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Monday, July 22, 2019

Random idea

What do you all think about Making Asgard Great Again? By which I mean launching a crowdfunding campaign to create a new comic series with a proper male and Nordic God of Thunder with red hair, an Asgardian people who are not diverse, and a storyline connection to this Earth, in order to compete directly with the converged and transgendered Disney/Marvel abomination?

If this is potentially of interest to you, let me know and I can look into finding the right artists for it. We were planning to do something similar with Star Wars, but perhaps it makes sense to salvage Thor first. Let me know which, if either, is of more interest to you. I know people are planning to support the new Junior Classics, so perhaps this is not the right time, but I thought I'd at least gauge the potential interest.

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Blogger sammibandit July 22, 2019 10:51 AM  

Yes, absolutely. Most of the Thor stories from the source material are perfect for serialization and many don't have cross-dressing and are suitable for kids. My dad has been waiting for this for years and years also.

Blogger Lushtree July 22, 2019 10:51 AM  

I would contribute. Throw in some Valkyries as attractive as Dynamique and Rebel and I will double contribute. I love me some proper Nordic Valkyries.

Blogger Mad Italian July 22, 2019 10:53 AM  

I'm in.

Blogger Dave July 22, 2019 10:56 AM  

Alt Wars, man. Alt Wars.

Blogger Critias July 22, 2019 10:59 AM  

Nordic Gods, yes would be very interested in that. Star Wars I have to say I'd be far less interested in. It's not a tradition that goes back thousands of years it's just those three movies which we will always have anyways. Just my perspective.

Would be awesome if it was more based on the stories from the Eddas if possible. Those are really great.

Blogger Prionyx July 22, 2019 11:00 AM  

I'd be up for supporting this too.

Blogger Nation-Deprived July 22, 2019 11:02 AM  

I’m definitely interested. Deleted the last comment after realizing there is already a Thor: Blood and Thunder. Not well versed comics.

Blogger Avalanche July 22, 2019 11:03 AM  

Yes, please. End cultural appropriation!!

Blogger Careless Whisper July 22, 2019 11:09 AM  

I like this idea based on pure schadenfreude and I'm likely to buy it for this alone, I admit. But, if he's a Norse God doing cool Norse stuff, and not another bloody superhero I'll actually read and enjoy it.

Btw, any more Wodehouse in the wheelhouse?

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2019 11:11 AM  

I would purchase and enjoy both, but would personally prefer salvaging Star Wars first.

Blogger Mike MacArthur July 22, 2019 11:11 AM  

Absolutely, more basis on the eddas would be fantastic also.

Blogger Tom July 22, 2019 11:20 AM  

I will support both ideas.

Blogger Tino July 22, 2019 11:23 AM  

I'm in.

Blogger JG July 22, 2019 11:24 AM  

Do it, VD. I'm all in.

Blogger Banjo July 22, 2019 11:24 AM  

As always, I will support whatever my Supreme Dark Lord chooses to do.

But I’m very meh on this.

Blogger Dante Diluvian July 22, 2019 11:25 AM  

I'm in for both. Maybe the timing is better for a Thor rescue before Star Wars. I liked the Marvel movies despite their politics but I know a lot of people who gave up on Star Wars at least a movie ago.

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear July 22, 2019 11:28 AM  

YES. I would support a Red-Haired, Green-Eyed Firey Nephilim-type Norse Thunder God with Hot sexy Valkyries the likes of Dynamique and Shiloh Summers & a real focus on Asgardian Lore, Norse GODS (not superheroes) & the Poetic Eddas. That would be FIRST, however, I'd like to hear more about this Star Wars idea. Would you be going against current Canon and incorporating the sort of Timothy Zahn, Hier to the Empire style heroes/villains we've all been waiting for? a Seven foot tall blue-black raven-haired Grand Admiral Thrawn with red piercing eyes who studies the art and culture of his enemies to discover how to defeat them? Darth Bane? Hungry young Jedi's? Journey's to the Galactic core to find ancient Sith Holocrons? I wish to know MORE. (thank you in advance)

Anonymous Anonymous July 22, 2019 11:31 AM  

Definitely

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 22, 2019 11:34 AM  

Is Alt Hero going to continue as a monthly comic or does the omnibus end the Alt Hero series?

Blogger binks webelf July 22, 2019 11:35 AM  

Love it. Add some time-travel to keep it relevant (summoned by some sub-deities or other to certain 20th-20th century emergencies), angle in the masculine virtues, and ancient history from the sagas for some actual education.

Further, Thor must in some way confront or be guided by the White Christ, to remind the "pagan" LARPers that the true spiritual quest does not stop at Odin & company, but is a fore-shadowing, good dreams, pointers to God-With-Us, and martyr's heroism, Christian virtues completing the pagan virtues. Type thing onto it.

Dream large. May God bless this project, and all the others.

Blogger Angantyr July 22, 2019 11:36 AM  

I would like to see this!

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 22, 2019 11:37 AM  

Yup on to Asgard. I think Walt Simonson was the last I could stomach.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 22, 2019 11:37 AM  

Dante Diluvian wrote:I liked the Marvel movies despite their politics but I know a lot of people who gave up on Star Wars at least a movie ago.

Even if I thought I would like it, I would not watch any of these movies and I certainly would not be financing the enemy by seeing it in the theaters. Frankly, you will probably be surprised by just how much you do not miss Hollywood propaganda and financing the enemy.

Blogger Stilicho July 22, 2019 11:40 AM  

I'm in but think the timing would be better if you let the utter "meh" of thorette sink into the public consciousness for a while. Much like the public has had enough of SJW Wars already...

Blogger Desdichado July 22, 2019 11:41 AM  

Dante Diluvian wrote:I'm in for both. Maybe the timing is better for a Thor rescue before Star Wars. I liked the Marvel movies despite their politics but I know a lot of people who gave up on Star Wars at least a movie ago.
Give it a few more movies. The Captain Marvel fiasco will be seen as one of the better ones in retrospect. The direction that they're telegraphing that they will go is not pretty.

I'd be down for both.

