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Monday, July 01, 2019

Mailvox: defending Ben Shapiro

Jew613 rather unwisely attempted to defend the Littlest Chickenhawk's disrespect for Jesus Christ:
Jews never believed Jesus was anything but a man. This can't possibly be news to you. There are a series of very specific prophecies, which werent fulfilled. Hence the need for a second coming so Jews rejected him. While the Gemara doesnt mention Jesus, the vat of semen story is not about your Jesus, why do you expect reverence for your divinity from another religion? There isnt any such respect shown to from Christians towards Jews, Rabbis, shuls, or the religion itself.
It's not news to me or anyone here that Jews never believed Jesus was anything but a man. Hey, at least they believe he actually existed and walked the Holy Land, right? But apparentlyit is news to a lot of PragerU-supporting Christians and conservative Shapiro fans, which has been demonstrated rather clearly by their reaction to Big Bear breaking the news to them.

As to why we expect respect - not reverence, respect - for our Lord and Savior from another religion, it is because you live in our Christian civilization. You don't live in a Jewish civilization, you don't live in a Jewish society, you don't live in the Jewish homeland, you live in a Christian civilization and a Christian society. So, if you don't want to show respect for Jesus Christ, for Christianity, and Christian traditions, that's your choice and your prerogative, but then by all means get your fat, subversive, inversive asses out of our collective house.

When I lived in Japan, I showed respect for both their Shinto spirits and the Amidha Buddha worshipped by my hosts, not because I believed in any of it in the slightest, but because I was a guest in their civilization and their society. I didn't try to forcibly alter their society because I was accustomed to using a fork instead of chopsticks and leaving my shoes on inside the house. How do you not understand that basic principle of decent human behavior?

Now, it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no respect shown to Jews, Rabbis, shuls, and Judaism by tens of millions of Christians across the West. An ABSOLUTE and shameless lie. But that raises the question, on precisely what grounds does the Jewish religion even merit any respect? What is there to respect, exactly? Very, very few non-Jews even know what that religion is, much less what the average practitioner believes. The rabbis literally make it an imperative, if not a capital offense, to share even basic facts about your religion with outsiders. So how can anyone be expected to respect what is purposefully hidden from them?

More importantly, Christians are not living in your civilization or your society. You are living in ours. You are a guest, you are not a co-owner, let alone the proprietor of the place. That means you owe respect and conformity to Christian rules, traditions, and sensibilities, whereas Christians owe you nothing at all unless they happen to live in Israel.

Now, I am aware that God promised Abraham that he would be "a blessing" and his children would be "to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation". And that was assuming they actually kept their side of the bargain. I note that He never promised the children of Abraham, of which the Jews are a one-thirteenth fraction, that they would heal the world, let alone rule the nations and eat like effendi with thousands of subhuman animals to serve them as slaves.

So, my question to Jew613 is this: who promised you that?

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Blogger doctrev July 01, 2019 4:10 PM  

If there are still Jews who don't think the average American evangelical shows them enough respect, the backlash from Americans is going to be much nastier than anyone anticipates. On the right hand, Muslims didn't create and promote the ACLU to de-Christianize America, and on the left hand Jews insist on living in increasingly diverse areas that hate Jews in general and Israel in particular.

And I think we can get most Americans behind the idea that Bin Laden is WAY less irritating to listen to than Shapiro, no matter what else they believe.

Blogger Matt Robison July 01, 2019 4:12 PM  

With 1 Peter 2:9, and the entire thrust of Romans, its clear all the promises were inherited by Christians, who are now "the holy nation and priesthood."

Jesus said that His Father could raise up children of Abraham from stones if He wanted...and instead He did something more improbable.

That's what gives conscientious Jews a fit. God knew exactly what He was doing in trying to make them jealous.

Blogger NP_see July 01, 2019 4:13 PM  

What kind of religion references a vat of semen in its holy books?

Blogger doctrev July 01, 2019 4:17 PM  

Oh, and if Big Bear is listening: tell your stupid acquaintances worrying about sharia law that there are no Muslims on the Supreme Court trying to make abortion legal, gayness mandatory, and Christianity illegal.

Blogger ar10308 July 01, 2019 4:18 PM  

In Bible study for the last year we have been studying the book of John. We are up to the part right before Pilate allows Jesus to be crucified. And I've seen the Jewish behavior at the time in an astonishing new light. Their behavior hasn't changed in 2000 years.

Before studying John, we studied Galatians. The entire book is Paul's letter in repudiating Judiaizers and Judiac practices for converted Christians.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville July 01, 2019 4:19 PM  

Jew666 be honest and open about what your rabbis and shuls teach, then I dare you to go looking for respect from any non-Jew.

Blogger Rick July 01, 2019 4:20 PM  

Make the rabbi bounce?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 01, 2019 4:22 PM  

In short, Judaism is satanic.

Blogger R Webfoot July 01, 2019 4:26 PM  

@3
"What kind of religion references a vat of semen in its holy books?"

From what I gather, a lot of Jewish texts are not so much "thus speaks Holy Writ" so much as a record of various multi-sided debates and rhetoric.

... Which can be USED as Holy Writ to make rhetorical points, of course. I recall reading about an extremist who attacked a church in Israel in some fashion, and when the police were arresting him, argued with them. "But Maimonides says we are obligated to destroy idols! Tell me, does or does not Maimonides say we are obligated to destroy idols?"

Blogger The Gaelic Lands July 01, 2019 4:27 PM  

IF, one could get a Jew to speak the truth on this issue, they would have to state that this is no longer a Christian civilization but a subverted one, as that is what Jews do to whatever society they are in.

Subvert.

They've been thrown out of every civilized country throughout history.

Read `Blood Passover' by Ariel Toaff to begin to understand why.

Blogger Dave July 01, 2019 4:27 PM  

Now, I am aware that God promised Abraham his children would be "to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation". And that was assuming they actually kept their side of the bargain. I note that He never promised the Jews that they would heal the world, let alone rule the nations and eat like effendi with thousands of subhuman animals to serve them as slaves.

So, my question to Jew613 is this: who promised you that?


mm-hmm

Blogger Manuel July 01, 2019 4:29 PM  

"not about your Jesus"
Yeah, we've heard that one before.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 01, 2019 4:29 PM  

Again, there a billions of people who reject Jesus these days. But the Jews are the only ones who do it proudly by virtue of their race.

And then they cry-bully when you call them out on it.

Blogger Vaughan Williams July 01, 2019 4:33 PM  

This passage from the Law of Moses may be relevant:

Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

So even if they believe Jesus is a false god or an idol, still, the Law tells them not to revile him.

I heard the story about the vat of semen before. A man who converted to Judaism told me he looked into the Talmud and told me "it isn't there". Does anyone have a specific citation from the Talmud? I'm willing to head downtown and do some digging to verify.

Blogger VD July 01, 2019 4:36 PM  

I heard the story about the vat of semen before. A man who converted to Judaism told me he looked into the Talmud and told me "it isn't there". Does anyone have a specific citation from the Talmud? I'm willing to head downtown and do some digging to verify.

It's not Yeshu that is boiling in semen, that is Balaam. Yeshu is said to be boiling in excrement.

Blogger Manuel July 01, 2019 4:39 PM  

@14 https://infogalactic.com/info/Jesus_in_the_Talmud#Punishment_in_the_afterlife

The story starts here: https://www.sefaria.org/Gittin.56b.18?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2019 4:39 PM  

"So, my question to Jew613 is this: who promised you that?"

