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Saturday, April 27, 2019

Identity persists

Regardless of who is in charge, as the mixed-race population of South Africa have discovered.
"It is all about the blacks. The 'Rainbow Nation' is a big lie!" complained Dalene Raiters, a South African mother from the "Coloured" community.

"We are not black enough," added her sister who has also been unemployed for years. "We are not part of this country. We were marginalised during the apartheid and even now," lamented Dalene, getting into her stride about the discrimination of which she insists she is a victim.

"Our people live like mushrooms. Four generations under the same roof," said Elizabeth Raiters, seated in the living room of the family home in the majority "Coloured" township of Eldorado Park, an outlying suburb of Johannesburg.

In total, nine people -- soon to be 10 with a baby due -- live in the property, which has a small bedroom and a hut in the yard.

Elizabeth applied for social housing to ease the squeeze -- but that was 17 years ago, and failed. She is convinced it is because of the colour of her skin.

Apartheid legally divided South Africans into groups of whites, blacks, Indians and "Coloured," a term meaning people deemed to be of mixed race.

The remnants of system were swept away a quarter-century ago, and today the notion of race remains as discredited as is segregation. Yet the term "Coloured" is still widely used today -- and complaints of exclusion are common.
This description of the fate of mixed-race people in post-apartheid South Africa should be informative for all the "what about meeeeee" readers who want to know how things are likely to go for their various mixed-race friends and family members in a post-USA scenario.

When identity and law conflict, identity reliably wins in the end.

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Blogger John Best. April 27, 2019 8:21 AM  

Always interesting how the groups which are not part of the nation or any nation look to the state to protect them and give them things. Another reason why the globalist state looks to race mixing to get more people dependent on state and democide the nations.

Blogger CM April 27, 2019 8:22 AM  

How is it that 10 people can live under the same roof and they can't afford to at least build a proper home?

If my entire family lived under one roof, we would have 6 pulling in around 400-500k salary (at least) for around 13 people and we'd have 3-4 capable of educating the wee ones and keeping the household managed and clean. We would have 2 adults that are essentially dead weights.

Honestly, that sounds like a dream...

Is there some lack of natural resources or regulations preventing them from expanding?

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2019 8:26 AM  

Well there is a reason for that, which is that identity is predictive.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd April 27, 2019 8:27 AM  

Pointing out that Rome had a very heterogeneous population of about a million during the Roman Empire, but after the fall of Rome dipped as low as 50,000 in the middle ages, all Italians, and then asking "what happened to all the diversity?" Is usually pretty effective at getting the point across..,

Blogger yoghi.llama April 27, 2019 8:29 AM  

Cape Coloureds and Griquas aren't mixed race in the Trevor Noah sense. They're descended from early Afrikaner settlers, aboriginal Khoisan, and Malaysian Muslim slaves. Very little Bantu-Nguni Black in them.

They have been an ethnic group of their own for hundreds of years, spoke Afrikaans, always voted overwhelmingly conservative, and aspired to emulate Whites, until MTV convinced a few of them to act more ghetto and quote Malcolm X.

The posh/intellectual ones can obsess over the details of their distant European ancestry.

Their hatred of Blacks has always been deep and pure, but maybe they will become more willing to talk about it again now.

I only recently learned that "Xhosa" is Khoisan for "angry man". Which is funny because St Nelson was a Xhosa prince.

Blogger Harambe April 27, 2019 8:48 AM  

You didn't include the final two paragraphs, which will cause heads to explode:

""We were much more comfortable during the apartheid. They would provide us a school pack with all the stationery. We had nurses in the schools. There was order and discipline. If you set a place alight, you would end up in jail.

"The apartheid government used to look after education, health, housing. (This) government does not look after us. I prefer apartheid.""

Blogger Yordan Yordanov April 27, 2019 8:57 AM  

I don't know if you're advocating a plan here, but if I were of mixed race, I'd get "Vote Democrat, weaken the native majority to the point where when the fighting starts no single group is strong enough to instantly overcome the "mixed" stock".