Blogger anorganicbear July 22, 2019 11:42 AM  

Bonus points if you find a way to work in a red-haired mermaid.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 22, 2019 11:46 AM  

YES

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 22, 2019 11:49 AM  

I would support it, but would not want it to distract from salvaging Star Wars. A "better Star Wars than Star Wars" will have a much greater impact than a "better Thor than Thor."

Blogger Crazy Dave July 22, 2019 11:50 AM  

Hellz Ya!

As for SW, turn Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge into comics. #StarWarsNotStarWars

Blogger DeepThought July 22, 2019 11:53 AM  

I would support this.

Blogger Starboard July 22, 2019 11:55 AM  

Yes to Asgard, and Junior Classics.

Blogger Leoric July 22, 2019 11:56 AM  

Absolutely yes. I am actually looking forward to both this and juniors classics.

Blogger dtungsten July 22, 2019 12:00 PM  

I'd go for both. I'd say timing is better for Star Wars first.

Blogger Janus July 22, 2019 12:03 PM  

Interested.

In the immortal words of Big Bear "Thor is a faggot with a big hammer".

Marvel delenda est.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDa7yZeci8

(Part of me also isn't surprised that while they were prancing around Thor and Loki they never once even mentioned Baldr in the movies, it makes their intent even more clear.)

Blogger VD July 22, 2019 12:07 PM  

As for SW, turn Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge into comics.

No, that's never happening. Nick is cool. But his co-writer is a weenie who is terrified that someone, somewhere, might call him racist.

Blogger Crew July 22, 2019 12:09 PM  

Whoa, Asgard is a great idea!

Blogger Sean July 22, 2019 12:12 PM  

I would support Thor. I've been a Star Wars nut from the age of three when I saw Star Wars on opening day. It was my love and my passion for a good part of my life. That ended with the Phantom Menace. I really just want it to die and go away and leave me with my memories.

I have no doubt SDL could do amazing things with Star Wars but I know just too many people are too attached to it, that people would become defensive about it. I see it now with the garbage Disney is putting out. They want to love it so bad they are willing to accept the abuse. I don't think people have the same attachment to Thor.

Blogger Tom Bridgeland July 22, 2019 12:18 PM  

The Nordic legends are all about the conflicts between different peoples, and the problems caused. Loki was half-giant.

Blogger ddm July 22, 2019 12:19 PM  

I'm all-in on that.

Blogger Kordl July 22, 2019 12:20 PM  

Id love to donate to a crowd funding campaign for it. I've got to ask though how in the heck do you keep up with all these projects as awesome as they are?

Blogger Maorio July 22, 2019 12:20 PM  

I'm in, especially with the Thor story. star wars might have become too poisoned to do anything with at all, guilt by association and all that

Blogger PJJP July 22, 2019 12:21 PM  

I would love both but lets do Thor first. It's important to join the culture war while weapons are still hot.

Blogger Amy K. July 22, 2019 12:26 PM  

I'm on board for ALL the comics. And the Junior Classics.

Blogger Caffeineforge July 22, 2019 12:27 PM  

Ready for the crowd funding.

Blogger Emmanuel July 22, 2019 12:29 PM  

Using small contribution crowdfunding for comics, count me in !

Blogger Nym Coy July 22, 2019 12:30 PM  

I'll support all arkhaven's crowd funding. I supported, though was meh about Alt-Hero, but when I got the issues, wow! Shows what I know! I will not doubt again.

Blogger Trinian July 22, 2019 12:31 PM  

I was a long time fan of "The Mighty Thor". ("Was" being the operative word.) I would love to support a comic like this!

Blogger Tom July 22, 2019 12:33 PM  

Sounds like a plan, I'd support a crowd funded campaign for this comic. VD, let us know when it kicks off.

Blogger Honkler the Emotional Wreck July 22, 2019 12:33 PM  

TAKE MY F-ING MONEY

Blogger Scire July 22, 2019 12:36 PM  

Nordic gods alone could be interesting, but i find the interaction of the nordic pantheon with other groups to be more interesting. seems like these things riff off of each other well.

I imagine Nordic influence in the Alt hero universe is out of the question. That would be cool. I would love to see captain EU smacked by Thor''s hammer/lightning.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums July 22, 2019 12:37 PM  

The new God of War series is currently doing their own interpretation of Norse mythology. DC has their own version of the characters plus there are countless tv-shows and movies that have touched the subject. What I would love to see is a version with very little artistic liberty and a lot of folklore crammed in. I want something I can reference without fearing the author just made the whole thing up and the only overlap with actual myths are in the names of the characters.

Don't really care about Star Wars, It's a reinterpretation of Dune mixed with feudal Japan. They even released a comic series based on the original draft called "The Star Wars" in which they make it clear that "the Force" is a substitute for "Spice". Each iteration of the franchise be in games, books, and cartoons has its own vision of what the Star Wars world should be with no real connection between them. The market is over-saturated with everything you can think of including cabbages and Barbie dolls. Also I don't really see a lot of kids get excited for the movies or that own any Star Wars toys. That whole target audience is weird.

The SCP universe is coming along nicely even with SJW interference. For anyone who doesn't know what it is: it's the world's largest creative writing project where anyone can contribute and the only thing that's canon is how good the story is. There is nothing official about it, there are sites that collect the SCP documents but the rule is everything is free and anyone can do with it as they wish. People have started making games and videos but so far no comics. I think the fanbase will jump right in something like that.

Blogger sammibandit July 22, 2019 12:37 PM  

(Part of me also isn't surprised that while they were prancing around Thor and Loki they never once even mentioned Baldr in the movies, it makes their intent even more clear.)

Bingo.

Blogger Rake Johnson July 22, 2019 12:37 PM  

How about both? Instead of giving space opera an eastern religious magic overlay, give it a Nordic religious magic overlay.

Blogger IrishFarmer July 22, 2019 12:41 PM  

The Disney Star Wars sequels are so bad that I now dont even care about the originals anymore. I say peave Star Wars out of it. The only people who care anymore have drunk the liberal koolaid and probably wouldn't be interested in an alternative universe. But I also have no data to back that up so....

Blogger Reluctant Bear July 22, 2019 12:42 PM  

My gut says star wars is the more important cultural icon to revamp, but I'm not a comic book guy. I support either choice, but definitely am in for the Jr Classics.

