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Monday, March 04, 2019

Why conservatives always lose

I know John Hawkins means well, but his diagnostic ineptitude here is simply off the charts.

Exhibit 1: The first step to getting our culture to go back in the right direction is understanding why conservatives are losing the culture wars.

Exhibit 2: The “old school” values that made America successful were Judeo-Christian values that people were immersed in from their childhood on, usually in church. 

When you can't identify the enemy, you cannot defeat the enemy. And when you cannot defeat the enemy, you are destined to lose. There are no "Judeo-Christian values". There are no "Islamo-Christian", "Hindu-Christian", or "Satano-Christian values".

Conservatives are losing the culture wars because they rejected the central role that Christianity and the posterity nation played in traditional American culture. So they permit non-American, non-Christian opinion leaders to lead them straight into cultural defeat, time and time again.

There are two primary causal factors: immigration and immoralization. Deal with them or go down to defeat.

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75 Comments:

Blogger cheddarman March 04, 2019 2:14 PM  

Conservatives are terrified to even name the real enemies

Blogger Lamarck Leland March 04, 2019 2:22 PM  

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Blogger kennymac March 04, 2019 2:27 PM  

Saw the same odious phrase on a post at Ace’s blog. Some commenters pushed back against the Judeo-Christ but most just cucked right along.

Blogger LZ March 04, 2019 2:29 PM  

The same battle goes on within the churches, between traditional and modern forms of worship/belief.

I'm coming around to the idea that the problem isn't so much conservatism as Boomers. The youngest boomers are approaching 60, they're not going to change their ways. The only way to overtake them in the next 20 years is to have way more children.

Blogger Unknown March 04, 2019 2:32 PM  

If people are desperate to keep the hyphen then I'd suggest Anglo-Christian values. At least it's accurate in the sense that American values were both Christian and Anglo-Saxon in nature and origin.

Blogger RandyB March 04, 2019 2:33 PM  

It's not about the hyphen. It's about the prefix.

Blogger Miguel March 04, 2019 2:35 PM  

Cucks are afraid of being called "anti-semites", so they tag the jews along for a ride most of them don't want.

Talmudic judaism says that the Lord JESUS is in Hell.

Christianity says that Jesus is the Creator God. How can aynone say that these two conflicting ideologis can serve the basis for any civilization?

Blogger Stilicho March 04, 2019 2:44 PM  

Isn't Hawkins a never-Trumper?

Blogger CarpeOro March 04, 2019 2:45 PM  

I'll buy his explanation the next time Christian values are taught anywhere outside a church. Like in a synagogue perchance...

Blogger Latigo3 March 04, 2019 2:49 PM  

Yeah, they always lose. I first noticed this back in the 90's with Rush Limbaugh, back then he could do no wrong. I was a brand new Christian in Colorado and everyone in the local churches loved him. I remember the day that I realized he wasn't for real and he wasn't on the side of Christianity, the gay-marriage and gays in the military debate reared it's ugly head back then and his stand on it was weak, it was not a stand at all. He folded and succumbed. I knew then that he was a fake. All "conservatives" follow that formula, they always fold on a major moral issue. Unfortunately, Christians fall for it every time.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box March 04, 2019 2:59 PM  

Judeo-Christian. I always heard that Americans were horribly Eurocentric and anti-Jewish. How then could we be Judeo-Christian in our culture?

Jews seem to be like a bad girlfriend (or maybe just a girlfriend in general). You know the type and the story. They latch onto you. And suddenly everything is "ours." Suddenly, what you are interested in is what "we" are interested in . . . and then before long what "we" are interested ends up meaning what she wants and what she is interested in, although she still uses the pronoun "we" when talking about it.

Blogger KG March 04, 2019 3:04 PM  

Conservatives seem to have the mission statement of conserving a nation they claim doesn’t exist.

Once the reality is apparent it’s undeniable. They act like the values and culture they attempt to conserve came from nothing and no one in particular, just magically rose up from the soil. No, English Christians made this nation and its values, and the domestic foreigners that now occupy it have as little care for that origin and future as you conservatives have for the origin and future of Libya and Syria.

Blogger Zeke March 04, 2019 3:08 PM  

>Why Conservatives Always Lose

Nice title for a book

Blogger Garuna March 04, 2019 3:11 PM  

The Jew-pandering isn't gonna last very long. Something changed recently. A lot of equalist centrists and right-wingers are taking crimson-red pills on white identity and Jews. Even Joe Rogan recently suffered massive backlash for his Jew-pandering Bari Weiss interview. The comments section was filled from top-to-bottom with Jew-savvy people with basically nobody disagreeing. This audience was until a few months ago as centrist as it got. Now they look like /pol/. The new Alex Jones interview may have been damage control. Just like Peterson is trying to do damage control.