God did.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Zacharia 8:23

Blogger 🐻Drew🐻 July 01, 2019 4:42 PM  

Vaughan Williams wrote:This passage from the Law of Moses may be relevant:

Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

So even if they believe Jesus is a false god or an idol, still, the Law tells them not to revile him.

I heard the story about the vat of semen before. A man who converted to Judaism told me he looked into the Talmud and told me "it isn't there". Does anyone have a specific citation from the Talmud? I'm willing to head downtown and do some digging to verify.


Gittin 57a if im not mistaken

Blogger VD July 01, 2019 4:50 PM  

God did

That's not the same promise at all. It's most definitely not a promise to rule the world with slaves. Quite to the contrary, it talks about people going to Jerusalem.

This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”

It doesn't say one damn thing about ruling those peoples and nations. In the meantime, you can't even get Jews to go there.

Blogger sumdudesfrysauce July 01, 2019 4:52 PM  

Shimshon wrote:"So, my question to Jew613 is this: who promised you that?"

God did.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Zacharia 8:23


Interpreting that passage as a promise rule is a HUGE stretch.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2019 5:02 PM  

"What is there to respect, exactly? Very, very few non-Jews even know what that religion is, much less what the average practitioner believes."

Vox, I heard you say on Darkstream a little while ago, on your reading of the Talmud, that it made no sense, and at the same time, sounded like lawyers lawyering. Which is it?

The few times I did try to explain some of the structure and nature of the Talmud, my offers of sharing information were shot down.

"The rabbis literally make it an imperative, if not a capital offense, to share even basic facts about your religion with outsiders."

It was noted by by Rabbi Judah the Prince, the redactor the Mishna, which is one component of the Talmud, that merely committing the Oral Law to writing, period, was also a capital offense. He did it anyway, for reasons also explained.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2019 5:03 PM  

"Interpreting that passage as a promise rule is a HUGE stretch."

It's a prophecy, not a promise. It will happen. Hopefully I will live to see it.

Blogger BastionHarm July 01, 2019 5:04 PM  

ar10308 wrote:In Bible study for the last year we have been studying the book of John. We are up to the part right before Pilate allows Jesus to be crucified. And I've seen the Jewish behavior at the time in an astonishing new light. Their behavior hasn't changed in 2000 years.

One impression I had of "Jewish behavior" (Pharisees and Sadducees) is that, then as today, they want an earthly Messiah to bring about, shall we say, "Tikkun Olam" leading to the creation of an earthly, materialistic kingdom on Earth, ruled over by their tribe.

Yep, nothing's changed in 2000 years.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2019 5:05 PM  

Kings and queens will serve you and care for all your needs. They will bow to the earth before you and lick the dust from your feet. Then you will know that I am the Lord. Those who trust in me will never be put to shame.”
Isaiah 49:23

That's right. The gentiles will lick the dust of our feet. Not just the gentiles. Kings and queens. Says so in our Bible.

Blogger Vaughan Williams July 01, 2019 5:07 PM  

About Jews ruling the nations, I have met a lot of Messianics who interpret "The Law will go forth out of Jerusalem" as Jews ruling the world in the future.

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2019 5:07 PM  

Jew613,

Which prophecies were not fulfilled by Jesus? While you're thinking on that, follow Shimshon's example and make aaliyah. Get the fuxk out of America. If you're already there, stay there.

Blogger Vaughan Williams July 01, 2019 5:10 PM  

@16 Manuel, @18 Drew, thank you for the references. The nearest physical Talmud is a bit of a journey away, I will try to get down there in the next couple days.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 01, 2019 5:11 PM  

Knock off "Jew666" bullshit.

He's been here a long time and merits respect.

Blogger Vaughan Williams July 01, 2019 5:15 PM  

@21 Shimshon, there is no contradiction between "lawyers lawyering" and "making no sense". A lot like the dribble from the Greek philosophers, logicing up towers on air with their ridiculous false premises.

Blogger VD July 01, 2019 5:19 PM  

Vox, I heard you say on Darkstream a little while ago, on your reading of the Talmud, that it made no sense, and at the same time, sounded like lawyers lawyering. Which is it?

You must not have spent much time around lawyers lawyering. Both, obviously. For example, in our current case, the opposition shamelessly contradicts itself from paragraph to paragraph. Lawyers lawyering never makes sense because they're always trying to reach a specific conclusion regardless of the facts.

The few times I did try to explain some of the structure and nature of the Talmud, my offers of sharing information were shot down.

Two Jews, three opinions. It doesn't matter what you say, the next Jew will claim that you're wrong and that's not what Jews believe.

That's right. The gentiles will lick the dust of our feet. Not just the gentiles. Kings and queens. Says so in our Bible.

We don't have any kings and queens in America, so you can count us out.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2019 5:20 PM  

There is a structure and organization to the Talmud. It cannot, or should not, be read in the same manner as the Tanach. If you want to do so regardless, and consider it dribble, it's not on me.

Blogger Rex Leroy King July 01, 2019 5:21 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Knock off "Jew666" bullshit.

He's been here a long time and merits respect.


So had Wheeler.

Blogger Rex Leroy King July 01, 2019 5:21 PM  

Shimshon wrote:There is a structure and organization to the Talmud.

That's a typical bald-faced Jewish lie.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 01, 2019 5:21 PM  

Also, just for general info. Jew613 lives in Israel.

Blogger sammibandit July 01, 2019 5:22 PM  

I love it when jews talk about what is promised them. It's like they completely forget the comeuppance that has and will come.

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke 10:17


Oh, they say they aren't subject. They are. They couldn't kill the church last war. They cannot kill the external.

The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.
Deuteronomy 33:27


Are you not driven jews, your blood corrupted? Are you not expelled from every land you settle as is always prophesied?

Blogger Martin July 01, 2019 5:23 PM  

VD wrote:It's not Yeshu that is boiling in semen, that is Balaam. Yeshu is said to be boiling in excrement.

Well, to be fair, there is a convincing argument to be made that references in the Talmud to Balaam are actually references to Jesus.

Blogger sumdudesfrysauce July 01, 2019 5:29 PM  

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Blogger sumdudesfrysauce July 01, 2019 5:30 PM  

You like how Jews don't defer to the word of their god, but instead follow Rabbinical tradition? I.E. the traditions of man/traditions of their fathers?

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson July 01, 2019 5:32 PM  

Whenever anything written is Word Salad it is because the authors are trying to cloud what they wrote so that others can't understand it. It's how you know that Jordan B. Peterson is a fraud because he writes and talks in full Word Salad.

If the Talmud is impossible to understand and requires secret instruction to understand then that means that it is pure Word Salad. If the Talmud is World Salad then there must be lots of things that (((certain people))) don't want outsiders to know in it.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville July 01, 2019 5:34 PM  

@34 Also, just for general info. Jew613 lives in Israel.

So? What bearing does that have on anything?

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 01, 2019 5:36 PM  

Speaking of Japan and Jews. From (Jewish scholar) writing about Jews in China during WW2:

"There was a special report prepared by a Mr. Murakawa, a Vice Consul in the Shanghai Consulate General on the Russian Jewish community of Shanghai. This report was sent to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. It is a lengthy report and deals with the communal activities of the Russian Jewish community and their leaders...

