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Sunday, March 17, 2019

They FEEL American

But they're not, they never were, and they never will be. A telling confession from a review of an entirely unnecessary book by the eminently contemptible Max Boot.
The best bits of The Corrosion of Conservatism come early, when Boot describes his childhood under Soviet tyranny and his years as a precocious, politically hyper-conscious teenager in Reagan-era California. The most sympathetic character we encounter is his mother—the ­fiercely loving émigré, who “enrolled me in swim classes, piano lessons, and Hebrew school to give me the athletic, musical, and religious education that she had lacked.” All this, though money was tight and his ­father largely absent.

Yet Boot never took to sports, nor the piano, nor Hebrew study, and he didn’t retain his native Russian. His real passion was America. Boot was six years old when pressure exerted by Sen. Henry Jackson forced the communist regime to allow families like his to emigrate. In a passage that had me underlining and writing “Amen!” in the margins, he explains: “I have never visited Russia since leaving. I feel entirely American.” That describes my own immigrant sensibility, though I came from Iran just before I turned fourteen.

But it soon becomes clear that Boot views his adopted homeland through a set of abstract, free-­floating propositions about rights and norms—his patriotism is attached to liberal proceduralism. The religious and spiritual warp and weft of the land elude him entirely. That is, when he isn’t disgusted by them.
America is not, and has never been, an idea. America is a nation, which means, by definition, that Americans are an actual and distinct living people. The claim that America is an idea or a creed is not merely an insult, it is an existential attack on the genetic Posterity of the American Revolution, a nation that has been invaded, adulterated, betrayed, confused, and demoralized to the point that it doesn't recognize itself or even know what it is.

If you want to know why the military doesn't defend the borders, and why the people don't defend their lands, their neighborhoods, or their families, it is because the American nation has been literally robbed of its identity. And that is why the charlatans and gatekeepers of the Right condemn identity politics, identity, and nationalism so vehemently, because they are alien usurpers who are desperate to keep the rightful heirs of the Revolution from claiming the very country their forefathers founded.

The review is much more perspicacious than the book, which makes sense, if one considers who the author of the latter is, even though the reviewer's identity complications prevent him from grasping why the metaphysical ideals of the West have been eclipsed.
Without a shared vision of the common good, society devolves into consumerist cliques and warring tribal factions. With the eclipse of the metaphysical ideals that underlie their conception of reason, America and the West can barely address other civilizations, much less win them over. And it turns out that the consent principle, without more, can authorize all manner of degradation, most shockingly evident in such phenomena as the sale of children and wombs in surrogacy, the unrestricted circulation of hard-core, misogynistic pornography under the banner of “free speech,” and the legalization of death-by-doctor throughout the developed world.

The liberal consensus, then, has emerged as a profoundly illiberal, repressive force—precisely because it grants the autonomous individual such wide berth to define what is good and true. If maximizing individual autonomy is the highest good and, indeed, the very purpose of political community, then for ­Chelsea Manning to exercise “her” autonomy requires the state to compel the rest of us to say that “she” wasn’t born male. And even absent state compulsion, as already exists in Canada and elsewhere, the institutions charged with upholding the consensus—corporations, big tech, universities, and elite media—can exact a high price for dissent.

The free world doesn’t feel free.

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77 Comments:

Blogger BriarRabbit March 17, 2019 6:37 AM  

This fits up there in usefulness in common conversation as two other things you have written.

One is American as a nation of immigrants. I've used your words about "America is not and has never been a " so often - most recently in my Baptist church.

Second areyour words from "Thoughts On Tolerance" - also recently used in bible study class.

These two plus "America is not an idea" are three of the most valuable things I've picked up here for challenging the b.s. oft heard day-to-day.

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 17, 2019 6:51 AM  

Max Boot exemplifies loathsome.

Blogger Mark Stoval March 17, 2019 7:03 AM  

These contemptible lies and propaganda start early. Elementary school is taught mainly by silly women who make these false claims to impressionable children and young people.

And is has been going on a long time. I heard junk like this in grade school in the late 50s and early 60s for God's sake.

And going to University these days is like going to a Maoist re-education camp. The amount of "let the world come here" propaganda is astounding.

