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Thursday, August 08, 2019

The algorithm made me do it

It looks as if Michael Yon's story on Google is going to be a lot more explosive than Wired's, if indeed the latter's ever runs.
Achtung! Pay attention: tonight I talked for about an hour with a "Google Snowden" who will soon go public. A deep insider.

Fascinating stuff. I cannot say much now other than pay attention to what is coming out starting in a week or so from now.

Source said many interesting things about how Chinese are flooding into tech companies like Google, and some of the incredible techniques they can use to brainwash or at least mislead millions of people.

Take this as an example that I am making up based on our conversation. Again, I am making this up but it is based on our conversation:

A politician tweets saying we must protect our national interests.

Google, or whoever, immediately promotes all stories that translates, "must protect our national interests," to "nationalism," and then in almost real time rewrites the meaning of "nationalism" to include traits such as xenophobic, racist, and references Nazis as nationalists.

This happens so quickly and so comprehensively that most people never will notice that in the 30 seconds the curtain was closed, Google (or whoever) rewrote part of the dictionary, and history.

To state this more clearly: they can basically rewrite what you say, write, sing, wear, or hand gesture -- name it -- and they can rewrite that faster than we can make popcorn.

They can do this anonymously saying the algorithm is doing it when in reality they write the rules that make the rules.

Anyway, the insider told me much more. I do not know how much already is public but I do think that if the source is correct, President Trump and a lot of others in powerful positions will be extremely angry with some of the internet players who already have hired half of China.
The amusing thing is that those of us who are dev-savvy already knew this was how it worked. An algorithm is not an excuse, it's just a series of rules. So, blaming bad behavior on "the algorithm did it" is simply pointing the finger at the programmers of the algorithm.

But an insider putting it in terms that non-developers will understand and demonstrating the intrinsically and intentionally manipulative of the process is essentially translating it from techno-dialectic to techno-rhetoric, which is necessary if people are to be stirred into action.

And the most revealing aspect will be the obvious aims of the manipulators being revealed by the nature of the manipulation.

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61 Comments:

Blogger wahr01 August 08, 2019 4:46 PM  

This is putting to the dialectical sword the viability of freedom of speech and/or Democracy.

Democracy cannot exist when powerful players have "hacked" their way around cognition for wide swaths of the populace.

Either their speech gets curtailed or their manipulative practices undermine Democracy.

Blogger Jeroth August 08, 2019 4:51 PM  

Are Jewish and Chinese interests overlapping? Because the example he gives is a quintessentially Jewish rhetorical concern.

Blogger Whitecloak August 08, 2019 5:00 PM  

@2 Both are enemies of the West, so...

Blogger Hammerli 280 August 08, 2019 5:04 PM  

I find it interesting that while the Left is pushing the Trump-Russia Collusion Lie, they are quietly colluding with the Chinese.

SJWs always project, of course. The question is whether Trump will let them get away with it, perhaps with a few tweets...or get off his duff and lock them up.

Blogger James Pyrich August 08, 2019 5:10 PM  

If a tech person blames the algorithm without referencing the human element, they're just revealing themselves as an anti-computer bigot! How dare they throw an innocent computer under the bus in order to shield some human!

#ComputerLivesMatter

Blogger tublecane August 08, 2019 5:10 PM  

"those of us who are dev-savvy already knew this was how it worked."

The Algorithm Made Me Do It defense was always for people lacking all sense of what an algorithm is. Or any grasp of mathematics beyond arithmetic, probably.

I decided to test what Goog results I get from searching "nation." It was pretty straightforward, featuring a definition with which I could quibble but is useable. Then, I stepped it up to "nationalism," and Very Bad Things like "white nationalism," "extremism," and "fundamentalism" raised their heads. Images were mostly flags, but you could see a grotesque Trump caricature and what might have been a skinhead.

Even so, no Nazi imagery. That surprised me.

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear August 08, 2019 5:22 PM  

Jeroth wrote:Are Jewish and Chinese interests overlapping? Because the example he gives is a quintessentially Jewish rhetorical concern.

Just to help you out, FYI, many Hawaiians and Philippinos and other South Pacific denizens will tell you: You want to be funny with your "Local Humor"? With your "Ethnic jokes? It's easy here. Just replace all your Jew jokes with Chinese!" Nothing better than walking into a party in Hawaii where "Local Humor" is encouraged and actively practised. No group is spared. It is a great way to break the ice and instantly figure out who the SJW's in the room are.

Blogger Mark Stoval August 08, 2019 5:26 PM  

We have known for a long, long time that all media was re-writing history and lying about what someone said if that person went against the narrative.

