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Wednesday, May 29, 2019

The end of liberalism

Pat Buchanan explains why liberalism is dying now that it has set itself against nationalism:
Liberalism appears to be losing its appeal. A majority in the world’s largest democracy, India, consciously used their democratic right to vote — to advance sectarian and nationalist ends.

Why is liberalism fading away, and nationalism ascendant?

The former is an idea that appeals to the intellect; the latter, rooted in love of family, faith, tribe and nation, is of the heart. In its potency to motivate men, liberalism is to nationalism what near beer is to Bombay gin.

To be a proud Pole, Hungarian, Italian or Scotsman has a greater grip on men’s love, loyalty and allegiance than to be a citizen of Europe.

“Whoever speaks of Europe is wrong,” said Bismarck. Europe is but “a geographical expression.”

Identity politics, people identifying themselves by their ethnicity, nationality, race, culture and faith, appears to be the world’s future.
And good riddance too. Good riddance to liberalism, to conservatism, and to all the abstract ideologies that accomplish nothing more than to rationalize and imperialize evil. Nationalism, ideally Christian nationalism, is the optimal way forward for men of every nation.

Meanwhile, the liberal imperialists are attempting to criminalize love of one's country... in the soldiery.

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Blogger Stilicho May 29, 2019 1:08 PM  

Re: criminalizing patriotism among the military-- what a great way to ensure that no one is left in the ranks who will fight to defend the nation, that their loyalty extends only as far as their paycheck, that any courage in battle will be rare and only the result of self defense, and last, but not least and certainly unintended, that martial patriots are wholly outside govt control.

Blogger tuberman May 29, 2019 1:30 PM  

" Good riddance to liberalism, to conservatism, and to all the abstract ideologies that accomplish nothing more than to rationalize and imperialize evil. Nationalism, ideally Christian nationalism, is the optimal way forward for men of every nation."

Yep, the unintended results of Identity Politics will be to remind people of the true ties, and real foundations.

Blogger John Best. May 29, 2019 1:36 PM  

The globalist state is dying, the nations are once again rising. With that evil is being push back and light is being shone on it. The nations are much smaller than people think and the state is imperialists forcing the nations together and trying to destroy them.

Blogger Azimus May 29, 2019 1:46 PM  

"And good riddance too."

I cannot disagree that a world in which ten random neighbors have ten incompatible views on everything is a world of loneliness, high anxiety, corruption, and distrust. I look forward to when the communities that have self-policed and self-censored themselves out of existence can be restored, and "neighborhood" means something more than pointing you to the right building covenants...

I do fear what the road to get there looks like, however. Not for myself as much as my children.

Blogger Johnny May 29, 2019 2:02 PM  

Along with the other stuff, what they call liberalism has become more radical and dysfunctional.

Blogger Damn Crackers May 29, 2019 2:11 PM  

Yoram Hazony said in his Twitter: "Locke never had children. Neither did Descartes, Hobbes, Spinoza, or Kant. Rousseau had children but gave them all up for adoption. In other words, Enlightenment rationalism was the construction of men who had no real experience of family life or what it takes to make it work."

I am sure some of the commentators here can find counter-examples, but he does make the case that Enlightenment rationalism is merely an "abstract ideology" of men uninterested in family formation.

Blogger Akulkis May 29, 2019 2:13 PM  

maybe someone can get Francis Fukashima to write a book about how his fellow ideologues are on the wrong side of the end of history.

Blogger D Zniger May 29, 2019 2:18 PM  

Unrelated -
I came back from a longer trip and just sat down to enjoy some Darkstreams with peanutflips and beer and saw in my search results some videos from some guys who are calling Vox Teddy Spaghetti. I clicked to see what is behind, but gave up watching after realizing it is some guys videochat lovefest.
Can someone bring me up to speed what is the problem of these morons?

Blogger The CronoLink May 29, 2019 2:46 PM  

Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
the people whom He has chosen as His heritage!
Psalms 33:12

We will never be ashamed nor deny He who freed us and reborn us into a new Nation.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 29, 2019 3:23 PM  

It's going to be interesting watching the elites try desperately to save their constructs, in as much as they are the ones that said nothing is beyond scrutiny or replacement.

I suspect they will simply retreat into places where they can exercise autocratic power with impunity.