I get so f'ing mad about all this, ... [self snip here]

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira March 17, 2019 7:11 AM  

Give Max the Boot.

Blogger SciVo March 17, 2019 7:17 AM  

Max Boot and his sort are like a man who has no sense of smell, and is so solipsistic that he goes around telling everyone else that they're flavoring their food wrong because odors don't exist and it's immoral to act like they do.

I get it. He is a man without a nation, incapable of an authentic sense of belongingness anywhere in the world.

But how dumb and vain does he have to be to then project his pathetic existential impairment on the rest of us, telling real Americans to our faces that we have no such deep belongingness, and in fact shouldn't, and in fact it's his life's work to destroy ours?

Blogger Silent Draco March 17, 2019 7:21 AM  

Briar Rabbit, good summary and thanks for reminding me to download some of those pages for reference.

Max Boot and others suffer from an awful freedom fetish, focused on 'muh rights'. The American heritage is liberty, with privileges and authority balanced by responsibility to use them for the good of God, nation, and family.


Thinking out loud here, still need more caffeine:

Liberty encourages effort in collaboration or in coordinated groups, creating good works focused on those underlying pieces of the American credo - God, nation, family. Freedom atomizes groups into a set of individuals in conflict, easily overwhelmed and destroyed by an autocrat (bureaucrat, dictator, whatever).

Blogger The Cooler March 17, 2019 7:22 AM  

They [the #­Resistance and the most hysterical of the Never Trumpers, Boot chief among them] speak of “defending democracy,” as Boot does throughout his memoir, but what they really mean is defending the technocratic liberal consensus

I found this particularly observant.

The technocratic liberal consensus is precisely what our youth are being taught as the 'stuff' from which democracy is made, thus retarding the otherwise organic intellectual procession of the young: From being taught definitions, to the acceptance and application of those definitions, to the questioning of those definitions via entomological inquiry; and, ultimately, the disassembly and examination of definitions' etiologies. The quest for -- in a word -- truth, itself, is replaced with Goodthink recitations, themselves passing as Education.

This Lie as regards democracy -- i.e. that the technocratic liberal consensus is what democracy IS -- has wreaked havoc on American identity, leaving it spiritually, morally and intellectually deracinated.

The deconstruction is complete.

Blogger The Cooler March 17, 2019 7:31 AM  

*etymological

Blogger The Cooler March 17, 2019 7:40 AM  

The deconstruction is complete.

...and so there's very little left to lose. Who wants to live forever?

Blogger rumpole5 March 17, 2019 7:43 AM  

How can America be a real nation when we have been assaulted by waves of cultural and genetic adulteration almost from the beginning? I was born and raised in German Protestant northern Indiana. One county over was the Catholic polyglot of Eastern Europeans, Polocks, Hungarians, and the like, who inhabited South Bend. One county north, just over the Michigan state line, were the secular materialist "English" gathered in their pub like taverns every weekend. The 3 adjacent counties were each entirely genetically snd culturally distinct from the other 2. When Blacks, Appalachians, and Mexicans moved in, from the 40s on, things became even more confused. We are not one nation. We have not been for some time.

Blogger Steve March 17, 2019 7:49 AM  

Boot was six years old when pressure exerted by Sen. Henry Jackson forced the communist regime to allow families like his to emigrate.

A Russian friend once told me that only Jews were allowed to emigrate from the USSR.

Blogger Alcuin March 17, 2019 7:49 AM  

We have had our home-grown Jacobins since early days: men for whom liberty is not free enjoyment of our culture, religion, and economy, but freedom from them. This faction has always used ideology as a weapon, and somehow we have made ideology a principal channel of social resentment. The Jacobins have welcomed immigrant resenters and racial resenters into their fold. Max Boot is a great example. I think the nakedest statement of immigrant resentment married to Jacobin resentment, however, is Scorsese's Gangs of New York, in which WASP nativists are depicted as brutal, deluded criminals and Irish immigrants by contrast as brave and moral human beings. One particularly may savor the director's and actors' commentary track that holds that only resentful immigrants have enabled America to realize its great destiny.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2019 7:52 AM  

Boot is a Trotskyite, James Burnham was a former Trotskyite, and here we have it the fraud known as conservatism is really the Managerial State. And worse the Managerial State as worshipped by Boot has fallen to the SJW cult which is the bitchy busy bodies harem with guns. All power no authority.

