a good economy no one would want to join. How many jobs allow you to fire big guns and cruise around the world? Diversity or world power, make your choice.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 01, 2019 3:25 PM  

@52: I suspect this was why Mattis left as SECDEF. President Trump isn't an expert on national security issues, but he's not stupid. He's been asking some fundamental questions...and appears to have gotten the brush-off, or "that's the way we always did it" answers.

My take:

At this time, the United States has three major areas of interest: Europe, the Middle East, and the Far East.

In Europe, our primary interest is in preventing the Russians from taking control of European industrial capabilities and overmatching us. However, their ability to DO that has declined dramatically since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Provided that our so-called "allies" cough up the resources, they can outmatch the Russians without our aid. Therefore, our involvement should be minimal.

In the Middle East, our traditional interest has been the free flow of oil. With the success of fracking, we now have energy independence...and that fact is the biggest development since the end of the Cold War. We have a continuing interest in ensuring that Islamic terror groups and states do not acquire nuclear weapons, mostly because they might ship one over here. Nevertheless, the high level of engagement of the last 25 years is a relic of the past, and should be reduced.

This leaves the Far East. The major issue is the rise of China as a superpower...and the fact that the Chinese are feeling their oats. They are behaving VERY much like Wilhelmine Germany before the First World War, expansionist, a bit aggressive, and with a chip on their national shoulder. They are discovering that being a superpower isn't quite as satisfying as they thought it would be. This is the primary area of concern, because I can easily see the Chinese stumbling into a major war the way the Austro-Hungarian Empire did in 1914. And we know how that turned out....

This is part of the problem. Our current force structure started out built to fight the Soviets in Europe. Big Army (with lots of tanks), big Air Force (with lots of tactical jets), medium-sized Navy (with lots of convoy escorts). After the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Army and Air Force substituted "Iraq" for "USSR", desert tan for NATO 4-color camoflage, and kept going with the same thing (albeit cut dramatically in size). To meet the future needs, we need a radical shift of resources. A much smaller Army...because we're not going to get bogged down in a land war. Probably a larger reserve component, just in case. An Air Force with fewer F-35s, more B-21s to provide long-range capabilities. And a much larger Navy...toss those LCSs to the curb, put the money into carrier aviation and submarines. Own the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Don't play games in the South China Sea, mine the hell out of it and sail away.

Blogger Calvin809 March 01, 2019 3:41 PM  

Bring back McNamara's Morons

Blogger HMS Defiant March 01, 2019 3:47 PM  

The Navy cheerfully sent tens of thousands of sailors ripped right out of warships to fill Army slots in the TOA in Iraq and Afghanistan and told repeatedly that one hell of a lot of our best sailors were fed up with this policy that was in place for over a decade and would leave the Navy at the end of their enlistment the Admirals in Washington all cheerfully said, "FUCK THEM". And now they wonder what happened to the sailors some of whom made back to back to back deployments. You know, deploy for 8 months on a cruiser to the Middle East, come home, 2 weeks later in involuntary assignment for 12 months in Aghanistan only to return to the ship just in time to get underway for another 8 month deployment.

NAVPERS cannot manage its way out of a wet paper bag and they endlessly blame everything/everyone else for their sheer utter incompetence.

Blogger Edgar Abbey March 01, 2019 3:57 PM  

Your comment about pregnant crew-members just before deployment may have been said in jest, but I can testify to the fact that it was a problem way back in the 1990s when female crew members were stationed aboard certain US Navy support ships that only infrequently went to sea. As the scheduled deployment approached, a large number of the female sailors would suddenly and mysteriously find themselves pregnant and unable to deploy, severely depleting the crew. And on warships, the impact is worse, because just before a long deployment, crews typically train together in various operational drills in order to learn to work together more efficiently, and it is impossible to get the same efficiency by simply moving new sailors into the jobs from other ships at the last minute.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 01, 2019 4:05 PM  

So, why are black people's feelings more important than literally anything else in the USA? And, more to the point, how long will that continue? I would think the various real estate consortiums would be nearly final solution NAZI from the sheer destruction of value in major cities in less than a century: Detroit alone makes a case for some history book tragedy or another.

I mean, if you wanted enough competent white guys to do stuff, you could GED out a great many 14 year old boys, or declare that a ship is a high school. The British more or less did that with aristocratic or gentry's children from age 7 upward. This was at their height of power and during the Napoleonic Wars. Would you rather attend diversitopia middle school, or attend a technical excellence floating school?

Or, why not concede the rot of the establishment, and point out that we are more like the Austro-Hungarian Empire than China is? We are in debt, we have ambitious, bellicose non-soldiers, and we've got a diverse demographic with some awful opinions about how to run things?

Blogger James March 01, 2019 4:18 PM  

"Acute manning problems were found to be a factor in the fatal collisions of USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) and USS John McCain (DDG-56)."