Blogger Mr Smith May 29, 2019 3:41 PM  

Liberals (aka Libertarians) are nuts. Popehat hat is now threatening people to make sure drag-queens read to children at public libraries.
https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1133772399743295488?s=09

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2019 3:45 PM  

Imagine if they cared 1% as much about who they let into their country as what kind of opinion their soldiers hold on the subject of political correctness or whatever.

That whole idea of openness and tolerance, free exchange of ideas, and so forth promised by liberalism I think most people always knew was a lie. I think. Hard to tell with many, of course, because they are to a degree programmable, as mocked by the NPC meme. Central to liberalism was always a massive amount of dishonesty. Dishonesty at every levek, because no one was ever going to allow decisions to be drawn college dormroom bull-session-style. Communism, fascism, etc. are comforting alternatives to some simply because they're straightforward about "sit down, shut up, I'm right, you agree or you die." Even if obviously both regimes spend enormous time and resources on propaganda.

Nationalism, patriotism, or what one might call Looking Out for Your Own Kind is relatively honest. It has vast reservoirs of meaning stretching back centuries. It has all this material our civilization has built up over time. John Stuart Mill dryly working things out for himself then begging our attention and trying to convince us appears foolish by comparison.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2019 3:57 PM  

@6- I won't make counterexamples so much as point out you'll find great men of intellect in many fields to have been unfruitful, not merely political philosophers of the Enlightenment era. You also find the same thing with Romantic counter-Enlightenment philosophers like Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.

Take Bach and Beethoven, for instance. Bach was highly productive of children, and talented children what's more. (Two of them are still household names in the world of classical music.) That was the Baroque era. Despite Bach's personal popularity it is not the best loved era today.

Beethoven is of the Enlightenment era and is massively popular, obviously. He was famously unfruitful. They made a whole movie out of the fact that he never found love. But you can't find coldness and inhumanity in his work, I don't think. It's full of passion and devotion, and perfectly suited to family life of you want to think of it that way.

Blogger Joeplanet May 29, 2019 4:04 PM  

@1 Talk about planting the seeds of one's own destruction.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 29, 2019 4:06 PM  

To quote Montgomery Burns:

"If only we'd listened to that boy, instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven."

Blogger Jeroth May 29, 2019 4:20 PM  

"The card does not suggest that all patriots are extremists"

Yet it does sounds like they are suggesting all extremists are patriots. Interesting.

Blogger SidVic May 29, 2019 4:24 PM  

Man, i wish Buchanan had been successful in his run for president. My affection for the guy increases ridiculously.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 29, 2019 4:26 PM  

@Damn Crackers

So the phenomenon of childless globalists is by no means new...

Blogger CM May 29, 2019 4:38 PM  

Intellect is only attractive once the necessities of stability are secure - and family (with nation as the extension) is one of the primary ways of securing that stability.

So where we introduce instability, intellect's importance disappears.

Blogger Mark Stoval May 29, 2019 5:17 PM  

"Man, i wish Buchanan had been successful in his run for president. My affection for the guy increases ridiculously."

I did everything a nobody like myself could do for him back then. He was our last hope in my view at that time. I have never changed my mind either -- unfortunately.

Blogger Alphaeus May 29, 2019 5:22 PM  

The problem with "liberalism" is that it is not liberal. It is totalitarian communism. So it's not necessary to suppose that "ideology" as such is being rejected, but that a stupid evil & bat excrement crazy ideology is being resisted with alternative ideologies called Nationalism and Christianity and Free Enterprise Capitalism based on Private Property Rights not just for the rich but also for the common masses. Liberal Communism as inspired by the Marquis de Sade and Adam Weishaupt wanted to overthrow and annihilate the previous ideologies just mentioned, but because it is stupid evil and bat excrement crazy it is failing, thank God Almighty.

I think this proves that ideas are important, not that ideas are not important. I will admit that the best ideas are more than just abstract ideas, however, because it is true that humans are more than just abstractions.