Blogger Seeingsights July 22, 2019 12:42 PM  

I interacted with a person online who goes by the name Thorsson. Thorsson is a businessman, chess enthusiast, pro football fan.
Maybe create a new god, Son of Thor. Son of Thor would be the god of commerce, sports, and games.

Blogger MC July 22, 2019 12:45 PM  

I would definitely support this.

Blogger VD July 22, 2019 12:47 PM  

That SCP Foundation project looks interesting.

Blogger Shimshon July 22, 2019 12:48 PM  

I can't support Rebel's Run at this time because reasons. But whatever comic fundraising project you do I can and will support. Either idea sounds grand.

Blogger braq July 22, 2019 12:55 PM  

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Blogger braq July 22, 2019 12:57 PM  

The legendary comics created by true Americans™ Stanley Lieber, Jacob Kurtzberg, and Lawrence Lieber shouldn't be tampered with by non-chosenites.

Blogger MichaelJMaier July 22, 2019 1:01 PM  

YES. ONE THOUSAND THOUSAND TIMES, YES!

For the THOR thing, I mean.

Blogger Dwight House July 22, 2019 1:04 PM  

I think crowdfunding a direct competitor to Marvel's Thor is a case of letting the enemy define the battlefield. My gut tells me it is too reactionary and will be considered to be some kind of petty attack, regardless of its quality (not just by SJWs, but by normal people too).

But I'm not the master of strategy here. Though I'm not personally interested in it the way I was interested in other of Vox's projects, I always find these kinds of things amusing. Certainly, it would be immensely funny to see Marvel try to legally stop Vox by claiming that they "own" the Norse Gods.

I think a Star Wars-like property would do better, both due to a much larger audience and a better-known fall from grace by the original series.

Blogger mgh July 22, 2019 1:06 PM  

Thor, or any other story that points people back to the culture and traditions of the past is a better battle in the culture wars than any Star Wars type fantasy.

Blogger D.J. Schreffler July 22, 2019 1:10 PM  

Junior Classics is what I'd go for.

Or anything related to Moth & Cobweb.

Blogger maniacprovost July 22, 2019 1:11 PM  

I would do Space Opera first, for many reasons. I personally would read either one but would probably prefer Space Opera. Since JCW has written some Space Wars fiction, unless I am mistaken, it might be useful for comicalization.

Blogger czerwonyorzeł July 22, 2019 1:19 PM  

Nordic hero, sure, just make sure his blond hair has a perceptible tinge of orange!

Blogger P Glenrothes July 22, 2019 1:21 PM  

I would love to see a man-spreading Thor movie released while Thorarella is playing. Is that even possible? In any case, I would contribute to a comic series.

Blogger David Ray Milton July 22, 2019 1:24 PM  

Thor, yes. It’s timely and there is a real history to the mythology. It could be a pure offensive into the retreating SJW’s with Thoralina.

Star Wars... I was obsessed with the movies as a child, but George Lucas was always globohomo. Unless it’s a complete departure from the original themes, there’s nothing there to salvage. I say no.

Blogger Revan July 22, 2019 1:25 PM  

I'd like to see Arts of Dark and Light as a tv series or movie.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 22, 2019 1:26 PM  

There is more than just Thor.
You have my sword.
Or hammer.

Blogger Dante Diluvian July 22, 2019 1:26 PM  

You are right. I was foolish to support the enemy. No more of my money is going to people who hate me.

Blogger Beardy Bear July 22, 2019 1:27 PM  

I'm in. Scandi-candy is best candy.

Blogger VD July 22, 2019 1:30 PM  

I'd like to see Arts of Dark and Light as a tv series or movie.

And we will do that when we have $50 million to spend on it.

Blogger Birdman July 22, 2019 1:32 PM  

Hell yeah i support both

Blogger Crew July 22, 2019 1:33 PM  

And we will do that when we have $50 million to spend on it.

He said when, not if!

Blogger VD July 22, 2019 1:34 PM  

I think crowdfunding a direct competitor to Marvel's Thor is a case of letting the enemy define the battlefield. My gut tells me it is too reactionary and will be considered to be some kind of petty attack, regardless of its quality (not just by SJWs, but by normal people too).

You clearly don't understand the first thing about the nature of the cultural wars. And I note that the strategically inept ALWAYS focus on how the other side will perceive an attack, both for better and for worse.

This is the inverse of "do you know what will really make SJW heads explode?" It's just as irrelevant.

Blogger gamma secret kings reddit July 22, 2019 1:36 PM  

I like it. More STEMS in AltHero for future?

Something that was on my mind was how the young men have JP or other men online whom cannot ID the issue and repair it or DIY or build things. (internet drama is empty, fixing something, growing gardens is creation, solutions, important things.)

Maybe UNtV can offer that for cars, trucks, shop talk, blueprints, or I am having flashbacks of my dad, his bro and grandad would write all these mathy equations everywhere, I couldn't/t follow it but STEMS for UntV would be cool.

Blogger OneWingedShark July 22, 2019 1:38 PM  

I kinda want to see how big the Disney's Star Wars: Dumpster Fire gets.
But insofar as something like Star Wars goes, I've heard that E.E. Smith's Lensmen series is good, but have yet to obtain a copy and read it myself. Then there's something to be said for the even older Flash Gordon and the campy fun of Buck Rogers; honestly, I'd rather something that takes inspiration from these than Star Wars.

Blogger sammibandit July 22, 2019 1:39 PM  

@Seeingsights

Thor- is a really common name. Thorstein, Thorhild, etc. More than I can list here. I'm partial to Thorstein and Thorbjørn.

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2019 1:40 PM  

I would be interested in both MAsGA and SW comics

Blogger Dwight House July 22, 2019 1:42 PM  

You clearly don't understand the first thing about the nature of the cultural wars. And I note that the strategically inept ALWAYS focus on how the other side will perceive an attack, both for better and for worse.

That's why you're the master of strategy, Vox. Full speed ahead then.

Blogger Gareth July 22, 2019 1:43 PM  

Hey Vox, I commented on another post today, enquiring after investing in rebels run. I did so (after backing the alt hero comics and being the first bulk purchased in the uk, I’m told) to poke the SJW’s and hopefully make more money.

