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Sunday, July 14, 2019

Zero interest in the drama

As you've probably heard me say on occasion, I genuinely don't care what Suzy said to Jenny about Sara. Or about me, for that matter. This Internet drama is literally never-ending and there is always something at which one can decide to take offense if one chooses.

So, from this point on, I'm going to do my best to completely ignore literally everyone else who isn't an active enemy of Western civilization and refuse to answer any questions about what I happen to think about anyone else. For example, I think it was a mistake to answer questions about Jared Taylor no matter how idiotic I might happen to believe his decision to engage with CNN was, just as I think it would be a mistake to weigh in publicly regarding the bitter dispute between Owen Benjamin and Mike Cernovich.* I should have just kept my mouth shut and refused to answer the question.

So, please keep this in mind when you are asking me questions in the future. Don't even bother asking "what do you think about X" if X is a public figure, however petty. The answer to all such questions is: "I probably don't, at all, but in the unlikely event that I do, I'm not going to tell you."

I will, of course, continue to express my opinions of the various enemies of Western civilization, especially those who fraudulently pose as its defenders. By which I mean the likes of Jordan Peterson, Dennis Prager, and Ben Shapiro.

* There isn't any such dispute. I'm making a general point here.

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75 Comments:

Blogger ArthurTintagel July 14, 2019 10:56 AM  

The problem is this sort of guilt by association culture. Everyone has to disavow or address something a friend or an associate of theirs said or else they endorse it by default.

Blogger Daniel July 14, 2019 11:10 AM  

I never know who is being defended or disavowed, so I'm happy to read this.

Blogger Crave July 14, 2019 11:13 AM  

More people on the right side should do likewise. Too many end up wasting time and energy fighting trivial fights against the wrong foes.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 14, 2019 11:17 AM  

The sooner the perpetual high school antics in modern discourse wears itself out, the better. The only thing worse than these mindless idiots telling me their unsolicited opinions is their propensity to stir shit up for no good reason and try to make me care.

Look, most of us here have our own problems, but what really doesn’t help is being told by someone who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground something you probably already knew and made a judgment call on.

Blogger Dave July 14, 2019 11:20 AM  

* There isn't any such dispute.

The O/U on those that completely miss or ignore this and ask what's the story with BB and Cerno is 5.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 14, 2019 11:20 AM  

I like people all across the dissident right. I don't care who is going steady this week or who spread gossip and got frowny pants about who last week. My decisions on what I consume & who I interact act with are mine & mine alone.

Blogger P Glenrothes July 14, 2019 11:23 AM  

I wonder what Vox thinks about the dispute between Fazer and King Ace?

Blogger Brett baker July 14, 2019 11:26 AM  

Hundred or thousand?

Blogger Nation-Deprived July 14, 2019 11:27 AM  

Much respect for this honest stance. Public opinions on petty squabbles cause trouble in business and friendships. Better to address it with them privately than in front of an audience.

Blogger Watcher of the skies July 14, 2019 11:33 AM  

Keep up the good fight, Vox! the girls can keep pulling each others hair in the sandbox... I can care less. This blog is pure raw knowledge!

Blogger sammibandit July 14, 2019 11:54 AM  

Very diplomatic.

Blogger ash July 14, 2019 11:55 AM  

"the bitter dispute between Owen Benjamin and Mike Cernovich.*"
"* There isn't any such dispute. I'm making a general point here."

Not yet there isn't. But Owen is stable as the elements on the seventh column of the periodic table. So I imagine there will be one, because Owen can't keep a friendship with anyone.

Blogger binks webelf July 14, 2019 12:02 PM  

Too much drama. Gossip may be all too human, but nowhere in the Bible is it ever commended, but it is condemned.

Moreover, if someone like VOx does comment, then people will then retail it far and wide, to nobody's edification. "Well *I* heard that *Vox* said Cerno TOTALLY had it coming when BB smacked him down".

Life is too short, and past 40, it keeps speeding up.

Blogger tdcommenter July 14, 2019 12:10 PM  

Fiction is a good place for people to get their drama fix.

