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Saturday, June 15, 2019

The continuing decline of empire

Whatever happened to the imperial policy of free trade uber alles?
The US-India defense ties will be put at risk should New Delhi purchase Russian S-400 air defense systems, a senior American diplomat warned, noting that India should think very carefully about making such strategic choices.

“At a certain point, a strategic choice has to be made about partnerships and a strategic choice about what weapons systems and platforms a country is going to adopt,” Alice Wells, US principal deputy assistant secretary for South and Central Asia, said this week at the hearings on US interests in South Asia and the budget for the fiscal year 2020. India’s procurement of the S-400s “effectively could limit India’s ability to increase our own interoperability,” she said, explaining that Washington has “serious concerns” about the implications of the $5 billion deal signed with Russia in October on India-US defense ties.
If it's not my business that my neighbor hires a Nicaraguan gardiner, how is it a senior American diplomat's business if India buys Russian air defense systems? If I were an Indian official, I would simply throw Washington's idiotic free trade rhetoric right back in its face. As well as, of course, this amusingly ironic news concerning the manufacture of F-35s.
Exception PCB, a Chinese-owned company based in Gloucestershire, England, manufactures the circuit boards that control the engines, lighting, fuel and navigation systems of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.... Exception PCB was bought by Shenzhen Fastprint in 2013, has never concealed its Chinese ownership and has also worked on the Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet and the Apache attack helicopter, among other sensitive programs. A director from the company told SkyNews there are “clear firewalls in place” between the Exception and its Chinese owners, that the company only produces bare circuit boards, and that no additional electronic information is supplied. But Lockheed Martin didn’t seem so sure, informing Sky that “like all components of the F-35,” the circuit boards “are inspected repeatedly at each stage of manufacture.”
What's to worry about? Countries that trade don't fight, right? Anyhow, the continuing decline of US influence is becoming more apparent every day. No wonder the neocons are desperate to trigger a war between the US and Iran while the US is still capable of fighting one.

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Blogger Brett baker June 15, 2019 6:11 AM  

US influence was always based on us being the only ones to do certain things in tech. Now that more countries can do tech, and the dislike of manufacturing, our influence is going to decline, relative to what it had been.

Blogger Joseph Dooley June 15, 2019 7:03 AM  

The F-35 is the biggest boondoggle in the history of military technology. A trillion bucks down the chute for a thousand glitchy, mediocre planes.

Blogger dienw June 15, 2019 7:10 AM  

This is not stupidity on the part of American leadership; this is outright malice against the welfare of the American people.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 15, 2019 7:14 AM  

That's not all the neocons want. I like to imply that from the lowest SJW to the highest sellout "conservative", it's really all one big operation. The lack of virtue signalling meaning complicity mindset of the SJWs comes in part from "Oh you are not for war with Iraq therefore you are an anti-Semite". How many of today's SJWs were being babysat by the TV when that was going on?

The loss of control here in the USA spurs the neocons on just as well as loss of power on the outside. On the domestic front, we would be lucky if the USA falls apart before it's goes full Judeo-Bolshevik so we would at least still have weapons and wealth with which to assert our solutions and prevent what comes next from being a western version of Gaza/West Bank. If it happens afterwards, well look at how Russia was looted by a certain crowd after the Soviet Union fell apart. They don't necessarily lose when their empires crumble. They rig it so they can be sneaking off with the big cartoon money-bags in hand.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2019 7:19 AM  

I read somewhere that Lockheed is Hindu central for its "engineers", don't know if its true but if it is then the Indian government if they did receive an offer to be able to get a sweet deal on the F-35 then probably proceeded to fall on the floor laughing so hard as to almost choke to death.

I propose a deal, America abandon its empire, federalism is recognized to ease the eventual split and the Boomercon Cucks will get free cable with one station that replays nothing but Desert Storm victory porn. How about it?

Blogger Thad Tuiol June 15, 2019 7:37 AM  

It's amazing how many Americans i.e. boomercon cucks and churchians) still think it's 1945 in terms of the nation's military power and global "wow" factor.

Blogger Thad Tuiol June 15, 2019 7:48 AM  

How long until we hear: "India is taking babies out of incubators! India has weapons of mass destruction! India is bombing tankers near the strait of Hormuz! India uses Novichok!"

Blogger binks webelf June 15, 2019 8:00 AM  

How long until we hear that Pompeo & Co. can stretch the 2001 declaration of everywhere war because of 911 to cover an attack on India? These Neo-Clowns are sleepwalking into more chaos & defeat, and they want to take everybody with them.