Blogger ZhukovG May 29, 2019 5:25 PM  

Nationalism; the sublime state of a man in harmony with Nature and Nature's God.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2019 5:28 PM  

@11- The idea of a "conservative libertarian" snapping back with "fascist!" and the veiled threat of violence at the simple suggestion that we reorient society to the moral law is frankly a tad boring given the sort of things people say on the internet daily. However, it still surprises me. Because I've read loads of libertarian stuff, and fighting against the restriction of who gets to talk to children in public buildings is really not high on their agenda, and isn't the best way to identify creeping fascism.

Blogger Garuna May 29, 2019 5:46 PM  

Locke never had children. Neither did Descartes, Hobbes, Spinoza, or Kant. Rousseau had children but gave them all up for adoption. In other words, Enlightenment rationalism was the construction of men who had no real experience of family life or what it takes to make it work

I wonder if they were sodomites and their childlessness was a symptom of it. Rather than practical vs. abstract, If the real root of the movement is "sodomites against Christian morality", it explains why the fruits are so rotten and evil.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd May 29, 2019 5:57 PM  

Followed to its logical conclusion, this means that the armed forces of the government eventually become a mercenary army of occupation and an enemy to the nation whose flag they supposedly serve under.... I wonder what happens after that?! Lol

Blogger Avalanche May 29, 2019 6:02 PM  

@8 "Can someone bring me up to speed what is the problem of these morons?"

Uh, they're morons?

About covers it?

Blogger Avalanche May 29, 2019 6:04 PM  

@10 "I suspect they will simply retreat into places where they can exercise autocratic power with impunity."

Oh, those POOR pets! Will no one rescue thore puppies and kitties from them?!

Blogger Zbignu May 29, 2019 6:14 PM  

'To be a proud Pole, Scotsman, Italian, Hungarian.....' yes, I understand that but what does it mean to be an American in 2019??

Blogger Zbignu May 29, 2019 6:17 PM  

'American' in 2019 has to mean something other than the posterity of the founding generation. Not only is that only a few% of the population but they've proven too weak to keep their birthright

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 29, 2019 6:22 PM  

Garuna wrote:I wonder if they were sodomites and their childlessness was a symptom of it. Rather than practical vs. abstract, If the real root of the movement is "sodomites against Christian morality", it explains why the fruits are so rotten and evil.
At least Descartes publicly professed Christianity.
The 'Enlightenment' was an academic movement with the goal of divorcing Philosophy from Theology. Since that is impossible, all of mainstream Philosophy since has been literally insane, and concerned, no, obsessed, with the question of "What does "true" mean?"

Blogger Kristophr May 29, 2019 6:39 PM  

off topic:

Was this Bob Mueller?
https://t.co/FH3k5PwpZK

Blogger Gettimothy May 29, 2019 6:44 PM  

I like the term "Judaizing" from E.M. Jones and the Christians who invented the word.

The West is Judaized. Christendom is not.

Hence, us; we are Christians in a judaized polity and we will never be subjugated to it.

#NoFear

Blogger ZhukovG May 29, 2019 6:48 PM  

@Zbignu: Your question is a good one, currently there is no 'tidy' answer. This is why the United States is in such great peril right now.

In the coming years to decades, the United States will break up and reform into a number of Nation-States. Fifty to one hundred million people will likely perish during this upheaval.

Exactly what the United States and Canada will look like in fifty years is anybody's guess. But, we can perhaps gain some clues by examining the various potential nations that exist now.

Some examples would be Southrons, Texans, Rural New Englanders, Mormons, Quebecois and others.

If I may offer advice. If you have reasonable prospects in any location outside North America. I would take my family and go pursue them.

Blogger Barbarossa May 29, 2019 6:48 PM  

I think idealistic liberalism has been dead for some time. When I was a kid, it was UN this and UN that. "U Thant is the man!" "All Hail, Dag Hammarskjold!" Quick! Without looking it up, who's the head of the UN? I have no idea and hardly does anyone else. The ideal is dead, but it doesn't stop the bastards from trying to loot the treasury in the name of said liberalism.

Anonymous Anonymous May 29, 2019 6:52 PM  

“To be a proud Pole, Scotsman, Italian, Hungarian.....' yes, I understand that but what does it mean to be an American in 2019??”

In 2019 it means being a gay black woman because American identity has been completely destroyed.

For new identity to emerge it will require making several new nations.

Stop worrying about how to find the perfect definition of American and just find a community of people that like you and have their back. Odds are you’re standing in the birthplace of a post American nation.