Blogger sammibandit July 14, 2019 12:10 PM  

Owen can't keep a friendship with anyone.

That's not very charitable. Owen is an extravert with high trait openness and conscientiousness and low agreeableness. Given his personality traits it's a given he will have some bumps with fair-weather friends.

Blogger Primus Pilus July 14, 2019 12:16 PM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:The sooner the perpetual high school antics in modern discourse wears itself out, the better.

Inserting women into business/politics/etc. inevitably turns everything into a bitchy high school clique. If you want to fix modern discourse, you need to keep the percentage of women involved in it to a minimum.

Blogger Sam Sutherland July 14, 2019 12:21 PM  

What about that beef between Vortigern and Hengist, though?!

Blogger Skyler the Weird July 14, 2019 12:26 PM  

"I don't care" or silence meaning the same is a perfectly acceptable answer to any such questions.

Blogger Robert What? July 14, 2019 12:26 PM  

Hey @Vox, what do you think of me? Just keeding :-)

Blogger M Cephas July 14, 2019 12:28 PM  

It was unnecessary drama to begin with. Completely pointless.

Blogger Jimmy July 14, 2019 12:29 PM  

But Vox what about the treaty of Westphalia?

Blogger bad wolf July 14, 2019 12:30 PM  

VD, you keep getting name checked in “comicsgate” comments and every time I’m like, i cant imagine Vox has spent 2 minutes more thinking about you losers.

Blogger Nate July 14, 2019 12:30 PM  

Gossip has killed more organizations.. more churches.. and more movements than can be counted.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 14, 2019 12:33 PM  

Cool.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 14, 2019 12:34 PM  

Ash, are you Haxo by any chance?

Blogger Leoric July 14, 2019 12:41 PM  

I almost got a heart attack at the asterisked name :).

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 14, 2019 12:43 PM  

Which “friends” has Owen lost who hadn’t stabbed him in the back first? Vox recognizes patterns. He would have noticed by now if Owen wasn’t able to keep real friends.

Blogger VD July 14, 2019 12:55 PM  

VD, you keep getting name checked in “comicsgate” comments and every time I’m like, i cant imagine Vox has spent 2 minutes more thinking about you losers.

I haven't spent any time whatsoever. Is that even still a thing?

Blogger dienw July 14, 2019 12:55 PM  

Ah yes, the biblical axiom: "no backbiting." Words worth living by.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( all aboard the Askren hype train ) July 14, 2019 1:02 PM  

12. ash July 14, 2019 11:55 AM
So I imagine there will be one, because Owen can't keep a friendship with anyone.



the only people on the planet are people Owen has broken up with.

this includes Owen's ( still married ) wife, children and brother.

got it.

Blogger Sun Xhu July 14, 2019 1:04 PM  

VD wrote:VD, you keep getting name checked in “comicsgate” comments and every time I’m like, i cant imagine Vox has spent 2 minutes more thinking about you losers.

I haven't spent any time whatsoever. Is that even still a thing?


You are their Voldemort.

Blogger Dave Dave July 14, 2019 1:04 PM  

There are right wing figures I like and those I don't like. I don't watch anything or pay any attention to the ones I don't like. I support my guys. Follow the stoic principle of keeping your opinions to yourself unless asked.

Blogger Ska_Boss July 14, 2019 1:06 PM  

Vox I think this is the best thing you can do to avoid the inexorable problems that arise with such trivial matters.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman July 14, 2019 1:08 PM  

Inserting women ( and gammas) into business/politics/etc. inevitably turns everything into a bitchy high school clique. If you want to fix modern discourse, you need to keep the percentage of women ( and gammas) involved in it to a minimum.

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 14, 2019 1:15 PM  

I wouldn’t be surprised if Owen and Cerno were friendly. Cerno knows many more people than he lets on. He is cautious. Owen is extroverted (at least in public) and is sometimes too trusting. He has been betrayed by people who he thought were his friends. He is more cautious now.

Blogger James G. July 14, 2019 1:20 PM  

Funny, that; Jay Dyer just said the same thing in his most recent video. Good call.

