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Friday, May 10, 2019

The End of the Boomer Age

The time of the Boomers is drawing to a close. The question now is how long any of the nations they inhabited survive them.
The Boomer Age is drawing to its close.  When one speaks of this group, it tends to mostly focus on white Boomers (not that others are outside the group, but to such a great extent, it really does mean those of mostly European background, if for no other reason than they have been the largest demographic group).  When that age does end, we will see an ever-dwindling European demographic majority in many Western nations (Canada and the USA are almost certainly the first, soon followed by a variety of European nations).  That significant point of majority will be fading, as the numbers precipitously drop until below 50%.  The question looming then is, what is next?  Will it be the glorious Brave New World of harmonious multiculturalism or an uneasy balkanization that trends ever more to tribalism and violence?  Based on existing evidence and studies, I believe that it will be closer to the latter.

A major demographic shift is impacting most Western nations, some more than others.  This shift will lead to a far more multicultural/ethnic scenario, with those of European background as the minority within the next few decades.  At first blush, many will say this is not a problem, holding out the wonders of civic nationalism and existing relative stability and prosperity with an already highly mixed demographic.  The problem here is that this position doesn't really hold water in the long term, as can be demonstrated by existing nations who have not been able to sustain a similar state of peaceful existence and by studies that point in the same direction.
While one can't blame the Boomers for the mass invasions that began in the 60s, one can certainly blame them for aiding, abetting, and celebrating them. And when they smugly point out that the shattered demographics of the West will not be their problem, all we can say is that at least they won't be around to interfere with their successors who have taken on the task of solving it.

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137 Comments:

Blogger Thanks, J. May 10, 2019 7:17 AM  

Boomers really do say, "I won't be around to see it" or some variation of that. Sometimes, "glad I wont have to deal that". "Not my problem, I'll be dead". Lmao, I've heard 'em all. What an indictment. That ME Generation's legacy! Never. Forget.

Blogger Alcuin May 10, 2019 7:19 AM  

The Boomers were kids when the Greatest Generation foisted its demographic revolution on them in 1965. But as adults they acquiesced in it, benefited from the economic growth it fostered, and built the cultural, legal, and political infrastructure to defend it. The result is a massive destruction of social capital which many celebrate, believing that new social capital is replacing it.

Blogger The Cooler May 10, 2019 7:32 AM  

the Judeo-Christian-Hellenic-Roman heritage.

^ From the comments at the article.

Lord God, please give Ben Shapiro a fatal aneurysm.

Blogger Richard Holmes May 10, 2019 7:35 AM  

End of the Boomer age... Yes, it is coming fast. It's a shame this generation did what we did. We created problems. What problems we didn't create, well we kicked the can down the road. But there is still some Boomers that aren't that old. The youngest of them is 53 or 54. That can still be a lot of political career for them.

And as for them not interfering with their successors solving this mess, They will have the millennials for that.

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 10, 2019 7:39 AM  

“all we can say is that at least they won't be around to interfere with their successors who have taken on the task of solving it.”

Hear hear. I’m planning on surviving. Not having boomers scream MLK quotes in my face while I defend my children will be infinitely helpful.

Blogger The Contrarian May 10, 2019 8:30 AM  

Cue the (((wizards))) with their magic spells, or do the spells not work on non-Europeans?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2019 8:31 AM  

A disability to see the logical consequences of policy, due to blindness induced by Cargo Cult beliefs and fueled smug self-satisfaction.

If few people today can see the obvious follow-on pain of personal actions (hedonism, improvidence, "virtue"-signaling, etc.), how on Earth were they likely to see the equally-obvious follow-on pain of public policies?

Tail-end boomer here. My life is defined by the Gary Larsen "Lemmings" Far Side cartoon, me the little guy wearing the life ring.

Nothing sets up failure like success. The last 50 years are surely the most collectively deluded in recorded history.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 10, 2019 8:41 AM  

387 comments on that article, since my lame ass computer would not load them I will assume it is the usual CivNat spectrum from kindly fatherly if our invaders "assimilate" all will be well to the usual Boomercon "I got gunz" an omnipotent talisman of CivNattery.

You know what cures CivNattery? Actually meeting Diversity. But instead of going forth to meet the Diversity the usual CivNat Boomercon, including those two authors who used to post here, the Boomers lecture the captive audience of conservatives on the conservatives' disbelief.

Blogger buzzardist May 10, 2019 8:45 AM  

The Boomers were right, in a sense, to rebel against the hypocrisy and phoniness of their parents. The "Greatest" Generation, as it later tried to characterize itself, made some horrible decisions. The Boomers' mistake was rebelling, for the most part, in entirely the wrong direction. On almost every cultural front, when faced with the inconsistencies between ideology and practice that they inherited, the Boomers rejected the historically stable ground on which culture was built in favor of increasingly radical, progressive, anti-cultural, anti-Western ideas.

Yeah, there was an evangelical counter-movement among Boomers that tried to reject the theological wishy-washiness of their parents, while taking firmly conservative stances in the culture wars, but they lost every battle. Only a small fraction of that rebellion against mainstream denominations aimed at restoring a biblically sound, vital body of Christ. Too much of it drifted into touchy-feely pop religion that was more Tony Robbins self-help than it was Jesus Christ. Half the time, they were kicking own goals. When faced with "but God made me this way" arguments from gays, conservative evangelicals pushed through a few state laws banning gay marriage, which handed liberals the legal springboard they needed to legalize gay marriage via the courts. When faced with the corruption of schools, conservative evangelicals waved a few warning flags, with some pulling their kids out of schools in favor of home-schooling or private Christian schools, but their unwillingness to condemn and drive out evil ultimately allowed the corruption to become more entrenched. Boomers did nothing to stem the destruction of cultural institution after cultural institution. It was a counter-rebellion with a net-negative effect.

Blogger VD May 10, 2019 9:07 AM  

The Boomers were right, in a sense, to rebel against the hypocrisy and phoniness of their parents.

No, they were not. "Hypocrisy" and "phoniness" are another way to say "standards that elevate human behavior." The only individuals who are not hypocrites in one way or another are those with no standards at all.

Blogger Ant_B May 10, 2019 9:14 AM  

Shapiro can't handle a proper interrogation. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/full-interview-ben-shapiro-vs-andrew-neil/

Blogger KG May 10, 2019 9:20 AM  

“Your generation is just jealous of ours” ours being boomers, as was told to me by a boomer. No, I don’t consider being a massive disappointment that was too self-absorbed to continue their cultural and genetic lineage to be traits worthy of envy. But, if it were possible to explain what responsibility and forethought were to a boomer, they wouldn’t be the most despised generation in American history.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 10, 2019 9:34 AM  

VD wrote:"Hypocrisy" and "phoniness" are another way to say "standards that elevate human behavior." The only individuals who are not hypocrites in one way or another are those with no standards at all.

Funny, the Lord Jesus Christ condemned hypocrites and hypocrisy quite often.

Only a man with low character and suspect morals claims hypocrisy is a virtue. But really, he isn't much of a man.

Blogger wreckage May 10, 2019 9:37 AM  

Interesting times, then. Interesting times.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman May 10, 2019 9:48 AM  

"The only individuals who are not hypocrites in one way or another are those with no standards at all."

Reminds me of the arguments made by those "spiritual but not religious" types wo refuse to attend a biblically based Christian church because " they're all filled with hypocrites". And then they proceed to give an example of some Christian they once knew that was a regular church goer and did some bad thing.
The reality is the Word of God is the best antidote for our innate hypocrisy.

Blogger VD May 10, 2019 9:53 AM  

Only a man with low character and suspect morals claims hypocrisy is a virtue.

Hypocrisy is not a virtue. But only a man with no standards claims hypocrisy is the worst vice of all.

Blogger Mister Excitement May 10, 2019 10:03 AM  

From just a few days ago at Boomer Conservative site FreeRepublic.com responding to Nikki Haley saying "Immigration Makes Us Great"


“LEGAL” Immigration makes us great, if done correctly."

"Agreed."

"Americans make America great. It’s a privilege to be one, and becoming one should be done legally, be difficult, and require vetting to exclude those who don’t want to assimilate into American society."

"I have no problem with legal immigration and the people who follow the rules. I have a problem with illegal aliens—they are criminals and need to be treated as such."

"Legal imigration makes us great. Invasion immigration eliminates us!"

"It made us great. Because, people were coming here to prosper, not to loot and pillage the prosperity."


It goes on and on like this with the CivNattery. BoomerCons are completely unable to break free from the CivNat propaganda.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3748147/posts

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 10, 2019 10:05 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:VD wrote:"Hypocrisy" and "phoniness" are another way to say "standards that elevate human behavior." The only individuals who are not hypocrites in one way or another are those with no standards at all.

Funny, the Lord Jesus Christ condemned hypocrites and hypocrisy quite often.

Only a man with low character and suspect morals claims hypocrisy is a virtue. But really, he isn't much of a man.


Wow that was an incredibly stupid statement.

Spoken like a true non-believer trying to lecture us on our own theology.

Blogger ZhukovG May 10, 2019 10:09 AM  

We GenX folks should, with our right hand, lift up the Millennials and Z's. With our left hand, we should casually unplug the Boomers life support.

Blogger xevious2030 May 10, 2019 10:12 AM  

@9 (BD) “The Boomers were right, in a sense, to rebel against the hypocrisy and phoniness of their parents.”

They rebelled against one phoniness and replaced it with their own. They did not rebel to bring Truth, but rebelled against Truth. They bought into the lies perpetrated by the father of lies. Same as I did as an X-er for quite a while. There’s no excuse for it. It was wrong, and it has to be recognized as such. “You” either recognize you were wrong and correct yourself, or you continue being a PoS destroying the civilization around you. We build the world around us, we tear it down, there is no one else to blame. We do the work of good, or we do the work of evil, big picture. And yes, this is a rather binary presentation, but as a matter of point. That point is, God gives the Holy Spirit, and He is listened to, or not. That’s the whole point of no longer being under a schoolmaster. You either listen to the TV and your friends and the world, or you listen to the little influence telling you that this is stupid.