All that said though, this - the “real Thor” interests me more, at a gut level.

And as a man who loved the first three Star Wars but none of the later ones, I’d say stay away from it. It doesn’t resonate in an archetypical manner and those bits that were worth saving have copyright.

Thor yes, Star Wars no, rebels run ok, sure.

Blogger matveidaniilovich July 22, 2019 1:47 PM  

Sounds intriguing. Can some based Deus Vult types show up & give the ax to Odin’s tree? Heard you mention Kevin smiths “dogma” the other day. You could do a better version.

Blogger VD July 22, 2019 1:48 PM  

Full speed ahead then.

I actually do want your opinion. But about which of the two possibilities you'd personally prefer, not how you imagine SJWs or anyone else would react to them.

Blogger EasyCompany July 22, 2019 1:51 PM  

A new Thor does sound good.

But Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge is the new SW.

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 22, 2019 1:52 PM  

The well is deep in our heritage and will resonate with the best. Will it be added to alt-hero?

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 22, 2019 1:54 PM  

Red like Sparks of fire you philistine!

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2019 1:56 PM  

Feels good man.

Blogger Quilp July 22, 2019 1:59 PM  

I would get behind that in a big way.

Blogger J Melcher July 22, 2019 2:00 PM  

I'd prefer "Thor" to "Star Wars" but "Junior Classics" to either. If you can manage all three, that's be fine.

A comics line based on public domain folk heroes like William Tell, or historic heroes about whom legends arise like Daniel Boone, would be welcome. Stephen Decatur, John Henry Knox, Sam Houston, Audie Murphey, heck even the original Rin Tin Tin.

Making the "Websnark" comic about General John Stark available to a younger audience would be cool.

Blogger Jose Miguel July 22, 2019 2:01 PM  

I had a Danish grandmother who read stories of Thor, Odin, Loki and the rest to me before bed when I was a small child. I have books from her that I mean to read to my kid on the way. You'll have at least $300 from me to produce the comic for it.

Since most people don't read, a Thor comic would be a more immediate blow to the enemy than the Junior Classics. I do want to get the latter before my kid is five though for sure, and they would have a much larger effect on the portion of the West that reads in the long run.

Blogger tantonj July 22, 2019 2:05 PM  

Personally, I'm a much bigger fan of DC mythology. However, that doesn't appear to be relevant here. Considering the only comparable thing they have is the Greek mythology which is hardly as popular as Marvel's Norse.

Blogger tuberman July 22, 2019 2:07 PM  

I love it, but then, I'm Nordic decent, and was telling myself Viking type stories before age five.

DoItThor!

Blogger Steb July 22, 2019 2:10 PM  

Yes, as long as the gods don't follow Pratchett rules. Ie, their power diminishes when people stop believing in them.
You'd also need to find a way of steering clear of the Neo-Pagan angle.
If it's in this world, how do they relate to the resurrection?
My vote would be to set the whole Norse saga sometime around 500AD. As I understand it, there's more wishful thinking than good evidence dating them back to BC. Make it a Fall of the West / Arthurian / Alfred type story. Maybe they've forgotten Christ exvept in fragments. The Odin / World Tree story lends itself to that. Christ appears to them in visions and images but doesn't speak, etc.

All of which is a long way of saying yes, I'd be interested.

Blogger Steve Canyon July 22, 2019 2:10 PM  

Put my vote down for a space opera in the style of Star Wars.

And if you ever do a war comic like the old Joe Kubert Sgt Rock/G.I. Combat-Haunted Tank, you got my support as well.

And a serial like Caniff's Terry and The Pirates from the 40's as well.

Blogger VD July 22, 2019 2:17 PM  

Junior Classics is definitely happening regardless.

Blogger Desdichado July 22, 2019 2:21 PM  

To give a better answer to the specific question which would I prefer if it comes to chosing one to focus on first over the other, I'd say a StarWarsNotStarWars would be the better gig, and I'd prefer it first.

Blogger crazyivan498 July 22, 2019 2:27 PM  

i am interested in supporting either or both whatever the dark lord thinks is best. My personal opinion is that Star Wars is the bigger target that would make more heads explode

Blogger Tee Stoney July 22, 2019 2:27 PM  

Hell yes.

Blogger Ska_Boss July 22, 2019 2:28 PM  

I am more interested in the Star Wars universe. As a long time (albeit casual) comic book reader, the Thor universe never really appealed to me, it always felt too vanilla.

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2019 2:31 PM  

Ancient Norse Gods are 100% definitely public domain. The Star Wars universe is 100% definitely owned by Mickey Mouse. And Mickey is a vexatious litigant. If you want to avoid legal trouble, go with Thor.

Blogger Ostar July 22, 2019 2:32 PM  

Disney Star Wars is fan fiction. Basically anything not done by the original creators/owners is. Example Conan - all non Howard stories are fan fic, even if the publishers own the right to certain names. So Arkhaven has as much right to publish Star Wars fan fic as Disney does, as long as the legal niceties are observed.
Both Star Wars and Thor (mythological) have my support, since your team are vastly superior and more entertaining creatively!

Blogger sammibandit July 22, 2019 2:33 PM  

You're in luck, @Steb. The sagas are already written that way. See Baldr for more information.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 22, 2019 2:37 PM  

Pitch perfect again. Backing again.

Blogger Riejun July 22, 2019 2:41 PM  

I will support both as I've tried with the other endeavors.

For the Norse comics (sagas), IMO, try to adhere as close to the source material as possible. Most/all is "grim dark", but so be it. Dark background, dark colors, etc... to add to the atmosphere.

For Star Wars, I think there is a market for a non-woke space opera and/or military sci-fi series. I really enjoy Nick Cole's Galaxy Edge and am sorry to hear about Jason being gun shy. Something along those lines though, with good/excellent combat (at least decent tactics/strategy my God Star Wars is horrible on those) would be a huge plus for me.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 22, 2019 2:43 PM  

binks webelf wrote:Further, Thor must in some way confront or be guided by the White Christ, to remind the "pagan" LARPers that the true spiritual quest does not stop at Odin & company, ...

