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Tuesday, June 04, 2019

Gatekeeping the gatekeeper

Eric Weinstein's panic is palpable. Jordan Peterson is off the reservation! Doesn't he know that Viktor Orban is an anti-semitic BADTHINKER!
Hungary Journal@hungary_journal
#Hungary's PM Viktor #Orban and @jordanbpeterson agree that illegal immigration is unnecessary and dangerous, and political correctness is an invention of a small group of ideologically motivated people.

Eric Weinstein@EricRWeinstein
I’m feeling like I missed a meeting. @jordanbpeterson, when your family situation permits it, I’d be happy to discuss or even debate the ethics here. Doc, you lost me on this one. Orban isn’t simple ethical restrictionism and doesn’t fit anything I know of your actual politics.

Eric Weinstein@EricRWeinstein
IDW is supposed to give people an option to avoid BOTH right & left extremes. The purpose of fighting authoritarian PC is not to lurch to the Identitarian Right to avoid the Identitarian Left. It’s to avoid needs for any authoritarians. We‘re supposed to be giving alternatives.
In case you didn't realize it yet, the "Intellectual Dark Web" is nothing more than public JournoList in miniature where the narrative is set for the members and they are expected to go out and dutifully broadcast it. And speaking of gatekeeping, a new think tank has been set up as a substitute for National Review, the American Enterprise Institute, and the neoconservatives in order to capture the nationalists who have escaped the prison of the modern conservative movement.
A new pro-Israel group that is pretending to be a standard bearer for conservative opinion in the United States was founded in January, a fortuitous bit of timing as it will not have to reveal its sources of income until next year. The Edmund Burke Foundation describes itself as “a new public affairs institute” having “the aim of strengthening the principles of national conservatism in Western and other democratic countries. The Foundation will pursue research, educational and publishing ventures directed toward this end.”

The Foundation’s launch will be at an open-to-the-public conference that will be held at Washington’s Ritz-Carlton on July 14-16, 2019. So as not to confuse the possible audience unduly over who Edmund Burke was or what he stood for, the conference is being advertised somewhat lamely as “National Conservatism: A Conference in Washington D.C.” on its website nationalconservatism.org. Note that neither the name of the foundation nor the promotion of its stellar cast of speakers includes the word “Israel,” but the Jewish state is really what it is all about.
Plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose. It's mostly a list of the usual suspects, but Tucker Carlson really should have done his homework on this "National Conservatism" scam before taking the bait.

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76 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 04, 2019 8:05 AM  

I wonder if those worthies would fund my White Zionism think tank?

Blogger Dark glasses Woody June 04, 2019 8:26 AM  

Strange optics in the admission that the IDW forms a single consensus for public consumption, guess they are like some sort of political bureaucracy. A normal person would have said, "You see this is why the IDW is the future of liberalism, I disagree with the good doctor's stance on Hungarian immigration politics but I am confident I can win him over to my position." I bet Eric regularly asks women what medications they are using and is a fastidious sanitizer of the hands.

Blogger Rocklea Marina June 04, 2019 8:31 AM  

Under the tutelage of Sith Orban, JBP has strayed from the Middle Path and caused a disruption in the Balance. Stay tuned for Eric R. Weinstein's response in, Episode V: We Can't Strike Back.

Blogger Stilicho June 04, 2019 8:37 AM  

"Plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose. It's mostly a list of the usual suspects,"

On the bright side, they think nationalism is winning, so they are scrambling to jump in front of the parade and pretend to lead it. Naturally, they want to "lead" it to ruin, but this is an open acknowledgment that the Weekly Standard/National Review gambit has failed.

Blogger James Dixon June 04, 2019 8:42 AM  

> ...but Tucker Carlson really should have done his homework on this "National Conservatism" scam before taking the bait.

I suspect Tucker doesn't expect to be at Fox much longer and is keeping his options open.

Blogger Robert What? June 04, 2019 8:44 AM  

The modern definition ofantisemitism is any criticism of Israel or her policies, or any criticism of a Jew's words or actions.

Blogger dienw June 04, 2019 8:46 AM  

Okay, the Alt-Right needs to start "The Maimonides Foundation;" The quarterly review can be called :The Cordova Andalusian Review; thereby deceiving both Neo-cons and other Zionist shills.