Blogger steb June 15, 2019 8:31 AM  

Indians run Google and Microsoft, and the country is home to a huge fraction of western IT infrastructure. It is also a key ally in the USA's ongoing skirmishes inside Pakistan. Whether they like it or not, the USA needs to protect India in order to protect itself. India gains nothing extra by being nice.

Blogger Johnny June 15, 2019 8:32 AM  

Going by the clues a lot of military sales are politically connected. The country gets a loan or foreign aid from Washington and following that the sale of the military hardware goes through. The ambassador is just shilling for a domestic financial interest.

And the F35 does look like a dog. A hugely expensive jack of all trades and master of none. The most ridiculous thing for me is thinking the F35 (air superiority aircraft) can replace the A-10 Warthog (ground attack specialist).

Blogger Miguel June 15, 2019 8:38 AM  

The arrogance of the Anglo-Zionist elite knows no limits.

Blogger Skyler the Weird June 15, 2019 8:48 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction. India really does have nuclear weapons unlike Iraq.

Blogger God Emperor Memes June 15, 2019 8:59 AM  

"Free trade!!!" *sotto voce* "As long as it's with us."

Blogger Stilicho June 15, 2019 9:10 AM  

Good lord, they are letting the fox BUILD the henhouse. No part of any weapon system should ever be made outside the US or by any non-American. This isn't difficult to understand and even the perfumed princes of the Pentagon grasp it, but DOD procurement and congresscritters can't, or more likely, ignore it for the sake of a few shekels. About thirty, I expect.

Blogger English Tom June 15, 2019 9:11 AM  

@Thad Tuiol

I don't think the US will get too heavy Sith India as it needs India as a counterweight to China. The Russians do also (which is why I've stated Russia will be the balancer of Eurasia on previous threads).
Once US/Western power is thrown out of Eurasia, Russia will fear China exercising historical claims on its far East.
Both Russia and the US need India. Deals will be done no doubt.

Blogger English Tom June 15, 2019 9:19 AM  

Re: the Chinese company involved in major defence systems.

Brendan O'Connell makes similar claims about Israeli involvement in Western defence systems.
The 3rd world war has already been lost, and most people don't even know it.

Blogger anorganicbear June 15, 2019 9:26 AM  

@14: Don't be such a bigot, the Chinese are just as much American as the rest of the world.

Blogger JG June 15, 2019 9:27 AM  

It's been the better part of three decades since I worked in military electronics, but in those days, you could not source a component not made in the USA. When did this requirement go away? Relaxing this requirement seems to me incredibly STUPID if you treasure your nation.

Blogger pnq87 June 15, 2019 9:39 AM  

In the long run, I think whites would be better served by focusing their mental energy less on advanced weaponry and more on such topics as skills based machete dodging and African appeasement strategies.

Blogger Azimus June 15, 2019 9:50 AM  

Hasn't India always been in Russia's sphere as far as armaments? And how many S400 systems are we talking about here? These guys are still flying MiG 21's into combat...

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim June 15, 2019 9:51 AM  

“African appeasement strategies”

I like those strategies used by the Voortrekkers during the Battle of Blood River. We should be looking closely at such forms of “diversity management”.

Blogger Sam June 15, 2019 10:01 AM  

@21
It comes and goes. India is a rival of China and in the Non-Aligned Movement which means the US and USSR have supported them.

Blogger pyrrhus June 15, 2019 10:35 AM  

The S-400 system has no competition, and the US has no leverage, sooo....
As to the wonders of Free Trade, I don't see why we shouldn't outsource all military procurement to China...We could save a lot of money.

Blogger pyrrhus June 15, 2019 10:40 AM  

@8 <How long until we hear that Pompeo & Co. can stretch the 2001 declaration of everywhere war because of 911 to cover an attack on India? These Neo-Clowns are sleepwalking into more chaos & defeat, and they want to take everybody with them.

India has nuclear weapons, and almost certainly thermonuclear weapons since India has some good physicists...It's a bridge too far even for idiots like Bolton and Pompeii the Great...

Blogger English Tom June 15, 2019 10:41 AM  

@Azimus

Re: India and it's long standing association with Russia.

You are correct. Although non-aligned during the cold war, India was very friendly to the erstwhile Soviet Union. This relationship has continued to the present day.
Russia needs India and so does the US as per reasons mentioned upthread.

Blogger Primus Pilus June 15, 2019 11:02 AM  

JG wrote:It's been the better part of three decades since I worked in military electronics, but in those days, you could not source a component not made in the USA. When did this requirement go away? Relaxing this requirement seems to me incredibly STUPID if you treasure your nation.