And I do not tell you this as a chastisement buzzardist, but as a lesson it tool me a long assed time to learn.

Blogger ErotemeObelus May 10, 2019 10:12 AM  

"Hypocrisy" and "phoniness" are another way to say "standards that elevate human behavior." The only individuals who are not hypocrites in one way or another are those with no standards at all.

Hypocrisy is not holding yourself to high standards but falling short. Hypocrisy is pretending to believe something you actually don't. Did you believe when Jesus Christ accused the pharisees of hypocrisy that he was illustrating-by-example how all humans are frail and fall short of the glory of God? He wasn't. He was accusing them of pretending to care about the Law of Moses when they actually hated it.

Phoniness is not preemptively acting as a fine gentleman in order to become a fine gentleman. Phoniness is passing your free will to some external rule. Phoniness looks at the two contradictory dictums society poses:

1. Conform or suffer severe consequences.
2. Make your own decisions.

...and seeks to resolve it by passing decision-making to an external authority figure.

Blogger Steve Samson May 10, 2019 10:12 AM  

My mother says things like this all the time.

Blogger BastionHarm May 10, 2019 10:20 AM  

Thanks, J. wrote:Boomers really do say, "I won't be around to see it" or some variation of that. Sometimes, "glad I wont have to deal that". "Not my problem, I'll be dead". Lmao, I've heard 'em all. What an indictment. That ME Generation's legacy! Never. Forget.

My mother, and many of her friends in her retirement community, have been saying exactly these things for the past 20 years. And they all display the same selfish "I got mine" attitude as the Boomers, though they were in the generation who gave birth to the Boomers (they are all born in the first half of the 1930s).

Though I definitely have no problems casting aspersions on Boomers, this goes back before the Boomers, I think.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 10:33 AM  

"Only a man with low character and suspect morals claims hypocrisy is a virtue."

There is only kind of person that can honestly claim no hypocrisy; a psychopath.

Blogger d May 10, 2019 10:37 AM  

Segregating the generations to pit them against each other is the Boomers' brainwork, ironically. Doing so distracts from the systemic nature of civilizational degeneracy, implying its merely the effect of personal problems, which is idiotic. Then again, I'm presuming a reconstitution of our formerly pinnacle civilization is the goal of this ilk, which may too be idiotic.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 10, 2019 10:42 AM  

The definition of hypocrisy has been stretched to mean any time a person encourages better behavior than his own, and it was elevated to among the greatest vices by people who wanted no standards at all. Enter the Boomers who wouldn't teach their kids to avoid repeating their own mistakes like drug use and casual sex because they didn't want to be hypocrites. Many things called hypocrisy today are simply the dichotomy between public and private behavior that is required in a healthy society made up of imperfect people.

the Judeo-Christian-Hellenic-Roman heritage

One of these things is not like the others.

Blogger Alexamenos May 10, 2019 10:50 AM  

From the comments at American Thinker:

"Nice article it got me thinking, thank you. Let's treat each other with civility and respect no matter if you're white or black, a member of the so-called majority, or the so-called minority because the alternative is unthinkable."

Summoning Rodney King is a very common boomer take -- 'why can't we all just get along?'

Was it the lead paint or were boomers just not bullied enough as children?

Blogger kurt9 May 10, 2019 10:53 AM  

Brazil is the most likely analog for what the U.S. becomes. Racial tension will increase and society will stratify along racial lines. This will suck, yes. But I do not expect the genocides of Africa or even anything like the Balkans in the early 90's.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 10:56 AM  

"We GenX folks should, with our right hand, lift up the Millennials and Z's. "

Millennials are a waste. They were raised by boomers to be have all the worst traits of boomers. The only saving grace is that they aren't breeding.

Blogger buzzardist May 10, 2019 11:02 AM  

@10 It's not a hypocrisy of having standards and failing to meet them, but one of acting outwardly as if there were standards when there are none. You're right--hypocrisy presupposes that standards exist. What would better describe a reversal of that? Boomer parents were a house without a foundation, acting outwardly in a civilized, American, Christian manner, but the pan-European melting pot of the previous couple generations had already eroded any meaningful standards or identities.

Boomers, seeing a house without a foundation, simply chose to let the house fall. The Boomer rebellion, if "rebellion" is the right word for it, was to embrace outwardly what their parents were inwardly. The amorality, lack of identity, and everything else was flaunted instead of kept hidden.

Blogger David Ray Milton May 10, 2019 11:07 AM  

I’ve never understood the “Millenials are self-centered and entitled” meme. Miseducated? Sure. Sensitive? Of course. Vain? You bet. Lacking the moral courage to do what’s right? Yeah, I even might go that far.

But the first generation to grow up without a father, in a stagnant economy, and raised to be nihilists hardly qualifies as “entitled” just because we had a damn iPhone.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 11:12 AM  

It's not like Greeks hated and hate dealing with Jews or anything. Nope, not at all like that.

Blogger P Glenrothes May 10, 2019 11:18 AM  

The deep state takeover shifted into high gear with the assassination of JFK in 1963. The deep state loves it when people point their fingers at anybody but them.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 11:25 AM  

Millennials have been told our whole lives to expect lower standards of living than our parents. We were told to get used to the gig economy and to help immigrants to spite ourselves. We were told we have mood or personality disorder by teachers who wanted to or did drug us. And to avoid wearing white ethnic garb.

And we're supposed to care about boomer issues like healthcare, end of life care, and pensions. We won't have any of that, so why care? Their problems aren't ours.

Millennials are the largest tax paying group in our respective nations, and this is becoming a part of party platforms like with Derek Fildebrandt in Alberta. We're waiting in the wings until they all die and their dreams of multikulti go with them to Tartarus.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 10, 2019 11:29 AM  

"Millennials are a waste. They were raised by boomers to be have all the worst traits of boomers."

So, because they were wasted by the boomers.

Blogger Up from the pond May 10, 2019 11:38 AM  

Well, as of today, Anne Frank is still on the cover of Life Magazine.

The last Boomers turn 100 in 2065. That's 46 years from now. Forty-six more years of the Beatles, Jackie O, Elvis, Woodstock, Jimi Hendrix, and Billy Joel shoved in our face no matter where we turn

Half a century to go. Situation: still bleak.

It will be a long time before the 100-year-old Last Boomer guns his Harley into the sunset, his white ponytail flapping around in the wind and his speakers blaring "My Generation."

Blogger Patrick Kelly May 10, 2019 11:43 AM  

" they were in the generation who gave birth to the Boomers (they are all born in the first half of the 1930s). "

It's mixed in my family. 1/2 the silents are like that, the other 1/2 are somewhat red-pilled and concerned about what they are leaving behind for kids and grand children.

The red-pilled voted for Trump and are still professing Christians, active in local churches. A bit too sweet and naive in their 80's to grasp what is likely coming and needs to be done now.

The others, almost outright pagan hippie commies who hope the next generation after they die somehow escape the mess and establish their commie-topia on Mars leaving all the evil-bad-thingies cause by global warming and Trump behind to be destroyed by asteroids set loose by climate change or right wing aliens on Uranus who hacked the election for Trump.

Ok, a bit of an exaggeration. They don't really believe the aliens from Uranus hacked the election.

I still love them all. Families are fun.

Blogger buzzardist May 10, 2019 11:54 AM  

I’ve never understood the “Millenials are self-centered and entitled” meme.

Raised in a culture where everyone gets a participation prize, where standards are lowered so everyone meets them, where its abuse to say no to a child, where students and parents alike feel more than comfortable complaining at teachers because every grade wasn't an "A," where its normal to close off oneself from anyone who criticizes or disagrees? Yeah, nothing entitled about that at all.

It's not unfair to blame the Boomer upbringing for creating this sense of entitlement, but, yeah, Boomers raised their kids with the mindset that everyone deserves to win first place and that no one should face criticism. Millennials are confronted with a harsh reality that most people don't succeed most of the time. Mature, normally developed people get up, dust themselves off, and keep fighting for something better. Millennials, rather than make a go of it in this reality, stay sheltered in their parents' homes, buoyed by an echo chamber of social media.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 12:06 PM  

"Millennials are the largest tax paying group in our respective nations, and this is becoming a part of party platforms like with Derek Fildebrandt in Alberta. We're waiting in the wings until they all die and their dreams of multikulti go with them to Tartarus. "

oh for fucks sake. No. you were not the first generation to be told that you would have it worse than your parents. You entitled little morons. Every generation in America felt that way off and on until the 50s. You think the kids that grew up in the freaking depression thought they were gonna have it better than their parents had it in the 20s? Ya think the kids in the south in the 1870s thought they had any hope of having anything close to what their parents and grandparents had? Shut up.

Virtually every generation has faced similar challenges. GenX came into college age facing big recessions... just like you. Boomers faced the stagflation of the 70s and interest rates that were higher than what your parents still pay on your credit cards.

You're a pathetic waste of a generation to busy gazing at your own navel and feeling sorry for yourself to do anything productive because you were raised by the worst generation in history to be somehow... even worse than them.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 12:10 PM  

"But the first generation to grow up without a father, in a stagnant economy, and raised to be nihilists hardly qualifies as “entitled” just because we had a damn iPhone."

you're not entitled because you have an iPhone. You're entitled because you think the world owes you something. It doesn't. It never has. It doesn't owe you a father. it doesn't owe you a good economy. It doesn't owe you a damn thing. get over it and get to work ya lazy little shit.

Blogger Up from the pond May 10, 2019 12:17 PM  

Nate wrote:You're a pathetic waste of a generation to busy gazing at your own navel and feeling sorry for yourself to do anything productive

"Bootstraps!" cried the Boomer, as the Chinese pillow was slowly lowered on to his face in the De'Shawn McNasty nursing home.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 12:23 PM  

You know what, Nate? You're right.