Maimonides

Blogger Miguel June 04, 2019 9:02 AM  

"the prime examples of such behavior and the argument that they have a special entitlement to justify their actions is frequently made, most notably by other Israel-firster groups like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD). FDD argues that democracy promotion by force is a legitimate foreign policy of powerful countries like the United States, while threatened democracies like Israel must be protected."


Special rules for special people.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums June 04, 2019 9:03 AM  

In-fighting when you have no dog in the fight is probably the most entertaining thing the internet has given us. I want to pour some gasoline in but I don't know how!

Blogger Lazarus June 04, 2019 9:03 AM  

Eric Weinstein cries out in pain as he strikes Jordan Peterson.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 04, 2019 9:13 AM  

Years ago the Rand Corporation studied why people (CEO's & the Super Rich, mostly now) spent so much money to lobby Congress. The study authors concluded that, given the trillions upon trillions of dollars up for grabs downstream of Congressional actions, the amount of money spent to bribe Congressmen and capture regulators was astonishingly small. Government was for sale, and it was priced cheaply. That's democracy for you.

The Great Credit Bubble poured loot into the hands of people who have every intention of continuing to obtain the loot. It costs a rounding-error-off-zero of their wealth to astroturf one think-tank or another "movement," or literally BUY one or a dozen Media Megaphones in an attempt to maintain the Narrative on which their parasitism rests.

They treat us like we are batteries, whose actions generate the "current" on which these fabulously wealthy blood-sucking ticks exist. They troll us by showing in movies, TV, etc., just how helpless we are, how young women of the world populate their brothel, how the innovations of the best and brightest are captured and exploited by people who lack intelligence but who are brim full of animal cunning.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 04, 2019 9:20 AM  

Yoram Hazony (Virtues of Nationalism) is Chairman of the Edmund Burke Foundation.

"The Edmund Burke Foundation is a new public affairs institute dedicated to developing a revitalized conservatism for the age of nationalism already upon us."

Revitalized cuckservativism is the more likely outcome.

Blogger anorganicbear June 04, 2019 9:22 AM  

"Eric Weinstein cries out in pain as he strikes Jordan Peterson."

Grip, farmer Maggot's dog, bites you.

Blogger Gregory the Tall June 04, 2019 9:27 AM  

When he said to Milo "Say hi to Vox" I somehow felt that something in him longs to be in this other "incrowd" where you speak your mind freely, where you do not get paid to say something inane etc. Also I felt something like respect for Vox. When I was at the uni I met quite a few psychology students. When asked "why are you studying this?" they usually said "Above all I want to find out more about myself." Now finally someone has come along who did a very good analysis of Peterson's psyche and of his work, so maybe Peterson feels some grudging respect...

Blogger CarpeOro June 04, 2019 9:32 AM  

"So as not to confuse the possible audience unduly over who Edmund Burke was or what he stood for, the conference is being advertised somewhat lamely as “National Conservatism: A Conference in Washington D.C."

Their lucky Burke is dead or he would excoriate them for their culturally appropriation of his name for their nefarious group.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 04, 2019 9:40 AM  

@14: I got the same impression. JBP used the same tone of voice that people use when they say, "no harm. no foul."

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia June 04, 2019 9:40 AM  

I just hate, absolutely hate, words and phrases that are tossed around by these virtue signallers as pejorative labels with a complete lack of rhetorical precision.

"Indentitarian." "Ethical restrictionism." Ugh.

Really, fold it in five stick it where the sun don't shine, why don't you.

In one of Douglas Murray's fearless public appearances, he railed against the term "populism," and called out the intellectual sloppiness of people who wield it as a cudgel.

Said Murray, "I don't like it, I don't use it. 'Populism" is a word that people use for something they don't like."

Exactly. Words used like this, in the hands of people like Weinstein and George Will, have no real meaning, except to convey their personal shallow view of badness, and badthink.

Sometimes in takes a book, like Hazony's "The Virtue of Nationalism," to accurately define a word. But the superficial "thinkers" will continue to spout them as pejoratives, making those people nothing but propagandists.