Blogger Tank March 17, 2019 7:57 AM  

The America you refer to has not existed for a century. As a history lesson this makes sense to discuss, but how does it help us get from here to there?

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) March 17, 2019 8:02 AM  

C'mon, if little Max feels inside that his real identity is American, then dammit he's an American, and he should have access to all the hormones and surgery that he needs in order to become just like a cisnational American. Don't be transnationalphobic, you guys. This is 2019.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd March 17, 2019 8:13 AM  

Heh... Noice

Blogger VD March 17, 2019 8:16 AM  

The America you refer to has not existed for a century. As a history lesson this makes sense to discuss, but how does it help us get from here to there?

I suggest you read Sun Tzu since you don't understand how knowing yourself helps you successfully get from one place to another.

Blogger Tank March 17, 2019 8:21 AM  

I understand that. Why don't you explain how focusing on that now helps us move to the next step.

Blogger Billy March 17, 2019 8:23 AM  

Would anyone describe the American posterity as anything other than white Anglo-saxon protestants?

Blogger McChuck March 17, 2019 8:23 AM  

Culture is absorbed through mother's milk, and distilled at grandpa's side.

Blogger VD March 17, 2019 8:32 AM  

I understand that. Why don't you explain how focusing on that now helps us move to the next step.

You obviously don't. You also don't understand the difference between a nation and a state.

Blogger DonReynolds March 17, 2019 8:35 AM  

Max Boot is the NeoCon version of an American. Not born in the USA, but came here when he was 7 years old from the Soviet Union. So there was not much of a Russian experience to forget and he never got past his Jewish upbringing.

Max is billed as a historian, but would be considered a feather-weight among historians. His only graduate-level degree was a masters in Diplomatic History, but he styled himself first as a journalist and more recently as a military historian. Obviously, he is neither.

His most recent role-change is dedicated NeverTrumper, which will further endear him to the other NeoCons in the Republican establishment, while drifting steadily toward full-blown SJW and Leftist in the very near future. (He is already moaning about his "white male privilege", which will prove to be a dead-end street for him.)

He reminds me of another Max...Max Eastman, who made the journey from the other direction, from the Far Left (Troskyite) to the Far Right, but Boot is far less intellectual. Max Boot has little to add to the conversation other than the butt kissing and constant claims of fealty to ideas that were never American in the first place...but how would he know?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2019 8:35 AM  

After a few minutes more thought, Boot could probably be understood from that blurb about fiercely protective mother, which means he is prone to get caught up in any and all feminine hysteria. Gotta suck now since the mean girls are turning on the unpopular girls who happen to be jewish, oh well you play with fire you get burnt.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 17, 2019 8:44 AM  

Max Boot is truly lost. And yet he thinks we should pay attention to him. Strange man, Max is.

Blogger Silent Draco March 17, 2019 9:00 AM  

More caffeine and listening to "Gamma World" Darkstream while doing morning stretches - definitely Gimel (((gamma))):

Making a set (list) of free-floating propositions
Patriotism attached to (rules of) liberal proceduralism
"The religious and spiritual warp and weft of the land elude him entirely." - not my hierarchies, use mine instead!

No connection to the hierarchy constructs, social cooperative nature, or religious and spiritual basis for American nation. But when Max is the Secret King, he'll hold you accountable to the rules and hierarchy as he sees them. Oh, yesss, Precioussss.

Next year in Jerusalem - please go while it's a promise, and not a timetable.

Blogger Damn the torpedos March 17, 2019 9:09 AM  

Thank you Vox for helping me see the truth of this. I’m an American citizen but in truth I’m Irish and Italian. My family didn’t “become” American any more than representative Omar ever could. Sure I care about the constitution more than the average immigrant but that doesn’t change biology.

I grive the loss of the American people. Moving forward I hope the western peoples learn from this horrible experiment in civic nationalism.