Blogger Wilkes Marprelate May 10, 2019 12:27 PM  

Thanks, Vox. :)

Blogger Balam May 10, 2019 12:36 PM  

Thanks, J. wrote:Boomers really do say, "I won't be around to see it" or some variation of that. Sometimes, "glad I wont have to deal that". "Not my problem, I'll be dead". Lmao, I've heard 'em all. What an indictment. That ME Generation's legacy! Never. Forget.
A part of me looks forward to the bloodshed, if it is indeed inevitable, as the great war where people can carve out their own destinies. I know peace is good and no one who comes back from war really likes it, but it's a feeling I can't avoid. There's this civil veneer over everything right now, a cold war atmosphere I guess, where people kill and poke but no one admits that it's a hot war yet.

Hideo Kojima always saw the ideas culture would embrace before their time in his Metal Gear series. Here's a speech from Senator Armstrong, antagonist from Metal Gear rising, talking about America getting rebuilt after the destruction of all the corrupt culture. He even uses the phrase MAGA all the way back in 2013 (3:25)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWQd8zhEg4

Blogger Up from the pond May 10, 2019 12:41 PM  

buzzardist wrote:Millennials are confronted with a harsh reality that most people don't succeed most of the time.

So was Solzhenitsyn.

buzzardist wrote:Mature, normally developed people get up, dust themselves off, and keep fighting for something better.

He did so, and so do we.

Blogger Akuma May 10, 2019 12:48 PM  

Stop breathing then. This is America. You have to earn the right to breath kid.

Blogger Akuma May 10, 2019 12:51 PM  

"Millennials, rather than make a go of it in this reality, stay sheltered in their parents' homes, buoyed by an echo chamber of social media."

Baby boomers rather than blaming themselves for raising millenials, blame the millenials for listening to them.

Blogger Tiny Bunch May 10, 2019 12:52 PM  

I'm a very late Boomer. I was hating hippies before you were born.

So I guess I'm doing a bit of virtue signalling here. But please, show me how we could have done better.

Stop transgenders taking over girl's sports. Or atrocities like what is being done to that Desmond kid.

But I'll think you'll find yourself as powerless as we were.

Blogger Garuna May 10, 2019 1:06 PM  

I wonder if the "people who don't always follow what they preach" definition of HYPOCRISY is a new invention. I think the point of the word might have originally been about dishonesty rather than just inconsistency. According to the 1828 definition as well as most recent definitions, "someone who preaches what they honestly believe but don't/can't always act on it" doesn't qualify as a hypocrite.

Examples: An regretful addict who can't kick his addiction teaching his kids never to do drugs. A childless former feminist teaching young girls to have kids.

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WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY 1828
1) Simulation; a feigning to be what one is not; or dissimulation, a concealment of one's real character or motives. More generally, hypocrisy is simulation, or the assuming of a false appearance of virtue or religion; a deceitful show of a good character, in morals or religion; a counterfeiting of religion.
2) Simulation; deceitful appearance; false pretense.

MERRIAM WEBSTER
1) a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not
2) the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
3) behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel

DICTIONARY.COM
1) a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2) a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.

THE FREE DICTIONARY
1) The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2) An act or instance of such falseness.

WIKIPEDIA/INFOGALACTIC
1) Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, esp. with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence in general sense, dissimulation, pretense, sham.
2) In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one’s own expressed moral rules and principles.

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Even if we go by the 'inconsistency' definition of HYPOCRISY, are you really inconsistent if you acknowledge that the preached virtues are about the ideal and not every will be able to put the ideal into practice all the time? If you acknowledge that and then occasionally fail to meet the ideal standards, you're not really inconsistent with what you are saying.

If we go by the most hardcore 'inconsistency' definition of HYPOCRISY, in that you have to follow all your professed ideal virtues all the times, then everybody is a hypocrite and the word has no value. What is the point of criticizing someone as a "hypocrite" if everyone qualifies?

For the word to have any critical value, it can't just be a hardcore 'inconsistency' based definition. The focus has to be like 1828 on dishonesty rather than inconsistency.

Blogger kurt9 May 10, 2019 1:06 PM  

If you want to play the generational blame game, blame the early (born in late 40's) boomers. These were the people who came out of college into the late 60's growth economy and chose to piss on it, for entirely gratuitous reasons. These people, who are of Bill and Hillary's age, had opportunity handed to them on a silver platter (in a way that most of us could only dream about) and turned up their nose at it. Worse, they supported politics that destroyed opportunity for those of us who came after (although some of them did redeem themselves by voting for and supporting Reagan in the early 80's). Blame these people if you want to blame someone for all of our current travails.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 1:12 PM  

" Millennials, rather than make a go of it in this reality, stay sheltered in their parents' homes, buoyed by an echo chamber of social media."

MUH PATREON

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 10, 2019 1:12 PM  

You know, when the next generation sincerely, without hypocrisy, straightforwardly, tells you how much they despise you, maybe you ought to listen? Just a little?

I won't even get into the weeds of everyone who complained about "soulless" did not attend church? Maybe they went to synagogue, but I'm wondering why they thought all the houses around them were full of other Jews? Or the entire country? Is that about like urban blacks thinking they will take over America, right up to the minute they go on a roadtrip to discover how big, and how white, most of America is? There's a documentary about that, done by comedians? Is it like the Charlottesville chant "you will not replace us" which is reported by Jews as "Jews will not replace us" - usually then telling us how they plan to do just that- abortions and race-mixing and open borders. The mask comes off, apparently, just like any exorcist tells you it does.

Or is this urban, small church pastors going to mega-churches for Sunday sermon, without realizing that the most effort is in small groups? Or whining that there aren't professional orchestras, when there are concerts every two or three months at all the schools. It's not professional, but the musicians are related to the audience, which is a lot more like Salzburg during Mozart, or any church with Bachs in the pews.

All the esteemed minor Boomers are now writing autobiographies. Their biographies are as bland and self-serving and ahistorical as the major Boomers' autobiographies. I thought it was, maybe, an artifact of ghostwriters and corporate screening. But,no, ya'll really are the blandest, most vapid, self-centered generation in all of history.

Ya'll want us to solve Social Security and municipal pensions and state pensions: I don't think we are going to solve it the way you want. You want us to solve social problems. I can't even speculate how we will, but if it's using time-tested methods, you will be shocked because you never bothered learning history. You want us having good jobs, eventually: we will, starting with demolition companies taking down your grotesque buildings. They are shoddy concrete, excellent glass, miles of piping: we can re-use all of them to make better things, environmentally consciously! (we learned some good things from you!)

And, nuclear. Do you understand how cool you made nuclear power? It's the kinkiest pleasure available to white boys, right now. Intersectional Immigrants can't even do the math to build a safe reactor. It's the whitest inside joke going.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 1:43 PM  

"Ya'll want us to solve Social Security and municipal pensions and state pensions: I don't think we are going to solve it the way you want. You want us to solve social problems. I can't even speculate how we will, but if it's using time-tested methods, you will be shocked because you never bothered learning history. "

Boomers may want that.

Gen X just wants you to shut up.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2019 1:45 PM  

d wrote:Segregating the generations to pit them against each other is the Boomers' brainwork, ironically.
Generational antipathy is the work of the (((Cultural Marxists))), who deliberately propagated this meme in order to destroy Christianity and the family.
Boomers were the generation taught that their parents were every kind of evil.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2019 1:54 PM  

The Boomeriest of all Boomer things, that you Millennials will have no idea of, is the two-tier union contract. Ask a working-class GenXer about them some time.

Here's how they worked: Everyone hired before date X (usually sometime in the late 80s) will be paid according to schedule A, everyone hired after date X will be paid according to schedule B.
Everyone hired before date X will qualify for the full retirement plan with defined benefits starting at age 55. Everyone hired after date X will be allowed a small tax break and partial match on money they put directly into a retirement account.

Blogger Up from the pond May 10, 2019 1:55 PM  

Nate wrote:MUH PATREON

Boomer: make money u pos
Millennial: ok
Millennial: (makes money)
Boomer: (EXPLODES WITH RAGE) YOU'RE NOTHING! I'M SOMEBODY!

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 2:14 PM  

Snidley Whiplash,

I'll bite. Could you tell us millennials more about what gen x saw when they got hired on the B grade? And if you don't mind answering this, or anyone who bites, to what extent does the movie Office Space reflect gen x professional class workers?

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 10, 2019 2:23 PM  

Nate, I'm X, raising Z. I don't know how problems will get solved- I'm not a prognosticator- any predictive dreams I've had are fever nightmares- but I do know that no one has warm feelings towards Boomers, and lots of people think a 1950s white majority America with full on segregation, and plenty of anti-Semitism to go around, sounds like a good idea. And no one, but no one, thinks anything LBJ did is worth preserving, including his library.

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 10, 2019 2:24 PM  

Nate, you are a consummate Boomer. I don't know your date of birth but you have the attitude down pat. "Shut up about how we ruined society and literally did everything we could to loot those who came after us - BOOTSTRAPS! Nevermind we sold your future so we could have nice welfare when we get old - nevermind we literally destroyed the country by enabling and continuing the invasion of the 3rd world. Nevermind all that! I made it on my own (j/k, my parents generation actually cared about me and made sure I had a working society to inherit) so obviously if you just go into that business, talk to the owner and look him in the eye and give him a firm handshake, he'll shower you in manna from heaven!"

Oof. My tolerance for Boomerisms has waned considerably.

Blogger Garuna May 10, 2019 2:26 PM  

Boomers are going in the dustbin of history. Sad!

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 2:55 PM  

Pretty sure Nate is dyed-in-the-wool gen x. He writes with the kind of passion that only comes from firsthand experience.

Blogger justaguy May 10, 2019 2:56 PM  

As a Boomer, I view with fear what my generation leaves behind. As VD has said before, the Boomers seemed to express joy and exuberance in blasting past previous generations norms in the culture war. Indeed it was in my generation that the last vestiges of civilizational norms fled.

As a late Boomer, the destruction was already upon us by the time I graduated from college. Fueled by the reckless laws the greatest generation gave us, and the lack of defense of the West the progressive wing that dominated most of the colleges by the 60’s—a small portion of the Boomers along with Hollywood and the media moved an entire society into a hedonistic, self-indulgent orgy of not caring about the future (or assuming the pure progressive future would cure everything.)