Blogger Welleran June 04, 2019 9:41 AM  

The real tell is that they're always pro Israel, you'd expect if there was anything natural about these organizations at least one of them would pop up neutral towards Israel or at least remain silent on the topic in favor of other priorities. Do Jews really think they aren't obvious?

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 04, 2019 9:41 AM  

"Propaganda Unit Peterson001, return immediately to IDW-HQ for an update to your DoNotAssociateWith module."

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 June 04, 2019 10:15 AM  

Silly Weinstein, we're Christian Nationalists, not Jewish Nationalists.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama June 04, 2019 10:28 AM  

Remember when jews set up Judasson Peterless as a "genuis healer" to turn his sheep against supreme court nominee Kavanaugh, because it would look really bad & might create antisemitic perceptions for jews to be leading the charge against Kavanaugh from all sides (Feinstein, Schumer, jewmedia, et al. were blaring the gang rape hoax stories.) They always try to employ goy frontmen as a deflection shield for their despicable schemes.
Turned out to be a major flop, which they then claimed was a "thought experiment."
That whole episode had a personal effect on Judasson.

My position on the #Kavanaugh confirmation: Both outcomes are completely unacceptable.
— Bret Weinstein (@BretWeinstein) October 5, 2018

On the other hand, we can't have a republic with veto-by-accusation, even if most accusations are true. The incentive to weaponize accusation will drag such a system quickly into an accusation-arms-race in which cooperation becomes impossible, and true victims are ignored.
— Bret Weinstein (@BretWeinstein) October 5, 2018


This position is held in varying forms by nearly everyone thoughtful with whom I’m speaking. What divides these folks is which way to break the symmetry. But honest people see deep reasons that both outcomes are not healthy or workable. We need a genius healer we just don’t have. https://t.co/0rxpRrdM6W
— Eric Weinstein (@EricRWeinstein) October 5, 2018


If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down. https://t.co/UwsH52ts3b
— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) October 5, 2018

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama June 04, 2019 10:32 AM  

another one of those super evil crazy monsters - everyone who doesn't enthusiastically agree with the Jew World Disorder - attempted to inform us about these types of situations:

Ted Kaczynski
The System’s Neatest Trick

Through this type of process, rebel movements that are dangerous to the System are subjected to negative propaganda, while rebel movements that are believed to be useful to the System are given cautious encouragement in the media. Unconscious absorption of media propaganda influences would-be rebels to "rebel" in ways that serve the interests of the System.

The university intellectuals also play an important role in carrying out the System's trick. Though they like to fancy themselves independent thinkers, the intellectuals are (allowing for individual exceptions) the most oversocialized, the most conformist, the tamest and most domesticated, the most pampered, dependent, and spineless group in America today. As a result, their impulse to rebel is particularly strong. But, because they are incapable of independent thought, real rebellion is impossible for them. Consequently they are suckers for the System's trick, which allows them to irritate people and enjoy the illusion of rebelling without ever having to challenge the System's basic values.

Because they are the teachers of young people, the university intellectuals are in a position to help the System play its trick on the young, which they do by steering young people's rebellious impulses toward the standard, stereotyped targets: racism, colonialism, women's issues, etc. Young people who are not college students learn through the media, or through personal contact, of the "social justice" issues for which students rebel, and they imitate the students. Thus a youth culture develops in which there is a stereotyped mode of rebellion that spreads through imitation of peers—just as hairstyles, clothing styles, and other fads spread through imitation.

Blogger tublecane June 04, 2019 10:44 AM  

"political correctness is an invention of a small group of ideologically motivated people"

How could it not be, given that the way we use the terms pretty much everything political is also ideological? The only way it couldn't have been invented is if it came about spontaneously, but I'll gouge my eye out if that's the case. And small group is a given. Political correctness was never part of a popular movement. But

"avoid needs for any authoritarians"

I honestly believe they have no idea what "authoritarian" means, even in the most basic sense. Probs it just means people in power who aren't them.

Blogger tublecane June 04, 2019 10:48 AM  

@17- How I imagine a dinner party with these folks:

Me: As my father used to say...

Them: I'm gonna have to interrupt you there, fella. No identitarianism at this table. We're all individuals and have no fathers.