Blogger wreckage April 27, 2019 9:05 AM  

I wondered about the article's cynical tone "complained... discrimination of which she insists she is a victim ... convinced it is because...."
But then I got to this bit: "today the notion of race remains as discredited as is segregation"

So, the journalist can't admit that there's a problem, because that would imply that race is real, if only as a reliable social dynamic. Since there is no race, and the Evil White Man isn't there being Evil anymore, there can't be any discrimination. There certainly can't be discrimination that shows racial preferences are not part of a system, but part of human nature.

So in the end, it's preferable these people suffer, rather than admit that race is significant to human group behaviour.

Blogger Ste April 27, 2019 9:13 AM  

And this is likely the best scenario for them honestly. As that research paper you posted said, during war every ethnic group will shoot them.

Blogger marco moltisanti April 27, 2019 10:00 AM  

@2 "How is it that 10 people can live under the same roof and they can't afford to at least build a proper home?"

Most of the world lives this way. Even if most of the 10 people are willing to work (which is very much not a given) in most countries jobs are exceedingly scarce and pay next to nothing. Ten hours or more of back breaking labor in the fields under the hot sun in Honduras will net you less than $10 US, and even that kind of work isn't always easy to get. I'd likely choose being a drunken layabout too if that were my best prospect for employment.

Blogger Crew April 27, 2019 10:01 AM  

Once you go black you can never get back to civilization!

Blogger wreckage April 27, 2019 10:05 AM  

@7, no. Look at every major conflict. The identity-compromised are killed first. Extreme minorities, those that cannot expect to hold power in their own right, are almost always best served by stability and a strong national identity.

Sadly, not all of them realize this until it's too late, and some people seem incapable of learning from history, instead pulling down doom on themselves and their kin.

Blogger Alexamenos April 27, 2019 10:20 AM  

This a great bit of doublethink:

"The remnants of system were swept away a quarter-century ago, and today the notion of race remains as discredited as is segregation. Yet the term "Coloured" is still widely used today -- and complaints of exclusion are common."

1st sentence: Notions of race and segregation are discredited and swept away long ago.

2nd sentence: ummm....notions of race and segregation are very common.

Blogger Wishing Star April 27, 2019 10:51 AM  

Vox, you have now sent me down a rabbit hole. This post encouraged type in South African colored in Youtube & see these people. These people can pass for African Americans. The neighborhood of the interview looked like one I grew up in, here in the states.

Blogger Latigo3 April 27, 2019 10:51 AM  

Yeah, this is what I figured would happen. People think they or their kids are special because of their mixed color or heritage? All it means is that neither race accepts you fully, so suck it up and stop crying about it.

I have given the questions of the mixed races some thought, as living in LA there are a lot of them. I have told people that what is happening here is not the norm and eventually people will stick with the groups that they have the most in common with.
This is what all people need to hear: Life is like that, don't sit their and complain or cry about it, life isn't fair, life sucks sometimes, not everyone will like or accept you, so go out make it happen.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov April 27, 2019 10:57 AM  

@12

Most ethnic groups from the past have gone extinct one way or another. There are no Thracians today, nor is there any of whatever the fuck lived to the East of Germany after the Slavic people came. The tree of Mankind is filled with dead branches.

If I were mixed, I'd think that what constitutes "my people" would be other of mixed ancestry and if the American (or European) whites are not going to do anything to maintain a relatively safe, homogenous order, then the only conclusion I could reach is to consolidate with "my team" and play for my team, against everyone else.

Blogger Miguel April 27, 2019 11:04 AM  

Great point, John.

Blogger pyrrhus April 27, 2019 11:06 AM  

When Gandhi worked as an attorney in South Africa representing the "oppressed" minorities, he made it clear that he only represented the Indian minority, not the blacks....