God help us all

Blogger ZhukovG March 17, 2019 9:09 AM  

An ethnic American is a Christian(even if only culturally) Person of British descent, whose family can trace its lineage, in the United States, to the early 17th to mid 18th century colonial period.

If you are a blue haired screaming SJW and the above describes you; you are an American.

If you are a God, Guns and Guts loving Traditionalist and the above does not describe you; you are NOT an American.

One's ethnicity is not a virtue; it is an identity.

Blogger Gettimothy March 17, 2019 9:14 AM  

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

Notice the explicit reference to "one People".

That was not and is not the Jews. It was not and is not the Mexicans. It was not and is not The Somalis, it was not and is not the English...


Blogger pyrrhus March 17, 2019 9:14 AM  

"A Russian friend once told me that only Jews were allowed to emigrate from the USSR."

Absolutely true. Under Reagan a law was passed allowing unlimited immigration from the Soviet Union by Jews, but nobody else.

Blogger The Cooler March 17, 2019 9:16 AM  

The nation is not dead, Tank. The state founded by the nation, however, is. You are conflating the two.

You not knowing this explains why you require someone else to plot your course.

Blogger VD March 17, 2019 9:20 AM  

You're banned from commenting, Tank.

Anyone who attempts to "call me out" or dictate the subject here will be banned immediately and permanently.

Go away now.

Blogger The Cooler March 17, 2019 9:29 AM  

By the by, the Saxon need not begin to hate. He hates just fine and has for some time. What the Saxon needs to do is remember what is permissible in defense of his family and, by extension, his nation.

Blogger JG March 17, 2019 9:33 AM  

America the state, America the empire, is a rotting corpse, waiting for history to bury it. America the Christian nation will survive only if it purges itself of the Prince of this World and his malignant followers.

Blogger Avalanche March 17, 2019 9:36 AM  

@11 "A Russian friend once told me that only Jews were allowed to emigrate from the USSR."

Yes, because only Diaspora jews were 'able' to put enough pressure on the western countries to get those countries (govts) to put pressure to FORCE Russia to let their vermin out... There was no outcry (or interest, except from the slready brainwashed) from the posterity to 'save the russian jews' -- and yet it became a huge moving force to do it.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 17, 2019 9:40 AM  

@27: That definition is pitch perfect for an ethnic New Englander. But not so much for the Huguenot, the Palatines, and other NW European ethnic groups, including the Irish!, that landed on the Atlantic Coast and settled on the Old Western frontier up until the 1770s. Posterity was polyglot until it became a true English speaking nation, albeit one with pronounced regional differences, as posterity learned to its bloody chagrin during the 1850s through the end of Reconstruction.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 17, 2019 9:40 AM  

Yes, of course that was particularly correct in the late cold war. The whole point we were told was to "save Soviet Jewery". People had bumper stickers to that effect, there were TV commercials urging is to contribute to this or that charity to help them, and the law mentioned specifically ensured quota free admission of Jews from the Sovie Union. It was an explicit policy of the USA.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 17, 2019 9:47 AM  

Which States? It's a fair description of the original colonies. It doesn't describe later additions very well. Louisiana? Hawaii? Part of becoming an empire is taking in the conquered people.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 17, 2019 9:59 AM  

@37: Google American Nations Map. Note the pattern of relatively rapid western expansion by some of the original founding nations. It was quite the competitive mad dash, enabled by the most remarkable riverine and Great Lakes transportation system ever exploited by an empire.

Blogger Argus Bacchus March 17, 2019 10:10 AM  

"I don't FEEL tardy."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2019 10:14 AM  

Well no virtue signaling goes unpunished and now Boot and all the other children of refuseniks angry and bitter over being dorks in high school will bite the hand that helped them.

My dad a solid true blue labor D voter said when he seen Sharansky get off the plane in Israel said he could understand why the dirty commies booted him out. And then Sharansky wrote a book that that idiot coke head Bush thought was inspirational.