David Drake's Northworld series was based on Norse mythology and tales from the Eddas. They were good stories, complete with Valkyries, Asgard and an impending Ragnarok.

I think something in that vein, with the Asgardians being very human and very materialistic with some sort of godlike superhuman technology and a view of an unstoppable, unavoidable future invasion of demons, could be a good set up for a story in which the human ``gods'' are forced to turn to God and the savior He sent.

That's probably not the comic book series we're looking for.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 22, 2019 2:43 PM  

can't, but employed sons would totally go to your movie.

Blogger xevious2030 July 22, 2019 2:49 PM  

Thor. In backdrop to my reply among those of others, how to Train Your Dragon (9 years of recent history and box-office non self-destruction), Race to the Edge TV series, has a better MSSH presentation than most shows, and throws in references to Thor. Even has loving deportation in the last movie. While the question was not about a Dragons movie, Dragons shows a live market for things Viking of trapping even among the young. The original Star Wars, using non trademarked characters, seems far removed in time and iconography.

As much as I love the original Star Wars (42 years ago), it programs for vicarious wish fulfilment of outcome, living through the news reals, while Thor provides for attitude change that prepares for conflict at a more primitive level. In other words, Star Wars style/presentation seems more spectator sport, Thor seems more inspirational. Taking into account that content and non-visual style is whatever the writers make of it.

Blogger Sean July 22, 2019 2:54 PM  

@106 Yep. I started laughing uncontrollably at the last Star Wars movie when they rolled out heavy space bombers.

Blogger Steb July 22, 2019 2:59 PM  

I like the idea of Star Wars, but it's always going to be a supermarket off-brand version. And, if comics are seeds for movies, a star wars esque movie is going to be a magnet for lawsuits. Merited or not, they could easily shut down a project. As they say at Disney, the Mouse don't play.

Blogger Army of the Unborn July 22, 2019 3:01 PM  

This or any other ethnocentric warrior class with an honor culture will work. It could technically be with something like Wakanda if it is properly framed as good vs evil.

Blogger Eli July 22, 2019 3:02 PM  

I'd say Thor first. If for nothing else because no one else will. Star Wars has some competition with Galaxies Edge and the upcoming John C. Wright Star Quest series. Although, it would be great to see what you'd come up with in a space opera setting. I still think the Nordic myth route is more important initially. Make Valkyries hot again.

Blogger Bellomy July 22, 2019 3:03 PM  

Star Wars is boring at this point. Thor and Norse mythology id more interesting.

Blogger SmockMan July 22, 2019 3:14 PM  

Thor comic sounds awesome.

Blogger AmericanDan July 22, 2019 3:16 PM  

Would rather see Space Opera, but you'll have my financial backing regardless of which way you go. Deus Vult!

Blogger Wolfman July 22, 2019 3:20 PM  

Thor is probably still a little pissed about losing that duel with Jesus when the Heavenly Host invaded Asgard with 40 Legions of Angels sometime around 1019 AD but after a thousand years in POW camp he's willing to move on and go back to fighting evil in whatever form it might take.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 22, 2019 3:26 PM  

Steb wrote:I like the idea of Star Wars, but it's always going to be a supermarket off-brand version. And, if comics are seeds for movies, a star wars esque movie is going to be a magnet for lawsuits.

Star Wars was a spaghetti western *IN SPACE*. It established a new genre, of old heroic tales in new settings. Good storytelling could easily eclipse it. Done right, it won't be an off-brand, it'll be newer, better, cooler.

Cattle drives, the Alamo, fur traders and mountain men, gold rushes, there are many stories that could all be retold in a different setting, in a galaxy far, far away. There is no reason to simply retell the Star Wars tale, and no room for lawsuits if you don't.

Blogger Steb July 22, 2019 3:33 PM  

"Cattle drives, the Alamo, fur traders and mountain men, gold rushes, there are many stories that could all be retold in a different setting, in a galaxy far, far away. There is no reason to simply retell the Star Wars tale, and no room for lawsuits if you don't."

Old West in space sounds good. But as soon as you've got "laser swords" or "the energy" or whatever, I think people will always compare it unfavourably with the original.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers July 22, 2019 3:37 PM  

Ja, javisst! And I'll commit right here and now to pledging at least $100 to a campaign, but only if Thor has proper facial hair.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 22, 2019 4:01 PM  

Yes on Thor

Anonymous Anonymous July 22, 2019 4:01 PM  

I'd put money towards Norse god comics. Thor was definitely my favourite Marvel character, until Endgame for obvious reasons. It was so disappointing.
And to have a writer who I know writes very well, making a comic of Thor, I just know you won't disappoint.

Blogger Martin Marprelate July 22, 2019 4:05 PM  

I’m a bigger fan of Sci-fi (or science fantasy) though warhammer 40k is more my wheelhouse than star wars I enjoy Star Wars. Personally it would be Star Wars over Thor. But hey if something is good it’s good.

Blogger Wolfman July 22, 2019 4:06 PM  

Expanding on my earlier thoughts about working in Christian myth in the setting without stomping all over the Norse myths [which are the entire point of the books]


Thor: Where were your great armies when Midgard fell to Darkness?
Jesus: This is not about one world.
Thor: I swore to protect those people.
Jesus: Midgard has changed.
Thor: Then I shall change it back, alone if I have to.
[Tense staredown]
Thor: when Ragnorok comes I shall serve your father but not a day sooner.
Jesus: Very well. I'll have a chariot refitted for your use.
[Thor Walks away]
Jesus: Midgard has changed but Evil has not.
Thor: Which is why I must go.

Blogger mh01701@gmail.com July 22, 2019 4:12 PM  

save Thor! I'm in.

Blogger RobertDWood July 22, 2019 4:13 PM  

Making chariot goats great again

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 22, 2019 4:17 PM  

Steb wrote:Old West in space sounds good. But as soon as you've got "laser swords" or "the energy" or whatever, I think people will always compare it unfavourably with the original.

Star Wars would have been better without the light sabers and the Farce. Those were magic fantasy crap that weakened the story. Leave them out and nobody will miss them.