But, I am not a black pilled Boomer. I know that the majority of the Boomers simply ignored the revolution and went ahead with life, getting ahead. Yes, the change in divorce laws assailed us as many of our wives fell for the lure of feminist single life. (% of divorces initiated by females!) But we soldiered on, and took the country from one participant in a long cold war to the sole superpower. Again the majority of the Boomers haven’t bought the statist propaganda nor their cultural norms. The sexual revolution of the Boomers is nothing, not even a shade of the existing sexual marketplace.

The question is whether or not the future generations will gird their loins and continue to exhibit the virtues that enable a civilization to survive. This is a harder puzzle than the one faced by my Boomer generation. In the 1950s the societal norms were enforced by morality laws. Even when the laws were lax, societal pressure was allowed—people could not rent to, not sell to, not hire those that openly violated the norms. Now the laws have been bent to disallow societal pressure for the old morals and are only available to the SJWs to use against the normies.

Today, even a work-working man is going against the culture because he “isn’t there” for all of the kid’s activities—as if there is some need for both the mother and father to “show support” as compared to getting ahead and providing for the family. In today’s world with large amounts of imported labor, too many have to work long hours to take care of their family. Every electrician, plumber, or HVAC Tech I know works side jobs in addition to a full time with overtime job just to take care of their family. Something about too many illegal immigrants willing to live 3 to a room in illegal flophouses and eat rice and beans work for pennies to the dollar.

VD has mentioned several times that a Christian man’s duty is to raise up a God-fearing family, even though the laws and culture are against him. I taught my sons the same lesson and hopefully others did likewise. The reality of that will be upon our children to see. Will there still be civilization or only barbarism for most of the masses? It is up to the next generations to decide. The Boomers had to decide the cold war and advance civilization to a point where most of the world was connected and out of extreme poverty. The next generation or so will have the harder fight to keep it that way.


Blogger xevious2030 May 10, 2019 2:57 PM  

“But I'll think you'll find yourself as powerless as we were.” Yes, it just happened, by magic…

You’re speaking as an individual and a we. Do you have any idea why the “talking about my generation” thing is so selected? If you were not a part of the destructive element, it makes no sense to consider yourself as what is being derided. But there’s this disturbance on the mound, time for everyone to run and start biting in defense. Cause it’s my generation, and I’m a part of it no matter what.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 2:59 PM  

That's good advice to find a job. Actually going into a business to talk shop with a decision maker, how could that be silly? I've had way more luck cold calling on places I want to work at than giving my docs to some random online database designed to disqualify applicants. Pounding pavement always wins out even if the business is square and shuts you out. At least then you know that place sucks to work at.

Blogger David Ray Milton May 10, 2019 3:23 PM  

@nate

I’ve worked 55+ hours a week for the past ten years in a company that is run by other millennials who are pulling similar hours. We all have children, most go to church, and all of us are breeding just fine.

Anecdotes don’t defy stats and social circles are insular, but just because Bernie appealed to some forgotten Omegas in their mother’s basement doesn’t mean the whole generation is lazy and entitled, because I know no one like that. After all, you have to work your ass off to pay back $100k+ in student loans that you can’t default on.

Blogger xevious2030 May 10, 2019 3:46 PM  

@57 (SB) Do you one better. Gen X had a whole lot of Gamma entertainment, and has a whole lot of Gamma people. Is this something to celebrate, to revel in, act like it isn’t?

#58 (AU), an X raising A’s. You teach them Truth, Logos, prepare them for struggle, and encourage them to have lots of babies doing the same (they are literally you, the union of two living cells, and if you die out, you can not continue the fight). You do your best to spread Western Civilization, Christendom, around them to prepare their way until they are of the age of discernment. That the measure of success is serving our Lord Jesus Christ, and spreading His Kingdom. You teach them to fight and to win, spiritually and otherwise. You teach them to hear and listen to the Holy Spirit. That it isn’t over until our Lord returns and the Judgement is brought about. And that you do not let the enemy wolves in sheep’s clothing tell you your weapons, they’ll arm you to lose. Like Vox said, how many people did Christianity start out with?

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 3:46 PM  

"Nate, you are a consummate Boomer. I don't know your date of birth but you have the attitude down pat. "Shut up about how we ruined society and literally did everything we could to loot those who came after us - BOOTSTRAPS! Nevermind we sold your future so we could have nice welfare when we get old "

You fucking moron. The only people on the planet I hate more than you idiot millinnials are your boomer parents. I literally blame them for everything you do... particularly your whining.

Boomers want you to fix everything. Boomers blame you for ruining things.

I don't do either of things. I am just sick of listening to your pathetic complaining. You're useless as tits on a boar hog and on top of it... you're proud of it.

"I’ve worked 55+ hours a week for the past ten years in a company that is run by other millennials who are pulling similar hours. We all have children, most go to church, and all of us are breeding just fine. "


oh look.... its the millennial version of the snowflake boomer who totally wasn't like the other boomers.

Blogger FALPhil May 10, 2019 4:03 PM  

Damn. That's worth carving in stone and placing on the mantle for all to see.

Blogger Lance E May 10, 2019 4:13 PM  

There's always a silver lining. We might lose access to indoor plumbing, but at least we'll never again have to listen to another preening, posturing Boomer.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 4:13 PM  

@66,

No, not at all something to celebrate or relish. You guys grew up with Degrassi and after school specials that taught degeneracy.

That got me thinking about how my cohort really took to Friends and Sex and the City. Both working class and professional class characters are self absorbed losers.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 4:22 PM  

@65 There's no point arguing with Nate because he's right. You might not like how he's talking but what he's talking about is bang on. That's the reason it stings. 30 year old boomer meme exists for the reason that millennials are 30 year old boomers.

Blogger Akuma May 10, 2019 4:28 PM  

I bet you would all fail a hair follicle drug test too. You're also all on meds prescribed by a psychiatrist as well.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 4:56 PM  

"I bet you would all fail a hair follicle drug test too. You're also all on meds prescribed by a psychiatrist as well."

its odd that the things that they have legitimate complaints about... they don't actually complain about.

Blogger xevious2030 May 10, 2019 5:05 PM  

@70 (SB) Oh, it was so much worse than that. Morning PBS. Then big three channels, all the way until they cut off late at night, and the BS newscasts. “What’s Happening,” “Welcome back Kotter,” “The Jeffersons,” “Alice,” “The Love Boat,” cable tv, and it got worse from there into the 80s. And the movies. And a ton of the music. Loved all of it at the time, pretty much disgusted now. No idea about Degrassi, apparently that was Canadian, not down south in the US. But yes, your point exactly.

Blogger Balam May 10, 2019 5:08 PM  

Pity them or hate them, some boomers aren't gracefully exiting the hellscape they have created.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/may/08/police-woman-violently-shoved-elderly-man-out-of-b/

"Cadesha Michelle Bishop, 25, had been cursing at passengers on March 21, so the 74-year-old man asked her to be “nicer” to them, according to Metro Police.

News reports identified him as Serge Fournier.

As Fournier grabbed his walker and turned to get off the Regional Transportation Commission bus in downtown Las Vegas, Bishop approached him from behind and shoved him with both hands, police wrote in an arrest warrant.

...

He died April 23 in hospice care from complications from blunt force trauma to his torso, police said."

Magic dirt america putting boomer america in the dirt.

Blogger Akuma May 10, 2019 5:15 PM  

If theres anything I hate more than Boomers its people that hate Millenials.

Have you ever fought a Millenial IRL? I only ask cause as a Millenial Ive fought a baby boomer and told off several others. Muititudes of them were female, one of which the police almost shot.

Blogger rycamor May 10, 2019 5:18 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:Well, as of today, Anne Frank is still on the cover of Life Magazine.

The last Boomers turn 100 in 2065. That's 46 years from now. Forty-six more years of the Beatles, Jackie O, Elvis, Woodstock, Jimi Hendrix, and Billy Joel shoved in our face no matter where we turn

Half a century to go. Situation: still bleak.


Nah. It's almost over now. How many Boomers do you think will live to 100? Even by 2060 it will be the thinnest trailing edge of a population. There will probably be some minor news stories somewhere about "the last Boomer to die" but no one will care. They certainly won't be driving any national "conversations" or mass media Boomer nostalgia within about 10-15 years.

I would, however, expect a massive Boomer panic within the decade when they truly realize how many people hate them--or even worse, don't know or care anything about them. It's going to be interesting to see what walled gardens they try to create with their retirement money.


Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 5:25 PM  

@74,

I hear you about hindsight. You might have had it worse for entertainment. Love Boat? I hear that was very degenerate.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 5:27 PM  

Oh God... the Jeffersons… ***twitch***

Blogger rycamor May 10, 2019 5:32 PM  

sammibandit wrote:to what extent does the movie Office Space reflect gen x professional class workers?

It reflects them extremely well. If there's one thing Gen Xers hate, it is the smarmy sloganeering and "motivational" patter of the Boomer white-collar class. Lumbergh is every Boomer boss rolled up into one, and "The Bobs" are the prototypical Boomer predatory class: the expert. Boomers love them some experts. They think experts can roll into any situation and fix it all, when generally they leave nothing but ruin in their wake.

Peter and his buddies are guys who just want to get the job done, rather than be pestered by 8 different bosses obsessing about TPS reports. And they want to be left alone in their personal time, rather than live, eat, and breath their "career". Gen Xers grew up seeing Boomers do that, and saw the results.

Blogger xevious2030 May 10, 2019 5:34 PM  

Yes, memories, sometimes you can't just claw them out of your brain no matter how hard you try.

Blogger Job La Salle May 10, 2019 5:43 PM  

Nate is right. Millennials are garbage. Half of my generation is ruined and most of the rest are too wounded to ever live normal lives.

Our childhood was like walking through a field of land mines. Fatherlessness, SSRIs, being expelled for fighting bullies, shitty advice ('Don't study math, son.'), homosexual propaganda, sexual equality lies, racial equality lies, student loans... Basically everyone was wounded by something.

What makes us pathetic is that most gave in to the brainwashing. The rest of us want to stack skulls.

Gen Z are the counter-boomers. They are hungry for the truth.