Another them: True, true. Why, my grandfather who survived Sobibor said...

Me: Sorry to interrupt, but this guy can talk about his grandfather? How is that not ident, identitarianism?

Them: Burn the Nazi!

Blogger Garuna June 04, 2019 10:51 AM  

OT:

What happened to the MGTOW darkstream? It vanished before I could watch it.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz June 04, 2019 10:59 AM  

@tublecane
His grandps was a czas chamber operator. :)

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 04, 2019 11:00 AM  

I honestly believe they have no idea what "authoritarian" means

Anyone who wants to enforce a rule they disagree with. Or just anyone who reminds them of their dad.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama June 04, 2019 11:02 AM  

@23 tublecane "Probs it just means people in power who aren't them."

Everything they do is about advancing & protecting themselves, at your expense.
When they speak of OUR democracy, terrorism, dangerous, economy, bad, good, anything at all. They cannot outright say it, or even idiots would start to catch on to their scams.

You are slaves, enemies, animals, helpless thoughtless children to be tricked & have your blood sucked out of you in satanic ritual sacrifices to their bloodthirsty gods. Their holidays celebrate destruction & genocides of people like you.

It all makes sense when you view it from that angle.

Empathy & sympathy for the Devil is your own damnation.

Blogger Jeroth June 04, 2019 11:19 AM  

Either they will decide not to let Tucker speak, or he will speak, and in the process subvert their interests.

It's hard to know for sure what someone is capable of, but I really don't see Tucker making any deals with the devil.

Blogger Gen. Kong June 04, 2019 11:19 AM  

d.c. sunsets:

Years ago the Rand Corporation studied why people (CEO's & the Super Rich, mostly now) spent so much money to lobby Congress. The study authors concluded that, given the trillions upon trillions of dollars up for grabs downstream of Congressional actions, the amount of money spent to bribe Congressmen and capture regulators was astonishingly small. Government was for sale, and it was priced cheaply. That's democracy for you.

That much is certainly true. AIPAC invests relatively little for a fantastic return - far better than they could do on the Wall Street casino. 20 years ago, Disney's (((Michael Eisner))) paid a mere 600K in "campaign contributions" and got the copyright law extended 20 years. The pedo-rodents' bottom line swelled enormously. Only certain folks are allowed into that particular investment opportunity however. As the late George Carlin noted: "It's a club ... and you're not in it."

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 04, 2019 11:54 AM  

"Strange optics in the admission that the IDW forms a single consensus for public consumption"

The stress of not moving the needle must be weighing. The backers do like results. Peterson drifting even slightly towards reality is a bridge too far.


"Revitalized conservatism" is approaching "the New Originals"-level nonsense.

Blogger Beardy Bear June 04, 2019 11:55 AM  

Colin Flaherty's baby momma wrote:We need a genius healer we just don’t have. https://t.co/0rxpRrdM6W

— Eric Weinstein (@EricRWeinstein) October 5, 2018

If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down. https://t.co/UwsH52ts3b

— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) October 5, 2018


Eric- We need a super genius healer don't we Peterson?

Peterson- One could say, for instance, that I'm a genius healer of hyper-reality. And if that's true, well hey, by golly that's not nothing.

Eric- I never thought of you Peterson. Way to step up. *snickers*

Peterson- Well some would say-and you can think this if you want, it won't make you a reprehensible ideologue-some would say I want to make my grandma proud. After I had cider with my cousin, grandma was disappointed and treated me with, let's say, less affection. Now I really love my grandma, which is why the whole matter was false, because it had consequences. You might even say- and I'm reaching here, I'm really pushing the limits of my understanding- that instead of cider, which had consequences, we should have had DMT together to transcend all of reality itself. Now I don't know about that, I mean I really don't, but we have to think about these things, and in thinking about them don't just talk about them, do them, I mean really get your hands dirty and do them. Ideally, in a perfect world, one perhaps too beautiful to even imagine, all three of us.

Blogger Aeroschmidt June 04, 2019 11:56 AM  

Maybe Milo telling him he's a special boy who longs deeply to wear fancy pants worked.

Blogger Xiety June 04, 2019 12:05 PM  

An opportunity for JBP presents itself. I wonder if he takes it.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 04, 2019 12:09 PM  

@30 "It's a club and you ain't in it."

