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Thursday, March 07, 2019

Voxiversity 011: The Socio-Sexual Hierarchy: Alpha



Voxiversity is back and on track with the 11th video, the second in the Socio-Sexual Hierarchy series, which addresses the topic of the Alpha rank and behavioral pattern. We have a new producer, hand-picked by the previous producer who I am pleased to observe is rapidly becoming too successful and important to make YouTube videos for me, and I think you will see that he made the right choice.

Our goal is to not only get back to the original goal of making two Voxiversity videos per month, but to make more than that, assuming that we can maintain the level of quality that has been established. Voxiversity 012 will address the Gamma and will be released a lot sooner than you probably expect.

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Blogger daddynichol March 07, 2019 7:11 AM  

It's good to see the videos back up. The content is excellent and production is spot on.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums March 07, 2019 7:33 AM  

Excellent video. I'm looking forward to the days I can call people "gamma" without having to explain what it means. Jesse Lee Peterson is gonna have to change his entire catchphrase !

Blogger wreckage March 07, 2019 7:40 AM  

Very slick production. Highly watchable.

Blogger Silent Draco March 07, 2019 7:44 AM  

The new producer had a good start. This makes a good teaching start, explains social and sexual parts, privileges and responsibilities. Hierarchy - the Gamma mania of the past century to destroy all hierarchies clicked firmly into place. "Do as thou wilt", but only if the Secret King allows.

I had a quick discussion with some young men over the weekend, concerning why we say a benediction at a public meal. I explained quickly about Christian society, public prayer and piety, and gave them the links to the Voxiversity videos. We'll discuss and have some questions, this coming week.

Blogger Salt March 07, 2019 7:48 AM  

Excellent production and content.

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Blogger The Cooler March 07, 2019 8:02 AM  

Implicit to the heuristic is the idea that premeditation, foresight, measure, stoicism -- maturity, in a word -- is alien to the Alpha; that he is driven by some exigency he cannot quite discipline or doesn't quite own outright.

In terms of interpreting behavioral traits, to what extent does the social rank of the interpreter factor into the validity of the interpretation?

I'm thinking here, specifically, of the use of the word "paranoid," which immediately struck me as odd; then, after some thought, decided was as good a word as any, from a certain perspective.

Blogger JDC March 07, 2019 8:41 AM  

Excellent video. I especially appreciate the section about putting alphas in your midst at ease. That was particularly helpful. As someone who works with a variety of groups in multiple settings, Ive seen how much damage an alpha can do if he feels threatened.

Blogger Lazzaloveman March 07, 2019 9:20 AM  

I made the mistake of joking about the poor English in an alpha’s presentation before a group of about 10 persons. He has spent a lot of time and effort to get me fired since then, and that was almost 10 years ago. He may still get it done.

Blogger peacefulposter March 07, 2019 9:23 AM  

Given that Alpha is by far the most well known and well covered category, it is difficult to come up with unique insights on this topic. However, I think you succeeded here, especially the part about Alpha Paranoia which I haven't heard elsewhere.

In addition to your Dad's CEO, the GE is also a good example. Of course, His paranoia is perfectly justified when it comes to the media!

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 07, 2019 9:40 AM  

Alpha: Gen Buck Turgidson, Major Kong, Russian Ambassador.
Beta: President Merkin Muffley, Grp Cpt Lionel Mandrake.
Delta: Bomb crew, Coca Cola Soldier.
Gamma: Premier Kissoff.
Omega: General Ripper, Dr Strangelove.

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I read in "Rhetoric" that a Gamma is expedient, whether the Aristotle Gamma is different not sure, just the tag expedient stuck out to me. I'd be quite interested in learning more about Omegas.

Blogger Paddy J S March 07, 2019 9:41 AM  

The Christianity video is one of the finest productions Ive ever seen on a blog.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 9:52 AM  

Nailed it. Particularly the bit about alphas displaying great loyalty to their group and to the people in their group. Alphas can even get to the point where they judge themselves through the lens of group success. Jordan was that way I think.

Having Trump to watch has been beneficial to our understanding of the alpha behavioral patterns.

Blogger Knight of Logos March 07, 2019 9:53 AM  

This information is very helpful. It puts a lot of past experiences into perspective. For example, I had a business partnership with a friend who clearly had many alpha characteristics, but was also a bit paranoid and sociopathic. As a manager with some beta characteristics, as soon as I found out about the lies he was telling me, I lost my loyalty with him and, in turn, our friendship/partnership ended.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 10:00 AM  

The whole thing about accepting responsibility for the others in the group is one of the problems with Lebron James. He's clearly an alpha. but he is bad at certain very important responsibilities that go along with it. People see that he is disloyal to those in his group and it is off putting.