Many of us have known for a long time that the tech companies were deep into playing Big Brother and controlling the narrative.

They question has always been; how do we get the normies to understand?

Blogger Wilkes Marprelate August 08, 2019 5:27 PM  

Remember, opening up to China was a good thing and would result in them becoming more benign (or so the NeoLibs and Libertarians kept telling us).

Blogger God Emperor Memes August 08, 2019 5:30 PM  

"The Algorithm Made Me Do It" a.k.a. "The Digital Nuremberg Defence"

Blogger The Cooler August 08, 2019 5:31 PM  

To the uninitiated, I explain Google as analogous to a library that restricts one from certain books, and, one that redacts large sections of the books they allow one access to. I have found this very effective. From there, it's a hop, skip and a jump to a rudimentary explanation of algorithms, proper.

Blogger Stilicho August 08, 2019 5:32 PM  

Who (with an IQ above room$ temperature anyway) doesn't understand that the big tech/ social media companies are doing this? It is exactly what the main stream media have been doing forever (albeit with a slower response time).

Blogger Korbin Ransley August 08, 2019 5:46 PM  

Great info coming out about the leftist/globalist social engineers in recent years.

It's been apparent something has been wrong with the media coverage, internet stories and searches, and Wikipedia for some time.

This coupled with all the Civ Nat, anti west, and pro migrant indoctrination, and rhetoric. Really has an effect. But the right still rises, and perseveres. The Alt Right is inevitable.

Thankful to the Alt Right, dissident right and just plain honest and decent commentators. Thankful for Infogalactic.

Blogger Robert What? August 08, 2019 5:48 PM  

Google isn't even to hide it anymore. It's like: "Yeah, what are you going to do about it? Break us up? We own virtually every politician in Washington."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 08, 2019 5:51 PM  

I punched into Bing various colored nationalist is racist queries and the results were bland. I punched into Bing the usual is Zionism racist and all I can say is, "Run Hebrews." Talk about Golem gone wild.

Blogger Critias August 08, 2019 5:58 PM  

It was mentioned a little while ago, but just to add another voice. I would indeed love Castalia to publish an old dictionary. (And also ship outside the US, that'd be dandy)

Blogger Unknown August 08, 2019 6:00 PM  

Yes it's automated redefinitions. This is sort of like what Theodore Adorno did in 'The Authoritarian Personality'. You just associate any positive term or concept you oppose in a linguistic network with a negative synonym or correlative term, and redefine your opposition.

If Google can do it instantaneously and, like Adorno, claim 'neutrality' as per the Google 'life ledger' leak they can actually cause guided ideological formation using neuro-transmitter feedback loops with guided exposures.

Remember the Google life-ledger leaks? They said they would craft desired informational life paths for individuals by determining what they could see on the internet.

Google are just a front for Darpa MEMEX program for social command and control. Who here believes for on second that having built 'Dragon' for social credit, Google aren't a) instituting an increasing range of elements of it in the West b) feeding western data for dark-money consideration to the Chinese?

Everywhere you care to examine closely you find corruption and treason. It's quite amazing. But the core of decent people in the world just trying to earn a living and raise a family and treat everyone with courtesy is what is giving us more time.

Blogger Balam August 08, 2019 6:05 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Google isn't even to hide it anymore. It's like: "Yeah, what are you going to do about it? Break us up? We own virtually every politician in Washington."

In a strange twist youtube just banned the word 'goyim'. If you put a comment to a video with the word your post is automatically deleted in about a minute, just tested it myself.

Blogger The Cooler August 08, 2019 6:09 PM  

@6 That surprised me

If you search anonymously, clear your cookies manually, have told your browser to clear them upon the browser being closed, use a VPN or ad blockers, you're going to get fairly generic results.

Google writes sound predictive algorithms, but the 'magic' is entirely dependent upon one allowing Google to follow one all over the Internet so their tracking beacons and cookies can feed the algorithm(s).

Google learns you... then and only then can Google manipulate you.

Blogger Nate August 08, 2019 6:09 PM  

Google is the most evil company on earth

Blogger pnq87 August 08, 2019 6:16 PM  

White people have their heads stuck so firmly up their own Jew-holes that they will be eaten alive by low trust brown people before they ever even figure out what's happened.

Blogger Stilicho August 08, 2019 6:19 PM  

"Google learns you... then and only then can Google manipulate you."

Ah, so it delivers lies designed to appeal to the individual targeted. Walter Cronkite and Josef Goebbels eat your shriveled litte hearts out.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 08, 2019 6:22 PM  

They are going to be blaming the algorithm in their criminal trials.