Blogger R.G. Camara July 14, 2019 1:26 PM  

"Save the drama for your momma."

Blogger Haus frau July 14, 2019 1:32 PM  

"Not yet there isn't. But Owen is stable as the elements on the seventh column of the periodic table. So I imagine there will be one, because Owen can't keep a friendship with anyone."

Owen has had a very public learning curve and a huge amount of personal growth over the last year alone. I have watched all of his falling outs with Alex Jones, Crowder, Nimmer, Jordan Peterson, Fuentes, Shapiro, etc. There isn't a single one that wasn't justified. His broken friendships are a product of him being a bit naive. I expect to see fewer about turns like these in the future. He is intelligent enough to know what to look for now.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman July 14, 2019 1:32 PM  

"Also do not take to heart everything people say. Lest you hear your servant cursing you. For many times , also, your own heart has known that even you have cursed others. " Ecclisiastes 7: 21-22

I recently discovered this verse. It had an impact on me. Most of my life, I've been the sort of guy who will hunt down and confront individuals after getting wind that they talked smack behind my back. Now an occasional jab heard here or there , I'll let it go. A regular consistent pattern - not that would be a different story. Im just not holy enough yet.
As Nate said.. gossip kills. It's imperative as men to keep it in check within our homes and within ourselves. Not always easy to do but vitally necessary.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman July 14, 2019 1:41 PM  

"Alex Jones, Crowder, Nimmer, Jordan Peterson, Fuentes, Shapiro"

Every one on that list is either a kook, closet homo, fraud or phony and most likely bought and paid for before they even started. With friends like those, on that list, who needs enemies. ?

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 14, 2019 2:31 PM  

Grifters count on drama to keep the superchats going. Revenge of the Cowards sends people to the stream to ask VD questions where the answer, no matter what the answer is, can be used to stir up drama.

Blogger mike July 14, 2019 2:55 PM  

U shoud also keep ur opinion on Tommy to yourself, its not that i believe hes perfect, nobody is, however; anyone trying to balkanize the right is at this moment a traitor

Blogger binks webelf July 14, 2019 2:59 PM  

@39 Welsh Woodsman-- "I recently discovered this verse."

That goes well with "Let your yes be yes, and your no be no", along with a terrifying verse said by the Lord Jesus:

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." [Matthew 12:36]

Every. Idle. Word.

Idle here means sterile, empty, fruitless. Such words indicate the state of the soul.

Blogger VD July 14, 2019 3:09 PM  

U shoud also keep ur opinion on Tommy to yourself.

I most certainly will. I will never post about him again.

Blogger ash July 14, 2019 3:25 PM  

"Alex Jones, Crowder, Nimmer, Jordan Peterson, Fuentes, Shapiro... [are]... either a kook, closet homo, fraud or phony and most likely bought and paid for before they even started."

Fuentes, Crowder, and Alex Jones crooks? Not sure I agree with you. (Vox doesn't either, because he's appeared on Infowars numerous times after Owen fell out.) The way he was trashing Fuentes was insane. Have you watched Owen recently?

The rest of the list is spot on, but it does show a pattern of poor judgment, to say the least.

Blogger VD July 14, 2019 4:03 PM  

The way he was trashing Fuentes was insane.

Question: did Nick Fuentes actually claim to have turned down an invitation to Unauthorized?

I have no idea what he has said or implied, but there seems to be a perception that he did make such a claim.

Blogger Garuna July 14, 2019 4:06 PM  

Fuentes, Crowder, and Alex Jones crooks? Not sure I agree with you. (Vox doesn't either, because he's appeared on Infowars numerous times after Owen fell out.)

Crowder is a self-admitted bisexual and Alex Jones was busted watching tranny porn on his phone. They're both literal faggots.

Fuentes is a little bitch. He was giving attitude and got what he deserved. He showed his true colors too once the beef got going. Also, he's been trying hard to sell out behind the scenes. Sadly, he can't find any buyers.

The way he was trashing Fuentes was insane. Have you watched Owen recently?

I've bullycided people for less than what Fuentes did. And Owen's jokes about Fuentes and his disaster of a family are fucking hilarious and on point.