Blogger Stilicho March 17, 2019 10:15 AM  

What stands out to me, from this review and from Boot's own political op-eds, is that Boot considers "America" to be a country defined by its conformity with Boot's personal and tribal interests. This view isn't uncommon among neocons/Rinos/cuckservatives/civnats etc. because it has been encouraged by the principles of British liberty-from the pre-Hastings Saxon freedoms, through the Magna Carta, Locke, common law, American Revolution, etc.- being applied to divergent peoples who understand the personal benefits of such freedom without understanding that the system itself is dependent on and ultimately defined by the nature and inclinations of the people from whom the cultural norms and traditions of ordered liberty it is supposed to protect arise. Any type of democratic govt will always reflect the the nature's of the people's to whom it applies-it isn't a principle in and of itself, it is simply a tool. A tool that simply isn't designed to govern divergent people's and cultures under a single set of rules.

Authoritarian, statist systems of govt, otoh, are designed to rule over divergent peoples. Boot and others like him fail to recognize that the form of govt changes to reflect the makeup of its constituent tribes, rather than the nature of those tribes changing to adopt the norms and rules of the govt which reflect the dominant culture in place when those divergent people's come under the sway of that govt. They have it exactly backwards. The tribal/cultural horse will always pull the govt/state cart in the direction the horse wants to go.

Blogger The Cooler March 17, 2019 10:20 AM  

@39 but then again Boot's homework was never quite like this.

Blogger Argus Bacchus March 17, 2019 10:25 AM  

@42

Yep.

Well played.

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 17, 2019 10:33 AM  

This guy has a solution:

"The separatists have set up groups such as Americans for Self-Determination. One of the founders, Jeff Anderson, said: 'We are suggesting the US be partitioned into states for blacks, whites, hispanics, and so on, along with multi-racial states for those who wish to continue with this experiment. Now is the time to begin such a multi-racial dialogue about separatism, before a storm of violent racial conflict erupts.'

Not sure if that group is still around as the article is old!

link

Blogger Cecil Henry March 17, 2019 10:55 AM  

This is a very valuable presentation about the likes of Boot who 'feel' American:


They lie in any event. They don't feel American. They 'feel' like American can benefit them at the expense of the very nation of America and THAT suits them just fine.

The rest is rationalization and obfuscation of their motives.




A Goy Guide To World History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiGYtQ1EWZw

Blogger Joe Smith March 17, 2019 11:14 AM  

It's a good review, with intelligent commentary. Boot is such a drooling moron that it isn't too difficult to rip him apart, but it's always fun to see someone do it.

The one issue people like this guy keep having is that if they feel American, and Americans generally accept them in their country (or empire), they think that actually makes them American. They don't understand that what is really required of the émigré is the acknowledgement that he is not of the nation that has developed the country in which he lives--that s/he resides in America on the sufferance of Americans--and then to be as good a guest as possible. Admitting that seems to be pretty tough for just about everyone nowadays.

Blogger English Tom March 17, 2019 11:19 AM  

Re: a nation robbed of its identity.

There's a very telling scene in Orwell's 1984 where Winston and O'Brien are about to drink a glass of wine. O'Brien proposes a toast, shall we drink to the future?
The past Winston replies. The past is more important O'Brien says.

People without a historical identity are as a tree without any roots.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 17, 2019 11:26 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:An ethnic American is a Christian(even if only culturally) Person of British descent, whose family can trace its lineage, in the United States, to the early 17th to mid 18th century colonial period.


True.

ZhukovG wrote:If you are a blue haired screaming SJW and the above describes you; you are an American.

An American, and a traitor.

ZhukovG wrote:
If you are a God, Guns and Guts loving Traditionalist and the above does not describe you; you are NOT an American.


Not-American, but under attack by the same implacable enemies, and allied with Americans in the fight against those enemies, like it or not.

VD wrote:The America you refer to has not existed for a century. As a history lesson this makes sense to discuss, but how does it help us get from here to there?

I suggest you read Sun Tzu since you don't understand how knowing yourself helps you successfully get from one place to another.


So, here we are, all of us, like it or not. Americans, some of us traitors; and loads of Northern European-descended peoples, some who have assimilated and some who won't; and hordes of orcs, who could never assimilate and wouldn't if they could.