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 27, 2019 11:26 AM  

wreckage wrote:So, the journalist can't admit that there's a problem, because that would imply that race is real, if only as a reliable social dynamic. Since there is no race, and the Evil White Man isn't there being Evil anymore, there can't be any discrimination. There certainly can't be discrimination that shows racial preferences are not part of a system, but part of human nature.

All they do is just move the goalpost. Since self-rule didn't eliminate "colorism," white people have to be eliminated within South Africa. When that fails, whiles will have to be eliminated from global governance etc until there are no more white people to blame.
Alexamenos wrote:1st sentence: Notions of race and segregation are discredited and swept away long ago.

2nd sentence: ummm....notions of race and segregation are very common.

The unwritten third line is that the presence of white people causes that. "Colorism" is caused by white people.

Wishing Star wrote:. These people can pass for African Americans. The neighborhood of the interview looked like one I grew up in, here in the states.

Perfect example of how race is real. Same dysfunction 1/2 a world away. They are more or less indistinguishable from African Americans. Same blood/DNA, same dysfunctional people.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 27, 2019 11:38 AM  

today the notion of race remains as discredited as is segregation

Amazing that they can put that in an article that just spent several paragraphs proving the opposite.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 27, 2019 11:43 AM  

These people can pass for African Americans.

That's the ironic thing. The previous white government split off part-blacks to make the black majority smaller, whereas in America, blacks are a small enough group that we could afford to enforce a one-drop rule. You'd think the current black government would go for one-drop now to keep the Coloreds on their side, but I guess they're now seen as non-black by now, unlike here.

Blogger Crew April 27, 2019 12:05 PM  

And here in the US they are preparing the ground for violence against Christians!

https://www.thecollegefix.com/keynote-speaker-at-harvard-diversity-conference-says-christians-should-be-locked-up/

Blogger Noah B. April 27, 2019 12:13 PM  

This may seem off topic but it is related: feral cats are being exterminated in Australia.

These four legged invaders are detrimental to the native fauna, and the justification is beautifully simple: "I think there is a general feeling that something has to be done."

Blogger David Ray Milton April 27, 2019 12:19 PM  

Mixed race people truly have it the worst as they are a minority/outsider to both of their parents’ communities.

I remember my mom telling me something when I was twelve after I heard some pro-diversity propaganda at school. She said, “If someday you want to marry a black girl, I can accept that, but just never have children. They will never have a home anywhere.” I was so mad at her at the time because I thought she was being “racist,” but now I see how wise she was.

Blogger Harambe April 27, 2019 12:40 PM  

Wishing Star wrote:Vox, you have now sent me down a rabbit hole. This post encouraged type in South African colored in Youtube & see these people. These people can pass for African Americans. The neighborhood of the interview looked like one I grew up in, here in the states.

That's pretty much spot on. The Cape Coloureds are more akin to your notion of "black" or African-American than the actual black tribes here in South Africa. I am fortunate to have landed up in Cape Town in the Western Cape Province which is unique in that it is the only province in the country that does not have an outright black majority population. The black people are around 45% of the population, while the White and Coloured population are at around 25% each give or take and the odd Chinese and Indian make up the rest. And it shows. Because we have much less drama here than everywhere else in the country. Also we're the only province not governed by the ANC. Which means at least some of our local taxes end up fixing broken infrastructure or erecting vanity projects like big-ass libraries in poor areas.

Blogger DonReynolds April 27, 2019 12:45 PM  

It makes my head spin anytime Leftists or blacks or hispanics or muslims or the LGBTQ crowd talk about democracy...or even mention the word.

Negroes in the USA are 12.6 percent of the population. What does democracy mean to them? It means they get nothing of what they want. No matter how many different ways it is sliced and diced, democracy means Majority Rule.

Indians in South Afrika have already found out what democracy means in a country where the overwhelming majority is black. Under white rule, the Indians had some influence and representation in the government, and they were allowed to engage in trade and make money. They were also assured that the courts and police would treat them fairly and with dignity. They certainly did not run the country but they had a voice and they were treated fairly and with dignity. That is no longer the case.