Blogger Unknown August 08, 2019 6:33 PM  

The Cooler wrote:Google learns you... then and only then can Google manipulate you.

No. That's a partial assessment.

Google 'forms' you.

Then it learns whatever formation of 'you' it didn't form at the margins of your behavior and psychology.

Eventually, it is intended there will be no margins.

Blogger Stilicho August 08, 2019 6:54 PM  

"No. That's a partial assessment.

Google 'forms' you"

It must be truly horrible to be ruled by such lies.

Blogger W. P. Harrison August 08, 2019 6:54 PM  

It would be one thing if the Chinese were secretly invading and taking over these tech companies. But it’s a whole other story, that we’re actively inviting them via H1Bs and suchlike programs. The Supreme Darklord might consider revising his estimate down to 2024.

Blogger Unknown August 08, 2019 6:57 PM  

The life ledger leak says it works like a neural network. They introduce you to a node, then they guide along a pre-determined network of informational interactions that forms your behavioural patterns, ideology, personality, and psychology. In a genuine one-world system for example, the number of external formational influences would be reduced to zero. That's why for example, the Catholic Church has been under such relentless subversion and attack - because it's core purpose is 'formation'.

Social credit has major theological implications - it literally substitutes the Almighty with an omnipresent and I believe VD calls it an 'omnidigerent', and omnipotent state - where the desired moral order is enforced by a classical conditioning and a limited array of choice paths and information exposure.

I always found it interesting that Tolkien was so prescient about the great Eye, and the many eyes.

Blogger Unknown August 08, 2019 7:00 PM  

Stilicho wrote:Google 'forms' you"

It must be truly horrible to be ruled by such lies.


I'm not expressing a personal normative sentiment. I'm not saying it should, or necessarily does. I'm saying based on the life-ledger leaks, Dragon, and Jamie Damore that is Google's intention - ideological formation and suppression of what it regards as negative formational influences. Like, the family, and God etc.


That's why I linked to Adorno - Google is trying to create what it regards as the antithesis of the Authoritarian personality. Which just so happens to include almost all of the core elements of functioning civic society and western civilization.

You have misunderstood me completely. Anyway there is my input. Don't mean to thread-dom.

Blogger Raker_T August 08, 2019 7:05 PM  

If it weren't for the H1Bs, I'd ask How likely is it that a Jew would say "Oh no, it's not me, it's THOSE GUYS over there"?
@14 It was this morning, or yesterday, that I was thinking about sloppily executed false flag events, and I was reminded of the Arkancides. Some are so blatantly not suicide that the perps are probably smirking and letting them be a message; they wouldn't want the incidents to look like actual suicides. That, and part of the message is that local LE is in on it, to the degree that they call it suicide.
So will the mass shooting incidents become so obviously not random that they are a message?

Blogger David Ray Milton August 08, 2019 7:06 PM  

It would be funny if I went to type in Google is amazing on this comment and their algorithm automatically changed it to “Google Is Amazing!”

Blogger God Emperor Memes August 08, 2019 7:07 PM  

Boomers. They believe everything they see in the media. Also, it is confirmation bias for Leftists.

Blogger basementhomebrewer August 08, 2019 7:24 PM  

The "algorithm" is just the same "climate model" lie rehashed. People can't seem to understand that if you design the equation you can get the answers you want.

Blogger The Cooler August 08, 2019 7:27 PM  

Ah, so it delivers lies designed to appeal to the individual targeted.

Right. -- and/or probes one over time and builds a profile of the user; with this profile, Google can -- and quite clearly does -- manipulate the manipulable. A 'Continuum of Manipulability,' if you will, some more or less susceptible, constructed more with metadata than data, the former being the truly valuable information.

In this way, Unknown is correct: those who can be 'formed' will be. (I)ntention to form ≠ formed and requires too much commitment to Tabula Rasa to ultimately subscribe to fear-based implications that ultimately lead to non-NPCs being reprogrammed into NPCs.

In other words, MPAI: yesterday, today and tomorrow. Most people also do not ultimately matter as regards the course of human events.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 08, 2019 7:38 PM  

"It must be truly horrible to be ruled by such lies."

That's an accurate assessment of a successive layer of the program. Granted, the margins are probably most of it for most people, and all of it for some people, but if the program has any ability to manipulate people at all, then this is both one of the end goals, and a very vague statement of current progress.

Do I think it could ever hit 100% fidelity? No, but something like it will eventually hit 100% with people ruled by sin.

Blogger Avalanche August 08, 2019 8:09 PM  

Semi-OT: Neon Revolt just posted:
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Switching my default search engine in #Dissenter to #Qwant after recent revelations that #DuckDuckGo is supporting all manner of Radical Leftist causes with lots of donations.