They use our money to addict and enslave us. The Matrix isn't fiction, it's a parable, an open trolling of us, ridiculing us as the slaves we are to them, our "overlords."

As long as we're "this wealthy," we'll be "this enslaved."

My hope is that most of today's wealth exists as no more than a figment of mass imagination, and that it's already stretched to the orbit of Mars beyond sanity. When the spell is finally broken, and the masses' eyes see what is there (or better, what isn't there but that was promised), then the astronomical wealth being bled off to fund our ruling elite scumbag/parasites will disappear and while we will see our standard of living slashed, theirs will with luck entirely disappear.

It would be icing on the cake if their bodies lined the roads, hung on posts to rot in the rain.

I'm fine with being a cog in the machine, just not a cog chafing under the heel of the veritable scum-of-the-Earth who currently occupy the High Castle.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama June 04, 2019 12:09 PM  

@32 Beardy Bear, is that a transcript or a fanfic?

Blogger Max Boivin June 04, 2019 12:28 PM  

Weinstein will have to have a conversation about this conversation with JBP.

Blogger Jew613 June 04, 2019 12:57 PM  

Hazony's been trying to revive Nationalism for decades, and he's openly written(and tweeted) about how it shouldnt be Jews & Catholics leading American-Western Euro Nationalism but Protestant Christians. Yes, there's a problem having Catholics and Jews leading the charge for a revived national conservatism in the West. The nationalist order as we know it was created by Protestants. Hard to see how change for the better will happen if Protestants won't let go of liberalism.

Blogger Beardy Bear June 04, 2019 1:06 PM  

@36 Colin F's baby momma, a transcript of course. Though, I hope you find it as entertaining as the anonymous source who leaked it did.

Blogger Lance E June 04, 2019 1:08 PM  

Weinstein is such a tool, and here I thought Eric was the smart one.

So IDW members aren't even allowed to agree with the statement that "illegal immigration is unnecessary and dangerous, and political correctness is an invention of a small group of ideologically motivated people." This has to be one of the least controversial political statements ever made, but we need to "debate the ethics" of it.

"IDW is supposed to give people an option to avoid BOTH right & left extremes" - as if he has any idea what the right extreme even looks like.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon June 04, 2019 1:10 PM  

The followup video is going to be hilarious. Peterson, Weinstein and Shapiro will sit down for a 'debate' in which Peterson grovels, recants everything he said, blames in on travel fatigue, and agrees that open borders are wonderful (quietly ignoring Israel's recent border wall and slow expulsion of African migrants).

He knows who puts the matzoh balls in his soup, so he'll capitulate.

Another funny thing is that the other Weinstein is a biologist. I'd love to hear how this concept of 'ethical restrictionism' has manifested itself through human history. Usually existential conflicts between groups of humans are anything but ethical, and it is hard to see how a group of pacifists would survive. The original indigenous of NZ were ethical, and look what the Maori did to them.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon June 04, 2019 1:15 PM  

@38,

E Michael Jones argues that it was the Catholics who were keeping the lid on Jewish depravity and degeneracy during most of the 20th century, not the Protestants. They were the ones, for instance, who kept obscenity out of Hollywood movies and restricted pornography. The Jews and Protestants worked together to destroy Catholic neighbourhoods and undermine their sense of group solidarity. Vatican II also robbed them of a lot of their traditional doctrine. You'll find Jewish websites noting the contribution of Jewish converts to the Vatican II changes (cough cough).

Not a fan of the Catholic Church in general, but at least they were a bit of a barrier to Jewish power. Were.

Blogger State Estimation June 04, 2019 1:25 PM  

So IDW members aren't even allowed to agree with the statement that "illegal immigration is unnecessary and dangerous, and political correctness is an invention of a small group of ideologically motivated people."

Because that's not who we are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gouAcayDwLM

Blogger Nate73 June 04, 2019 1:32 PM  

@37: They always just want to have a conversation. I.e. you shut up and accept whatever they say.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 04, 2019 1:36 PM  

Robert What? wrote:The modern definition ofantisemitism is any criticism of Israel or her policies, or any criticism of a Jew's words or actions.
It was either Sobran or Buchanan who said "I'm old enough to remember when 'Anti-Semite' meant a person who hated Jews, not, as it does now, a person whom Jews hate."