Blogger Lurker April 27, 2019 12:58 PM  

"If the American (or European) whites are not going to do anything to maintain a relatively safe, homogenous order...

"If"!? They aren't especially the leftist/ globalist strain. It is amusing watching the white Judas set within the white race. Talk about Charlie Brown's football, but hey they have the right skin color to pull it off perfectly.

"Then the only conclusion I could reach is to consolidate with "my team" and play for my team, against everyone else."

Or just be a lone wolf.

Blogger Gen. Kong April 27, 2019 1:32 PM  

And here in the US they are preparing the ground for violence against Christians!

It's definitely coming. The (((usual suspects))) are already openly advocating (more) violence against whites on network TV (CBS) as seen here. The Boomertard bong-dreams of civic nationalists, exemplified in the q-anon 8-chan threads, about negroes turning against their (((actual owners))) is utter nonsense. The truly appalling thing is the amount of virtue-signaling seen from victim families. They will literally celebrate the slaughter of their own children as an sin offering to their diversity-diety.

Anonymous Anonymous April 27, 2019 3:35 PM  

CM wrote:Is there some lack of natural resources or regulations preventing them from expanding?

You're not new around here. You know damned well what's holding them back. They are who they are. They're sitting around waiting for whitey to provide.

Blogger Cloudbuster April 27, 2019 4:02 PM  

today the notion of race remains as discredited as is segregation.

Hahahahahahaha!

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 27, 2019 4:03 PM  

Now let's take into consideration that in the USA, what we call "black" actually ranges from "crispy" - which is from their vernacular not mine - all the way to "tell your white boyfriend your grandmother was Sicilian".

It won't be "black versus white" in such black and white aspects.

Blogger Wishing Star April 27, 2019 5:30 PM  

Harambe wrote:Wishing Star wrote:

That's pretty much spot on. The Cape Coloureds are more akin to your notion of "black" or African-American than the actual black tribes here in South Africa. I am fortunate to have landed up in Cape Town in the Western Cape Province which is unique in that it is the only province in the country that does not have an outright black majority population. The black people are around 45% of the population, while the White and Coloured population are at around 25% each give or take and the odd Chinese and Indian make up the rest. And it shows. Because we have much less drama here than everywhere else in the country. Also we're the only province not governed by the ANC. Which means at least some of our local taxes end up fixing broken infrastructure or erecting vanity projects like big-ass libraries in poor areas.


This is good to know. One of these years, I'm going to visit Africa. I'll definitely have to place your district in my pool of places to visit. I plan to dig deeper into Colored communities.

Blogger SirHamster April 27, 2019 6:27 PM  

Crew wrote:And here in the US they are preparing the ground for violence against Christians!

https://www.thecollegefix.com/keynote-speaker-at-harvard-diversity-conference-says-christians-should-be-locked-up/


Keynote speaker Tim Wise. Wanna guess what his identity is?

From the article: "The author of “White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son” and “Dear White America: Letter to a New Minority” instead emphasized his own wokeness."

Answer available on IG article.

Blogger God Emperor Memes April 27, 2019 6:29 PM  

To put it simply: South Africa is fucked.

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2019 6:33 PM  

marco moltisanti wrote:Ten hours or more of back breaking labor in the fields under the hot sun in Honduras will net you less than $10 US, and even that kind of work isn't always easy to get. I'd likely choose being a drunken layabout too if that were my best prospect for employment.

I tried to picture that, and concluded that I'd be the guy cuffing you on the head for disrespect while handing you money for beer.

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2019 6:43 PM  

David Ray Milton wrote:Mixed race people truly have it the worst as they are a minority/outsider to both of their parents’ communities.