Fortunately, the orcs cannot distinguish Americans from Armenians, and hate all the palefaces indiscriminately. The dusky orcs even hate the pale orcs. Orcs aren't very bright. So, all of us, Americans, Germans, Irish, Italian, Scandanavians, Slav and Spanish, have an implacable common enemy.

Those of us who are able to pass as Americans are going to have to pass as Americans, because the orcs, pale and dusky, will force it upon us all. Those of us who are Americans have a whole bunch of allies - eager or reluctant - who will be forced to our sides by the orcs.

After the orcs and traitors in our midst are dealt with, we may wind up squabbling a bit among ourselves. The Micks will want to get back to hating the English, for example. But that's for future generations to sort out. Right now, we deal with the orcs and the traitors, or there won't be any future generations.

Vox keeps saying, correctly, that White isn't a race, but when there is a horde of orcs destroying everything and everyone White, White becomes an identity.

If you are thinking that all these non-American White allies are going to sully our bloodlines and change who we are, you were already proven right: that ship sailed long ago. Our Founding Fathers would not be pleased with their posterity, but they certainly would not want to see it drowned in a Turd World cess pit, which is our only alternatve to working with our natural allies. Join with non-orcs, run off the orcs from our lands, or you and your descendents have no future.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 17, 2019 11:30 AM  

Stilicho wrote:The tribal/cultural horse will always pull the govt/state cart in the direction the horse wants to go.

Culture is a racial construct. So is government.

Blogger Azimus March 17, 2019 12:17 PM  

VD:
America is not, and has never been, an idea. America is a nation, which means, by definition, that Americans are an actual and distinct living people.


If we concede this point, then what is it that separates and distinguishes an American from an Englishman? Is it not ideas - ideas about property, government, liberty, and so forth?

Blogger InformationMerchant March 17, 2019 12:27 PM  

@50 Flip that around. Compare the ideas of the English readers here with Antifa in the USA.

Blogger Alcuin March 17, 2019 12:41 PM  

Peoples other than WASPs can marry into America, if they are devoted to it. The Maryland Catholics were as American as anyone. The Scotch-Irish too. Devotion means cherishing and improving our culture and institutions, instead of eroding, defaming, subverting, and perverting them for the benefit of non-WASP groups. This is a challenge for non-WASP groups with a strong identity that easily can be kindled into an oppositional identity. They have to agree to support the traditional WASP-derived culture and institutions wholeheartedly and to sacrifice the primacy of their group interests. If they don't, how can we federate with them? Larry Auster used to like to point out how earlier generations of Jewish entertainers contributed to and promoted traditional American culture. He lamented that WASPs have ceased to act like the bearers of a dominant culture. I wonder if William F. Buckley used his Catholicism to create a mental reservation with respect to wholesale support of historical America. TR was ostensibly willing to sacrifice his British-American identity for an American identity, yet strongly preserved his WASP (and WDP) heritage.

Blogger Nathan March 17, 2019 12:57 PM  

Great post. I think it helps illuminate your conflict with JCW on the what constitutes the core of American identity. JCW emphasizes our religous and cultural heritage, while downplaying the importance of familial and tribal lineage; you argue for the necessity of all three to form a coherent national identity.

I do think that JCW is right to contend that religous and cultural assimilation can overcome genetic lineage. But successful assimilation would require fewer immigrants and legally proscribing the ethnic ghettos that have sprouted throughout our cities.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 17, 2019 1:18 PM  

The state of things is really most apparent in noticing, as I traveled the world, how it's only the USA that had "trash everywhere" while every country I seen in Europe everything was clean and well kept.
I always wondered why.
Then I went to Germany in 2016 and saw graffiti and trash everywhere.

We know exactly what has changed. And now I know why.

The people throwing trash everywhere can vote too.

Blogger Alcuin March 17, 2019 1:18 PM  

We can federate with ethnic ghettos, if they are devoted. We need their help against our Jacobins and their allies. Remember the Alamo and the Tejanos who fought with the Texans!

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 17, 2019 1:27 PM  

I'm not a fan of democracy, but since Boot claims to be one, I'll note that if we actually had a democracy, it would be impossible to get it to vote for all the wars Boot desperately wants, at least not without 9/11-scale false flags every time.