The genre is ``Westerns in Space'', not ``Light Sabres and the Farce''.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 22, 2019 4:19 PM  

This may be a no-brainer, but I hope you'll also rehabilitate Heimdall and make him a stereotypical big Norwegian with ash-blond hair

Anonymous Anonymous July 22, 2019 4:22 PM  

This would be amazing. I would like it if it was more like a classical mythology about slaying dragons and saving damsels type of stuff. I'm burnt out on the whole superhero format, and comic books don't have to be limited to just this.

Blogger Blaidd July 22, 2019 4:22 PM  

Absolutely. I'd love adaptations of any of the European mythologies.

Blogger Ray - SoCal July 22, 2019 4:25 PM  

Star Wars done right preference

Drakes northworld is awesome!


I worry about losing focus with too many projects.

alt hero’s releases seem to be slower now.

Blogger Brett baker July 22, 2019 4:28 PM  

I like that! SDL take this and run with it!

Blogger steb July 22, 2019 4:49 PM  

Synchronicity: D&C did a video about Thor comics today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDkVJbHmkHs

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 22, 2019 4:49 PM  

Make Asgard Nordic because that's the way it was supposed to be. I'd support that.

Blogger justaguy July 22, 2019 4:51 PM  

Sure, sounds good. I'll fund. Please don't add so much the the already full plate that we wait until next decade to see the next Arts of Dark and Light Book.

Blogger Unbiasedmike July 22, 2019 4:55 PM  

Both are worthy pursuits and well worth my support.

Blogger steb July 22, 2019 4:57 PM  

Martin Marprelate wrote:I’m a bigger fan of Sci-fi (or science fantasy) though warhammer 40k is more my wheelhouse than star wars I enjoy Star Wars. Personally it would be Star Wars over Thor. But hey if something is good it’s good.

I could get behind a 40k style Space Marine / Inquisitor story.

Blogger Dave Dave July 22, 2019 5:08 PM  

Capturing the Norse God market is a great idea. With Marvel killing off their bastardised Thor, it presents a fantastic opportunity to publish the Thor from myth and legend. There are so many stories to choose from and would be tremendously more interesting than fake Thor fighting purple aliens.

Blogger Fenton Wood July 22, 2019 5:12 PM  

VD wrote:That SCP Foundation project looks interesting.
Big fan of the SCP Foundation. The stories have a unique combination of creepiness and pathos. One very SCP-esque movie is OCULUS, about a mirror that drives people insane.

Blogger Avalanche July 22, 2019 5:23 PM  

@50 "I imagine Nordic influence in the Alt hero universe "


Wonder if Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice TV can act.... hmmmmm.

Blogger Jake July 22, 2019 5:26 PM  

100% in for a Thor comic, love the Norse myths.

Blogger Avalanche July 22, 2019 5:28 PM  

@63 " My gut tells me it is too reactionary and will be considered to be some kind of petty attack, regardless of its quality (not just by SJWs, but by normal people too)."

I'm not Norse nor of any way-far-Northern descent, but I'm furious that they have taken a legit (and handsome) GOD of a Northern people and turned him into a girl! Vicious cultural appropriation that I expect a lot more normies than you do would find either ridiculous or offensive -- and playing a "return the Norse GOD to a Norse GOD" theme might sway a lot more folks to look askance at what they've been doing to all our heritages!

Blogger Avalanche July 22, 2019 5:36 PM  

@91 "A comics line based on public domain folk heroes like William Tell, or historic heroes about whom legends arise like Daniel Boone, would be welcome. Stephen Decatur, John Henry Knox, Sam Houston, Audie Murphey, heck even the original Rin Tin Tin."

OOOHH! This could tie in nicely with homeschooling too! A comics series with the TRUE history or story of our early heros! I LOVE Vox Day's description of William Tell ambushing the governors party and killing them all after he shoots the apple off his son's head! Such a comic, as an example, could have kind-of intro history to why there was such anger; the apple shoot in the middle, then the denouement with the ambush and the return to normalcy? (S'pose it's still too soon for St. Breivek of Norway?)

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 22, 2019 5:39 PM  

One thing I would like are comics I can share with my grandchildren. Something like the real Captain Marvel comics.

Blogger David July 22, 2019 5:40 PM  

A Star Wars Universe done properly would be wonderful - I'll support both projects if you can manage them both.

Blogger pdwalker July 22, 2019 5:43 PM  

Norse stories? yes. i’m in.

Blogger The King's Man July 22, 2019 5:45 PM  

I'm not all that interested, but I'll support it if it goes ahead and won't be surprised if I end up quite keen.

Blogger Frode Holmgang July 22, 2019 5:56 PM  

That is a great idea. The old “Valhalla” comics (https://infogalactic.com/info/Valhalla_(comics) ) were wildly successful in Denmark, almost every boy my age read them, and the source material is deep and wonderfully anti-SJW. Loki, the gamma archetype, sets up endless clever schemes, but usually ends up being hoisted by his own petard. The main hero, Thor, is strong and honourable, everything a man should aspire to be (aside from being Christian, that is), but is also humbled when he gets overconfident. And of course, there’s ragnarok, where the hubris of the asgardian gods comes back to haunt them.

Blogger lowercaseb July 22, 2019 5:58 PM  

VD wrote:I'd like to see Arts of Dark and Light as a tv series or movie.

And we will do that when we have $50 million to spend on it.


Looking at the response at the last couple of crowdfundings...that's quite a possibility down the road.

As far as Norse mythology comics...I would totally support that. Norse mythology is unique and there's a lot of interesting directions you can take it...especially the Aesir vs Vanir direction.

Blogger Upstate Settler July 22, 2019 6:20 PM  

I'm in for both

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 22, 2019 6:27 PM  

Avalanche wrote:OOOHH! This could tie in nicely with homeschooling too! A comics series with the TRUE history or story of our early heros!

A cartoon guide to history? It could be a series that covers the some of the stuff that Vox has highlighted, like how refugees sacked the Roman empire, and how the French Revolution was leftist and satanic, and (((who))) was behind the October Revolution, and how that turned out. Solid facts, and a rational nationalist slant.

Maybe call the series something like ``True Tales of History That No One Tells.''

On a related off-topic topic, I'm planning to have my 16 year old daughter read the three Byzantium books by Norwich for her history credit this year. It will be a good excuse for me to finally read them.