I guess the several approved opposition backstabbings from the Kavanaugh episode to the Covington Catholic kids one really woke some people up.

I wish you and Owen the best of luck with whatever you two are secretly working on. I'll be there to support it. There is suddenly a greater demand for uncucked and unapproved opposition. And it'll probably get more intense as the 2020 election aproaches.

Blogger Garuna March 04, 2019 3:11 PM  

PS The Muslim congresswoman episode shows the Jew-pandering is on its way out on the Left too.

Blogger Noah B. March 04, 2019 3:13 PM  

@Garuna

Once you notice, there's no going back.

Blogger The Cooler March 04, 2019 3:19 PM  

The comments at the article are worse than the article.

Fear the Typing Dead.

Blogger tz March 04, 2019 3:27 PM  

I know of only one Rabbi that has close to Christian values (Daniel Lapin). Shumley Boteach at Breitbart celebrated Bruce Jenner's transitioning and getting some kind of hero or Israel award.

Prager and Shapiro won't even stop the bleeding, but they are what most people mean by Judaeo-Christians. It is the same problem is their morality isn't Christian, no more than "Free Trade, Open Borders, Gay Rights" is "Conservative".

The Churchians have excised the things Hawkins complains about to be more "inclusive". The original Christians weren't and their occasional tendencies led to harsh rebukes like Rev 2-3 and St. Paul's and James' epistles.

But they couldn't have removed the moral foundation without having first removed the founder, Jesus Christ himself. Whether it be plastic Jesus, Judaeo-Christ, Nice Christ, they are false Christs, false Gods, and false Gospels, all of which are demons and the doctrines thereof.

Blogger Joe Smith March 04, 2019 3:34 PM  

You should stand up to your girlfriends. Other than that, I take your point.

Blogger Joe Smith March 04, 2019 3:35 PM  

Vox did it more succinctly: Cuckservative.

Blogger PragmaticTroll March 04, 2019 3:39 PM  

Was flipping through a children's book from the 80s (I think) today. Girl rabbit asking what "special day" it is with each page being about a different holiday (Easter, Thanksgiving, Christmas, 4th July, etc). The last page has some symbols for other holidays: May Pole, New Years Fireworks, and of course... a Menorah.

Blogger tz March 04, 2019 3:41 PM  

Here is a simple test. Ask about:
Abortion.
LGBTQ. (or any out of wedlock sex)
Divorce. (or kids without dads)
These are not theological, but manage to sort things out. Even Milo recognizes what the Church teaches.

I would have added things like "Motherhood" which should mean a stay at home Mom that hasn't wasted herself on a career, but this can go into the weeds.

Humility. Jesus knows we WILL fall, but can repent. Everything else is pretending there is nothing wrong, at least nothing really sinful.

Also note the three items concern sex - and the one that gets complicated is the simplest.

Sex only inside marriage between a man and a woman, until death. You teach more with your actions than your words.

The Sexual Revolution was spiritually a French Revolution and we still have its version of the reign of terror.

Blogger sammibandit March 04, 2019 3:45 PM  

Conservativism in Canada is likely quite similiar to conservativism in America.

1. Big tent means watering down the platform to appeal to people who would never vote that way in terms of gay marriage, gay sex ed in school, immigration, reaching out to hindus and muslims, working for open border types like Koch Industries and Halliburton, increased subsidized payments for whammen.

2. Compassionate conservativism means eschewing white self interest for white pathological altruism. Bring in more losers!

3. Purges. Elsewhere we talked about how cons purge people. We have the same problem here. A young MP in my province was ousted from his party because he claimed his in-town apartment on his expenses. He was actually ousted because he wanted a millennial-focused platform centered around increasing births and reducing immigration.

Blogger sammibandit March 04, 2019 3:48 PM  

May Day is a commie holiday wtf! And prior to that it was a pagan holiday.

Blogger PragmaticTroll March 04, 2019 4:02 PM  

@25 Please don't use my post to be a "smart boy".

Blogger tublecane March 04, 2019 4:03 PM  

@23- Someone I read referred to the sex issue as a "secret doctrine" of the Enlightenment. That they had the perversion of that relationship in mind all along, but they couldn't let society in on it before it was sufficiently debased.

Blogger BastionHarm March 04, 2019 4:16 PM  

Miguel wrote:Cucks are afraid of being called "anti-semites", so they tag the jews along for a ride most of them don't want.