Blogger rycamor May 10, 2019 5:47 PM  

These idiots accusing Nate of Boomerism even though he's GenX, no: Boomers talk about THEMSELVES. Every damn time. And they will constantly draw attention to the fact that they are Boomers. And they will bluster about how great they were and they deserve their reward for being so awesome and they deserve to be remembered because their time was so Important. Totally different dynamic.

Blogger SirHamster May 10, 2019 6:23 PM  

sammibandit wrote:Pretty sure Nate is dyed-in-the-wool gen x. He writes with the kind of passion that only comes from firsthand experience.

It's not hard to tell cynical GenX from navel-gazing Boomer.

Those incorrectly labeling Nate a Boomer are probably Millennial given the emotional reaction ... You all are doing a terrible job disproving Nate.

The correct response is, "Thank you sir, may I please have another?"

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 10, 2019 6:32 PM  

"oh look.... its the millennial version of the snowflake boomer who totally wasn't like the other boomers."

That's nice Nate. Now why are we talking about millennials in a boomer thread?

"I bet you would all fail a hair follicle drug test too. You're also all on meds prescribed by a psychiatrist as well."

See, this sort of thing is how I know I'm not a target here and to just let it pass. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't fricking try to put it on and then rage at the cobbler. Then he just knows that it almost fit.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 6:52 PM  

@rycamor,

Peter, the stone, is unshaken by the annoying boomers. Thanks for the analysis and the added comment about desiring a personal life. I'm sure you know all too well that boomers mark people who want a life as "difficult".

I believe the same actor played Lucas in Empire Records.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 6:54 PM  

@Sirhamster

Those incorrectly labeling Nate a Boomer are probably Millennial given the emotional reaction ... You all are doing a terrible job disproving Nate.

The correct response is, "Thank you sir, may I please have another?"


Bingo.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 10, 2019 7:02 PM  

I think there was a translational error, probably made by me, and Nate? I am GenX, Nate is GenX.

When I say Ya'll I'm talking to a theoretical Boomer as "ya'll." I don't know how government client programs continue. I don't know that the 'we' in America includes everyone already on the continent: there are jumbo jets that can fly non-stop to Africa, Asia and South America. Trains go from America to South America. We know people are willing to ride on top the train to get here. Maybe that's how they get back home.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 10, 2019 7:16 PM  

I had figured the boomers to be more tenacious. But they are dropping like flies. Most of them are obese, and that costs. They'll sell out what's left of our future for health care. But hopefully it happens too fast. We just have to outlive them.
Where I work we are stuck with a lot of hanging on boomers. People who are entirely useless but should have retired already. Some are past retirement age, some are just too damned unhealthy to even be trying to hold down a job. Trying to get things done around them is excruciating at times. But I'm used to it, and know how to document my efforts at least so my ass is covered when someone up above starts wondering why XYZ isn't getting done.
Where there is much boomer hate to go around, my generation is not squeaky clean either. GenX boasted about "watching it all burn" but never had the balls to light a match. Why, if we did, we might lose our fancy pants. Well some of us who didn't lose them already. The rest are just too afraid to miss those child support payments from their 3 failed marriages ... all to the same kind of woman, but each not like the rest ironically.

The other say some GenZ kids walked out on a gun-control fest though mainly because it was disguised as a vigil. They chanted "mental health". I think the game changer we predicted is in effect. It's the internet. With boomers and GenX, we were bought and sold by the media and "system". The boomers did it collectively, GenX did it entirely out of deception. Though those GenXers who started to see the bones in the temple walls behind the thick layers of whitewash simply just tuned out. Their boomer parents called them "slackers" and said "What's wrong with kids today blah blah (insert story about paying entirely for college by waiting tables and still owning a used Corvette here...)"
The big obstacle are millenials. A lot of GenX was still raised by Silent Generation. It was a huge difference actually. Boomer raised GenX and SG raised GenX were like two different groups. It was during the reign of SG that advances in pre and neonatal care were made and that was the generation that was able to have kids late. So GenX did not go lockstep into stupidity like boomers. But millenials are all-boomer raised. And late boomers too: not the ones at woodstock, who were bad enough. The ones who were boogey woogeying at the disco. The 70s was a bigger social abyss than the 60s.

The only thing GenX needs to do is keep the millenials from scuttling the ship before GenZ comes of age. Millenials are programmed for this destruction. As Vox once said, and it's stuck in my mind: The devil is running out of boomers and reloading with millenials.

Blogger Clint May 10, 2019 7:26 PM  

Anyone who can remotely even consider calling Nate a Boomer needs to head over to the local public school and ask for his money back.

You have demonstrated a complete lack of awareness and critical thinking skills.

Blogger justaguy May 10, 2019 7:26 PM  

Why does every generation think that it has it harder than it deserves. Using data, I do not think that any recession/time in the last 70 years has been worse than the stagflation 1970s- at least according to the Fed. Think of aa home mortgage at 12% to 14%. My first mortgage was 12% and the second small mortgage one was even higher. Inflation at 12-15% per year, lots of wages held constant-- over 2 years you buy 25% less! Oh and unemployment in double digits. Sorry, the stagflation lasted most of a decade-- not just a year or two. Oh by the way, the stock market was pretty much flat for almost 15 years.

So yes, everyone can think that they have never seen prosperity, AOC. But the Greatest had the depression, Boomers had stagflation, Gen X had to put up with the huge Boomer generation getting there first, and now the Millenials got the Obama recession (made longer and worse by his idiotic policies). Yes we have all had it hard. It is harder if you are stupid. Stop being stupid and you will find one can manage life.

Blogger Brett baker May 10, 2019 7:39 PM  

All old people say it. It's just that the last few generations have had medical care that could keep them leaching longer.

Blogger Brett baker May 10, 2019 7:43 PM  

Sadly, too many of our generation are going super-boomer as they age.

Blogger Brett baker May 10, 2019 7:52 PM  

I think Nate is Milton.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2019 8:01 PM  

justaguy wrote:Think of aa home mortgage at 12% to 14%. My first mortgage was 12% and the second small mortgage one was even higher. Inflation at 12-15% per year, lots of wages held constant-- over 2 years you buy 25% less! Oh and unemployment in double digits.
Do you realize you are complaining about the interest rate on your first mortgage to people who couldn't afford to buy a house?

Blogger liberranter May 10, 2019 8:03 PM  

It's not only Boomers who have that attitude. It goes a lot farther back than that. My nonagenarian "Silent Generation" mother says this frequently, as do/did many members of my family/acquaintances of the "Greatest [sic]" Generation. It's usually delivered with a flippant smirk, a "fuck you/sucks to be you" attitude adopted by people who are aware of neither the extent of the own narcissistic solipsism, nor the extent of their own sociopathy in taking delight in the thought of others having to clean up their toxic messes.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 8:09 PM  

Funny story from the shop today. I complimented a gen x or late millennial man on his outfit, which was dark wash denim, business casual sneakers, a polo, and a blue jacket with a newsboy collar. He laughed and said that some of the older guys at his work thought he was too casual for casual Friday. I replied "ugh, boomers your outfit is very professional", and he laughed and said "exactly". He really did look smart and on the ball. He also said that those guys still wear suits and ties on Fridays and that he was going back to work to tell his colleagues about how boomers ruin things. Talk about coincidences!

Blogger Nate May 10, 2019 8:17 PM  

"That's nice Nate. Now why are we talking about millennials in a boomer thread?"

I responded to a whiney lying millennial spouting boiler plate millennial bullshit

Blogger justaguy May 10, 2019 8:20 PM  

I don't know. 23 years old, Ensign in the US Navy, top 5% of class from USNA with a less than 900 sq. ft. house, 1 bath, in the sticks of SC, next to an open cesspool in a section 8 HUD area. Young, stupid and believed what the Realtor told me... Basically I lived in an area I wouldn't even think of living now. But I grew up in a minority majority neighborhood, so it was familiar.

Today what can does someone who was a National Merit semi finalist (top 16,000 in his cohort), and a nuclear engineer with top grades make after 1 year.... Inflation adjusted I think it was less than an Ensign made then. The issue is comparing apples to oranges. Today I know of engineers who start as a GS-13 in DC.

Too often we say Boomer, when we mean someone who is at least a couple ( or 3 or 4) SDs above average who worked their entire life from Junior High School and then we compare that guy to someone average now. Charles Murray talked that when IQ was held constant, people across all different measures had similar outcomes. He didn't measure across generations (at least not in his Bell Curve book) but it is probably comparable. What is likely different is the later generations choosing careers that sub-optimize their potential to trey to emulate S. Jobs and do what they love. That I have seen more and more occur.

Oh and by the way, for those who bitch about the elite getting into finance- at least the big guys-- you have to be at least 2 SD above average and have worked your tail off with top SATs and top grades in hard subjects just to get interviewed. Unless you are one of maybe a few hundred rich families.

Blogger sammibandit May 10, 2019 8:49 PM  

Several by my count including self.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2019 9:00 PM  

justaguy wrote:23 years old, Ensign in the US Navy, top 5% of class from USNA with a less than 900 sq. ft. house, 1 bath, in the sticks of SC, next to an open cesspool in a section 8 HUD area.
Again you're talking to guys in their early 30s who can't afford to buy a home at all.
And yes, we know you're extra special super smart and all. Somehow unable to understand that being unable to buy a house is not commensurate with paying a high mortgage rate for a couple of years, but super, super smart.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 10, 2019 10:09 PM  

See, that Section 8 housing area is something you endure, but is likely going to get solved one way or another by GenZ. There's a point when cities will decide that they want a clean, safe city with potable water, and the easiest way to get it is to enforce every law, including capital punishment. And there won't be enough SJW lawyers with courtroom experience or interest to stop that particular solution. The police are getting shipped off to more repressive nations to learn to be abusive to their citizens. It's as likely to be law enforcement cleaning up, as neighbors with bad attitudes. I mean, honestly, how is a news anchor going to report a story about a flaming crescent or flaming menorah?