DDG just seems to be morphing into Google Lite, and frankly, I'm liking not only the search results better, but the user experience of Qwant much more already.

And it's already built into Dissenter by default, so switching is really easy.
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Blogger Korbin Ransley August 08, 2019 8:38 PM  

@5 James Pyrich

SJW tech person: "It was the algorithms fault not intentional manipulation on our part. No left wing bias here."

Hal 9000: "I think you know what the problem is just a well as I do" 8^)

Blogger Crew August 08, 2019 8:40 PM  

Hmmm, qwant seem to find lots of stuff ...

Blogger Raker_T August 08, 2019 9:07 PM  

Limited Liability Algorithms.

Blogger LP916 August 08, 2019 9:07 PM  

Yep, what we were expecting and much more.

Blogger James Dixon August 08, 2019 9:52 PM  

> The amusing thing is that those of us who are dev-savvy already knew this was how it worked.

Of course.

> So, blaming bad behavior on "the algorithm did it" is simply pointing the finger at the programmers of the algorithm.

Who are merely doing what their supervisors demand. It all comes back to management.

> I would indeed love Castalia to publish an old dictionary.

As I believe has been discussed here before, the 1913 edition of Webster’s New International Dictionary of the English Language is in the public domain. You can search it online at https://www.websters1913.com/ or download the full text from http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29765. There is a Project Gutenberg edited edition which can be downloaded at http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/673

Vox could republish if he wants, but the cost would probably be prohibitive. Front end programs to convert the text to a searchable database and allow you to store and search it on your won computer would probably be more usable.

Blogger Lazarus August 08, 2019 10:35 PM  

This kind of thing can only affect elections if the majority of the electorate are morons.

(pause for effect)

Oh wait.......

Blogger Stilicho August 08, 2019 10:52 PM  

"ideological formation and suppression of what it regards as negative formational influences. Like, the family, and God etc. "

I wasn't implying anything other than the sentiment that to have such a malignant influence effectively manipulating one would truly suck. On another level, though, I don't think such lies work on someone unless they embrace the lie. It might fool someone temporarily, but the behavioral programing doesn't work unless the target abandons truth for the false comfort of the pretty lies.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 August 08, 2019 11:03 PM  

I'm kind of sad you didn't do a darkstream on Josh Harris. The founder of the Christian 'purity' movement just happens to be a gay predator with an interest in turning young men into pansies?

All I could think of was how many of the girls in my Christian college were dating and mating guys outside the church. Guys who were a lot like you used to be.

Either way, Men like Harris represent a very dangerous attack on the Christian family.

Blogger S. Thermite August 08, 2019 11:15 PM  

Saw the movie “Glass” last night, M. Night Shyamalan‘s sequel to to “Unbreakable” and “Split” starring Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson, James McAvoy, . The trademark Shyamalan “twist” at the end is somewhat relevant to this conversation.

[Spoiler Alert] All three of the primary male actors play individuals with superhuman, abilities who are eventually institutionalized, with their treatment supervised by a female psychiatrist who specializes in “superhero delusions.”. It isn’t until the end, when they break out and display their raw powers in front of her...and are each subsequently murdered..,that she’s disclosed as knowing the truth all along. Turns out she’s part of a cabal of elite politicians, businessmen, cops, etc. who conspire to protect the normal human order from even the knowledge of such outliers, up-to-and-including having the cops murder the primary superhero. But murder is not their preferred method...her job is to try to break the outliers by convincing them their own perception of reality is what’s actually wrong. There’s one additional twist at the end though which I won’t disclose.

Blogger Raker_T August 09, 2019 12:13 AM  

OT speaking of publishing, or alternate platforms; I thought I'd relate this while I'm thinking of it. There's a site called Wikimedia, where I've been able to get some pretty cool public domain images. I don't know how they are about contributions, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were over on the left. Is there a need for an alternative site that would allow images 'they' don't want seen? It might be a huge labor sucking pit, trying to keep ahead of liability.
For years, there was a site called OpenClipArt.org, where thousands of free vector files were. The site has been down for a couple months, with a note saying all is protected, but I don't expect it to come back. I got away with some scathing meme type files; which the moderators hated, but allowed to stay up anyway.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon August 09, 2019 3:19 AM  

@26 "It would be one thing if the Chinese were secretly invading and taking over these tech companies. But it’s a whole other story, that we’re actively inviting them via H1Bs and suchlike programs. The Supreme Darklord might consider revising his estimate down to 2024."

In defence of the Chinese, 80% of the spots on the H1B roster go to the pajeets. I have seen increased numbers of Chinese in Silicon Valley, so there might be another source. OPTs, E-class visas, etc. The curry munchers have the H1B locked down.