But there is a reason people respond more negatively to him than they do to say Jordan. Jordan was protypical Alpha. He never criticized his lesser teammates.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 10:04 AM  

contrasting Jordan with Lebron is pretty easy. Jordan always gave credit to his lesser teammates. Lebron rarely does and overtly blames them for group failures.

He's a terrible leader. He's a great basketball player.. but he is a terrible leader. That's why he needs to be on a team with a guy like Dwayne Wade... or why he would've completely thrived with someone like Kevin Garnett.

Blogger peacefulposter March 07, 2019 10:47 AM  

Many folks, including myself, were also confused about Trump's tendency to whine. How can Alphas be whiners?

VD, I think you explained how in a previous video but cannot remember exactly what you said.

Blogger VD March 07, 2019 10:57 AM  

How can Alphas be whiners?

Two words: Tom Brady.

Blogger peacefulposter March 07, 2019 11:04 AM  

Nice!

Blogger JDC March 07, 2019 11:05 AM  

How can Alphas be whiners?

Two words: Tom Brady.

Whoever does the NFL "Bad Lip Reading" videos nailed Tom Brady's whiny tone.

Blogger Bilroy March 07, 2019 11:17 AM  

If you want to see a sigma-alpha conflict play out in real time i recommend watching MMA fighter Ben Askren's interactions with UFC CEO Dana White.

Blogger fiendeJ March 07, 2019 11:31 AM  

Great video, especially liked the part about defusing paranoia / sniffing out threats.

Gamma is next, and then which? Delta, or Beta/Bravo?

In any case, looking forward to the rest of the videos in the series.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 11:47 AM  

Tom Brady?

Wait... we're doing Lambda now?

Blogger Daniel Babylon March 07, 2019 11:50 AM  

Are alphas willing to indefinitely be second-banana with no chance of ever being the top dog again?

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 11:54 AM  

"Are alphas willing to indefinitely be second-banana with no chance of ever being the top dog again?"

that's not how fractal systems work. Alphas are not betas. There are always fluctuations in different parts of your life where you are in contact with both higher status alphas and lesser status alphas. you always have groups that you are the alpha of forming and evolving… all on their own.

Blogger Garuna March 07, 2019 11:56 AM  

Great episode. And lmao I just noticed Michael Moore as one of the gammas in the pyramid.

Blogger Garuna March 07, 2019 12:07 PM  

It's unsurprising that all the dismissals of male socio-sexual hierarchy in the Youtube comments are guys. Specifically, guys who exhibit gamma snark and dishonesty. It's just like the salty thots on Chateau Heartiste's comments section.

When it comes to male socio-sexual hierarchy, I've never met a woman who denies its existence. They all instinctively understand the concepts of alpha, beta, delta, gamma etc. even if they've never seen any of proper discussion about them. They will usually just call a gamma the "creepy guy".

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 07, 2019 1:24 PM  

I will watch later when I can give it more attention. Though I am certain it will be good.

It's no surprise that it's mostly men - likely gammas - who will complain. And I think women are indeed aware of this hierarchy. The "right to an abortion" is ultimately all about aborting an attempt at trapping a man in the majority of the cases. It's about killing the spawn of betas, losers, and even that gamma she "settled for" at that drunken party. Oh noez that little bug gotta go!
Most women will never admit that.

Blogger peacefulposter March 07, 2019 1:32 PM  

Hey Doctor J, you sound like Rollo!

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2019 1:56 PM  

Implicit to the heuristic is the idea that premeditation, foresight, measure, stoicism -- maturity, in a word -- is alien to the Alpha...

I'm sure Vox has plenty of material examples for the next video on Gammas, you don't need to give him more.

There are always fluctuations in different parts of your life where you are in contact with both higher status alphas and lesser status alphas

Yep, that's the whole "hierarchy" thing. Alphas have ideas, plans, they're men who want to make things happen. Loyalty to a higher alpha who can get you the resources you need is generally not a problem. Empowering a lower alpha lieutenant to help you succeed, also generally not a problem.

At least until someone wants to challenge the hierarchy, then...


Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 2:09 PM  

"At least until someone wants to challenge the hierarchy, then..."

meh. living inside strict enforced hierarchies like the military or other things is a big help for dealing with that stuff. for example team captains on football teams... some schools you have to be a senior. period. so an alpha sophomore.. no matter how alpha will to be a captain. He learns to exist in his place there and learns a great lesson... the first step to learning to lead is to learn to follow. That brings me back to my LeBron James example. Lebron is a shit alpha because he is a shit leader.. and he is a shit leader because he never had to learn to follow.