And, second, are you getting there are, at this point, two generations that are so deep into debt for their college degrees- sensible degrees from good schools- two generations! that will never, ever be out of debt. The sensible parents are steering their obviously bright children away from formal education and certifications. I know doctors whose male children ought to be doctors- who are being encouraged to be nurses, simply because medical school is so expensive. These are children with A+ standardized tests for organic chemistry, physics, calculus: brilliant young men being told to not chase that most prestigious of golden rings b/c that's all that would happen: they'd be in debt for life.

Blogger Jack Amok May 10, 2019 11:01 PM  

The Boomers were right, in a sense, to rebel against the hypocrisy and phoniness of their parents.

That's a wish-casting statement. The GI generation had it's share of hypocrisy, but that's not what the Boomers rebelled against. They rebelled against everything else. They embraced the hypocrisy and and used it as an excuse for rebelling against those standards their elders managed to take seriously.

Vietnam draft dodgers, for example, weren't rebelling against the hypocrisy of a supposed republic engaging in empire-building (proof? Look at what the Boomers did when they got in power). They were just chickens rebelling against honor and courage.

Blogger weka May 10, 2019 11:03 PM  

Ararchy in the UK or the smiths. The who and their fans are pushing 70. Now.

Blogger justaguy May 10, 2019 11:04 PM  

I guess I didn't fully explain. I thought it was obvious- If a guy who is one of top of his cohort had to live in a shitty place, what did the poor guy who is a carpenter/blue collar worker do? Unlike now, in the 1970s, it was not even a majority of any class/cohort that went directly to a 4 year college. The majority of the people did something else. That is what I meant by the apple to orange sentence. My comment that the equivalent smart guy today starts at about $100k+ to 200K I thought answered your complaint, but hey, what about meeee.

In the time of the Boomers (1970s), the guy who became a carpenter couldn't afford a house at 23 either. Many couldn’t at 30 too, but at least the Reagan economy was in swing so at least there was better employment. It isn’t about who can afford a house when—it is about that bad economies hit every generation. While the posts above has a loud whine about no prosperity and the Boomers ate it all, according to the data it is much much better now than the 1970s economy. Some Boomers overcame the bad economy and went ahead anyway. We tend to ignore the significant % of Boomers that didn’t make it and didn’t have families/succeed.

But what the Boomers didn't have was huge immigration taking the blue collar jobs away. The elites hadn't signed NAFTA " with its big sucking sound of jobs to Mexico" (Perot), nor had China become a member of the WTO. . About 2 billion people have come out of extreme poverty since the early 1990s thanks to what Clinton, Bush etc. did to help the world. Lots of elite tout how great it is that today now that less than ½ the world is in extreme poverty--- but the middle class of America paid for it. Today it is easier for the smart to get ahead, but the average is left behind.

So yes, each generation has its own challenges—each have to solve them or not. VD and Gen X and the rest have a bigger problem to solve—one of our elites own making—how to create an economy that doesn’t leave so many behind when we seemingly invite a huge underclass welcome so they can vote democrat. Charles Murray and others think that universal basic income is the answer—I hope it isn’t.

Blogger Jack Amok May 10, 2019 11:26 PM  

Nate is right. Millennials are garbage. Half of my generation is ruined and most of the rest are too wounded to ever live normal lives.

Spent some time around Millennials last weekend - camping and listening to them philosophize. I realized something about them.

Idiot Boomers, in their efforts to weaponize Millennials as foot soldiers in the Boomer's culture wars, gave them a giant, generational sized case of PTSD. Millennials we told so persistently how horrible the world was and how much worse it was going to get without Drastic Action, they...

...just gave up. Idiot Boomers traumatized them into thinking it was hopeless, that the future was going to be a crapsack world. Yet another thing the Boomer's ruined in their unthinking greed. What kind of selfish monster tells little kids the planet is doomed?

Blogger justaguy May 10, 2019 11:32 PM  

#102. Would top men and women who go into Engineering, Chemistry or Physics at a good school (top state school) really be in debt for the rest of their life? I don't use STEM, because it has become bastardized with too many idiot/easy S majors, and too many semi M majors who aren't really smart enough to do the high level M that companies pay for. Ignore coders/computer anything-- these are not engineering and it is hard to tell what is actually being taught.

It looks to me that an engineer/chemist/ engineer from a top state school-- meaning the best state public school in the state-- does pretty well today. They can easily get internships in the high populated state (I don't know how Montana and Idaho etc. do for internships) and can arrange to not have too much debt at the end. I mean, if that person was really a top student, they start with at least a year of college credits from high school from the AP courses. They can watch their expenses, take community college for a year etc.

Now I believe that college is a racket foisted upon the last few generation by hordes of education majors in schools acting as counselors. Years ago, Charles Murray wrote that only maybe 15% of each cohort should attend college-- those at least 1 SD above the norm. I think that maybe it should be closer to 25%-- but not the huge #s now.

Yes every guidance counselor tells everyone to go to college—even if LD. Why would anyone believe their guidance counselor? If one thinks that they can get decent advice from most teachers after enduring them for 11 years (junior year) then maybe one deserves what one gets-- Life is hard it is harder if you are stupid. It should be obvious by the middle of high school that something is wrong with school and no one is running the asylum. Somehow it seems that college has become worse than public education—and all so some professors and administrators can live the good life.

I guess the only thing that keeps college educators from killing themselves out of guilt is their fervent belief that the political indoctrination they are giving the students instead of an education for most of those attending college makes it worthwhile.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 11, 2019 12:01 AM  

justaguy wrote:#102. Would top men and women who go into Engineering, Chemistry or Physics at a good school (top state school) really be in debt for the rest of their life?
Americans are not allowed into those programs. They exist for Chinese and Indian imports and diversity hard-luck cases.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 11, 2019 1:59 AM  

#102 You are being abstract. I am being specific. Namely, specific doctors with children are telling their children who are now in college to not.go.to.medical.school. These are young men who are academic high achievers in high school: AP physics, AP chemistry, AP math. Brilliant young men from the top 100 high schools in America, with professional parents: doctors! being told to not.go.to.medical.school. Because it is so very, very expensive.

I am glad you have such a delightful overview provided by excellent position papers. I, however, am stuck in the real world with real doctors living in real places, who are telling their brilliant young sons to not.go.to.medical.school.

Other young men are choosing to remain at home while in school, not from lack of ambition, but the cold-eyed view that they don't want to be in debt for the rest of their lives. I thought it was an eccentric approach by my own son, but I keep running into all these young men with plans: to open businesses, to run family businesses, to work in family businesses, to work at corporations, to join the military as officers- all sorts of healthy, ambitious, hard-working, sensible young men- who are choosing to stay at home, attend inexpensive schools, and live cautiously.

I have friends with good degrees and jobs in the fields they studied in who will never, ever, ever be out of college debt. They are in their forties and fifties. I know one who was able to retire at 65, having paid off student loans at age 64, who worked in their professional white collar career- even had a second job!-

I see mixed race kids who didn't make the cut for the gifted program at their elementary or the honor society at their middle school, with no extra curriculars at high school getting full ride scholarships to excellent private schools, because that's the tulipmania of leftists: some collected tulips, now some collect high yellow people.

None of this is sustainable. None of this was chosen by GenX. None of this will remain after the Boomers die. I pray every day for the good health and success of Donald J Trump, President, and all the people who support him worldwide, because what comes after him is the deluge. I want it to be a hiccup, not World War 3.

Blogger Frank Ness May 11, 2019 2:25 AM  

"As Vox once said, and it's stuck in my mind: The devil is running out of boomers and reloading with millenials."

Hmmm. Well said.

"Boomers love them some experts. They think experts can roll into any situation and fix it all, when generally they leave nothing but ruin in their wake."


Yep and that's why a Greatest Gen professor labeled them the sheeple generation. The boomers are a definite linchpin for the globalists and they will have to answer to God for that.


Blogger Balam May 11, 2019 2:54 AM  

justaguy wrote:In the time of the Boomers (1970s), the guy who became a carpenter couldn't afford a house at 23 either. Many couldn’t at 30 too,

This is all napkin style roughwork so bear with me.
Median Price of Home 1970: $23,600
Median Price of Home 2019: $240,100

Annual salary of 'Construction Worker'
1970: $10,300 (private), $15,600 (union)
2019: $33,053

A 1970s construction worker makes enough to get a house with 2.329 years of wages for private industry and 1.512 years for a union worker. A 2019 construction worker's ratio is 7.264.

House Prices
https://www.thesimpledollar.com/a-dose-of-financial-reality/
1970s Salary
https://libraryguides.missouri.edu/pricesandwages/1970-1979
2019 Salary
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Construction-Worker-Salary

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 11, 2019 8:46 AM  

Would top men and women who go into Engineering, Chemistry or Physics at a good school (top state school) really be in debt for the rest of their life?

Quite likely today, yes. Oh, the top-of-tops you narrow it down to here (though as Snidely points out, that now includes increasingly few Americans) don't necessarily have to end up that way. If they're smart and save and sacrifice rather than take on debt -- living like their grandparents instead of their parents -- they might be able to avoid it. But if they live like everyone else in their class, the way society says to live, they're going to be deep in debt for their entire lives and never even realize what it's costing them.

When we're talking about generations, there's no point in focusing on what the special snowflakes could do if they just ignored all of society's cues and expectations. What matters is the normal ones living normally.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2019 9:56 AM  

"Namely, specific doctors with children are telling their children who are now in college to not.go.to.medical.school. These are young men who are academic high achievers in high school: AP physics, AP chemistry, AP math. Brilliant young men from the top 100 high schools in America, with professional parents: doctors! being told to not.go.to.medical.school. Because it is so very, very expensive. "

That's bullshit. There are lots of reasons for doctors to tell their kids to not go to medical school... money isn't one of them. If you play your cards right and borrow close to the minimums you will still graduated owing less than 200k... and nothing for undergrad as most medical school kids had very good scholarships already.

For a job that will get you 400,000... 500,000 or a million a year.

You suck at math.