Talmudic judaism says that the Lord JESUS is in Hell.

Christianity says that Jesus is the Creator God. How can anyone say that these two conflicting ideologies can serve the basis for any civilization?


I love the way I can go to any website that's frequented by boomer conservatives, quote the utterly repulsive views of Jesus and the Mother of God that are in the Babylonian Talmud, initially claim that that's what the Quran (!) says about Jesus and Mary...

...and the boomer-cons lap it up and immediately start hating on Muslims big-time!

Then, after about a half dozen of them take the fake bait, I do the switcheroo and say "Oops! Sorry! That's not from the Quran, that's from the Talmud!"

Suddenly, if the entire thread doesn't get deleted instantly by the mods, I find myself under attack with claims of being a "Nazi" and that those quotes are from Nazi websites, not from the Talmud, etc.

...and then the thread gets deleted!

Boomer-conservatives are NPCs too, and ultimately have the same (((programming))) as their left-wing counterparts.

Blogger Teleros March 04, 2019 4:23 PM  

OT, but Marvel/Disney are tripling down on Captain SJMarvel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYseCykWuY (2min video).

Briefly, it looks like they're getting cinemas to not show any other movies for that day.

Starting to wonder if a VFM is running the marketing department over there TBH...

Blogger Balkan Yankee March 04, 2019 4:24 PM  

A conservative is someone who has more to lose than the average leftist. This makes conservatives fundamentally defensive in mindset, which causes conservatives to concede the initiative to the left time after time.

Blogger tublecane March 04, 2019 4:26 PM  

@12- There is vast ignorance in our intellectual class, and unsurprisingly in the Stupid Party. It's not just a matter of denying the "propositions" of the American nation, nor merely not knowing what they were. They don't even know what a nation is, and I'm not sure they have a grasp on what Jeffersonian propositions are.

One thing they do grasp is unconsciously adopting opinions that their putative opposition dropped two seconds before and justifying them via spics and specs gathered from the remote past. Like a single line from a piece of political rhetoric from 1776.

I was reading Edgar Lee Master's biography of Lincoln recently, and Lincoln altered the entire meaning of the Founding firstly by pretending the Union was formed with the proclamation of Independence (or perhaps before), and also by distorting "all men are created equal" out of recognition. This despite the fact that Jefferson was his political enemy.

Not entirely sure what Master's politics were, but this book has a Copperhead perspective, and leans heavily against New England and Chicago for stoking war flames with irresponsible "propositions" about slavery, union, and so forth. He characterizes their outlook as Hebraic-Puritanism, which is amore interesting hyphenation than Judeo-Christian.

There was something of the "Hebraic-Puritan" spirit in America from the beginning. But Lincoln definitely destroyed the Republic by perverting the Founding. And he was supposed to have been conservative. Or at least changeable and weakly principled. Which is about the same.

Blogger Robert What? March 04, 2019 4:28 PM  

Weren't several of the Founding Fathers gay or trans?

Blogger Coyotewise March 04, 2019 4:50 PM  

'judeo-christian'
'gay marriage'
'nation of immigrants'
'debt-based wealth'
Empire of oxymorons

Blogger VD March 04, 2019 4:52 PM  

Weren't several of the Founding Fathers gay or trans?

They were all Black British, as it happens.

Blogger Crew March 04, 2019 5:45 PM  

I detect a pattern here:

Judeo-Christian Group Sues Michigan for 'Orwellian' Witch Hunt Based on SPLC Labels

Are the Learned Elders of Wye concerned that too many people have been saying There was no Judeo-Christ?

Blogger artensoll March 04, 2019 5:51 PM  

"They were all Black British, as it happens"

History is a whitewash - Dr Who.

Blogger pyrrhus March 04, 2019 5:55 PM  

Mark Steyn has some of the same problems...He claims Russia is a declining country, which is laughable, and is completely MIA on the JQ...Maybe he learned that skill at NRO...

Blogger pyrrhus March 04, 2019 5:56 PM  

@35 "History is bunk." Henry Ford

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 04, 2019 5:58 PM  

Still waiting for the Judeo-Christian position on the resurrection.

There’s an element of pre-emptive mirroring in Judeo-Christian in that it is a nonsense word that allows churchians to project their values in a ‘we’re all the same’ kind of way. Churchianity is the frame - distorting Christianity is what creates the fake values to project.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2019 6:02 PM  

America's Judeo-Islamic values and principles are non-negotiable you racists.

Blogger Crew March 04, 2019 6:09 PM  

What about the Judeo-Satanic principles they are trying to foist upon us?