There are some anti-Jewish observations in the report concerning the objectives and political affiliations of the Russian Jews. Some 2,000 of them were registered with the Russian Refugee Committee, while over 3,000 had passports from Soviet Russia, Poland, Portugal or China.
The main spirit of the report is indicated by these quotations from it:

"However, no matter what kind of passports they may have or no matter what camps they may belong to, they all work for the Soviet Union.... The Jews in Russia were masters of the Soviet people up to the time of the German-Soviet war, and they still are masters at the present time. ... The Jewish religion under the Soviet Union has become a National religion... No matter what circumstances Jews may be in, they all work for the advantage of the Soviet Union..."

Dicker, H. (1962). Wanderers and settlers in the Far East : a century of Jewish life in China and Japan, page 130.


Of course, the author, being Jewish, doesn't stop to ask if the claims made by the Japanese were true. The important point is that they criticized Jews, which is forbidden. Apparently the Japanese were well aware that Jews toppled the Christian government in Russia and turned it into something else.

Blogger Stilicho July 01, 2019 5:37 PM  

@24 shimson text without context is often pretext. Isaiah was specifically prophesying the return from the babylonian captivity and the re-establishment of Israel there. It isn't a free pass for future transgressions much less for rejection of the Logos.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 01, 2019 5:38 PM  

Shimshon wrote:"Interpreting that passage as a promise rule is a HUGE stretch."

It's a prophecy, not a promise. It will happen. Hopefully I will live to see it.


If you do live to see it, you will see that the ``jews'' are not your fellow apostates, but the faithful Hebrews who have not denied their messiah.

Blogger OneWingedShark July 01, 2019 5:38 PM  

Shimshon wrote:Kings and queens will serve you and care for all your needs. They will bow to the earth before you and lick the dust from your feet. Then you will know that I am the Lord. Those who trust in me will never be put to shame.”
Isaiah 49:23

That's right. The gentiles will lick the dust of our feet. Not just the gentiles. Kings and queens. Says so in our Bible.

It says "Those who trust in me will never be put to shame." — Tell me, does the action of the average Jew speak ANYTING to the act of trusting God? And, what of the Gentile who trusts God, should he be put to shame because he isn't Jewish?

Blogger dienw July 01, 2019 5:39 PM  

Matt Robison wrote:With 1 Peter 2:9, and the entire thrust of Romans, its clear all the promises were inherited by Christians, who are now "the holy nation and priesthood."

No. The Jews at Christ's time were Edomites, Mixed people of the Canaanites left after the original conquest of Canaan, mixed peoples who came back with the Jews from Babylon; and the descendants of those who came with the Israelites out of Egypt; and, remember, those Jews who came back from Babylon included those who were descendants of the the inhabitants of Jerusalem who were already corrupted by and inbred with the Jebusites who inhabited Jerusalem: these are the people whom Christ did not consider to be the sheep of his pasture; there were actual Judahites and Benjaminites; for, those who believed Christ were out of these people.

Christ came to make a new covenant with the "Lost" tribes of Israel which includedthe actual Judahites who were removed previous to the removal of the inhabitants of Jerusalem: these tribes were, as Josephus writes, a vast people beyond the Caucasus region: they had already moved up the Danube; it is to these people that Jesus sent the seventy; and it is to these people to whom he sent the apostles: the Jews at the time of Christ knew where the tribes were. These Israelite tribes became known as the Goths and were pushed into western Europe by Atila the Hun; the tribes moved into northwetern Europe; one tribe went into Spain, members of others went into northern Italy and were destroyed when the Papalcy arose; another set went into North Africa and were eventually pushed out by the Moslems.

It is these sons of Isaac - Anglo-Saxons - who became Christians and were the foundation of European Christiandom.

The promises never were removed from the Israelites.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 01, 2019 5:44 PM  

@15

"It's not Yeshu that is boiling in semen, that is Balaam. Yeshu is said to be boiling in excrement."

Not that I care enough to read it, but Peter Schafer's book "jesus in the talmud" talks about this at length. Princeton University Press, so I think he is probably more authoritative than anonymous internet commenters hastily trying to cover up embarrassing info.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 01, 2019 5:47 PM  

Without persecution, what's a Jew to do?

Why do Jews promote diversity? I think being hated is for many Jews a source of strength. You can see what happens to them in countries like China where no one knows anything about them and couldn't care either - they disperse into the population.

Which explains why Jews exist in Iran, Germany, etc... and not so much in Japan, China, etc... They gain strength by being hated.

How does that Polish saying go? "He cries out in pain as he strikes you”.

Blogger John July 01, 2019 5:51 PM  

Christians are the TRUE Children of Abraham. Jesus said this.

It amazes me that anyone can talk non-ironically about "replacement theology," as if it is somehow not the default teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus IS God's plan for the Jews. Jesus IS how God blesses the nations through Abraham.

Blogger dienw July 01, 2019 5:53 PM  

Shimshon wrote:"So, my question to Jew613 is this: who promised you that?"

God did.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Zacharia 8:23


The word "jew" is a perverse translation from the actual Hebrew word that is used:

that is a Jew,H3064 saying,
yeh-hoo-dee'
Patronymic from H3063; a Jehudite (that is, Judaite..., or descendant of Jehudah (that is, Judah)


Using the word "Jew" as a translation for the Hebrew is a corruption/deception from the late 18th century. The deception is to use the secondary meaning of Jew ( follower of Judaism/Phariseeism) in place of the primary meaning Judahite.

Blogger Gregory the Tall July 01, 2019 6:04 PM  

Well, as a Pakistani taxi driver once cheerfully said to me: Don't worry. God watches these people for a while, and then he hits them even harder.

Blogger FrankNorman July 01, 2019 6:13 PM  

Christ came to make a new covenant with the "Lost" tribes of Israel which includedthe actual Judahites who were removed previous to the removal of the inhabitants of Jerusalem: these tribes were, as Josephus writes, a vast people beyond the Caucasus region: they had already moved up the Danube; it is to these people that Jesus sent the seventy; and it is to these people to whom he sent the apostles: the Jews at the time of Christ knew where the tribes were. These Israelite tribes became known as the Goths and were pushed into western Europe by Atila the Hun; the tribes moved into northwetern Europe; one tribe went into Spain, members of others went into northern Italy and were destroyed when the Papalcy arose; another set went into North Africa and were eventually pushed out by the Moslems.

It is these sons of Isaac - Anglo-Saxons - who became Christians and were the foundation of European Christiandom.


Jesus sent the Seventy all the way to the Danube region?

The interpretation you are pushing there is a fringe one, to put it politely.

Blogger Grime Knight July 01, 2019 6:14 PM  

I've found it useful to think of it less as "replacement theology" as opposed to "expansion theology". Which is to say, salvation through Christ is offered to both the jew and the gentile.

The people of God is now expanded, and Jews just want to be snowflakes even though, according to Ezekiel, God chose a pathetic nation like Israel precisely to show that it is through Him and not man that salvation comes.

Blogger Unknown July 01, 2019 6:15 PM  

There is no difference between a Jew's explanation of his beliefs or of the proper Talmud structure and a /pol/ack anon's explanation of his beliefs or of the proper /pol/ structure.