Blogger pyrrhus June 04, 2019 1:36 PM  

@41 <Usually existential conflicts between groups of humans are anything but ethical, and it is hard to see how a group of pacifists would survive. The original indigenous of NZ were ethical, and look what the Maori did to them.

Indeed, the Maori literally ate them, an old version of the South Beach Diet..

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama June 04, 2019 1:43 PM  

“being a conservative means defending 5000 years of the judeo christian western tradition**”

**any idea older than 50 years is fascist and not true conservatism

@SenecaReads
https://twitter.com/SenecaReads/status/1135696772385320961

Blogger Monotonous Languor June 04, 2019 2:34 PM  

Eric Weinstein: “IDW is supposed to give people an option to avoid BOTH right & left extremes. The purpose of fighting authoritarian PC is not to lurch to the Identitarian Right to avoid the Identitarian Left. It’s to avoid needs for any authoritarians. We‘re supposed to be giving alternatives.“

Oh yes, trot out the fearsome gravitas of the IDW. Yet another self-righteous jerkoff who pretends that incessant triangulation of what he considers to be extremes, will somehow automatically bestow the moral high ground. No independent thinking there, just the NPC echo chamber, where being against illegal immigration is extreme badthink. And what the hell is “ethical restrictionism”, anyway, and why should I care?

The half-black messiah: “That's not Hoowie R.” (probably the name of his gay coke dealer).

Blogger Michael June 04, 2019 2:40 PM  

True, decent conservatives won't view the Edmund Burke Foundation as a serious conservative thought leader until it starts offering cruises.

Blogger Quilp June 04, 2019 2:55 PM  

@49 absolutely.
Even the Cheeto-faced one has cruises now. Strange the Mark Levin isn't sailing along..
https://www.comesailaway.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrdjnBRDXARIsAEcE5YkUFV6lrBBR14FHM20ZfQitzsgpeS009XelwYiqGWpJ1c5TS8fBD6MaAp43EALw_wcB

Blogger Rhys June 04, 2019 3:13 PM  

Why the hell do these dork-offs even think they're fooling anybody? The attempts to control narrative are beyond transparent. Embarrassing.

Blogger tublecane June 04, 2019 3:53 PM  

What is it with the perpetual talismanic instantiation of one Edmund Burke as...something or other. I always forget, but we're never really told why him besides he opposed the Jacobins. If not for Russell Kirk's crush on him, he might be just another obscure 18th-century politician/philosopher.

Do any of us imagine the people behind this foundation have read Burke? Or even a biography of him? I read Reflections on the Revolution and Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful. They were good enough for what they were, but not very relevant for any living political movement.

What was Burke like in the wild when he was actually alive and the things he wrote about mattered? Well, he was a Whig and therefore liberal. But not so liberal as the Whigs who supported the French Revolution or American independence. So a "conservative" liberal. Also tolerant of dissenting faiths and not in favor of persecuting Catholics. Probably because he was half-Catholic. Born in Ireland to Irish and English ancestors going back to the Normans.

If the foundationeers know all this, it makes more sense the more we know that they picked his name. But really I think it's a tap of the nose thing in certain circles. Say "Burke" and they know you're one of the boys.

Otherwise, why not rather pick someone who appeals to some particular nation? in the case of Anglo-Irishman Burke, split him between Brian Boru and St. George.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 04, 2019 4:09 PM  

IDW is supposed to give people an option to avoid BOTH right & left extremes.

So Idiots Diligently Wanking is a consortium of that most loathsome of critters, the smug sanctimonious pencilneck who believes they're so smart and visionary and above it all. This is what we get when the guys who were always picked last for kickball are let loose on the internet.

Blogger The Course of Empire June 04, 2019 4:22 PM  

Maybe there is hope and Peterson is beginning to question things more? Why not, such things have happened. I hope and pray he is!

Blogger CM June 04, 2019 4:23 PM  

Do any of us imagine the people behind this foundation have read Burke? Or even a biography of him? I read Reflections on the Revolution and Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful. They were good enough for what they were, but not very relevant for any living political movement.