Blogger Garuna July 14, 2019 4:11 PM  

I wouldn’t be surprised if Owen and Cerno were friendly.

They are. I was introduced to Owen through Cerno who was promoting him a lot. And later Owen also at one of Cerno's events with Gavin and Stefan.

Blogger ash July 14, 2019 4:13 PM  

Question: did Nick Fuentes actually claim to have turned down an invitation to Unauthorized?

I have no idea what he has said or implied, but there seems to be a perception that he did make such a claim.

I don't know. All I know is what Fuentes posted to Instagram and I watched Owen's response on YouTube. (I got into Owen from this blog - though i watched him earlier on Joe Rogan - but I fell off him after he went after Infowars.) Owen's response seemed very unstabel - but it fits with all the other stuff I've seen from him.

Blogger ash July 14, 2019 4:17 PM  

Garuna - Owen claimed he jerked off with college friends in a live-stream. He doesn't celebrate it, so I won't attack him here for that. But AJ may have weird tastes, but he doesn't celebrate it either.

Either way - since when is calling someone gay an argument? All Owen does is insult people. It hasn't been comedy for a while already.

Blogger VD July 14, 2019 4:17 PM  

Owen's response seemed very unstabel - but it fits with all the other stuff I've seen from him.

Owen isn't even remotely unstable.

Blogger NateM July 14, 2019 4:31 PM  

Stable Dog Beating Genius

Blogger Living in a Fallen World July 14, 2019 4:46 PM  

What is an idle word?

Blogger State Estimation July 14, 2019 4:50 PM  

Owen and Fuentes were on someone's stream...Owen did talk like the door was open for Fuentes to go on Unauthorized. Nick didn't seem enthusiastic about it. I think that was early May. Might have been the genesis of the fracas.

That said, I'm done. Everyone should should drop it.

Blogger Avalanche July 14, 2019 5:06 PM  

@31 VD, you keep getting name checked in “comicsgate” comments

I haven't spent any time whatsoever. Is that even still a thing?



You are their Voldemort.

If THAT were so, wouldn't that mean they couldn't even speak his name, and so the search engines wouldn't even pull them up? Or are some of y'all slumming over there watching the vermin? Tsk tsk.

Blogger Jill July 14, 2019 5:28 PM  

That's why I don't bother with social media anymore, but still read this blog. My increased impatience with drama seems to be on a parallel path with the mediators and host here.

Blogger Rake Johnson July 14, 2019 5:44 PM  

ash wrote:Garuna - Owen claimed he jerked off with college friends in a live-stream.

This is a lie. Not your first one.

State Estimation wrote:Owen and Fuentes were on someone's stream...Owen did talk like the door was open for Fuentes to go on Unauthorized. Nick didn't seem enthusiastic about it. I think that was early May. Might have been the genesis of the fracas.

That said, I'm done. Everyone should should drop it.


Sure you're done. Just get one last dig in, but really you're above all this...

Blogger matveidaniilovich July 14, 2019 5:49 PM  

The problem is with Scalzi being irrelevant Vox no longer has a Moriarity to his Dr. Holmes.

Blogger Thomas Howard July 14, 2019 6:02 PM  

Some say walking in the middle of the road is the safest path. Regardless, things turn out as they should in the end.

Blogger ash July 14, 2019 6:44 PM  

Rake, I'm not lying. Google "Owen Benjamin Room Whacks" without the quotes. You'll find the exact quote (the youtube video is down, but it should be on UA). Now I need to go clean my browser history. Like Vox, I don't like being called a liar when I'm not.

Blogger Nation-Deprived July 14, 2019 7:26 PM  

He said you two talked about it and it didn’t make much sense right now, something to that effect. His smarmy tone could’ve led one to believe he turned down an invite but I don’t think he outright said it.

Blogger Nation-Deprived July 14, 2019 8:14 PM  

It’s true but he’s leaving out now important context. Owen said he was being a naive bravo and his group of friends at the time made it seem like a normal thing so he just went with it. Johnny Arcade and the Cis guys are always making Owen look crazy.