Blogger Garuna July 01, 2019 6:17 PM  

There isnt any such respect shown to from Christians towards Jews

Fucking ingrate. Make Pogroms Great Again.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton July 01, 2019 6:19 PM  

Jews and anti-Semitism? My speculation is that pressure from an external enemy promotes group cohesion. After Cato the Elder got his wish about the late and unlamented Carthage, the Roman Republic began to fissure. Velocity of social change being much slower back then, it was a century before Rome got Caesar. Too, with the fall of the Soviet Union, fissiparous political tendencies gained more power in the United States.

Blogger Rek. July 01, 2019 6:22 PM  

Judeo-christian values?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 01, 2019 6:22 PM  

@24. Shimshon

When will it happen, when Messiah comes or returns? Can you be saved by observing THE Law of Moses, all of it? Is current day Israel observing THE Law? What does THE Law say about possession of the land if Israel fails to obey THE Law?


Blogger Garuna July 01, 2019 6:26 PM  

Well, as a Pakistani taxi driver once cheerfully said to me: Don't worry. God watches these people for a while, and then he hits them even harder.

God bless. Used to really hate Muslims a few years ago. But I've started to feel some sympathy for them. Imagine having your family killed before your eyes and your country obliterated by people who think you're subhuman. Hard not to get radicalized by that.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 01, 2019 6:26 PM  

@45. dienw

Good grief!

Christ sent His apostles to make disciples of all nations. We are to preach the Gospel Of Jesus Christ to ALL people.

Blogger Sargent.matrim July 01, 2019 6:30 PM  

The modern practicing Jew has the same perspective on the law, the Old Testament, and Jesus, that the Pharisees did. They have added to the law, nullified God's word with their tradition, and hate Jesus, as much as the religious leaders do.

I think many Christian's confuse modern Judaism with Israelites like David and Moses, who loved God.

But Jews hate God, because they hate Jesus, through whom the father is revealed. I explained this to a Christian friend of mine recently about Shapiro, and he said: great point. He hadn't actually thought of that. He's now suspicious of Shapiro's intentions.

A lot of Christian's just need it explained and then the penny drops.

What Jesus said about the Pharisees applies to modern practitioners of the Babylonian religion called Talmudism. It's not similar to Christianity, it is as you say the antithesis of Christianity.

Blogger tublecane July 01, 2019 6:33 PM  

"There isn't any such respect shown to from Christians towards Jews, Rabbis, shuls, or the religion itself"

All too much respect is shown by some Christians, in fact.

In any case, you might be forgetting the Old Testament is part of the Bible, and many Jewish figures are revered by Christians.

Blogger Sargent.matrim July 01, 2019 6:34 PM  

The idea that Christian's don't respect Jews is crazy. Most Christians I know go beyond respect and still see Jews as the other people of God. Because of their dispensational theology they go above and beyond the simple Christian duty to love our neighbour.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 01, 2019 6:35 PM  

"Kings and queens will serve you and care for all your needs. They will bow to the earth before you and lick the dust from your feet. Then you will know that I am the Lord. Those who trust in me will never be put to shame.”

If you interpret those prophecies as referring to Christianity, then the obeisance the German Emperor Henry IV had to make to the Pope, or Emperor Theodosius to St. Ambrose the Archbishop of Milan, among other incidents, would appear to explain this passage better.

Blogger basementhomebrewer July 01, 2019 6:42 PM  

When will it happen, when Messiah comes or returns? Can you be saved by observing THE Law of Moses, all of it? Is current day Israel observing THE Law? What does THE Law say about possession of the land if Israel fails to obey THE Law?



The excuses on this becomes rather weak. "We can't follow the law because we we can't perform the sacrifice of the red heifer". So instead they made up a bunch of their own rules and excuses rather than getting the message from God that the LAW was replaced by a new covenant.

Blogger Sargent.matrim July 01, 2019 6:44 PM  

Isaiah 49:23 says that kings and queens will lick the dust at Israel's feet.

In Revelation 3:9 Jesus says that the faithful Christian's will benefit from that prophecy. He says: 9 "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

Israel are the people of God, who trust in Christ by faith (Eph. 2). That prophecy doesn't apply to the Israel that Jews think it does.

At least according to Jesus, who would know.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 01, 2019 6:47 PM  

John wrote:It amazes me that anyone can talk non-ironically about "replacement theology," as if it is somehow not the default teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus IS God's plan for the Jews. Jesus IS how God blesses the nations through Abraham.


Replacement theology is a red herring. It's the idea that God broke His promise to Abraham in favor of Christians. It's all lies.

Some Christians are literal descendants of Abraham, some are spiritual descendants grafted onto his tree. All are faithful Hebrews at least in spirit, since we follow His messiah.

None of the people who call themselves Jews today are part of God's promise, because to call themselves Jews they must reject the messiah and the God of the Patriarchs who sent Him.

Blogger James Pyrich July 01, 2019 6:48 PM  

"There isnt any such respect shown to from Christians towards Jews, Rabbis, shuls, or the religion itself."

Well, if they're merely kowtowing and shouting "yes massah" to your demands but stop short of licking the dust off your feet, I can see how you might consider that disrespectful.

Blogger SmokeyJoe July 01, 2019 6:49 PM  

@Shimshon and anyone else...

"Kings and queens will serve you and care for all your needs. They will bow to the earth before you and lick the dust from your feet. Then you will know that I am the Lord. Those who trust in me will never be put to shame.”
Isaiah 49:23

Don't get carried away by the above verse...

Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Those of the elect are at the feet of the standard, who is Christ, and even the Kenites will then understand and know who Christ is and bow to that standard.

It is stated that on the first day of the Millennium, every knee will bow to Christ, and even the Kenites (those who say they are "jews" but are not) themselves would bow to Christ and to those that knew who they were, and withstood Satan.

Yes, there is a difference between "jews" (of the tribe of Judah) and Kenites. The other tribes of Israel still exist. Like it or lump it.

Blogger Sargent.matrim July 01, 2019 6:59 PM  

Exactly Israel wasn't replaced. The wall of hostility was broken down and now anyone can join the people of God (Israel/the church) by faith.

All who reject Jesus are not of Israel they are cast out, all who believe in Jesus, whether Jew or Gentile, are of Israel, which is the church.

So Israel wasnt replaced, it was expanded. Ephesians 2 explains this well.

Blogger JovianStorm July 01, 2019 7:06 PM  

The crazy thing is that the Jews aren't aware of the ability of the West to simply stop shielding them from the numerous enemies their own duplicitousness has created for them over the past 50 centuries.

They've been pulling the puppet strings for so long that they've become complacent, emboldened, and embedded in society instead of staying mobile and ready to flee danger.

This adds up to a Biblical-style reckoning when the Christian world gets backed into a corner. God used the Jews to fulfill prophecy and get Jesus on the cross. He's going to use them to precipitate Armageddon. Why wouldn't He also use them to antagonize the followers of Christ into action for the betterment of the planet?

Vox, if you ever find yourself in the Tokyo area I owe you more than several beers or masu of sake.

Blogger John July 01, 2019 7:07 PM  

@66 Ominous Cowherd

"Replacement theology is a red herring. It's the idea that God broke His promise to Abraham in favor of Christians. It's all lies. 

Some Christians are literal descendants of Abraham, some are spiritual descendants grafted onto his tree. All are faithful Hebrews at least in spirit, since we follow His messiah. 

None of the people who call themselves Jews today are part of God's promise, because to call themselves Jews they must reject the messiah and the God of the Patriarchs who sent Him."

Exactly.