Hazony likes Burke and takes a very negative view of Locke. I guess Burke was not a Locke fan, either.

Hazony's depiction of Burke is at odds with modern conservatism. Buckley doesn't come across as Burkean at all.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 04, 2019 4:41 PM  

@45

"I'm old enough to remember when 'Anti-Semite' meant a person who hated Jews, not, as it does now, a person whom Jews hate."

I am that old myself.

Blogger Avalanche June 04, 2019 4:42 PM  

@14 "Now finally someone has come along who did a very good analysis of Peterson's psyche and of his work, so maybe Peterson feels some grudging respect... "


Or, possibly, JBP thinks he sees the missing 'father-figure' he SO craves; the one who will teach him right-from-wrong AND make him not terrified of everything on the planet. Vox is clearly/apparently fearless; Vox does NOT take drugs to keep from lying stiff in terror for 28 nights in a row; Vox speaks truth without hysterically shading it in the hopes of being acceptable to everyone. Why, Vox probably DOES stop clapping first, if he EVEN claps at all!

JBP has found a hero -- who terrifies him!

Blogger Pathfinderlight June 04, 2019 4:46 PM  

Tucker Carlson does a lot of good work in a field riddled with disgusting lies. A lot of what he talks about is probably investigated by other people, since that's standard for journalism. Still, it's good to keep these guys on their toes, letting them know when they get things wrong so they can do better next time.

Blogger Avalanche June 04, 2019 4:51 PM  

@35 "It would be icing on the cake if their bodies lined the roads, hung on posts to rot in the rain."


Eeeeew: stinky and disgusting! Feed the hogs! Make them USEFUL for once in their deaths...

Blogger xevious2030 June 04, 2019 4:56 PM  

“[…] As an intellectually serious alternative to the excesses of purist libertarianism, and in stark opposition to political theories grounded in race.”
https://nationalconservatism.org/

It still fascinates me. Aside from identical twins, no two humans look exactly alike, though they have lineage based proclivities. The same DNA (general overarching concept) which provides physical distinction of the general body, also provides distinction in the brain and genetically based behavior, with similarly distributed proclivities. Which means the latter portion of the quote is in opposition to theories based on the genetic encoding of behavior, in favor of some farcical mythical creature, “the Ubermensch of the Blank Slate,” located in proximity to the abode of the unicorn and the leprechaun. The Ubermensch of the Blank Slate, having a brain containing naturally born behavior which does not come from DNA, but from the magic of sparkly rainbow pixie dust of the Exact Sameness tree, ruined only by nurture.

Blogger Damn the torpedos June 04, 2019 5:47 PM  

“Maybe there is hope and Peterson is beginning to question things more? Why not, such things have happened. I hope and pray he is!“

For me to ever believe that I’d need to hear of a damacus road experience and a barabas to testify to its authenticity.

Blogger Up from the pond June 04, 2019 5:59 PM  

tublecane wrote:I honestly believe they have no idea what "authoritarian" means

Oh yes they do.

Theirs is the definition in the book The Authoritarian Personality, written by Theodor W. Adorno, Else Frenkel-Brunswik, Daniel Levinson, and Nevitt Sanford, published in 1950, sponsored by something called "The American Jewish Committee's Department of Scientific Research."

Basically an Authoritarian is a straight white gentile family man who doesn't buy the (((bullsh*t.)))

The IDW affect to be terrified of such men. They consider them to be Hitler's Willing Executioners*, ready to gas millions if not "humanized" and neutralized. But the reality is worse: they aren't afraid. They oppose any normal man of our people not because they are afraid of him but simply because he is a bulwark against the aggressive evil IDW types want to do or facilitate.
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* Goldhagen isn't part of the IDW AFAIK, but he would fit right in.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 04, 2019 6:14 PM  

tublecane wrote:What is it with the perpetual talismanic instantiation of one Edmund Burke as...something or other

It's almost certainly nothing deeper than the wide popularity of the quote misattributed to Burke: "The only thing needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".

Blogger MJimmy June 04, 2019 6:26 PM  

@30 AIPAC invests relatively little for a fantastic return - far better than they could do on the Wall Street casino

"It didn't take long for influential Jews to learn that buying a Western politician is much cheaper than buying a tank."