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2019 2:19 PM  

some schools you have to be a senior. period. so an alpha sophomore.. no matter how alpha will to be a captain. He learns to exist in his place there and learns a great lesson...the first step to learning to lead is to learn to follow. That brings me back to my LeBron James example. Lebron is a shit alpha because he is a shit leader.. and he is a shit leader because he never had to learn to follow.

Agreed on all counts. It's one of the tragedies of fatherless households (like LeBron's). The first opportunity for a natural Alpha to learn how to follow is following his dad, and when Dad isn't there, Mom is not really a substitute. Compound that with a feminized institutionalized school system where it's Lord of the Flies, and the natural leaders get ruined exactly as you said - by never learning how to follow.

Blogger The Cooler March 07, 2019 2:42 PM  

I'm sure Vox has plenty of material examples for the next video on Gammas, you don't need to give him more.

Therein lies the basis of my in-good-faith question: In terms of interpreting behavioral traits, to what extent does the social rank of the interpreter factor into the validity of the interpretation?

"Paranoid" was one word used in the video, "Buffoonish", IIRC, was another. "Over Confident" being another descriptor. These are interpretations of Alpha that essentially no Alpha would make of himself or another Alpha.

The hierarchy and it's heuristics are self-evidently of little use to Alphas and extremely useful for 'lesser' ranks to understand themselves in relation to Alphas and their own interpretations of Alpha behavior, which are accurate only insofar as the interpreter is attempting to understand that which he is not. Which is to say he is ipso facto inaccurate, prone to projection and resentfulness and will generally see the Alpha in pejorative terms, even when he can ultimately manage his feelz in a productive fashion.

All-in-all, the idea that one can learn to manage -- i.e. manipulate -- an Alpha is wishful thinking: He'll smell it a mile off and will remember that you tried to be crafty.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 2:59 PM  

"Implicit to the heuristic is the idea that premeditation, foresight, measure, stoicism -- maturity, in a word -- is alien to the Alpha; that he is driven by some exigency he cannot quite discipline or doesn't quite own outright."

this is one of the most willfully stupid things I've read here in a while... and that's saying something.

you're either a bitter gamma or bitter victim of a pump and dump.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 07, 2019 3:36 PM  

I'm perfectly aware of what drives me, and I make use of all of those traits you listed when appropriate, Cooler.

Tools for the toolbox, etc. The word gamma makes my knuckles itch.

Blogger The Cooler March 07, 2019 4:40 PM  

The word gamma makes my knuckles itch

The West would be a much better place if calling someone a "Gamma" was immediately -- and irrevocably -- reason to get down. There would be far less confusion, of that I am certain.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 5:09 PM  

"The West would be a much better place if calling someone a "Gamma" was immediately -- and irrevocably -- reason to get down"

no. the world would be a better place if we stopped pretending that there aren't 1000s of good reasons to punch someone in the face.

Punching people in the face makes society better.

Blogger sammibandit March 07, 2019 5:12 PM  

Agreed on all counts. It's one of the tragedies of fatherless households (like LeBron's). The first opportunity for a natural Alpha to learn how to follow is following his dad, and when Dad isn't there, Mom is not really a substitute. Compound that with a feminized institutionalized school system where it's Lord of the Flies, and the natural leaders get ruined exactly as you said - by never learning how to follow.

Also why Scouts is so important. At least here the leadership is based on names from the Jungle Book and the boys have some sway in naming leaders. Akaila, Begheera, sometimes a Baloo, or a Bubbles are common names for adult male leaders. The boys get to see how different adult males fit into the hierarchy, even a sigma (?) like Begheera fits in.

Blogger Mark Stoval March 07, 2019 6:05 PM  

Nate wrote:"The West would be a much better place if calling someone a "Gamma" was immediately -- and irrevocably -- reason to get down"

no. the world would be a better place if we stopped pretending that there aren't 1000s of good reasons to punch someone in the face.

Punching people in the face makes society better.



This is the truth. Boys at my schools would do that until most boys learned some manners the hard way. Hell, even winning was hard work. We learned cooperation.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2019 6:06 PM  

"Also why Scouts is so important. "

were important. scouts is lost.

Blogger sammibandit March 07, 2019 6:28 PM  

were important. scouts is lost.

True. I'm still in deep denial.

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2019 8:03 PM  

were important. scouts is lost.

BSA perhaps, but not the concept. "Scouting" can still happen without the idjits from National. In fact... would Men of the West want a series on how to start and run your own old-school scouting program?