Blogger Kristophr May 29, 2019 6:57 PM  

>Uh, they're morons?
>
>About covers it?

Gammas who are failing at creating memes. Ignore them, and they will beg for attention elsewhere.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 29, 2019 6:58 PM  

"The West is Judaized. Christendom is not."

Aside from the Hal Lindsey types who are extremely attached to Israel.

Blogger Lovekraft May 29, 2019 7:03 PM  

Canadian. Can confirm. Boomers dying off leaves only the few zealots and their voter purse puppies and shakedown racketeers. Everyone else despises Trudeau. What the boomers leave behind will be soured discourse, enmity and vindictiveness. Their inability to relay their ideas is also a major factor in their demise.

Blogger Fargoth May 29, 2019 7:11 PM  

Liberalism in 1969: One love, tune in, tune out, etc.

Liberalism in 2019: "I tried LSD for my social anxiety, but I still want to cut my cock off!"

Blogger Lovekraft May 29, 2019 7:21 PM  

Another old stalwart, Rush Limbaugh, on the impeding declassification storm:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/05/28/washington-scared-to-death-by-trumps-declassification-order/

on the media, he writes: "every damn story had a 13th paragraph in which they acknowledge that what was in the story couldn’t be proved or corroborated but it was only a matter of time before the walls would be closing in on Donald Trump"

Blogger Gettimothy May 29, 2019 7:25 PM  

@37 "Aside from the Hal Lindsey types who are extremely attached to Israel."

Subtle point and well taken. There are a lot more to add to that list besides HL.

Do they matter?

No.

God is a Sigma;

cheers.





Blogger Zbignu May 29, 2019 7:44 PM  

I'll take Southrons for 1000 Alex. Seriously though, even the south is seriously converged. Anyone been to Atlanta lately? The savahea run rampant. There are Somali communities in New England. This breakup, when/if it comes is going to make the civil war look like a bb gun fight.

Blogger sammibandit May 29, 2019 7:44 PM  

Some wiseacre on the OP comment section noted that since the military force is entirely voluntary that all members are patriots. Even the Sikhs though not Christian are patriots. I might be paranoid but this smells as much like getting rid of Johnny as it does Satindar. Sikhs dislike muslims in some ways more than Christians.

Blogger Toris May 29, 2019 7:46 PM  

Barbarossa, the memories!

U Thant and Ruth Forbes Young. Was always about "Peace". Just another friendly "peace society" 2.0. Ruth's ancestors, descendents, friends even. Interesting children. Even more interesting in-laws. Just a harmless old lady creating another benign sounding International PEACE Institute (they used to run out of words to fit around 'peace', you see).

(Oh yes, and they just sincerely loved the rabble so much they befriended Lee out of pure compassion). Oops.

Blogger Ahărôwn May 29, 2019 8:09 PM  

Canadian leaders are becoming more nationalistic too:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5320262/green-party-alberta-foreign-oil/?fbclid=IwAR309hp91u_nu_O2FPRzrO0of8Ap31qV8-Q_B98rGxEN0bJgP9H0q4JuXec

Fascinating, really.

Blogger Jon Jackson May 29, 2019 8:37 PM  

How does a Finn become a British patriot?

Blogger cecilhenry May 29, 2019 9:10 PM  

China deploys Confucius in bid to boost religion controls

None of that 'diversity' for China. The Chinese want to make it THEIRS.

A lesson for the West.


https://apnews.com/14e9ccf4af134e74b6220e27342afc2a

Blogger Crew May 29, 2019 9:17 PM  

Wikipedia is trying to define Christian Identity in the most negative way possible!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

Blogger SciVo May 29, 2019 9:20 PM  

D Zniger wrote:Can someone bring me up to speed what is the problem of these morons?

As with the manic pixie dream girl, we're not really sure. But we suspect severe mental retardation.

Lovekraft wrote:What the boomers leave behind will be soured discourse, enmity and vindictiveness. Their inability to relay their ideas is also a major factor in their demise.

The Boomers' "ideas" were all perversions of Western Civ, even including that vapid Frankenstein's monster called "American Buddhism." But they hated the wisdom they received (especially the Bible) and refused to pass it on, so they were intellectual mules, unable to reproduce themselves.