Blogger Brett baker May 11, 2019 9:59 AM  

One who realizes they're going to die, and thinks everyone else should suffer for that fact.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2019 10:06 AM  

"This is all napkin style roughwork so bear with me.
Median Price of Home 1970: $23,600
Median Price of Home 2019: $240,100

Annual salary of 'Construction Worker'
1970: $10,300 (private), $15,600 (union)
2019: $33,053

A 1970s construction worker makes enough to get a house with 2.329 years of wages for private industry and 1.512 years for a union worker. A 2019 construction worker's ratio is 7.264. "

Its a lot more complicated than this. in the 50s and 60s there was a boom for constructing starter homes... small cheap houses. That's what people wanted. as time went on the construction market largely abandoned this and by the 2000s almost all new construction was of the mcmansion sort. The most under reported part of the housing crash is the malinvestment of it all... because all over the country we were building expensive ugly houses that no one actually wanted.

so at the same time that people were defaulting and housing prices were crashing... there was actually a shortage of cheap starter homes and there still is to this day.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2019 10:08 AM  

you're also leaving out the interest rate and down payment issue. The biggest hurdle to buying has always been the down payment. Saving up 20% for a down payment was impossible in the 70s or very nearly so. On top of that you have an interest rate that went from the low 8s in the early 70s all the way up 18% in the early 80s. Imagine paying 18% on a house note. Interest rate effects your payment in extreme ways. a few points here and there and you've almost doubled your payment.

Blogger justaguy May 11, 2019 12:32 PM  

On doctors telling their kids not to be doctors: maybe because with the socialized medicine taking over, being a doctor is not nearly as lucrative as it used to be. Most practices I know have to limit how many medicare and medicaid patients they take in. Just like hospitals (which are non-profits), they have to have a balanced client list of the actual insurance patients who pay more than the government programs. Doctors used to make big $. Now, I'm not so sure. Congress is taking the $ for its free medical care out of the doctor's pockets. If we end up with totally socialized medicine, the doctors will no longer be the top/smart ones, but poorly paid hack bureaucrats. Look to Canada, UK, Cuba or any other place where the government provides all healthcare.

Blogger justaguy May 11, 2019 12:42 PM  

On the idea of a person 1SD+ going to a top state school-- they are not nearly as much as the ivy/elites. But yes I am only talking about the top 10% of a cohort. Part of my idea is that it is idiotic for someone who is only in the top 30% to go to college unless very cheaply.

Cheap formula: lots of AP classes so have 1 semester to 1 year credits form high school/ Then go to community college under the programs that the state schools guarantee entry if certain grades are kept, attend maybe 1 1/2 years at university and graduate with a degree and some, but basically little debt. Use the degree as the credential as it is likely useless anyway.

Too many studies show that too many kids actually get their thinking skills disabled in college from the solid propaganda and need to simply repeat the propaganda back-- instead of actually learning something. This isn't the kid's fault - the colleges don't even teach the basics anymore (Western civ, proper writing, how to think) as far as I can tell.

Trade school looks good though. At a community college, get a 2 year program instead of a 4 year apprenticeship and start working. Look at Murray's discussion in "Real Education" about if an average guy would be better/happier being a low paid admin guy or doing something with his hands.

Blogger justaguy May 11, 2019 12:47 PM  

Nate, on buying a house: I think I addressed the construction industry being killed as a good job now do to the illegal immigrants. So probably not a good comparison. But you point is well taken, the price of housing near cities has increased far far faster than that of wages for blue collar workers. I think mainly due to unwise immigration, but also to the upsizing to mcmansion status. As part of a change though, there really weren't many non-prime loans then, while there are plenty of other opportunities now. I think the % of the US owning a home isn't that much different from 1970 to now-- is it?

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 11, 2019 2:11 PM  

Okay, so Nate is comfortable going $220K into debt, losing a decade on school, and all that follows from that. Justaguy is willing to sacrifice all the 'connections' and high-end education from a good school. But can we at least talk about what is being lost? Normal people, here in the real world, are having problems thinking this way.

Like I said, real doctors, genuinely capable, smart people- top of their profession, award-winners, if you're keeping track that way- healthy, safe patients- are telling their children, who grew up in the family business more or less- to NOT.GO.TO.MEDICAL.SCHOOL.

I am not a doctor. I am a patient. I have a family. We rely on doctors for some scary medical issues. Because everything is so upside-down right now, there are young men who could be working those 80-100 hour doctor weeks being pushed out of consideration in favor of 85-95 IQ women, or 115 white women who will want work-life balance and only work 20 hours.......none of this is good for society overall, and none of it is good for us, specifically. You are arguing that less- well-trained, less-educated, and less bright is going to get us even farther along?

As for college: Look, it's not just information. It's also where most people meet their spouse- assortative mating, and make their connections, and oh, yeah, learn stuff. There's the Ivies, collecting unsuitable exotic specimens. Harvard, a preacher's college ! actively discriminates against Christian young men from rural states (ie, the most likely to be the smartest young men in America) who are also more likely to be core America- family here before the Revolution, much less the Civil War. Does this sound good to you? Normal?

The pipeline for running the government, high appointments, is the Ivy League. Why on earth are second-tier brains from foreign families, hostile to indifferent to American ways, filling the pipeline to power? It's been done before: Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine. Absolutely nobody should wish this on America. It should be a ash-heaps of history idea, one so bad that everyone forgets it.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2019 2:55 PM  

"Okay, so Nate is comfortable going $220K into debt, losing a decade on school, and all that follows from that. Justaguy is willing to sacrifice all the 'connections' and high-end education from a good school. But can we at least talk about what is being lost? Normal people, here in the real world, are having problems thinking this way. "

That's because I'm not bad at math.. and you clearly are.

My wife is an anesthesiologist. She makes more in a month than the average American makes all year. In fact she makes more in a month than the average college grad with a 4 year degree makes in a year.

Saying that medical school is a bad deal right is flat out stupid.

Blogger sammibandit May 11, 2019 3:45 PM  

Nate is batting 100.

@Ariadne, tbh I'm a bit miffed you're worried over your relation's career advice. Shxt or get off the pot. What are you expecting to get out of this conversation?

I just can't move myself to care about $200K debt that can easily be paid off with a smidge of business sense. Do you want the prestige or the training? Your relation could go into radiology, anastesiology, heck even midwifery and herbology or large animal veterinary if they really want to help people.

Blogger justaguy May 11, 2019 4:14 PM  

#120 Who says a state school isn't a good school. Of the 50-60 top universities for an initial degree, many of them are state schools. Each state tends to have a very good top school. Now, yes one doesn't get the Ivy connections, but a middle class smartee isn't going to get them anyway. A few time people have put out the requirements just to get an interview for big financial jobs-- they are spectacularly hard. Less than 1% of a cohort is going to have the smarts and will have to work very hard. (Note many of the cognitive elite do not work overly hard in college). For these "I've made it" jobs, yes quite a few are reserved for the super rich (over $30M) but it is only a few.

For most people, they need to find post HS training that fits their abilities and the first thing that most of these students and their parents fail is accurately assessing where their kids fall in their kid's cohort. Good direction starts there. I always recommend to parents that they only look at schools where their kid will be in the top 25% of the school based on the SAT ranges and average given-- and if engineering or physics-- 25% for those in those majors. Why would one want to place their kid in a place where they are below average compared to their piers. The mismatch effect has a butal impact on young college kids.

So yes, I write off college for 70% of America as useless. It the bottom 70% wants the credential-- do it cheap and make sure that they learn something useful. Example: an average kid, maybe top of 2nd quintile or bottom of third-- gets college cheap in criminal justice and works toward being a police officer. Credential is nice and helps to get in and get promoted and actually, maybe useful to a job. Fill in your own, but the US needs to be more like Germany and get rid of this college obsession especially as it has become obvious that for most, college is merely a propaganda and hedonistic event, warping the youth when they should be molded.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 11, 2019 4:22 PM  

Okay, so your wife is female? as I was saying............

Now do pediatricians, or family practice doctors. That's less than $200k/year, on average. Most people see pediatricians or family practice doctors. I have four children. I can count the actual face to face with MDs routine visits my children have had on one hand. The doctors are mostly supervising physican assistants and nurse practitioners. Thank God there are emergency room doctors. My child has ended up in the hospital after going to the PA four times in two months(everything is fine!) and my husband insisting we go to the emergency room. My husband is not a doctor. The same PA/ dr combo missed a bone growth issue on another child (everything is fine!) and the child had to have surgery, rather than just getting a brace for six months. Her mother had been asking for years about this one funny little thing. That's the thing: most people are okay. We pay for the "funny little thing" training.

Or, say, me seizing and nearly dying: I know who got the IV going: it was the white guy finding an almost collapsed vein. Not the five female nurses. I know who checked on me that night, too. One relied on screens at the nurses' station. One came into the room to check me, every hour. White men are the workhorses that make everything go. Or the emotional trained nurses, who'd all tell me about their miscarriages while I'm in the hospital for difficulties: I have no idea what the private life of my doctor is like. He's a professional.

Now add 'hostile elite' sort of stuff. I was older, wanted one more child. When I mention this to a female, Indian, immigrant doctor, I got "No you don't. Children are a pain." So, I a non-doctor- have to resort to online, non-medical women doing 'self-hacking' most of which has some really nasty side effects. If I'd had a regular family practice doctor, I could have gotten some reassurance and an in-network referral. I know this because one of the sports medicine visits for one son was with a regular white guy doctor who happened to be a late-in-life baby himself, and knows bureaucratic paperwork-fu.

Rregular doctors, parents of regular teenage boys, are telling their boys to go be an EMT, a nurse practitioner, a military med-tech, literally anything other than medical doctor. These are my sons' friends. I've been to the awards banquets: smart, healthy, ambitious young men are being told to not climb all the usual ladders of success. EMTs are good, nurses are good, but they aren't "finest," most educated, most able to logic out things. The nurses' aren't required to learn calculus, statistics or intense organic chemistry: they can be lied to with statistics. They can't sort it out; they aren't trained to sort it out.

I am glad you are in some element of abundance. Here in the regular world: doctors aren't making millions of dollars checking babies. There are old diseases coming in in the lungs of illegal immigrant children. They cough on the children already here, because they get mixed into regular schools without warning. Veteran teachers are getting sick,too. It's not just pediatrics that is such a big third world adventure.