Blogger John Rockwell March 07, 2019 8:18 PM  

I look forward to your video on Omega Males.

Truly in a unique position in the modern world?

That having nothing to lose and being an outsider.

Perhaps those males make up significant portions of 8chan and with all the freed up time are able to accomplish much more nowadays.

Or speak the truth because they have nothing to lose

Blogger State Estimation March 07, 2019 8:26 PM  

An alpha that doesn't inspire loyalty is a tough pill to swallow.

Blogger LES March 07, 2019 8:27 PM  

I've found that whenever any 2 men have to get along there is an establishment of a hierarchy of which is the top banana. Unless the other man just wants me to take the lead I always let the other guy take the lead. I am aware of the dynamic when they are not.

I am surprised that the alphas I have known seemed so self-confident that they were not capable of being self-aware or reflective. Their mind set was 2 dimensional: I'm in charge; you are not.

Blogger Silent Draco March 07, 2019 8:50 PM  

State Estimation, yeah, worked for a couple of them. They were loyal to themselves, and stepped on subordinates. Spent a lot of time shielding good folks so we could get work done on time for our customers. Spent more than expected on stomach meds, but I had good people to watch out for.

That kind of alpha can quickly get reconsidered as gamma. Line workers will be more than glad to fractal with his or her head.

Blogger State Estimation March 07, 2019 9:18 PM  

Silent, good on ya. My troubles were more self-inflicted from stupidity. I don't follow those who I don't respect. I learned the hard way to be deferential.

Blogger daddynichol March 07, 2019 9:44 PM  

Gen Hal Moore and Sargent Major Plumley are an example of two Alphas working in concert. Both understood their role. You can bet that Sgt. Plumley was considered Alpha by his men yet he respected the position and leadership of Gen Moore.

Blogger State Estimation March 07, 2019 9:47 PM  

One last thought: a man's home is his castle: It's good that every man be alpha of his own home and family. It's tragic if he is not.

Blogger SirHamster March 07, 2019 10:06 PM  

Nate wrote:"The West would be a much better place if calling someone a "Gamma" was immediately -- and irrevocably -- reason to get down"

no. the world would be a better place if we stopped pretending that there aren't 1000s of good reasons to punch someone in the face.


I can't imagine that tough talking Gammas actually want to get in a fist fight for being called a Gamma.

So he's right, in that Gammas would get punched and shut up.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 07, 2019 10:08 PM  

Gammas could come to my Muay Thai gym and learn something, but then they wouldn't be gammas.

Blogger Door in the Hill March 08, 2019 4:32 AM  

Looks like you've still got a freestartr link showing at the end of this latest Voxiversity.

Otherwise, looks pretty good to me. Helpful information, well presented. I did notice the seemingly high percentage of black people shown, although I could be missing the references.

Blogger The Cooler March 08, 2019 7:05 AM  

@50 Yeah. My greater point being that Western men are so generally pussified that there are exceptionally few WORDS -- not actions, mind you but WORDS -- that can be said to them that will make them actually whip someone's ass. Which Nate touches on in his contrarian SoCo rube-out sorta way. It would be great if "Gamma" were so well known and understood that A.) it was avoided like the plague; and, B.) one had better be ready for the consequences of calling someone a Gamma who is not a Gamma.

I would like to see it mainstreamed and considered one of the greatest insults one can levy. I like the psychological edifice behind all of that.

Blogger Bobiojimbo March 08, 2019 7:33 AM  

Thanks for the videos, Vox. Thinking about the fractal nature of the hierarchy, if anyone would like to observe this, go into your local game store (as in a store that sells board games, and has people regularly playing board games). Game stores are full of gammas and deltas, and some omegas, and you'll get to see some of them leading their small groups of friends.

Blogger Nate March 08, 2019 3:58 PM  

'I can't imagine that tough talking Gammas actually want to get in a fist fight for being called a Gamma. '

which is kind of my point. Gammas are gamma. They are always shocked and confused when they get punched for doing something that earns it.

Blogger Nate March 08, 2019 3:59 PM  

"An alpha that doesn't inspire loyalty is a tough pill to swallow."

yes. See my LeBron james illustration.

Blogger Nate March 08, 2019 3:59 PM  

"BSA perhaps, but not the concept. "Scouting" can still happen without the idjits from National. In fact... would Men of the West want a series on how to start and run your own old-school scouting program? "

absolutely.

Blogger matveidaniilovich March 09, 2019 4:01 PM  

I was a Boy Scout. Made it to "Life" before other interests eclipsed camping w/ the bros. Great memories. A sin & a shame that we allowed it to degenerate into what it now is.

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