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) March 04, 2019 6:25 PM  

Islamo-Hindu values are what made India successful.

Blogger Lauri Stark March 04, 2019 6:33 PM  

Satano-christian values.

Actually, there's a finnish group named "Azazels Star" which fits that description :D But then again, they are just a bunch of retards.

Blogger tublecane March 04, 2019 6:35 PM  

@41- I think you mean Islamo-Hindu-Buddhist-udeo-Anglican-Druidic-Sikh-Thugee-Baalist values.

Blogger Unknown March 04, 2019 6:42 PM  

Listen, bucko. My Nigerian friend had to memorize all the past Presidents in US history to earn his citizenship here. That makes him 10x more American than any of you whipper-snappers who were merely born here, except for my Mexican friend's anchor baby who is American by inalienable birthright - and don't you forget it!

Blogger SDH March 04, 2019 6:47 PM  

Saw the same odious phrase on a post at Ace’s blog.

One of the morons there said the Bible may be properly thought of as a Judaeo-Christian text

Blogger Mark Stoval March 04, 2019 7:00 PM  

"Why conservatives always lose"

Perhaps they are not really losing. Perhaps the game is going their way just as in "professional" wrestling. After the conservatives give a good show "losing" to the leftists, they all go have a drink at an expensive watering hole and laugh at the idiots who think is not a con job.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) March 04, 2019 7:02 PM  

Tell me about our common Talmudo-Christian values, (((fellow conservative)))

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 04, 2019 7:22 PM  

down for the day: reading summa elvetica b/c it's what's on the kindle.

v.v. entertaining. bought it for Tolkien fan, not for myself. good show, good show.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey March 04, 2019 7:26 PM  

Well, I came in today to be "onboarded" for a new job that I accepted.

What to wear???

I really, really wanted to wear a suit. I miss suits! But I know that is in the realm of "spectacularly over the top" these days. It's like showing up as Michael Keaton from Family Ties -- poor, deluded traditionalist!!!

So, I settled for wearing corduroys and a long sleeve and a nice tie. And yet that too went down as "over-the-top".

At the extreme risk of launching another round of (well-deserved) anti-Boomer tirades, I got to say this sucks and I place the blame on the Boomers for this 25+ year situation in which showing professionalism and class and competence has worked into becoming making yourself a freaking threat to co-workers and so forth.


Wear a damn suit when you need to. Insist that others do, too, when that is warranted. Roll up your sleeves, too, when you need to. Insist that others do, too, when that is warranted.

Be prepared to do both. Western Civilization is going down. Let's save that bitch!

Blogger Toris March 04, 2019 7:27 PM  

Wonder how Bahai refer to their values. "Our Judeo-Christian-Islamo-Bahai values!"

Blogger VFM #7634 March 04, 2019 7:51 PM  

"Islamo-Hindu values are what made India successful."

At least until 1947.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 04, 2019 8:05 PM  

Poz-Christian viral load.

Blogger Brett baker March 04, 2019 8:08 PM  

Ain't 2008 anymore. Russia is slowly going own the toilet. It might stop, but it's not the potential problem China is.

Blogger sammibandit March 04, 2019 8:41 PM  

@23- Someone I read referred to the sex issue as a "secret doctrine" of the Enlightenment. That they had the perversion of that relationship in mind all along, but they couldn't let society in on it before it was sufficiently debased.

I've heard that too, but I don't know that I want to research that. Esoteric research tends to upset me greatly. With that said, in the mythology of ~my people~ our patron god was known for sexual deviance to gain magic skills. Odin. He was a cross dresser. I suppose I'm trying to say by way of example that sodomy was related with magic in at least one place and time. I don't doubt that this idea had legs either. Odin was a traveller.

Blogger sammibandit March 04, 2019 8:46 PM  

There's no such thing as Islamo-Hindu. Indian muslims are Indian. Indian Christians are also Indian. Muslims and Hindus in India didn't get along and that's why the first Islamic state, Palistan, exists.

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Blogger John Hawkins March 04, 2019 8:55 PM  

Respectfully, a phrase that has been in use for almost a hundred years and essentially means exactly the same thing as Christian values to the general public seems like a weird thing to choke on out of a 1500 word column especially since Jews aren't a problem at all for America. No argument at all from me on how big of a factor immigration and immortality are for the country....

Blogger tz March 04, 2019 8:57 PM  

Shocked that Zmirak would actually write the following:

Either you think that America is a propositional nation, which could equally have prospered under the Declaration and Constitution if our whole population had been made up of Muslim Somali tribesmen. Or you don’t, which means that you want to purge the nation of non-whites and even non-Anglos. Or create some white separatist “homeland” in Idaho.