Blogger Lance E March 17, 2019 1:51 PM  

SciVo wrote:But how dumb and vain does he have to be to then project his pathetic existential impairment on the rest of us, telling real Americans to our faces that we have no such deep belongingness, and in fact shouldn't, and in fact it's his life's work to destroy ours?

It's fascinating, isn't it? "If I can't have it, no one can!" Max Boot is literally the cliched mustache-twirling Hollywood villain.

Azimus wrote:If we concede this point, then what is it that separates and distinguishes an American from an Englishman?

How about 300 years of regional adaptation, plus some admixture? Similar to the differences between Russia and Ukraine.

Blogger ZhukovG March 17, 2019 1:52 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd:The British and French are separate nations. But that did not prevent them from being allies against a common enemy in two world wars.

We must always be aware that Nations are like any other living thing. They are born, they mature, and history teaches us, that they can die. Like most living things, Nations are messy. While a firm definition is necessary; so to is a degree of flexibility in defining the Nation.

I believe the Nations of the current United States MUST separate. This is the only way they will be able to develop and mature in the same manner as the Nations of Europe.

Blogger Blaidd March 17, 2019 1:52 PM  

American nation has been literally robbed of its identity.

I try to explain to people what America is and isn't and typically get push back about "Native Americans being the real Americans." I have trouble understanding how they can't see how insulting it is to try to rob not only Americans of our identity but the American Indians of theirs as well. Like telling Serbs they're actually Turks, Spaniards are Arabs and the English are really Roman.

Blogger Blaidd March 17, 2019 2:02 PM  

If we concede this point, then what is it that separates and distinguishes an American from an Englishman? Is it not ideas - ideas about property, government, liberty, and so forth?

As someone else already said, 300 years of living apart is plenty of time for a separate ethnicity to develop. On top of that political ideology has been shown to be very much hereditary and the people who left Britain for America already had significant differences in constitutions from those that stayed.

Blogger ZhukovG March 17, 2019 2:15 PM  

@Azimus: My family came to the Virginia Colony from Great Britain in the 1620's. I am as ethnic American(Southern variety) as they come.

While in the military, I was stationed in the United Kingdom for a little over two years.

While there are differences; I experienced no difficulty in adjusting to British culture. I, in fact felt an odd sense of 'homecoming' while I was there.

I was also deeply disappointed that I was not permitted to accompany my British comrades when they went to the South Atlantic to kick Argentinian ass and restore Her Majesty's sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Imperator Trump.... God Save the Queen!

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic March 17, 2019 2:17 PM  

If we concede this point, then what is it that separates and distinguishes an American from an Englishman? Is it not ideas - ideas about property, government, liberty, and so forth?

A sufficiently potent creed becomes an ethnicity over time.

Blogger Gen. Kong March 17, 2019 2:50 PM  

Shouldn't Mr. Boot really be feeling more Egyptian - or maybe Russian? After all his genetic memories have at least 4 centuries worth of Egyptian programming plus almost as much from Russia. He wasn't even born here but flew in on locust-wings - yet another (((Neo-Palestinian))) grifter from the swarm.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 17, 2019 4:40 PM  

Peoples other than WASPs can marry into America, if they are devoted to it.
The exception does not make the rule.
The Irish of the early nineteenth century believed in America. They loved in died for it, giving Grant and Sherman manpower to fuel the bloodlust.
But at the end of the day they were still Irishmen, who had their own customs and ways they behaved.
Even almost two centuries later there still exists a holiday to celebrate the Irish heritage.
No similar holidays exist specific for the English or Scots.

Blogger Rhys March 17, 2019 4:54 PM  

It seems a lot of (evil) people have an unwavering sense of entitlement to change groups and cultures they've been a part of: gays with marriage, feminists with vidya, jews with foreign national identities.

Blogger Rhys March 17, 2019 4:55 PM  

That's "never been a part of"...mistake

Blogger tublecane March 17, 2019 5:01 PM  

Believers in Proposition Nationhood somehow never notice propositions change. I mean, they're not stupid enough to think we share the Founders' ideas, even if they reference the Founding constantly. But they never put two and two together and realize it's been a never-ending procession of different propositions. Most of which they complain about.