Blogger Beardy Bear July 14, 2019 8:25 PM  

matveidaniilovich wrote:The problem is with Scalzi being irrelevant Vox no longer has a Moriarity to his Dr. Holmes.

How is Holmes winning a problem?

The Dark Lord need not sully his hands with drama. Keep your focus where you want it to be VD, we are all better for it.

Blogger State Estimation July 14, 2019 8:40 PM  

but really you're above all this...

I commented on it, so clearly I'm not. I see the strongest sled dogs fighting instead of pulling. It's bullshit.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 14, 2019 9:27 PM  

It's a good standard. No Drama, and "what have you accomplished?". There is a total drama clique and I could name names but why should I when we can use The Standard? So you know who's who by who accomplished what.

This also cuts the knees off the shills and trolls who come here specifically to sow discord.

I think the people who assume that Owen and Vox are going to be enemies someday are pretty much the kind of people who always manage to wreck their own relationships. They don't just let a good relationship or friendship play out by itself. They end up sabotaging it and turning friends into enemies every time. So naturally they see Vox and Owen working together and expect an outcome that is for the most part based on expectations born of what happens in their own lives.

Blogger ArthurTintagel July 14, 2019 10:07 PM  

@Garuna

lol you laugh at Alex Jones for the tranny porn thing(which i agree with you on), but you're okay with Cernovich who on his blog bragged about sleeping with a ladyboy in Southeast Asia?

Blogger Joe July 15, 2019 1:28 AM  

"The problem is this sort of guilt by association culture. Everyone has to disavow or address something a friend or an associate of theirs said or else they endorse it by default."

It's about stirring up a shit storm and watching everybody fight.

Blogger Steve Samson July 15, 2019 4:08 AM  

I don't go into KFC and complain they don't sell hamburgers, and I'm not going to come to Vox Popoli and complain they don't do drama.

Blogger VD July 15, 2019 4:39 AM  

If you keep taking shots at Owen, you'll be banned, Ash. What part of "no drama" do you find hard to understand.

Blogger VD July 15, 2019 8:05 AM  

What part of "no interest in the drama" do you not understand, birdman? Drop it.

Blogger CarpeOro July 15, 2019 12:46 PM  

I appreciate the already low level of commentary on others here outside of their direct participation in the subject at hand. The drama serves the enemy as the smoke part of smoke and mirrors. It distracts and obscures the issue at hand.

Since I started watching Owen, I have only seen someone that endeavors to be someone who is loyal to those he thinks are friends. While I have detected something off about a couple people before he did, I can't fault him for it - I have failed to make correct assessments myself at times. If I have question of Owen however, I'll ask the source. Not Vox.

Blogger Arcux July 15, 2019 2:52 PM  

Great minds discuss principles. Mediocre minds discuss events. Weak minds discuss people.

That's why I'm here.

Blogger King Cumberland July 15, 2019 10:32 PM  

Vox, if you want an honest summary of what happened, Owen had clearly been watching Nick's show for a few weeks, liked what he saw,and was directing his followers to Nick's content which he believed was a nice gesture. Nick's show has a very distinct vibe to it. He basically insults all superchatters and the superchatters try to get under Nick's skin. When one of Owen's fans said they had identical views and should do a show together, he said he didnt think their views were identical and would have Red Elephants set up the stream. He was condescending but no more so than his usual banter. Owen took it as an insult to his audience and a rebuke of his attempt to help Nick. He clearly thought he was owed some special consideration from Nick for helping him, but Nick didnt think it was that serious and is adverse to the sort of rhetoric which implies he is being held up by the efforts of others, having had to fight against just about everybody on the broad dissident right. Owen attacked Nick. Nick attacked Owen. Owen attacked Nick's family. And here we are. Hope this helps.

Blogger King Cumberland July 15, 2019 10:38 PM  

No. A superchatter said, "Vox said he'd be open to having you on Unauthorized. Why dont you join?" Nick replied it didnt make sense for him right now, and he had spoken to you. I dont know why people insist on dramatizing otherwise innocuous statements.

Blogger Calven July 16, 2019 3:00 AM  

Circle jerk bro code.

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