Blogger xevious2030 May 29, 2019 9:34 PM  

Zbignu. Posterity does not mean pure. And the fat lady has not sung. Hard times, good times, they come, they go. It is as it was, only more dangerous.

Blogger  Trust Ted get misled. Gamma secret kings reddit May 29, 2019 9:36 PM  

My father has Pat's older works dating over 20 to 20 years ago, in perfect print shape. Like a hardback gaming guide cared for and maintained never left to tatters.

Patriarchal Christian nationalism is a women's last hope: Christ, family, being well, healthy and protected from the sneer and snare of evil times that are detrimental (murderous) to humanity and highly dyscivic.

Today I heard the latest inversion of the Cross: a nationwide heard pop station featuring the wicked modern pop music to tell the world their latest lie; "single childless women are happy and content" - yeah they are totally defenseless.

Culture shock never ends in America.

Liberalism and conservatism failed to save the womens bathroom (a daily meme of the host), both L and C are lethal with the history to reflect it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 29, 2019 9:40 PM  

Crew wrote:Wikipedia is trying to define Christian Identity in the most negative way possible!
What they are talking about is the 'Christian Identity Movement', which is an heretical offshoot of the British Israelite movement. The phrase itself is a self-appellation of the sort of morons who want to claim that the Anglos-Saxons are the actual descendants of the tribes of Israel.
This meaning is contemporaneous with the Skinhead movement of the 1970s and long predates our current predicament.

Blogger ZhukovG May 29, 2019 9:41 PM  

@Zbignu: Yes, this time around we burn Atlanta ourselves. Probably a few other choice locations as well.

And yes, what's coming will be a mess. That's why so many will die and probably an equal number will flee to other parts of the world.

When the dust settles, I expect the population of the USA and Canada to be no more than half what it is now.

Blogger Lazarus May 29, 2019 9:48 PM  

D Zniger wrote:Can someone bring me up to speed what is the problem of these morons?

Moronism

Blogger OneWingedShark May 29, 2019 10:04 PM  

Zbignu wrote:yes, I understand that but what does it mean to be an American in 2019??
That you should be praying, and praying hard: America was born by prayer and God's providence — it can only be saved by such.

Blogger Dave Dave May 29, 2019 10:17 PM  

https://archive.fo/mdf6p
They are killing Assange so he won't be able to leak any more information.

Blogger S1AL May 29, 2019 10:29 PM  

"In the coming years to decades, the United States will break up and reform into a number of Nation-States. Fifty to one hundred million people will likely perish during this upheaval."

I'm really curious as to where people get numbers like these. Almost a third of the population will die? Really? Based on what precedent?

Blogger cecilhenry May 29, 2019 10:34 PM  

I never expected to see this stated so brazenly:

Here is Pat Condell, demonstrating the BIG difference between Western Pro-European, and 'Judeo-Christian' values:


https://i.imgur.com/QAEdAi0.png


Clear to see. Don't forget the difference.

Blogger Crew May 29, 2019 10:50 PM  

@50:

Rather than being an organized religion, Christian Identity ("CI") is adhered to by individuals, independent congregations and some prison gangs[3] with a white supremacist theology

OK, so it is White Supremacist and somehow thinks the Jews are the bestest!

Blogger sammibandit May 29, 2019 11:25 PM  

@Crew, being top leaving on the pile of goy to serve the chosenites is still supremacist from that viewpoint.

Aside, I wonder if Hebrew has an equivalent for abdi, which means slave and black/African in Arabic.

Blogger xevious2030 May 29, 2019 11:49 PM  

S1AL. Huge economic collapse. How many urban, how many rural? Old and infirmed? Dependent on pharmaceuticals to fight regular diseases. Just in time supply. Sewage, water, flies, resistance. The numbers start adding up pretty quickly. And that's before any shooting.

Blogger Monotonous Languor May 30, 2019 1:04 AM  

Ideologies that came out of the Enlightenment were always a massive bait-and-switch.

Note how the intent of the EU morphed from its inception to today: It was sold to the rubes as a confederation of independent nations that could help streamline economic transactions between them. Now the EU is exposed as a totalitarian command-and-control structure ensconced in Brussels. There's no longer any attempt to hide it from the economic units, who are brainwashed to be ashamed of their respective cultures, throw away their nations, think only approved thoughts, and bow down to the wise bureaucrats in the Tower of Babel.