I don't know what the solution will be: it might be race realism, and getting every white Appalachian high school kid licensed as an EMT in high school: it works in the German-majority sections of Texas. It might be accepting our new Chinse overlords, learning to eat bugs, and fifty people living in each McMansion as 'co-housing.' Some people do that in San Francisco: coders put tats of their co-housing, co-working jobs on themselves. It might be a war with Elon Musk fire-throwing machines versus Boston Dynamics robots, with betting, shown on live TV. Whatever it is, I want it to be as clean, as competent, and as ambitious and happy as the 1950s or 1980s were for the majority of Americans.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2019 6:08 PM  

"Now do pediatricians, or family practice doctors. That's less than $200k/year, on average"

you generally have to be an idiot to be a pediatrician or to go into family practice today. But that was also true as far back as the 1990s. My wife originally wanted to be a pediatrician and in medical school they explained to her that if she did that she would starve to death because she'd never make enough to pay the staff in the office.

Its slightly better now but its still terrible.


Also..you're in correct. Most people see ER doctors. next is surgeons. Pediatricians and family medicine docs are supposed to be the front lines but virtually no one actually uses them. People just go to the er or call a surgeon for consultation.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 11, 2019 7:30 PM  

Wow, just wow? What can I say? You are blithely poolside while a regular feature of American life- competent frontline medical care is being wiped out, or dumbed down to dangerous levels for regular, normal, middle-class Americans?

#122, I am not going to medical school. My children are not going to medical school. Their various friends, whose parents are doctors, are also not going to medical school, despite showing aptitude, interest, and ability b/c it has been made so distasteful a life choice.

This whole thing started with how the Boomers funded any number of socially toxic trends, worldwide- basically destroying 'the commons'- and someone other than Mr Day wrote about the future: we don't know what it will be like, but it won't be like the long shadow reign of the Boomers.

Blogger justaguy May 11, 2019 8:04 PM  

Ariadne: The issue with being a doctor in today's world, not the 1960s, is the socialized medicine where the government forces you to accept patients but doesn't pay you much for their care. Again see # 117. Blame the Dems, or blame the Boomers-- but what was a high paying job for the cognitive elite has been taken over by the government by the little the government is willing to pay for those they make you treat. So yes doctors are paying for a social good by not being able to even make enough to pay their staff...What else do you expect from government. Oh yes, now let us add making the doctors use electronic medical records which due to cronyism is very expensive, takes too much doctor time and doesn't work well. Of course every year or two there is a mandatory upgrade for tens $K.

You can blame the Boomers if you want. Medicare and medicaid by the Greatest generation, and Obamacare by the genX. Boomers didn't fix it so yeah the Boomers fault. I think that anyone who ever voted D- like most doctors-- they are to blame.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 12, 2019 12:39 PM  

"Ariadne: The issue with being a doctor in today's world, not the 1960s, is the socialized medicine where the government forces you to accept patients but doesn't pay you much for their care."

DING! A melange of this and other dynamics. When I see normal doctors having to go in for 30+ hour shifts, I know something's retarded-wrong with that picture. That's not healthy. That's not even safe for them or their patients. Seriously, what the hell? The only way this sort of system can even exist is via artificial and intentional bottlenecks that someone on the financial and/or regulatory side of things is setting up, and I'm convinced it's a mix of gov/insurance/management/pharma.

Here's the problem with Nate's side of things: So, are we just supposed to not have any pediatricians or family doctors then? I mean, it's nice to just say, "oh, you'd have to be stupid to do that", but the reality is that it's still a field, and someone has to do it as long as it's considered part of your complete medical breakfast.

Blogger sammibandit May 12, 2019 1:25 PM  

Ariadne, this stuff happens all the time to people. Your family isn't the first to have problems with the family trade. Be glad the state didn't seize your children and send them to orphanages because 4 is just too many (post war Germany), seize your factory and force a position in the war machine or a bullet (WWII Austria under Germany), seize your farm and try to kill you and your employees for being too friendly with Poles (WWII Poland under Germany). This stuff is in living memory. And it's in the past. Your family has it very good by comparison.

Middle class life or working class life isn't horrible. It's actually cool to be around regular folks with your nose to the ground. I have friends descended from Pomeranian and Polish nobility working in construction. I work in a retail shop. My friend whose relatives were seized in Germany works as a theatre usher and one of his relatives who was seized is now a nurse running an orphanage herself.

What you do is pick up where you left off knowing that in several generations time your family will return to the mean. Money can't buy class and your family will always carry an air of classiness whatever position they take. Get over it.

Blogger sammibandit May 12, 2019 2:17 PM  

>Here's the problem with Nate's side of things: So, are we just supposed to not have any pediatricians or family doctors then? I mean, it's nice to just say, "oh, you'd have to be stupid to do that", but the reality is that it's still a field, and someone has to do it as long as it's considered part of your complete medical breakfast.

What did people do before Allopathic care developed? They went to midwives and herbologists and only to the surgeon as a last resort. We're likely looking at returning to that. Midwifery is booming quietly.

One of my customers adopted a native boy because his family discarded him. This boy, prior to being adopted, got flesh eating disease all over his hairline and neck from laying down on a cot at a children's hospital. He is scarred for life. Whatever you can do to avoid going to hospital is wise.

Blogger liberranter May 12, 2019 2:53 PM  

The doctors are mostly supervising physican assistants and nurse practitioners. Thank God there are emergency room doctors. My child has ended up in the hospital after going to the PA four times in two months(everything is fine!) and my husband insisting we go to the emergency room. My husband is not a doctor. The same PA/ dr combo missed a bone growth issue on another child (everything is fine!) and the child had to have surgery, rather than just getting a brace for six months. Her mother had been asking for years about this one funny little thing. That's the thing: most people are okay. We pay for the "funny little thing" training.

Those of us who live close to the southern border are blessed to be able to drive over it into El Sur and get first-rate, very affordable medical and dental care without any of the bureaucratic, stasi, PC BS that is rendering medicina estadounidense more and more lethal with every passing day.

My question for "the Establishment" is this: how is it that a nation supposedly full of filthy, desperate, semi-literate peasants fleeing a collapsing narcostate can have within their borders a functioning healthcare system that puts our "superior First World" system to shame? Honestly, I'm embarrassed by some of the stories I've had to tell my Mexican dentist and vascular surgeon as they've repaired the botched jobs done by their inept and overcompensated Gringo counterparts.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 12, 2019 6:43 PM  

Thank you for your kind thoughts, sammibandit.

My family, however, is not the one with the issues with medical school. My sons' friends' parents are doctors; not us.

We have lived in poor areas of a diverse, progressive city. That's where my observations about what poor children endure are from. Now we live in a small town that is famous for not being interested in being diverse. The founding families tend to be stable, multi-generational families. The two areas and peoples tend to be different, and very different in their approaches to quite literally everything. The stable area approximates what America was like for everyone pretty much through the 1980s.

I am so very sorry that your family has had to endure such horrors and hardships. The state arbitrarily taking away children, the shoddy medical care, the squalid hospitals. America, however, didn't go through the devastation of full one war. There really isn't any reason we should inflict such horrors on ourselves voluntarily.

Blogger sammibandit May 12, 2019 8:31 PM  

You're very kind, Ariadne. Sorry for misreading. Being in a small town that is diverse averse is probably the best place to be right now.

Blogger OneWingedShark May 13, 2019 1:58 PM  

Job La Salle wrote:Nate is right. Millennials are garbage. Half of my generation is ruined and most of the rest are too wounded to ever live normal lives.
This is what makes it so sad and, I think, makes the crap dished out to a lot of the Millennials both uncompassionate and [arguably] unjust — the advent of "adulting" and being untaught with things like basic cooking and sewing (I would add automotive-repair/-maintenance here, but autos are getting so ill-engineered that sometimes you need an engine-lift to do an oil-change) proves just how ill-prepared for life they've been as a whole — previous generations failed them and failed them hard.

I think a lot of this is an extension of the Boomer antipathy towards training: you know the attitude, the one where they view training as only an expense, tiresome and requiring effort the management-class will never personally and directly see the benefit from.

There's also the bad leadership I've seen in military and civilian companies: the demand for respect and/or loyalty without giving any.

Our childhood was like walking through a field of land mines. Fatherlessness, SSRIs, being expelled for fighting bullies, shitty advice ('Don't study math, son.'), homosexual propaganda, sexual equality lies, racial equality lies, student loans… Basically everyone was wounded by something.
Yep. What you're describing is essentially the institutionalization of Catch-22/no-win situations… a giant life-lesson teaching learned helplessness.

What makes us pathetic is that most gave in to the brainwashing. The rest of us want to stack skulls.
Gen Z are the counter-boomers. They are hungry for the truth.

I, for one, am glad to hear this about Gen Z.
I'm not so sure about "most of us" giving in to the brainwashing; it seems that there's more who are just tired, worn-out, wearied and concerned with trying to keep from sinking than who have just rolled-over. — Taking a look at Maslow's hierarchy, it looks like as-a-generation Millennials have little to no assurance with the Safety level: employment [concerted replacement via H1b & illegal immigration], resources [anemic, due to chronic underemployment], health [the whole Obamacare BS], property [anemic, due to employment and loans], morality [the continual ever-changing narrative, which can easily threaten employment], family [torn to shreds by courts, churchian impotence, and feminism].

Blogger sammibandit May 13, 2019 9:34 PM  

>Why fix it if you can pay someone to fix it?

- Millennial, Spoiled, also has no money except the Ma&Pa account

This is exactly why black pilling sucks. Instead of exposing oneself to uncomfortable things the black piller exposes others to uncomfortable things. Why? To transfer discomfort. Don't do that. Trust me.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 8:49 AM  

"What did people do before Allopathic care developed?"

That is an acceptable answer. Do away with the discipline entirely.

This is my point. You either retract consideration of those disciplines as part of professional medicine, or they have to be paid reasonably for their outset. If you do neither, your consideration is delusional. Words for things that don't exist.

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