Blogger tublecane March 17, 2019 5:05 PM  

Speaking of Scoop Jackson, back when I read neoconnery (before I knew what they were, exactly) I remember encountering his name a lot. Because he was a Hawkocrat and "our guy" across the aisle, I guessed. But it was more reverential than that. They acted like he was some great statesman.

I wonder if there wasn't some kind of intellectual, universitian circle or cult of personality around him. Perhaps financed by the Rand Corporation.

Blogger tublecane March 17, 2019 5:17 PM  

@7- There's a non-profit conservative propaganda outfit called Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI), and one of its books is called Democratic Capitalism and Its Discontents. Reading this title was the first time I recall seeing that term, "democratic capitalism." I didn't read it, but I'm fairly certain it stands for your liberal technocracy. Or the Managerial State.

That's what those people believe in, without telling us. Do you think Thomas Jefferson could make hide or hair of it?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 17, 2019 5:37 PM  

@5
He is a man without a nation, incapable of an authentic sense of belongingness anywhere in the world.

Well... not really. Boot wants you to be a man without a nation; devoted only to radical individualism, muh "conservative" principles... and the best interests of his nation and its homeland.

His appeals to abstract principles are meant for you, not him. To him, they're merely a tool to further the interests of his own ethny. He doesn't actually believe in them in a literal sense -- but he thinks that they're "true" because they serve to advance the interests of his own tribe.

@11 @29
A Russian friend once told me that only Jews were allowed to emigrate from the USSR.

Pretty much. Goes back to 1974:

Jackson-Vanik Amendment

Understanding Jewish Influence III: Neoconservatism

@28
Notice the explicit reference to "one People."

See also "... our British brethren," "...our common kindred," and "They... have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity."

@22 There does seem to be a noticeable intellectual decline from the first generation of neocons to the current one. Just look at the Kristols and the Podhoretzes.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 17, 2019 5:42 PM  

@70
Looks like that second link is bad. This is better:

Understanding Jewish Influence III: Neoconservatism

Blogger DonReynolds March 17, 2019 6:10 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:@Azimus: My family came to the Virginia Colony from Great Britain in the 1620's. I am as ethnic American(Southern variety) as they come.

While in the military, I was stationed in the United Kingdom for a little over two years.

While there are differences; I experienced no difficulty in adjusting to British culture. I, in fact felt an odd sense of 'homecoming' while I was there.


I could not agree more.
Much has been made of the tie of English blood. What George Bernard Shaw described as two peoples separated by a common language. The fact that so much of our family never left the British Isles for the Americas, means that many distant relatives still remain there, with the same name, and the bones of our ancestors. England is where much of our history remains, compared to the relatively brief time spent in the USA.

Winston Churchill's mother was American. His middle name was Spencer and that is the important tribe he belonged to. Still, no one thinks of Winston as an American, even though he was made an Honorary American by Act of Congress. He was as American as Ted Cruz, even if he never saw himself as one.

Blogger tc March 17, 2019 6:37 PM  

Mr Don Reynolds, may I introduce You to an image of Winston Churchill You probably do not know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwFzm6rZH3o

Blogger Robert What? March 17, 2019 7:28 PM  

Unfortunately even Rush is in love with the idea that America is an idea.

Blogger CM March 17, 2019 9:03 PM  

I do think that JCW is right to contend that religous and cultural assimilation can overcome genetic lineage.

I don't have much familiarity with JCW's views on this other than knowing this much, so this statement is informed from my general interaction with others that hold this position.

The thing usually missed by holders of this view is that the kind of assimilation that they speak of is exceedingly rare. The Bible only has two examples of it happening - Rahab & Ruth. If that's what your looking at, than 500k+ immigrants are, in the vast majority, not assimilating at the level they should and are, in fact, incapable of it.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky March 18, 2019 9:01 AM  

Really? I think he meant entomological. Studying bugs leads to some interesting insights. Look at the chinese, they've structured a whole society modelled after ants.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel March 19, 2019 10:50 PM  

“for me, conservatism means prudent and incremental policy­making based on empirical study.”

He sounds like a 19th century progressive without their unbounded ambition.



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