The people behind these policies do treasure their nation. It's just that our rulers' nation isn't the American people.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 15, 2019 11:03 AM  

JG wrote:... in those days, you could not source a component not made in the USA. ... Relaxing this requirement seems to me incredibly STUPID if you treasure your nation.

The decision makers obviously don't treasure this nation, so this nation obviously isn't their nation.

Blogger Joe Katzman June 15, 2019 11:06 AM  

If this is the usual bluster and pre-sales maneuvering, it’s low-quality. If they’re serious, it’s insane.

India has ALWAYS been a Russian weapons client; what’s unusual is that they’ve recently started ordering any American gear at all: P-8i (737-based) maritime patrol planes, C-130J Hercules med. transport planes, some artillery, a handful of AH-64 attack helicopters. India’s air defense is either Russian or Israeli (the new stuff, both land and naval, is based on the Barak-8), and America has no direct competitor to the S-400. What are they trying to do here?

Blogger R Devere June 15, 2019 11:12 AM  

Russian S-440 system is top notch, without peer? LMAO!

I remember when the same claim was made for T series Russian tanks! Only problem with them was the delivery models (as opposed to the "show room" models the Russians use for sales purposes) needed a monkey wrench to assist in steering and their auto-loaders for the main turret guns had an issue with castrating the operators, since it could not distinguish between shells and the operators' genitalia!

Wake me up when the Russians can produce more that a handful of weapons that actually work in the field. AK-47's excepted.

Blogger CM June 15, 2019 11:17 AM  

I read somewhere that Lockheed is Hindu central for its "engineers", don't know if its true but if it is then the Indian government if they did receive an offer to be able to get a sweet deal on the F-35 then probably proceeded to fall on the floor laughing so hard as to almost choke to death.

It is.

Lockheed Martin has a lot of huge issues that keep me far away from that place, but my husband is still employed by them so I keep my mouth shut.

Put simply, I joined up with them because they are supposed to develop systems that keep our men safe. Needless to say, middle management and outsourcing labor has turned them into something completely foreign to that mission.

Blogger Harambe June 15, 2019 11:35 AM  

So what you're saying is Lauren Southern was compromised by the Chinese?

Blogger binks webelf June 15, 2019 12:14 PM  

@29 "Russian S-440 system is top notch, without peer? LMAO!"

New T-14 Armata is most stronk tank! No mechanical problems, is Russophobe propaganda. Bad YouTubes of most stronk T-14 Armata are mistake.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 15, 2019 12:42 PM  

@JG (#18)

I currently work in defense electronics, and I can report there are no such strictures these days. Our raw circuit boards are sourced from South Korea and we source many components from Taiwan. Both of those sources are likely compromised by NK and China. In a conflict, I have no doubt NK and China could easily end those sources of supply.

This does not even begin to go into all the horrific obsolescence issues across our products.

With regard to the PCB vendor in the post, the layout and stackup data for the raw board isn't the whole puzzle, but much information can be gleaned from that data.

Doing a bit of casual searching, I also see that there are many key components in the older F-15 that are sourced from South Korea and Japan. I am sure these suppliers have similar issues to suppliers in my industry.

Blogger binks webelf June 15, 2019 12:58 PM  

Were the power systems to go down via EMP or solar EMP in the U.S., many essential parts for rebuilding the electrical grid are like those out-sourced parts of the F-35.. no longer built or repairable in the U.S., dependent on China and other nations for any hope of rebuilding the grid.

That rebuild? After a year, perhaps, when many people have starved, died, and otherwise suffered from such vulnerabilities, not least of which are the "Just-In-Time" supply ideas for food & pharma and many other things, instead of the older "Just-In-Case" supply system.

When I worked as a bag-boy/ stocker in the Before-Time, our local supermarket had a whole warehouse underneath the main floor, with many many non-perishables stored there. The trucks delivered to the downstairs, and it went there first, then later brought up to the sales floor as needed. In many current supermarkets, what's on the shelf is what there is in stock.

Blogger Skyler the Weird June 15, 2019 1:18 PM  

Banking Systems too are outsourced to Hyderabad, Manila, and Hong Kong. You rarely get an American or even a Canadian if you call about a missing deposit or a stop payment. I know that none of my account numbers or routing numbers are in danger if there is another Sepoy Rebellion.

Blogger DonReynolds June 15, 2019 1:38 PM  

The Russians have been courting and wooing India ever since they won independence from the British and that relationship has been cozy and warm. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the advantage in trade has has improved for India because they share the same potential enemy (neighbor)...and that is China. Together, the Russians and the Indians would make a worthy opponent for the Chinese, but separately they would be wildly outclassed.