Blogger Pedro Rocha July 22, 2019 6:30 PM  

Well, i was a fan of Starwars (Legends) and if you can come up with something of that style, then i'm in. My main interest is the Junior Classics and other additions related, but that looks interesting also. Not a big fan of Thor, but if its well done, I might pick it up.

Blogger Watcher of the skies July 22, 2019 6:33 PM  

Mooooaaaaaar Comics please!

Blogger jarheadljh July 22, 2019 6:38 PM  

How about a period drama about the conflicts between Romans and Britons without the blackwashing?

Blogger One Deplorable DT July 22, 2019 6:39 PM  

I would be very interested in MAGA. I've loved Thor in some of the Marvel movies, but I've honestly hated how Marvel has treated Asgard in every movie. They seem to be clueless elites, play watching pansies, refugees, or mighty warriors depending on whatever Marvel needed for the scene. And diversity of course...can't have Asgard without diversity.

Would love to see a proper treatment of the myths and stories.

Blogger Dark Herald July 22, 2019 6:42 PM  

@VD

So any hints as to your Thor's story?

Blogger jarheadljh July 22, 2019 6:47 PM  

IrishFarmer wrote:The Disney Star Wars sequels are so bad that I now dont even care about the originals anymore....

Even after everything, I would be willing to buy a 4K remaster of the original theatrical editions of the trilogy. So you know, the thing that fans have been been screaming for since DVD was invented, have never received, and probably never will.

While Disney is at it, I'd buy 4K remasters of both Tron films and the never released on physical media animated-series Tron:Uprising.

Blogger Sam Sutherland July 22, 2019 6:51 PM  

Save damsels! Smash skulls! In Space or Midgard!

Blogger VFM #7634 July 22, 2019 6:54 PM  

"I'm not Norse nor of any way-far-Northern descent, but I'm furious that they have taken a legit (and handsome) GOD of a Northern people and turned him into a girl!"

And ironically enough, Thor does have a daughter Thrud. Not the sexiest-sounding name, admittedly, but I think she could be one of the senior Valkyries or something of that kind.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums July 22, 2019 6:58 PM  

Fenton Wood wrote:Big fan of the SCP Foundation. The stories have a unique combination of creepiness and pathos. One very SCP-esque movie is OCULUS, about a mirror that drives people insane.

steb wrote:Martin Marprelate wrote:I’m a bigger fan of Sci-fi (or science fantasy) though warhammer 40k is more my wheelhouse than star wars I enjoy Star Wars. Personally it would be Star Wars over Thor. But hey if something is good it’s good.

I could get behind a 40k style Space Marine / Inquisitor story.


Haha! I'm actually working on a story that combines the two. It's the horror version of Star Trek. Instead of the Federation it's the Inquisition. And instead of trekking through space they explore the planet in search of SCP's. They use a combination of science, religion, and Warhammer style violence in order to eliminate the anomalies.

Blogger D E K July 22, 2019 6:59 PM  

Count me in. It's different than the Junior Classics, so it won't canabalize. I prefer Thor over Star Wars, but only because I can't imagine a Star Wars universe without all the Star Wars ingredients.

Blogger 1LLoyd July 22, 2019 6:59 PM  

Go for it.

My most memorable Thor comics were the '80's where they retold the various myths of the Ring of the Dwarf and the battle with the Midgard Serpent, complete with quotes from the sagas.

Also, the myths tell of a time where Thor and Loki were on the same side, pre-death of Balder. That would be great to explore.

Blogger Sam Sutherland July 22, 2019 7:00 PM  

I prefer Space though.

Blogger 1LLoyd July 22, 2019 7:00 PM  

I forgot to add -- Other people are doing other versions of Star Wars. There is no pressure to add another.

Blogger sammibandit July 22, 2019 7:19 PM  

Also, the myths tell of a time where Thor and Loki were on the same side, pre-death of Balder. That would be great to explore.

Those are the best stories to work from, imo. They're quick, establish Thor's character and many focus on how great Mjolnir is and how cunning Loki is. They really read like physical comedy from what I remember. The Ragnarök stories are for a juggernaut series already established since you need to build up characters in order to kill them.

Some have spoken of the importance of the new, Christian perspective. The Ragnarök battles could lead into a story of Genesis, whether explicit or implicit, or of post-flood Noah. Noah probably makes more sense for post-flood motif in the source material but it might force the writers to commit to Germany (Bavaria as theonym for Baldr) and Scandinavia as part of the Lost Tribes.

Blogger Dave Dave July 22, 2019 7:22 PM  

A retelling of the Nibelungenlied would be a hit. It's such a well known story and there's lots of potential for a graphic version. The Saga is descriptive enough that there's a very easy script to follow.

Blogger MidnightSun July 22, 2019 7:28 PM  

After viewing this most recent "abomination" I am all in!

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 22, 2019 7:37 PM  

When I was a teenager I loved Norse Mythology. It was 100 times more manly than Greek Mythology. Also, Conan the Barbarian was one of my favorite movies. To give an idea of this.
That's what I mean by "there's more than Thor" to have in such an endeavor. Thor is just one character. But the rest are pretty darned cool too. men were just getting started building the foundation of our modern civilization while the Romans were herding sheep around broken pillars.

Blogger Ethan H July 22, 2019 7:38 PM  

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Blogger Ethan H July 22, 2019 7:40 PM  

Both sound like a great idea! If others are already remaking star wars then perhaps it would be best to hold off on that one, though.

Blogger James Dixon July 22, 2019 7:42 PM  

> By which I mean launching a crowdfunding campaign to create a new comic series with a proper male and Nordic God of Thunder with red hair, an Asgardian people who are not diverse, and a storyline connection to this Earth, in order to compete directly with the converged and transgendered Disney/Marvel abomination?

Oh, I think I could manage to throw a few dollars your way for that. Probably only for the electronic versions though.

> Looking at the response at the last couple of crowdfundings...that's quite a possibility down the road.

Depending on how well the first movie does, definitely. But don't get your hopes up. A big money maker is a long shot. It will take time to build the brand. But any money it makes over cost on my behalf will be available for future endeavors.

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2019 8:04 PM  

42. xevious2030 July 22, 2019 5:19 PM
Of Jews. Do not recall observing the "not a real Jew" card being played.