SJWs/leftists/liberals/progressives/globalists always lie.

Blogger eclecticme May 30, 2019 1:33 AM  

This IS on topic. It made me think about nationalism. I came across some youtube guy Indigo traveler who travels through different countries and makes videos. His personality grates on me and his videos are good but not great.

He posted some videos from Iran. I know zero about Iran. I watched the videos and thought of what globalism could do to Iran. Franchises could replace long term family owned shops and food sellers. Walmart could throw them out of work and make them wage slaves.

Because of the sanctions MasterCard and Visa do not work there now. Let them in and they could start de-platforming people.

Michael Savage said long ago that the ME countries do not want their daughters turned into sluts like Britney Spears. I thought about that when seeing the women wearing hijabs and little school girls in uniform. It is almost like they have a culture that values something more than cheap stuff and twerking videos.

This one guy has 377K followers and the video below has 500K views. No wonder CNN is doing so poorly.
https://youtu.be/HgEqlOFs56Q?list=PLN0FlxE6vY5BJbDJiGWk0gG00c2E07BSF&t=206

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN0FlxE6vY5BJbDJiGWk0gG00c2E07BSF

Blogger John Rockwell May 30, 2019 5:05 AM  

The thing with being a Sigma is that this can happen:

"These days I’m a taxpaying, home owning citizen, which kind of ruins the whole romantic swashbuckling hero image. But one of the biggest changes is in my status as an Alpha Male. Yep, I’m still an alpha. But while before I was was a wolf among wolves, it is the 400 or so people who look to me these days as a ’clan chief’ that makes me an alpha.

It’s called the "Animal List" and while I was just sitting there -- minding my own business -- something not unlike a Scottish clan developed around me. In case you think I’m practicing either false humility or intentional deception with that ’minding my own business’ statement, I’m not. Even back in the bad old days ’being volunteered’ happened to me. I always felt like a cartoon character. You know the gag -- first, you have a line of huge-chested, he-men, spit and polished soldiers and the commander says "I need a volunteer for (fill in an incredibly dangerous task)." Then the entire line takes one uniformed step back leaving some poor small schmuck -- with his sleeves dangling past his finger tips -- standing out in front as though HE volunteered.

Well I was THAT schmuck! I got volunteered whether I wanted to go or not. And that’s how I became a clan chief. I was so busy helping folks that one day I looked around and realized that I had a whole bunch of VERY competent people who have organized themselves into a clan and are calling me ’chief.’ My outraged roar of "HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!" could be heard over three counties. "

http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/alphablogtwo.htm

Or in the case of Jesus John 6:15
"15Then Jesus, realizing that they were about to come and make Him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by Himself. "

Blogger John Rockwell May 30, 2019 5:05 AM  

@Crew
"
Rather than being an organized religion, Christian Identity ("CI") is adhered to by individuals"

Why do I get in impression they are Wignats with the religious paint?

Blogger ZhukovG May 30, 2019 5:12 AM  

@S1AL: Over 80% of the US population lives in urban areas. I believe the coming troubles will disrupt food deliveries to these areas. As order breaks down, water delivery systems will also break down.

Add in warfare, ethnic cleansing, infectious disease.

It's not farfetched at all. Besides, 50 million is barely over 15% if one uses the lower estimate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 30, 2019 7:17 AM  

Sailer has been saying this in a way, since identity politics or whatever has taken the left like storm troopers the left is regressing into complete idiocy, that not even the "conservatives" can save since their hearts are really not into liberalism. Which is a theme in Hollebeq's novel "Submission" the hapless French conservative party tries to save liberalism and fails spectacularly.

Blogger Nostromo May 30, 2019 9:55 AM  

Wow! Think how much the crime rate will fall, after the centers of cultural enrichment, aka cities, burn in the coming riots. I've got land with fresh spring water, relatives, and we all have guns. MAGA!

Blogger binks webelf May 30, 2019 12:21 PM  

Someone in the Converged Vatican has yet to notice the message.. or they did, but holy double-down seems a good plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCupLRVQ2H0
MORE CATHOLIC THAN FRANCIS: Pope Loses Big in EU Elections

Blogger binks webelf May 30, 2019 1:02 PM  

OT:

For FaceBook, quoting a Nazi makes you a Nazi.