I think it was "Acute womanning problems were found to be a factor in the fatal collisions of USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) and USS John McCain (DDG-56)" was what they meant to say.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 01, 2019 4:24 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:So, why are black people's feelings more important than literally anything else in the USA?

Because White people have chosen to pretend that Blacks matter more than Whites.

Ariadne Umbrella wrote: And, more to the point, how long will that continue?

As long as White people choose to let it.

Leftists make up 10% or 15% of our population. Blacks are less than 15%. When the White nations get sick of Blacks, Blacks and their Leftist keepers get flushed.

Blogger Ivan Ivanoff March 01, 2019 4:49 PM  

Lol, Europe couldn't hold Russians in 80s and sure as hell wouldn't hold anything now. "Outmatching" a nuclear superpower with actual tank armies with like three paper divisions is not even worth calling a pipe dream.

Besides, Europe does't have to be in conflict with Russia, it's a strictly anglo strategic imperative, and germans seem to finally understand that. Once deoccupation by US mercenaries starts in earnest, it is over for you - everywhere, because China will not back down either. Enjoy your favela continent.

Blogger Avalanche March 01, 2019 4:50 PM  

@19 "The Navy should offer say 25,000 men-only warship billets"

I would LOVE to see that offered!! (Too bad they can't also make it WHITE-men-only ships!)

Blogger Avalanche March 01, 2019 4:51 PM  

@21 Medical also means the young men cannot have been drugged to make them behave (like girls) in school.

Blogger Stilicho March 01, 2019 4:56 PM  

@49. Marie Curie- first woman to die of radiation poisoning. There's even a syndrome named after her.

Bruce Jenner- first woman to win the gold in men's decathlon

Barack Obama- first woman elected POTUS

Blogger The Lab Manager March 01, 2019 4:59 PM  

How many Americans even have a life or property worth defending these days? Few to none and that includes many conservatards. And I certainly don't give a damn whether Israel exist or not.

Blogger sammibandit March 01, 2019 5:03 PM  

@49

Justin Trudeau, first transwoman to run a country

Challenger explosion, first woman in space

Sweden, first gender balanced snow clearing, gridlock in Stockholm

Blogger JohnofAustria March 01, 2019 5:16 PM  

Exactly. That's my biggest concern with our sort staying out.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 01, 2019 6:02 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:how opiates cripple a solid 25% chunk of the population,

Booze kills more people than all drugs put together.

Blogger Pickle Rick March 01, 2019 6:06 PM  

We had to station guards on our vehicles down in the well deck to keep the sailors from fucking inside our battery trucks.

Blogger AvocadoBob March 01, 2019 6:12 PM  

Hey, VD, quick wuestion.

What will replace (or attempt to replace) the supercarriers and aircraft as our big stick in the upcoming laser weapons age?

Will we go back to battleships, or will we keep trying to go with an obsolete strategy?

Blogger Jonathan March 01, 2019 7:04 PM  

Mexicans can operate "muh-cheens" just as well as Americans. Our military will be just fine.

Blogger Pseudotsuga March 01, 2019 7:12 PM  

As the ships sink, and the Chinese laugh, at least we can be secure in knowing that at least we were more "woke" than the Chi-coms...

Blogger Original H March 01, 2019 7:22 PM  

AvocadoBob wrote:What will replace (or attempt to replace) the supercarriers and aircraft as our big stick in the upcoming laser weapons age?

Will we go back to battleships, or will we keep trying to go with an obsolete strategy?


My view: Inertia will keep the obsolete strategy in place until it can't continue anymore.

It remains to be seen who will be holding the big stick after that... Probably not the U.S.

But eventually, the smallest (probably unmanned) platforms that can carry lasers sufficient to wipe out anything within line-of-sight would make logical sense. Also mini-carriers (combined with the the laser platforms?) that can launch laser-equipped drones.

Laser equipped drones can destroy any target within line-of-sight, whether on sea, land, or in the air given a sufficient energy source.

Laser equipped ships can wipe out any target within line-of-sight in the sky at lower cost than drones. Plus the drones will need to be refueled.

Kinetic weapons will still be needed in case of clouds, haze, sand, smoke, or any other visual obstructions.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 01, 2019 7:43 PM  

Original H wrote:
Laser equipped drones can destroy any target within line-of-sight, whether on sea, land, or in the air given a sufficient energy source.


Have any dilithium crystals? How 'bout a Mr. Fusion pocket reactor?

Blogger Azimus March 01, 2019 8:23 PM  

Mexico's entire combat contribution to World War 2, a conflict they participated in for 2 1/2 years I believe, was to field one lend-lease p47 squadron of fighters. I can't confirm if anything more than the pilots were Mexican. Why do you think that is? Because of their technical savvy? There is a vast difference between peasant's work that they do well - stacking pallets straight, sewing the sleeve to the blouse - and the needs of dynamic and sophisticated situations like naval combat. I don't fault Mexicans in fact they are friendly people with excellent work ethic. But there is a reason that once the US mopped the floor with Spain, Spain went in the corner and stayed quiet for the next 100yrs plus - personal bravery and elan are important elements on a battlefield but they are nowhere close to the most important.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2019 8:24 PM  

Anyone notice the wardog conservatives who show up to tell us not to worry only talk hardware?