This is not about the USA and the NeoCons need to butt out. Threatening the Indians will only drive them more into the Russian camp and demonstrate to everyone else that the US cannot be "partners" with anybody. One can only surrender to directions from Washington and that is the worst trade policy I can think of. The best way to have friends is to be one.

Blogger J Van Stry June 15, 2019 1:43 PM  

Don't know if this was mentioned above but the chinese have mastered the art of sticking things in the lawyers of the circuit boards that don't belong there.
As either the NSA or the CIA (I forget which) discovered when they found out all of the computers made with chinese parts had been compromised.
These people are idiots.

Blogger Ska_Boss June 15, 2019 1:46 PM  

I'm okay with this. The USA never should have taken the role of police force of the world in the first place. Send our military to protect the southern border if they have nothing else to do.

Blogger Crew June 15, 2019 1:48 PM  

And the Senate has completely sold out!

thefederalist.com/2019/06/14/unlike-house-u-s-senate-unanimously-condemns-anti-semitism/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2019 1:56 PM  

Thad Tuiol wrote:How long until we hear: "India is taking babies out of incubators! India has weapons of mass destruction! India is bombing tankers near the strait of Hormuz! India uses Novichok!"
Never, because India actually has nukes.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 15, 2019 2:05 PM  

#34,

Great points about the whole, "just-in-time (JIT), inventory is evil," attitude that kills any resilience in the supply chain. JIT is the prevailing attitude at my firm. I imagine things work similarly at other defense companies.

Thus, in the event of a major regional or global war that disrupts these long supply chains there is no reserve of components to keep production running.

Blogger justaguy June 15, 2019 2:28 PM  

We have little idea about whose military equipment works well in combat until that equipment has actually been in combat. That said, weapons that don't work well for arab countries might work quite a bit better in Indian hands... just saying. the Indians seem to have a very professional military with members of the higher castes.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot June 15, 2019 2:47 PM  

So, VD thinks an ally who has "our" plane, but the "enemy's" air defense system (ADS) is NBD? Well, to this old airdale's thinking, to make sure your 'Murican F-35 can safely traverse the Rooskie S-400 ADS, you have to know purty much everything about the F-35 electronic defenses. And, since the "ally" in question is also an "ally" of a country that you are demonizing every day, that could lead to bad outcomes. Like the "ally" selling a F-35 to the Demon Country for their intel to comb over (not to say that hasn't already been done. I think I heard a lot of guffawing from the Kremlin recently...) Still, an old military axiom is, make sure your ally will point their guns in the same direction you do, otherwise, they are not your ally.

Blogger OneWingedShark June 15, 2019 2:58 PM  

dienw wrote:This is not stupidity on the part of American leadership; this is outright malice against the welfare of the American people.
There's a word for that: Treason.
And it would be fairly easy to show how "putting all our [military] eggs in one basket" ("OMG! The F-35 is so great it'll replace *EVERYTHING* from the F-22 to the A-10!") — especially when that 'basket' is compromised by foreign components — is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:JG wrote:... in those days, you could not source a component not made in the USA. ... Relaxing this requirement seems to me incredibly STUPID if you treasure your nation.
The decision makers obviously don't treasure this nation, so this nation obviously isn't their nation.

This is so obvious that when it becomes impossible to ignore or hide, people are going to be amazed.

CM wrote:they are supposed to develop systems that keep our men safe. Needless to say, middle management and outsourcing labor has turned them into something completely foreign to that mission.
If you were to put it in words, what would this 'new' mission be?

binks webelf wrote:Were the power systems to go down via EMP or solar EMP in the U.S., many essential parts for rebuilding the electrical grid are like those out-sourced parts of the F-35.. no longer built or repairable in the U.S., dependent on China and other nations for any hope of rebuilding the grid.
Yep — It's a shame, and looks ever more to be by design to me.

Blogger dienw June 15, 2019 3:25 PM  

@44 So cui bono? Or is it (((cui))) bono?

Blogger kurt9 June 15, 2019 3:54 PM  

Anyhow, the continuing decline of US influence is becoming more apparent every day. No wonder the neocons are desperate to trigger a war between the US and Iran while the US is still capable of fighting one.

A falling camel attracts many knives.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2019 4:13 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:If you were to put it in words, what would this 'new' mission be?
The mission of Lockheed Martin is to exploit the inefficiencies and extremely poor governance of government procurement to extract outsize and where possible monopoly profits by delivering the cheapest possible product for the most outrageous possible price.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon June 15, 2019 4:21 PM  

"Indians run Google"

No, they most certainly do not. The CEO is a gormless, spineless Indian who takes marching orders from Brin and Page. He doesn't do anything without running it by 10 people. The other Indians in upper management are yes-men careerists who realize that their job is to make the company conform to the wishes of the founders. Google's leadership is overwhelmingly Jewish, and the Indians know their place.