Why am I banned again from FaceBook? math.

https://steynian.wordpress.com/2019/05/30/the-simple-new-math/
The Simple New math

Blogger S1AL May 30, 2019 1:40 PM  

Compare/contrast Spanish Civil War, which was just about the bloodiest civil war in recent memory (at least in any formal country). <10% max estimate of total population killed, and that's in a relatively tiny area and counts all causalities, not just military. The United States is filled with vast empty areas, which completely changes the equation.

See, also, collapse of the USSR.

50 million would be completely unprecedented.

Blogger S1AL May 30, 2019 1:46 PM  

Also, consider the American Civil War death toll. You'd have to argue for a 10x increase in deaths. Even the use of nuclear weapons would be unlikely to produce those kinds of numbers, due to what would happen after.

Blogger Barbarossa May 30, 2019 3:13 PM  

@72 I think you are quite correct to be suspicious of casualty figures just tossed off like that. However, the one reason I do give credence to notions of an ahistorical body toll is that the percentage of the U.S. population over the age of 60 is about 22%, so roughly 70 million based on a population size of 320 million. Any disruption in food, natural gas, electricity and medical access will have a disproportionate impact on that cohort. Even a 25% attrition rate would you get you to about 18 million dead.

Also, I'm not sure the Spanish Civil War is a sufficient analog given the climate. There are large and populous stretches of the United States that face continental winters that could prove lethal to anyone with access to firewood and survival skills (an ever increasing percentage of the citizenry). Additionally, one has to assume civil strife will affect water supplies to the western states, and that would be immediately disastrous in places like Los Angeles.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 30, 2019 3:22 PM  

S1AL, near-autarky was the norm in the 1860s. There are few who can feed themselves today. Expect that any large scale disruptions for more than a few days will cause casualties. A nation wide breakdown of production and distribution might well kill one third of the population, whatever caused it.

Blogger xevious2030 May 30, 2019 5:53 PM  

S1AL. This is a difference of civilizations. Where over 50m voted for Hillary, over 50m for Trump. Where one side rejects the notion of two God given genders. At least 50m believes in celebrating the killing of kids (3 years old is moving up in popularity). That turning your daughters into broken lives sluts and hookers is ok. That are devastating males and toxic masculinity. That favors bringing in an invasion force to get rid of all the so called evil white people. If push comes to shove, do you think we’ll have a winner and a loser, and everything will be let to go back as it was. You’re looking at a Cultural Revolution, whichever side would win. 50m is being nice.

Blogger S1AL May 30, 2019 6:03 PM  

Barbarossa - Consider the Russian Civil War, then. Similar figured to Spanish, and that climate is certainly no more forgiving than anything in the US.

Ominous - You're almost certainly overstating how quickly things would go sideways, the degree to which it would occur, and the universality of it. Even in times of civil war, most conflict is isolated.

xevious - You are dramatically overestimating the willingness of those people to fight and die for their political positions.

There's a reason the response to theoretical civil war scenarios is "one side has all the guns".

The USA is unlikely to see that kind of war again. If it does collapse, it will be localized and economic. That's a very, very different situation.

Blogger xevious2030 May 31, 2019 11:14 AM  

@76 (S1AL) I don’t consider that they would be willing to fight and die for their political considerations. So, not differing with you on that. Most people (as a population) don’t fight and die in battle, they are support and people living their lives. There are some future variables, the nature of the actual leadership which arises, the depth and handling of the crisis by the various big players, the nature of communications, which come into play. I say this for exclusion, not for common ground.

What is coming is not a civil war. It is a war of civilizations, not of civil societies. It is Christendom versus that which is not. There is no middle ground, no room for both. To say that coexistence has been tried and failed would be a lie, as the other side never intends to coexist. This, coinciding with the emulsification of nations that is underway.

The Satanic Left ( herein, Left) will kill tens of millions after the fighting stops (they have seen to allowing +60,000,000 babies to be killed just for being, without even underlying ideological differences) if/where they win. And they will not stop trying. So, if/for areas they do not win, the decision will be faced to allow that situation, or to remove it, by those the Left will kill in the tens of millions for being contrast to them.

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