Blogger Lab Rat July 01, 2019 7:11 PM  

A fair argument can be made that God did not even sanction the second temple, and that the Jews never turned back to him (as a nation) after the carrying away into Babylon. We have what may be the only indirect reference to the Oral Torah in Nehemiah 8:4-8.

4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6 And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground.

7 Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.

8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

This is exactly what Jews always say the purpose of the Oral Torah (Talmud) is for, to make clear the laws of the written Torah, which they say cannot be performed properly without the expositions of the Oral Torah. So, if we take verses 7-8 as meaning that an oral exposition of the meaning of the written law was given in the time of Ezra, we can say that the Oral Torah tradition was present by the time of the return from Babylon.

Now, in Ezra 6:15-18 we see the description of the dedication of the second temple, which is marked by sacrifices by the Jews. This can be contrasted with the dedication of the tabernacle in Exodus 40:33-35 and the dedication of the first temple in I Kings 8:10-11, which both describe the glory of the LORD filling the house in the form of a cloud.

Blogger Jason July 01, 2019 7:13 PM  

God has made the gospel so easy to comprehend even children can understand it. God wants people to understand and believe the Gospel. He provided a straight forward path to the Holy of Holies for anyone, through simple faith in Christ. How frustrating that has to be to those who prefer to enslave people with endless tasks, rites, ceremonies, etc., they must perform to approach God. God's actual path makes a mockery of all that nonsense, which, as we observe every day, infuriates all who preach and practice that other useless garbage, whether it's Jews, Muslims, or any other pretender to the throne.

Blogger Rabbi B July 01, 2019 7:16 PM  

May the Vox and Ilk bear with me while I beat the dead horse, yet once again...

We have so many good examples in the Torah and in the Tanach of how we are supposed to conduct ourselves in someone else's land, not to mention specific instructions from Hashem Himself.

Our forefather Ya'akov was quite distressed in the affair with Dinah and his sons' response to her kidnapping. He was concerned that he would become a stench to the people around him on account of their poor behavior.

I wonder if Mordechai was concerned about the King's religion when he saved the King's life by revealing a conspiracy to assassinate the king? Or was Mordechai seeking to benefit the nation to which he had been exiled, even if it was a nation who would order the destruction of the Jews on a whim?

I wonder if Joseph was able to work on behalf of and for the good the nation of Egypt, a nation which would forget about him and later enslave and oppress his people for 400 years, without regard to whether the Pharaoh worshiped the same G-d as he did?

I could go on ...there is no merit or commendation in suffering persecution for being an obnoxious asshole in someone else's country. Even Esther said she wouldn't have bothered the King if the decree had meant slavery and not death for her people, but would instead suffer well on Hashem's behalf. That is truly noble behavior which shines the light of Torah as G-d intended.

Our great Patriachs, Moses, King David, the Prophets, et al did not go crying to anti-defamation league every time someone called them a bad name ...rather they suffered well, doubled down, and continued to serve their G-d and their fellowman as they had been commanded and I never see them bitching and complaining about the Ba'al worship around them.

Our sages teach that the greatest and highest praise from Hashem is to be considered an eved Hashem, a servant of Hashem, and consequently, a servant of our fellowman, Jew and non-Jew alike.

So, I ask my dear, brethren who claim to be lovers of the Torah and servants of Hashem ... how are you serving the those around you? What will G-d say of your service to Him and to the least among us? How are you shining the light of the Torah in all the nations to which you have been scattered? How are you emulating some of the greatest servants we have ever know ... Abraham ... who, while recovering from the pain of his recent circumcision ran to greet the non-Jewish travelers so he could serve them?

Shame on us. Shame on us ...

May Hashem make us half the servants Moshe was and Abraham. Would we be guilty of being faithful in all of G-d's house as Moses was.

We, who make our boast in the Torah, do we dishonor God through breaking the Torah? For the name of G-d is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of us ...(cf. Isaiah)


Blogger carnaby July 01, 2019 7:29 PM  

"o, I ask my dear, brethren who claim to be lovers of the Torah and servants of Hashem ... how are you serving the those around you?"

By foisting gun control on us, apparently.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2019 7:33 PM  

...And abortion
...and feminism
...and rampant faggotry
...widespread societal collapse
...and last but not least, pedophilia

Blogger rondolf July 01, 2019 7:37 PM  

"That's right. The gentiles will lick the dust of our feet. Not just the gentiles. Kings and queens. Says so in our Bible."

Well, that was revealing.

Blogger Crush Limbraw July 01, 2019 7:37 PM  

As former believer that Jews observed the OT, this article by The Saker was an education in itself - https://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-crash-course-on-the-true-causes-of-anti-semitism/

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2019 7:38 PM  

"Our Bible"

Which bible is that, Shimshon?

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 01, 2019 7:54 PM  

Shapiro's opinion of Jesus wouldn't matter in the slighest if he weren't trying to sell Judeo-Christianity, which is presented to Christians as a sort of kissing-cousins relationship, as if Jews are almost Christian except for a sticking point or two or some different holidays. The fact that anyone would be surprised that a Jew would *not* think Jesus was a prophet or divine just shows how effective that lie has been. But if one group says Jesus is God and the other group says he's just a man (at best), there's no hyphenation to be had there.

Blogger John July 01, 2019 8:03 PM  

RUBBLE BOUNCED

Blogger Robert Browning July 01, 2019 8:23 PM  

Shapiro is lying. The Jews did believe Christ to be the son of God. Why persecute, torture and torment an innocent man who did no wrong? The only explanation is the Jews wanted something out of Christ. But what? Christ was the son of God the Jews knew it and wanted him to meet the demands and expectations the Jews had for their messiah. But Christ refused. Christ chose to die instead.

Blogger Sargent.matrim July 01, 2019 8:39 PM  

Jesus told a parable that basically said as much. And the owner of the vineyard sent his son and they killed the son and claimed the vineyard was now theirs.

Hence why Jesus said their father was the devil.

Blogger Clay July 01, 2019 9:02 PM  

I know I will be castigated for this, but, here it goes...again.

Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.

Lord help me, it reminds me of Mao's Little Red Book.

Blogger doctrev July 01, 2019 9:06 PM  

We know the Old Testament was written by a Jew, and that Jesus was a descendant of King David. That was never in doubt.

So why don't Jews acknowledge the Bible, and the cross?

Blogger Gastguma July 01, 2019 9:20 PM  

The birthright was given to Joseph and his sons Ephraim and Manasseh, not Judah:

Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright. For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)
(1 Chronicles 5:1-2)

Joseph and his sons were given blessings above his brethren:

And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him. And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn. And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head. And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh. And Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers. Moreover I have given to thee one portion above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow.
(Genesis 48:13-22)

Remember these are Israelites, but are not Jews (descendants of Judah). Also, consider the set of prophecies about the the tribes of Israel to be fulfilled in the last days(Gen. 49:1), particularly Joseph's:

Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
(Genesis 49:22-26)

The fate of the other tribes of Israel is something that has been neglected by Jews and Christians alike, but especially Jews. I won't get into the theories, but the plain reading of these and other scriptures is that the Jews are only a minority of God's chosen physical nation, and not even the most blessed at that. I'll just say that I think when the Messiah returns, many Jews will be shocked and ashamed at how they have treated their Israelite brothers, not to mention their treatment of the actual Messiah.