Blogger Scuzzaman August 09, 2019 3:55 AM  

“This coupled with all the Civ Nat, anti west, and pro migrant indoctrination, and rhetoric.”

Yes. They even got you doing it. They’re invaders, not migrants.

Blogger Scuzzaman August 09, 2019 3:59 AM  

Google is the most evil company on earth

I agree. In retrospect it was obvious from their motto, but hope springs eternal, I guess ...

Blogger Scuzzaman August 09, 2019 4:07 AM  

Google is Huxley’s dreams coming true.

Blogger Gettimothy August 09, 2019 4:31 AM  

@40 on linux the dictd program is an interface to several free dictionaries. One of them is a copy of the 1913 Websters you cite.

http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict

Blogger nswhorse August 09, 2019 5:19 AM  

@lynnjynh9315

He did.

https://www.unauthorized.tv/programs/darkstreams-3f4d75?cid=385748

Blogger PJW Gent August 09, 2019 7:42 AM  

Since those mouthing the algorithm excuse are atheists, I guess this is the natural progression from the devil made me do it excuse. The self-righteous always blame someone else for their evil.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 09, 2019 7:51 AM  

A thought: could the Life Ledger project identify potential mass shooters and guide them to the goal of carrying out a mass shooting?

Blogger PJW Gent August 09, 2019 7:57 AM  

Unknown wrote:...Everywhere you care to examine closely you find corruption and treason. It's quite amazing. But the core of decent people in the world just trying to earn a living and raise a family and treat everyone with courtesy is what is giving us more time.

What is giving us more time is this..."6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way." 2 Thessalonians 2:5-6.

This is argued to be God's common grace exercised by the power of the Holy Spirit working in the affairs of men. This is what truly restrains this evil from being absolutely pervasive. I shudder to think what it will be like when this restraint is finally "taken out of the way."

Blogger PJW Gent August 09, 2019 8:30 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:A thought: could the Life Ledger project identify potential mass shooters and guide them to the goal of carrying out a mass shooting?
Or be used as reinforcement for MKUltra conditioning and triggering when needed...

Blogger KirkTownzen August 09, 2019 8:42 AM  

Could you use this argument against machine learning algorithims where unpredictable emergent behiaviors are commonplace? Google is heavily pursuing such algorithms - I wonder if it's because they are actually an improvement in tech or because they strengthen the "algorithm made me do it" argument.

Blogger Johnny Reb August 09, 2019 8:58 AM  

I always assumed that was directed at the user in that they don't want you to be evil in the way they determine evil. Ergo that makes them evil. If that wasn't their original intention it sure is now.

Blogger James Dixon August 09, 2019 11:00 AM  

> Could you use this argument against machine learning algorithims where unpredictable emergent behiaviors are commonplace?

Look, if you're driving, and your tire blows out causing you to swerve and hit someone, are you still responsible?

Your tire blowing out is not expected behavior. But you're still responsible for it. The same is true of Google's algorithms. They wrote them, their actions are their responsibility.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 09, 2019 11:03 AM  

@56

> Google is heavily pursuing such algorithms - I wonder if it's because they are actually an improvement in tech or because they strengthen the "algorithm made me do it" argument.

They're doing it for the excuse.

The algorithms were already optimized a decade ago for serving the purpose that USERS of a search engine for.

All further work is to subvert the user's purpose in favor of Google management's agenda.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 09, 2019 11:03 AM  

@56

> Google is heavily pursuing such algorithms - I wonder if it's because they are actually an improvement in tech or because they strengthen the "algorithm made me do it" argument.

They're doing it for the excuse.

The algorithms were already optimized a decade ago for serving the purpose that USERS of a search engine for.

All further work is to subvert the user's purpose in favor of Google management's agenda.

Blogger fduvall August 09, 2019 5:30 PM  

Avalanche - I haven't been able to vet this yet, but just saw this the other day. Also, Elizabeth had the Founder/CEO of Qwant on her panel at Mobile World during Q1 and he seems feisty and principled! I am going to make the switch now.
https://godfatherpolitics.com/report-search-site-duckduckgo-hands-user-data-over-to-google/#!/back

Avalanche wrote:Semi-OT: Neon Revolt just posted:

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Switching my default search engine in #Dissenter to #Qwant after recent revelations that #DuckDuckGo is supporting all manner of Radical Leftist causes with lots of donations.

DDG just seems to be morphing into Google Lite, and frankly, I'm liking not only the search results better, but the user experience of Qwant much more already.

And it's already built into Dissenter by default, so switching is really easy.

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