Rabbi B is, as i understand it, 100% genetically Jewish.

Israel will not permit him entry.

because he admits that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. ie - not a 'real' Jew ... Satanic Chabadists and Kabballah practitioners now, those are just fine.


40. Noah B. July 22, 2019 4:38 PM
She's going to go back and Somalia will pay for the plane ticket.



the last i had heard, we were only chartering helicopters.


44. tublecane July 22, 2019 5:30 PM
Sorta like how Buckley cut a deal (in his head, if not formally)


Buckley was a paid agent of the CIA. he did as he was told.

protip: the CIA is not on your side. and, given that FDR's admin was rotten with Communist infiltraitors, it never was.

Blogger Richard Martel July 22, 2019 8:10 PM  

I am 100 percent on board with the Thor idea and want to be a part of it!

Blogger Richard Martel July 22, 2019 8:11 PM  

Or an attractive Freya character that doesn't look like Oprah or Stacy Abrams.

Blogger SouthRon July 22, 2019 8:12 PM  

Big yes to Asgard. I have Vinlander family that are seething over Thorazina and would like to see it done properly.

As you have pointed out Nationalist pagans are much more our kin and I’ll than atheist Utopians.

Blogger Rough Carrigan July 22, 2019 8:16 PM  

I would definitely be interested in Asgard and not very much in Star Wars.

Blogger rekrapt July 22, 2019 8:33 PM  

THOR! Yes, please! ODIN!!!!!

Blogger weka July 22, 2019 9:06 PM  

It is bigger than LOTR. Think of a budget that is far bigger, and keep weta workshop far, far away.

Blogger weka July 22, 2019 9:08 PM  

Take back Thor to the Eddas.

Blogger Quadko July 22, 2019 9:19 PM  

Thor. Beowulf. Orion. Marduk. Bring it on!
Conflicted on starwars. Such a poisoned well.

Blogger Norse Fan July 22, 2019 9:20 PM  

I like the Norse idea, would to the extent I can support it.

Blogger Karen took the Kids July 22, 2019 9:26 PM  

I'll support anything to cleanse the world of this nonsense. Can't hide my excitement for the Collier series though, considering Vox has single handedly raised the value of pre-1958 editions.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit July 22, 2019 9:34 PM  

Since Star Quest is Making Star Wars Great Again, what we want is Alt-Asgard.

Especially after what Rick Riorden did to it. Another weak author Scalzifying himself. What a waste.


Since Minna Sundberg has indy Kalevala sewn up, my comic book joy would then be complete.

Blogger Joe July 22, 2019 9:41 PM  

Thor.

Blogger Patrice July 22, 2019 9:42 PM  

Yes, Make Asgard Great Again!

Blogger Mike Rock July 22, 2019 9:48 PM  

Heck yes!!

Blogger Alex Sorensen July 22, 2019 10:45 PM  

YES

Make Asgard Great (and white) Again

Blogger Confederate Sun July 22, 2019 10:56 PM  

Not only this, I think you should consider doing something with The Little Mermaid. Whether it is a movie, book etc.

Blogger VFM Bear July 22, 2019 11:32 PM  

In support of both this and the new junior classics, because I can both chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.

Blogger CostelloM July 22, 2019 11:36 PM  

A real Thor - who Marvel cannot copyright - comic? YES TO THAT. Chuck Dixon doing Thor the Asgardian? Hymdal guarding the BiFrost and being WHITE again? (RAYCISS!!!) YES AND THEN SOME. Of course there is only one way to really test the interest - put up a crowd funding page and see the response to it. You did this with Q and received your answer. I suggest you put on ear protection for this when you finally ask it because the response is likely to be even greater.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare July 23, 2019 12:06 AM  

Thor! As others said Make Asgard Great Again!

I've loved Star Wars since I was a kid, and my mom got me the collection of all three on VHS...but there's no competition here, in my opinion. Thor, and the Nordic legends and mythos, win.

Of course I'd back both of them, but my vote is for Thor.

I liked what someone said about Marduk, Orion, etc too.

Blogger dclingwall July 23, 2019 12:14 AM  

Brilliant of course! Yes, to all three - Collier JC's, Thor/Asgard/Nordic Gods, Star Wars...

Blogger Dave Rolf July 23, 2019 12:44 AM  

As a Swede, I would prefer prioritizing making Asgard great again.

The stories and mythology are very important to me. I will support it.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 23, 2019 1:08 AM  

YES

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 23, 2019 1:14 AM  

Stilicho wrote:I'm in but think the timing would be better if you let the utter "meh" of thorette sink into the public consciousness for a while. Much like the public has had enough of SJW Wars already...It may be better to capitalize on the mess they're going to make of Thor. The publicity may help to reach a large, disenchanted, audience waiting for some people to step up and make comics great again....

Blogger Didact July 23, 2019 1:28 AM  

Supreme Dark Lord, if you launch an Alt-Thor, then I will pledge my support immediately. Marvel and the rest of the comic book and movie industries need to learn a very harsh lesson about the sheer stupidity of turning beloved male characters into females.

Blogger Cetera July 23, 2019 2:08 AM  

I will buy both, and probably even back both if there is a public crowd-funding again. My preference would be the Star Wars line over Thor in terms of priority.

Blogger Bee July 23, 2019 2:38 AM  

I have little interest in sci-fi comics, but a realistic Thor would be something I'd support if crowd-funded. (Also supported alt-hero.)

An idea: maybe alternate the "modern day" Thor with a backup strip that accurately retells the old legends? Then you could later collect them all into an educational "classics" Norse Myth volume for kids.

Of course, there IS one legend where Thor (at Loki's behest) _did_ cross-dress as Freyja, to infiltrate the enemy...

I dunno if the estates are willing, but a comic that depicts Pratt/DeCamp's classic THE ROARING TRUMPET would be cool as well.




Blogger New Atlantis Lost July 23, 2019 4:24 AM  

When that happens, no CGI is allowed! The Hobbit series was awful compared to the beautiful visuals, costume and real sets of LOTR

Blogger Zwiebel July 23, 2019 4:43 AM  

THOR! THOR! THOR!

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