Blogger David Craig July 01, 2019 9:33 PM  

A friend in need once needed a place to stay, and slept on my "uncomfortable" couch. My wife said to him, "in Mexico, we have a saying, 'you don't ask for a ride and too drive the car too.'" Jews should be more grateful for the couches they've slept on, I think.

Blogger Grime Knight July 01, 2019 9:34 PM  

Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.

Because everyone knows it already while you're sitting here thinking you've got some deep insight on par with basic Sunday school teaching for 2nd graders.

Blogger David Craig July 01, 2019 9:34 PM  

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Blogger Daniel Babylon July 01, 2019 9:36 PM  

Clay wrote:I know I will be castigated for this, but, here it goes...again.

Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.


Castigated for your dishonesty, sure. Are you saying that every time you have asked this question all you got was silence?

To answer your question, the books of the Bible were written through descendants of Abraham with the direction of God. They were not written, as you SEEM to be implying, by Ben Shapiro himself.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 01, 2019 9:43 PM  

Clay wrote:Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.

Lord help me, it reminds me of Mao's Little Red Book.

Wow, that's moronic. I assume you mean we should discard it because it was written by Jews? Sine Christians believe that God chose to reveal Himself by way of the Jews, and we believe that what was written in Scripture was only that which he wished to have there, what difference does it make who wrote it? We don't have any real idea who wrote Revelation. Does it matter?
Get over your incredibly stupid "Jew on a stick" Atheist/Pagan LARPER schtick. Nobody buys it but other morons.

Blogger Janus July 01, 2019 9:49 PM  

Clay wrote:I know I will be castigated for this, but, here it goes...again.

Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.

Lord help me, it reminds me of Mao's Little Red Book.


The "jews" being criticized are not the Jews who wrote the Bible.

How is that not obvious to you?

Your question is irrelevant to the topic - those such as Abraham and David are on *our* side to begin with, not that of the modern pretenders - and thus are not part of the group being criticized.

The answer to your question is you're too short for the ride.

Blogger The Course of Empire July 01, 2019 10:13 PM  

I posted this within a Christian FB group I'm part of. I did get some blow back, but far more were on my side and even had people thank me, because they've been afraid to say the same. People are figuring it out, but they've been cowed into silence. We don't have to be extremely hostile, just dispassionately present the facts. Anyway, for what it's worth, this is what I said:

A serious question: why do we tend to treat Muslims as inherently more non or anti-Christ than we do Jews? I’m not trying to troll or get into any perceived conspiracy theories here, but I mean, let’s look at these two beliefs as objectively and dispassionately as we can. Let’s compare:

First, Islam (setting aside all the political issues, such as terrorist attacks) is clearly a work oriented belief system that has lifted certain aspects from the Bible, distorted many, and added far more. It is definitely not just some other version of Christianity (the whole Abrahamic religious connection is really mostly bogus) and is a false religion. They see any and all non-Muslims as infidels who are of lower position and without a doubt damned (to be fair, isn’t that similar to the Biblical view of any who are not of Christ? Except with a less hostile tone to it, with greater emphasis on love and the prayerful hope many would repent and be saved).

Having said that, it has a fairly high and respectful view of Christ, albeit incomplete and erroneous; it also has quite a high view of the Bible, including the New Testament, which I understand Muslims call the Gospels, but they (again) have an incomplete and erroneous view of it that it’s an inferior/corrupted version of Allah’s word.

Secondly, Judaism (as far as the variation that existed since the time of Christ to today, though I realize there are different sects, but so does Islam) was originally hostile to Christianity (until the latter became too strong for it) and has views completely antithetical to Christ, Christianity, and Christians. Any who hold more closely to the Talmud believe Jesus’ mother Mary was effectively a whore, Jesus’ father was a Roman solider (I don’t believe it was a marital relationship and he was not part of Jesus’ life), and Jesus was the most damnable being ever (or pretty close to that) who is boiling forever in a vat of excrement for his wickedness (by the way, Ben Shapiro basically admittedly all but the last part in a recent interview- I think it was with Joe Rogan, but can’t be certain; so he almost certainly knows of the rest of the view and likely agrees with it or, at least, won’t openly condemn it). They also believe the New Testament is effectively garbage and in no way worthy of consideration and that all non-Jews (or Gentiles, which are often called Goyim - at least within many Jewish circles, a word that I’ve heard can mean cattle or, at least, animals/sub-humans. Regardless, not a positive definition); so not exactly any better than Islam (and, yes, Christians don’t see non-Christians much better either, though perhaps with more love; see above).

Blogger The Course of Empire July 01, 2019 10:13 PM  

Had to do this in two parts, part two:

So, again, why do we in the so-called Christian West elevate one more than the other? Why do we say such nonsense things like Judeo-Christian, when Judaism is mostly antithetical to Christianity? Would we ever say Islamo-Christian, just because there are some connections between the two? No, most would say that’s ridiculous, if not blasphemous. Yet here we are acting as if the Judaism that first really showed itself by Christ’s time and has (if anything) gone even farther away from the faith of believers in the OT (let alone those who came from the time of Christ forward) is somehow aligned with Biblical Christianity. I know much of it is due to the poor theology of Dispensationalism influencing not only Dispensationalist Christians, but it’s also common among other Christians and many secular conservatives, too. Yet, if one looks at things a bit more forensically (maybe too strong a word?) not only is it that should we not hold one more highly than the other; one seems a bit better . . . And it’s not Judaism.

Blogger Lazarus July 01, 2019 10:16 PM  

Clay wrote:Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.

Was it not written by Hebrews and Christians under inspiration from God?

For instance, Moses who is considered the author of the Torah was a Levite, not of the tribe of Judah.

As soon as whoever was a Jew became a believer in Christ, they became Christians, not Jews.

Blogger Azimus July 01, 2019 10:23 PM  

SDL why let such a tiny group of antagonistic people capture your attention?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2019 10:26 PM  

Azimus,

To ask the question is to answer it.

Blogger Lazarus July 01, 2019 10:31 PM  

Azimus wrote:SDL why let such a tiny group of antagonistic people capture your attention?

Ask an Arab.

Blogger English Tom July 01, 2019 10:31 PM  

@Sgt58/animal Mother

And the body bags. Don't forget the body bags. And those yet to come.

Blogger Beardy Bear July 01, 2019 10:36 PM  

Gastguma wrote:The birthright was given to Joseph and his sons Ephraim and Manasseh, not Judah:

Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright. For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

(1 Chronicles 5:1-2)


Judah was given authority to rule. Judah wants to conquer, rule, and in its unrighteous desire for dominion, even enslave. Of those Judah counts as Goyim, many will be exposed as brothers. In the same way the 11 shamefully sold Joseph into slavery, Judah sells all of Israel.

Zech 9 KJV:

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;

13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.

14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.

16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

17 For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

Blogger Lazarus July 01, 2019 10:38 PM  

Sorta related:

Donald Trump’s Father was so Dedicated to Israel Causes, People Thought he was Jewish

Blogger Dos Voltz July 01, 2019 10:40 PM  

Go ahead and "preach," fags.

But if Christian efforts are rejected with murder and mayhem, then what?

A retaliatory homicidal rejection of the murderers is sanctioned. (By me and by all men of other faiths, philosophies and traditions). See St. Bernard at Vezalay.

There is a "Christian" film called "End of the Spear" (I think, maybe, Tip of the Spear?) which is based on real events. A pseudo-documentary that appeals to faggot cucks.