Blogger Unknown March 01, 2019 8:31 PM  

AvocadoBob wrote:Hey, VD, quick wuestion.

What will replace (or attempt to replace) the supercarriers and aircraft as our big stick in the upcoming laser weapons age?

Will we go back to battleships, or will we keep trying to go with an obsolete strategy?


Oddly enough, John Ringo figures this out in his Legacy of the Aldenata series.
Anything that can be individually targeted gets dead in seconds, so the key is not to be seen, or, as John Ringo postulated, not to be individually targeted. Be one among many. In the case of his books, be infantry. Or, if one must stick out, have enough armor to withstand being singled out. The old BBs and CAs museum ships were all reactivated in the book series, and did well.

Anything that flied under power was dead as soon as it cleared the horizon.

--Unknownsailor--

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 01, 2019 8:46 PM  

@77

Modern drones would need to be beefed up considerably beyond even hercules bomber size and infrared laser technology and energy density tech likewise improved before they could even do more than just inconvenience APC's, let alone take out destroyers, cruisers, and anything above that in mass with a direct strike. You could argue for ships that they could just take out the bridges, but in terms of piercing through the hull and hitting something vitally important that even modern unarmored hulls are supposed to protect, that is well off. Keep in mind, it's only recently where lasers have been shown to be able to threaten missiles and aircraft, and both things are considered to be 'soft targets' and even then they're not exactly to the point where flinging a lot of mass at a target is not also a very good idea also.

Blogger eclecticme March 01, 2019 8:56 PM  

@49. PragmaticTroll March 01, 2019 2:26 PM
The large, well-known company I work for is celebrating Women's History Month with a list of female firsts!

Any suggestions for "female firsts" I can give them... *snicker*

Kara Spears Hultgreen (5 October 1965 – 25 October 1994) was a lieutenant and naval aviator in the United States Navy and the first female carrier-based fighter pilot in the U.S. Navy, due to affirmative action which was made clear when she crashed into the ocean and died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q_anBB3M0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIS1WNXCgq8

Also Betty Pack, who served her country in WWII on her back, spying for the US and Britain. The book is quite good. She is kinda cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq8eRPfP000

Blogger eclecticme March 01, 2019 9:07 PM  

@49
(((Clara Immerwahr))) (21 June 1870 – 2 May 1915) was a German chemist of Jewish descent.[1] She was the first woman to be awarded a doctorate in chemistry in Germany, and ... she was married to the Nobel Prize-winning chemist Fritz Haber. She killed herself shortly after the first use of gas in WWI, thanks to her (((husband))). He skipped her funeral to go the front.

Blogger English Tom March 01, 2019 10:09 PM  

@AvocadoBob

What will replace carriers?

Probably what are called arsenal ships, which are basically floating missile platforms, capable of firing huge salvos of missiles at the enemy.
There will probably be a sub surface dimension to these ships, and lots of automation, lessening the need for a large crew.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 01, 2019 10:33 PM  

"What will replace carriers?

Probably what are called arsenal ships, which are basically floating missile platforms"


This. Lasers are stupidly inefficient and ineffective for most tasks. Kinetic weapons and explosives are still the order of the day for payload, and realistically always will be, even in space combat. What's changing is not payload, but delivery systems. Missiles are optimal for explosive delivery, even in space where lasers become diffuse to uselessness in a few thousand miles.

Even if you can theoretically solve a problem, if you can't do it cheaply and reliably it generally won't be done, which is why EM propelled kinetics are also probably not the future, as they are rapidly running out of engineering means to make them endure repeated use.

Blogger DonReynolds March 02, 2019 2:52 PM  

For all the advanced engineering talent and high tech available, the US Navy seems to be slow to accept that human sailors can be replaced to a great extent with industrial robots.

I have to take it that the Navy has refused to carry automation past computer applications and heavy lifting applications. The next step would mean ships with very few officers and men. Later, it might mean ships with no sailors at all, remotely controlled, and eventually Frankenstein ships that direct and maintain themselves, based on artificial intelligence, with orders that read like...."In the event of war, do not let anyone past this line and engage any who oppose you."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 02, 2019 4:29 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:For all the advanced engineering talent and high tech available, the US Navy seems to be slow to accept that human sailors can be replaced to a great extent with industrial robots.

Robots can't do damage control. Neither can the diversity, so maybe it doesn't matter. Either way, the ship stops fighting once it's damaged.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 05, 2019 5:43 AM  

@57

"Bring back McNamara's Morons"

No. It was criminal to have ever done it in the first place.

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