Microsoft I have no experience with, so can't comment.

"Once US/Western power is thrown out of Eurasia, Russia will fear China exercising historical claims on its far East"

The Russian military has engaged in numerous joint exercises with China, including a massive one last summer. The agricultural sector is shipping massive mounts of product into China, and the eastern oblasts have allowed Chinese companies to lease a ton of agricultural land.

Some of the various networks that have influence on Russian policy may fear Chinese, but others do not. The average Russian is not thrilled at the idea of the Chinese claiming land, but the average Russian also has zero influence on government policy. Given that Russia is a massive, multi-ethnic country with hundreds of ethnic groups, the term "Russia fears" is overly reductionist to say the least. Not being Russian, I'm not sure how the Lubavitchers or Jewish oligarchs feel about Chinese incursions into Russian territory. (They have way more influence on government than the Buryats, Chechens, Dagestanis, etc).

Blogger CM June 15, 2019 4:51 PM  

CM wrote:they are supposed to develop systems that keep our men safe. Needless to say, middle management and outsourcing labor has turned them into something completely foreign to that mission.
If you were to put it in words, what would this 'new' mission be?


Exploiting the DoD and our country's support for our military to line their pockets while failing to produce a quality product for their customers.

Blogger CM June 15, 2019 4:52 PM  

Heh. I think I answered close to the same.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2019 5:00 PM  

I just read an interesting theory on Tanker War 2.0 is that some Iranians are willing to take their cruise missling and shock and awe so that Trump loses in 2020 a D party rat takes the helm and opens up DC to the highest bidder instead of deferring to the Saudi/Israeli alliance.

Also read that the deep state is going after Georgetown and Texas A&M for taking Qatar money, point being the whores in DC are for sale at all times.

Blogger anorganicbear June 15, 2019 6:38 PM  

> point being the whores in DC are for sale at all times.

To everyone but the American people that is.

Blogger Raker_T June 15, 2019 7:00 PM  

@39 I read most of the article, lines like this stood out:
" It recognizes that the virus of anti-Semitism is different than other forms of hatred"
I wonder if there's a term out there like 'chameleon speak' whereby a term means one thing to most, and something completely different to others.
As far as JIT inventories goes, changes to local taxation laws might cause this. I once got a whole bunch of hickory spokes and wagon parts given to me by a wagon making shop. They were for less common models; and the new state tax laws included inventory on shelves. Of course, someone came up with software to closely track inventory, and problem solved with less revenue to the state than expected. It's almost like they never look at things from a business owner's perspective.

Blogger Paul M June 15, 2019 11:35 PM  

The US-India defense ties will be put at risk should New Delhi purchase Russian S-400 air defense systems, a senior American diplomat warned, noting that India should think very carefully about making such strategic choices.

This is a big deal.

Military sales are the means by which the USA extracts tribute out of its vassal states. The actual bombs and planes dot matter, what matters is the obscene amounts of money going to the MIC and manufacturing jobs in various constituencies.

For India to refuse to buy American is as grave as Gaul refusing to pay the Roman tribute.

India is in a tough spot, because unlike (say) Australia, they actually do need warplanes that work.

Blogger SciVo June 15, 2019 11:52 PM  

Valley Forge Patriot wrote:So, VD thinks an ally who has "our" plane, but the "enemy's" air defense system (ADS) is NBD?

You are too short for this ride. He never said that. If you assume that VD is not a retard, then clearly what he is saying is that our evil ruling class is speaking with a forked tongue when they defend their own interests on the one side and sell out ours on the other.

No principles, only sides. No laws, only men. Just Who/Whom and the Will to Power.

Of course there are side effects when exports are made thoughtlessly. If only our solipsistic ruling class would have such care for the rest of us.

Blogger VinceLRN June 15, 2019 11:56 PM  

The UN report that Peterson worked on, I believe it's called "Global Sustainability, a resilient people, resilient planet, a future worth choosing". Anyways, it actually goes into Free-Trade, which is also termed "equity between Nations". This is a deliberate global redistribution of wealth to achieve more wealth "equality" between countries.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 16, 2019 3:58 AM  

CM wrote:I think I answered close to the same.
Yeah, almost identical

Blogger weka June 16, 2019 5:06 AM  

No. They need to go back. The quality of Alphabet and Microsoft software is falling.

And the USA should remember that quantity matters. Keep it simple reliable, and plentiful.

Finally let the Indians alone. They can always return to the British Empire if they want allies.

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