It's a story of a lost tribe of nose-bone, near-naked cave midgets in an Amazon jungle who murder those trying to offer them charity. The charitable Christians are, of course, the evil, oppressive ones who are in desperate need of real KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING. "There is much to learn, white man."

No other race on planet Earth is so admonished and willing to kneel.

Not surprisingly, the Christian hero (like many others before him) is killed in a horrible, stabby way. Fuck spoiler alerts.

In the beautiful, endearing, and Godly end of this film (I shit you not), the murderous, midget brown guy that killed a beloved family member is taken in and cared for by that same family. Brought to the USA. To enjoy our way of life, which he deserves, of course. He will teach his half-white kids to identify as oppressed mestizos. They will benefit from his father's act of murder, and from his benefactor's insane forgiveness, compassion, and support.

In his own culture he ate bugs out of tree bark. And murdered Christian missionaries.

The chuckle at the end of the movie is how the brown midget cave man is laughing it up at the marvels of magic ATM cards. Which is just code for the marvels of white guilt.

At that moment in the movie I wanted to gut him and put his head on a pike. But my fellow "Christians" of the evangelical stripe wept with affirming joy.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel July 01, 2019 10:40 PM  

"do you expect reverence for your divinity from another religion? "

No just the respect afforded "the prophet" Mohammed.

Blogger English Tom July 01, 2019 10:41 PM  

@Azimus

Ask Barbara Lerner Specter.

Blogger Jack Amok July 01, 2019 10:43 PM  

sounded like lawyers lawyering

And the Lord God created a covenant with His chosen people, whereby the rights and obligations were spelled out. And thus did God create Lawyers...

Blogger Lazarus July 01, 2019 11:07 PM  

Dos Voltz wrote:"End of the Spear"

The Rotten Tomatoes critics gave it a 40%, but the people liked it at 80%

Maybe you are outta touch like the atheist critics.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 01, 2019 11:13 PM  

Dos Voltz wrote:Go ahead and "preach," fags.
Careful there. You're getting spooge on the keyboard.

Blogger Clay July 01, 2019 11:29 PM  

Janus wrote:Clay wrote:I know I will be castigated for this, but, here it goes...again.

Why don't all you people realize that the Bible, which you cherish so much, with it's scriptures, was written mainly by Jews? No one ever seems to have an answer.

Lord help me, it reminds me of Mao's Little Red Book.


The "jews" being criticized are not the Jews who wrote the Bible.

How is that not obvious to you?

Your question is irrelevant to the topic - those such as Abraham and David are on *our* side to begin with, not that of the modern pretenders - and thus are not part of the group being criticized.

The answer to your question is you're too short for the ride.


Yeah, but at least they let me into the park.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 01, 2019 11:35 PM  

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021&version=NIV

Mathew 21

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’[h]?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”[i]

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Blogger Anne July 02, 2019 12:09 AM  

Dos Voltz wrote:
In the beautiful, endearing, and Godly end of this film (I shit you not), the murderous, midget brown guy that killed a beloved family member is taken in and cared for by that same family. Brought to the USA. To enjoy our way of life, which he deserves, of course. He will teach his half-white kids to identify as oppressed mestizos. They will benefit from his father's act of murder, and from his benefactor's insane forgiveness, compassion, and support.

In his own culture he ate bugs out of tree bark. And murdered Christian missionaries.

The chuckle at the end of the movie is how the brown midget cave man is laughing it up at the marvels of magic ATM cards. Which is just code for the marvels of white guilt.

At that moment in the movie I wanted to gut him and put his head on a pike. But my fellow "Christians" of the evangelical stripe wept with affirming joy.


A couple of slight disagreements:
The man you speak of had a native wife, so no half-breed kids. Also, he was brought to speak at a conference, not to live. He continued to live in his native village, where he was an elder in the church which they established.

Blogger Janus July 02, 2019 12:11 AM  

Clay wrote:Yeah, but at least they let me into the park.

If that's what it takes to make you feel better about being 3 Rogans tall.

Blogger Stilicho July 02, 2019 12:13 AM  

I watched BB's video about Shapiro... did anyone else notice how much Joe Rogan looks like Kevin Spacey?

Blogger Shimshon July 02, 2019 1:42 AM  

"We don't have any kings and queens in America, so you can count us out."

When God returned me to the land, I didn't fly on the promised eagle's wings either.

Blogger JAG July 02, 2019 1:53 AM  

Shimshon wrote:"Interpreting that passage as a promise rule is a HUGE stretch."

It's a prophecy, not a promise. It will happen. Hopefully I will live to see it.


Which of us here on this blog are sub-human animal slaves that will serve you if we all live to see it?

Blogger God Emperor Memes July 02, 2019 2:37 AM  

That's a mistranslation: it should read "The King OF Queens". Interpret that as you will.

Blogger Shimshon July 02, 2019 2:39 AM  

JAG, I quoted a verse in Zacharia, in the Bible you also revere, that says the peoples of the world will "go with us," presumably voluntarily.

You want to understand Judaism and the Talmud on your terms. You have your notions that you are wed to. Even when friendly efforts to elucidate are offered. You, all of you, have made that clear over the years.

Whatever my beliefs are, I actually do try to be respectful of the host and his audience. I'm not particularly fond of the regular references to the "Synagogue of Satan" and, as far as I understand your beliefs, how Christians consider non-believers consigned to eternal damnation. But those are your beliefs, and I'm not here to change them.

As far as my brethren abroad being thorns in your side, I know not how, but I do know that they will come back.

Blogger JAG July 02, 2019 2:44 AM  

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Blogger JAG July 02, 2019 2:45 AM  

Shimshon wrote:JAG, I quoted a verse in Zacharia, in the Bible you also revere, that says the peoples of the world will "go with us," presumably voluntarily.

You want to understand Judaism and the Talmud on your terms. You have your notions that you are wed to. Even when friendly efforts to elucidate are offered. You, all of you, have made that clear over the years.

Whatever my beliefs are, I actually do try to be respectful of the host and his audience. I'm not particularly fond of the regular references to the "Synagogue of Satan" and, as far as I understand your beliefs, how Christians consider non-believers consigned to eternal damnation. But those are your beliefs, and I'm not here to change them.

As far as my brethren abroad being thorns in your side, I know not how, but I do know that they will come back.


I revealed nothing in my question about how I understand the Talmud and Judaism. You are attempting to lawyer your way out of a direct question which you did not answer. Which of us here are going to lick the dust off your boots as sub-human animals if we live to see it?

Also, sure does sound a lot like storing your treasures up in the future of the physical world rather than in Heaven. In Heaven, you won't need or desire sub-human goys to lick your boots. There is another place for that.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2019 3:05 AM  

"Using the word "Jew" as a translation for the Hebrew is a corruption/deception from the late 18th century. The deception is to use the secondary meaning of Jew ( follower of Judaism/Phariseeism) in place of the primary meaning Judahite."

These include Judaean, Judahite, and the permutations thereof. This means either direct descendants of Judah, or people who live/lived in the land belonging to the Tribe of Judah, those being Judahites, Levites, and something like the remaining half of the Benjamites at the time of Jesus.

"When God returned me to the land, I didn't fly on the promised eagle's wings either."

And you still learned nothing?

Blogger Thad Tuiol July 02, 2019 3:47 AM  

VD: "So, if you don't want to show respect for Jesus Christ, for Christianity, and Christian traditions, that's your choice and your prerogative, but then by all means get your fat, subversive, inversive asses out of our collective house."