Gilad Atzmon

Blogger Gregory the Tall June 04, 2019 6:29 PM  

Very well said!

Blogger sammibandit June 04, 2019 7:05 PM  

Eeeeew: stinky and disgusting! Feed the hogs! Make them USEFUL for once in their deaths...

And taint the food supply with their diseased flesh? Bad idea. I like the idea of a wall made of flesh. Very 300/Vlad Tepes.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 04, 2019 7:53 PM  

After congratulating Hungary on it's national achievement of self-determination, Petersen goes on to advocate for the supreme virtue of Individualism. But the fact that he condoned Hungary for Hungarians was that monstrous deviation into Identity Politics that leads straight to mass genocide.
Eric Weinstein, acting for all the world like Petersen's handler, says he urgently needs to speak to Petersen and that 'this is not good for the jews, somalians et al.' Hilarious. Next move.

Blogger tublecane June 04, 2019 8:03 PM  

@42- The Catholics may have held the line, but not in defense of the American nation. Because they weren't historically part of it.

The WASPs were still powerful in the 20th century, but they had lost their ethos. There's a novel called the Late George Apley about a Boston Brahmin who dies in the 30s, I think, but it covers 50 years or whatever of his life, stretching back to the previous century. You get to see the decline of his class. The literary elite of the time liked it because it was lightly satirica. This guy was an object of fun despite being perfectly respectable. The most depraved thing he does is carry on a platonic companionship with a lady-friend.

That book was written in the 30s, its author from an old Massachusetts family tied to Margaret Fuller and the whole Transcendental thing. Their class was if not dead already lacking belief in itself. Don't know when that happened exactly, though the bookends of the long death of the nation would be the Civil War and the New Deal.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 04, 2019 8:06 PM  

Yoram Hazony (Virtues of Nationalism) was also in Bucharest for the same "Brain Bar" festival of ideas thingy.

It strikes me that Jordan Petersen is among a few other outliers that have decided to engage with nationalism, possibly to try and ensure it stays "benign".
Sounding like Kermit playing Hamlet, Petersen praised Hungarian nationalism and went on to point out to his Hungarian listeners that the truly supreme morality was individualism.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 04, 2019 8:18 PM  

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Blogger cecilhenry June 04, 2019 8:51 PM  

Laughable....

Oh Jordan...... please hurry and contact me for a friendly extended struggle session where we can discuss your BadThink.

As you can see, underneath all the rhetoric, with JEws NOTHING is more important than promoting White Genocide.

Nothing. Even the slightest hint of deviation throws all others objectives out the window.

And they wonder why they're despised. They earn it.

Blogger Statix June 04, 2019 9:54 PM  

One can only hope that Milo's warning to Jordan that his head is next red-pilled him to reality.

Blogger Talios Hammerfist June 04, 2019 11:37 PM  

A quality comment that gave me a laugh!

Blogger Talios Hammerfist June 04, 2019 11:46 PM  

That was when I saw through Peterson's spells. I am glad that he chose to reveal himself and the rest of the IDW too.

Blogger Toris June 05, 2019 12:21 AM  

Owen nailing Pink Floyd yesterday, was hoping for a rendition of "Hey Jew":

Hey Jew, out there in the cold,
diggin holes for your pot of gold,
Do you fear me?
Hey Jew, Jordan met a gentile,
With itchy feet and a fading smile,
Can you feel me?
Hey Jew, don't help them to bury the LIGHT ...

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 05, 2019 5:38 AM  

tublecane wrote:The WASPs were still powerful in the 20th century, but they had lost their ethos.

There's this maddening and rather darkly hilarious postapocalyptic book (The Boston Brahmin series, one of those Kindle multiple book series ) about how the Boston Brahmin is the power behind the scenes in contemporary America and instigates a meltdown to reset America and return us to our traditional roots, etc.

It's absurd, and teeming with Boomer Con tripe (muh Constitution, blah, blah). I can't help but think this guy was put up to this to help (((someone) keep the American Patriot from finding the truth.

I only skimmed large portions of it, and finished because I wanted to see if he veered to an unexpected direction at some point. Nope. Nauseating to the end.

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