Truth. I had a black girlfriend in college, and still regret how things turned out. But at the same time, as an RPG nerd, I know how hard things are for half-elves, let alone half-orcs.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) April 27, 2019 7:03 PM  

People think Vox is being harsh with these kinds of statements, but what-about-meeees who read this and plan accordingly will be spared a very difficult situation when the shit hits the fan. Unlike those who are lulled to sleep by syrupy leftist lies, who will be in for a very rude awakening.

Blogger Dave Dave April 27, 2019 8:10 PM  

Yes, there is heavy discrimination in the legislation against non blacks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 27, 2019 8:25 PM  

I'm a whataboutmeee, and I saw this coming a long time ago, and moved to a Whitopia in which my family is a pleasant novelty rather than part of the horde. I didn't move as far as Vox, but things are likely to stay peaceful here.

I don't know how it will turn out, but I've done what I can, and did it early, perhaps early enough.

Blogger Doug Cranmer April 27, 2019 8:25 PM  

An interesting insider view on India. It has a pretty honest appraisal of the consequences of low IQ and low trust.

Essentially it's, "Nothing Works in India."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-27/decline-india

Blogger John Rockwell April 28, 2019 4:03 AM  

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Blogger John Rockwell April 28, 2019 4:08 AM  

I think God will curse South Africa for its sins. If they go ahead with their genocidal policies it will result in God's wrath on them.

The blood of the innocent is on their heads.

Blogger SciVo April 28, 2019 5:27 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:I'm a whataboutmeee, and I saw this coming a long time ago, and moved to a Whitopia in which my family is a pleasant novelty rather than part of the horde.

That is very very smart, especially if your facial structure is like your neighbors and so is your accent. But even if it isn't, better to be different from everyone than like unpleasant people.

Blogger John Rockwell April 28, 2019 7:22 AM  

''I remember my mom telling me something when I was twelve after I heard some pro-diversity propaganda at school. She said, “If someday you want to marry a black girl, I can accept that, but just never have children. They will never have a home anywhere.”

As far as I am concerned their options are. Siding with the Boers. Fleeing the country or become their own group.

Mixed groups that survive are those that successfully become their own ethnic group or find common cause of others of different ethnicity with the same religion.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira April 28, 2019 8:13 AM  

100% Med-ape. What about me? I'll see you all on a beach somewhere, God willing.

Blogger FrankNorman April 28, 2019 8:20 AM  


As far as I am concerned their options are. Siding with the Boers. Fleeing the country or become their own group


They are their own group. And as for siding with the Boers, they would eagerly do that, as long as it was reciprocated.
Most of the Cape Coloured families have Afrikaans as their mother-tongue.

Blogger kmbr April 28, 2019 11:38 AM  

There was order and discipline. If you set a place alight, you would end up in jail.

Imagine? What progress in the rainbow nation, you can set places alight without concern.

Smart POC would know it's better to be marginalized in a functioning, white society than to have any status in a place like South Africa.

Blogger J.M. April 28, 2019 12:39 PM  

Yordan Yordanov wrote:Most ethnic groups from the past have gone extinct one way or another. There are no Thracians today, nor is there any of whatever the fuck lived to the East of Germany after the Slavic people came. The tree of Mankind is filled with dead branches.

If I were mixed, I'd think that what constitutes "my people" would be other of mixed ancestry and if the American (or European) whites are not going to do anything to maintain a relatively safe, homogenous order, then the only conclusion I could reach is to consolidate with "my team" and play for my team, against everyone else.


Exactly. The coloureds must learn they are now their own people, if they are to survive. If they stick together, in time their features will likely stabilize and They, as a people, will become a distinct group in their own right, just like those in Hispanic America. In the short term their best bet is to team up with the Boers and strive to have a separate country from the blacks. That is if they don't want to become a cannibals menu appetizer...

Blogger Jandolin April 28, 2019 1:05 PM  

Important news ignored deliberately by the Western press.

South Africa’s economic & social decline the worst of nations not at war

https://www.rt.com/business/456816-south-africa-worst-decline/

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