That has to be one of your best rhetorical body slams ever! That wasn't just a home run, that was smashed out of the stadium over the parking lot and into the river.

Blogger Ranger July 02, 2019 4:31 AM  

Jew613 openly admits that his religion is not the same as that of Moses, David, and the prophets. After all, we do revere THEM, but he claims we don't revere anyone from his religion.

Blogger Okani July 02, 2019 5:37 AM  

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

Marcus Tullius Cicero

Blogger The Cooler July 02, 2019 7:08 AM  

If only they were all Rabbi B.

Blogger The Cooler July 02, 2019 7:22 AM  

If y'all start thinking of Jews as spoiled, 15-year-old girls, they make a hell of a lot more sense. If you're not giving them what they want, when they want it for whatever reason they want it, they're being persecuted and it's just not fair. Ergo, deceit, subterfuge and duplicitousness are perfectly justifiable because you're too dumb to recognize a princess when you see one.

Blogger basementhomebrewer July 02, 2019 8:13 AM  

Also, sure does sound a lot like storing your treasures up in the future of the physical world rather than in Heaven. In Heaven, you won't need or desire sub-human goys to lick your boots. There is another place for that.

That is precisely the point for them. The obsession with storing up treasures on earth rather than Heaven reveals them. It's almost like they know they won't be enjoying the afterlife.

Jew613 openly admits that his religion is not the same as that of Moses, David, and the prophets. After all, we do revere THEM, but he claims we don't revere anyone from his religion.

Read through Leviticus. It is clear it's not the same religion. They pay lip service to the Torah but they do not follow a vast majority of the Law. The excuse is related to not being able to purify a priest. It does seem funny that they are sticklers about keeping the sabbath or staying kosher but ignoring many other components of the law that do not require sacrifices.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2019 9:00 AM  

Shimshon wrote:I'm not particularly fond of the regular references to the "Synagogue of Satan" and, as far as I understand your beliefs, how Christians consider non-believers consigned to eternal damnation.

Shimshon, all of us were nonbelievers and consigned to eternal damnation until we accepted our messiah. You could have access to God on the same terms we do, but you reject Him and His terms. None of us are happy to see you destroying yourself.

Blogger Beardy Bear July 02, 2019 9:07 AM  

@Shimshon without a consequence,there is no law.

Zech is an amazing book.

Chapter 12:

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Blogger Miguel July 02, 2019 9:25 AM  

Shimshon

"That's right. The gentiles will lick the dust of our feet. Not just the gentiles. Kings and queens. Says so in our Bible.


what do you mean "our feet"? Those veses only aply to the redeemed of the Lord (the saved), not to unbelieving people. All God's blessings are for believers, not for people who reject Jesus Christ (read the begginig of that chapter).

Blogger Avraham July 02, 2019 9:26 AM  

Rav Avraham Abulafia held Jesus is messiah son of Joseph. That means as far as I can tell that he held Jesus was Divine but not the same as God Himself. [This was not known for a long time since his books were never published until the 1990's

Blogger binks webelf July 02, 2019 9:47 AM  

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Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) July 02, 2019 10:05 AM  

3. NP_see July 01, 2019 4:13 PM
What kind of religion references a vat of semen in its holy books?



look up "davening".

https://www.sdjewishworld.com/2013/12/27/davening-at-victorias-secret/
"Hassidic literature teaches that one of the reasons given for Hassidim swaying in prayer is based upon the analogy of the movement that occurs in the act of love making. Prayer is like “making love to the Shekhinah.” The Baal Shem Tov is purported to have taught:"


what is the Shekinah? KaBabelists consider it to be the FEMALE aspect of God.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Shekhinah#As_feminine_aspect
The Kabbalah refers to the Shekhinah as feminine, according to Gershom Scholem. "The introduction of this idea was one of the most important and lasting innovations of Kabbalism. ...no other element of Kabbalism won such a degree of popular approval.


therefore, the Hasidics / Kabbalists consider God to be transgender
AND
they pretend to have public sex with Him / Her in front of the Wailing Wall as part of their religious rituals.


in other words, it is entirely Satanic.

do you now understand the impetus for Drag Queen Story Hour?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2019 10:11 AM  

binks webelf wrote:Not what we-- or many Jews-- expected or wanted, but the way God provided.

Not the Jews' messiah, but God's.

Blogger Sam July 02, 2019 1:51 PM  

Jews regard Christians the same way that Christians regard Muslims (or at least did back when Christianity was sane and not a corpse suit/suicide pact). Inferno isn't canon which is the only reason the comparison isn't symmetrical.

@93
Because it is physically impossible to have long term peace with Muslims (Spain is probably the best example; anyone know about the 17th century expulsion?). Aside from doctrine, polygamy is toxic. It leads to high levels of intermarriage and the attendant clannishness, birth defects, low IQ, low trust and constant violence.

Blogger Birdman July 02, 2019 2:53 PM  

Holy shit XD

Blogger plishman July 02, 2019 11:44 PM  

Dear old Jews. Still stiff-necked. Still trying to own the earth in fee simple. We don't mind - we pray for your souls. Heaven is the home of the Christian. Make it yours too!

Matthew 6:33

Blogger Thad Tuiol July 03, 2019 2:35 AM  

@70 JovianStorm

I'm in the Tokyo area and a long time lurker and occasional poster on VD's blog. Care to meet up? Most other westerners here are shitlibs to a man, gets kinda lonely...

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia July 03, 2019 7:16 AM  

VD wrote:
I lived in Japan, I showed respect for both their Shinto spirits and the Amidha Buddha worshipped by my hosts, not because I believed in any of it in the slightest, but because I was a guest in their civilization and their society. I didn't try to forcibly alter their society because I was accustomed to using a fork instead of chopsticks and leaving my shoes on inside the house. How do you not understand that basic principle of decent human behavior?


Right.

When you are in another culture or tradition, assuming you can move about more or less freely with no fear of being attacked, it is appropriate to keep you fucking mouth shut.

I did some consulting work in one of the oil sheikdoms a few years back, and you respect the call to prayer, and you don't blather on to your hosts that the prophet was a murdering pederast.

Not that that isn't true, of course.

Blogger wreckage July 03, 2019 11:43 AM  

Well, Shimshon, I still love ya!
Keep building your nation, loving wisdom, and seeking how best to honour your ancestors.

Blogger Fuzzy July 03, 2019 10:00 PM  

God bless you Vox! Great to see a public figure in the media speak gods TRUTH!

Blogger Alexson July 04, 2019 5:08 PM  

The synagogue of Satan's interpretation of that verse goes...


"If your blood is Jewish, our god will provide you with human slaves"
The message being that God placed Jews on earth so they can fulfill their human desire for lust and power. Exactly who that "God" is, seems pretty obvious, specially when you take into account that the messiah came to steer them the away from this blatant inversion of God's will and instead of accepting him, they crucified him and rebelled against him.

On the other hand, the christian interpretation of that verse goes...

"any man, regardless of earthly status, is more divine than the richest, most pure-blood royal on earth, if the latter is wicked and not a follower of Jesus Christ" The message being that God could care less about your blood. You are either moral and with Jesus the lord, personifying his spirit in your conduct or you are wicked following satanic desires (like lust and power).


I'll let everyone decide which seems like the will of God and which reads like satanic up-is-down inversion.

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