The "Propositional Nation" refers to this 2003(!) article

Pity I can't easily put Bach's Wachet Auf! as background music.

Blogger Lucas Evans March 04, 2019 8:57 PM  

Funny how everyone that uses the term "Judeo-Christian" has no idea what the Talmud is.

Blogger tz March 04, 2019 8:58 PM  

Somehow This link to Zmirak's article didn't work

Blogger tz March 04, 2019 8:59 PM  

The Turbid Talmuddying the waters, like Squid ink.

Blogger sammibandit March 04, 2019 9:00 PM  

Pakistan cannot be the first Islamic state, I just realized. It separated however to be one.

Blogger The Deuce March 04, 2019 9:37 PM  

John Hawkins wrote:Respectfully, a phrase that has been in use for almost a hundred years and essentially means exactly the same thing as Christian values to the general public seems like a weird thing to choke on out of a 1500 word column especially since Jews aren't a problem at all for America. No argument at all from me on how big of a factor immigration and immortality are for the country....

Well, some are, some aren't. Don't you think it's odd how the NeverTrump contingent of conservatism is something like 90% Jewish? Jonah Goldberg, Max Boot, Bret Stephens, Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, Jon Podheretz, and so on? Why do you think that is? Why is that particular group of conservatives so intransigently against Trump despite him turning out to be quite a bit more conservative in practice than Bush, who the same neocons adored? In fact, it seems like the more Trump makes real, conservative progress, the MORE they hate him and abandon everything they once claimed to support.

Obviously, there are exceptions (eg Mark Levin, though he was against Trump initialize, and Mike Savage, etc), but there is clearly some reason those guys hate Trump that is tied to their Jewishness.

Let me take a stab at it: Trump represents a resurgence of nationalism and national self-determination and a cooling attitude to mass immigration of foreign cultures. And as they perceive themselves as an "outsider" group that's not within the mainstream culture of the nation, they automatically balk at a reawakening of national spirit as a loss of power and threat to their own group interests. They're engaging in the exact same ethnic-based identity-politic voting that black people, latinos, etc do, even as they claim to oppose "tribalism."

Blogger papabear March 04, 2019 10:05 PM  

@59 Are you for real?

Blogger Dave Dave March 04, 2019 11:49 PM  

Christ was not Jewish

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 05, 2019 12:09 AM  

@John Hawkins,

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Judaism rejected Christ? What values could they possibly share.

I like the use of the phrase, it lets me know who takes the words of Jesus seriously when He warned us against the teachings of the Pharisees. The traditions that make the word of God of no effect. "No big deal" speaks volumes.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 05, 2019 12:12 AM  

Christ is a body. Jesus, the Head of that body is a High Priest after the order of Melchezidek who Abraham tithed to after the slaughter of the Kings.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 05, 2019 12:21 AM  

John Hawkins wrote:Respectfully, a phrase that has been in use for almost a hundred years and essentially means exactly the same thing as Christian values to the general public seems like a weird thing to choke on out of a 1500 word column especially since Jews aren't a problem at all for America. No argument at all from me on how big of a factor immigration and immortality are for the country....
It seems weird to you because you have accepted the lie that is its underlying premise. As an exercise, can you identify that false premise?

In actual practice "Judaeo-Christian values" means Jewish values, like divorce, abortion transgenderism, homosexuality, lying, cheating, nepotism, and hatred of Christ.

Blogger Birdman March 05, 2019 1:03 AM  


Reddit?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 05, 2019 8:01 AM  

Conservatives are a product represented by salesmen, and conservatives are always for sale. And conservatives as hapless as can be no matter their IQs never seek to actually negotiate a higher price.

We need as Cataline has written another version of the Black Death.

Blogger mike March 05, 2019 11:24 AM  

So what you are saying VD is that Christianity comes from God not from Jews.

Blogger DonReynolds March 05, 2019 2:03 PM  

Conservatives lose for the same reason the Left will ultimately lose also...because of their own internal contradictions. They both slobber and talk out both sides of their mouth. They both insist on facts that simply are not true. They both insist on values that conflict with their other values. They both have goals that are impossible to achieve in the real world. They both turn a blind eye to those contradictions when their nose is rubbed in it publicly. That is why they will both fail in the end, no matter who their friends might be. No matter what flag they wrap themselves in and no matter how they dress themselves. They are both a dying breed.

Blogger Unknown March 05, 2019 3:08 PM  

I always thought May Day was THE call for help!

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