There's no way
A former MCC convict says it is absolutely impossible for Epstein to have killed himself.
There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.Remember, the one thing we know is that the Official Story - which in this case is that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself - is not true.
Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.
You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.
When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.
The clothing they give you is a jump-in uniform. Everything is a dark brown color.
Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars.
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Not unless you take into account Jeffrey's UMBRA in which case everything makes sense and nothing fishy is going on.
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Epstein is dead, he was sloppily murdered and those who did it are either so desperate they'll risk the bad optics or so sure of themselves that they don't care. If it's the second we're in deep, deep shit.
If he were an agent he may well have wanted to die. The dark lord of this has many ways of controlling his minions, oncluding harming someone/something he loved if he fails to do his duty. Its not unknown.
I have read some articles that he was taken off suicide watch a week after he tried to off himself. Then none of the guards performed their mandatory 30 minute checks on the prisoner that night.
Epstein is dead, he was sloppily murdered and those who did it are either so desperate they'll risk the bad optics or so sure of themselves that they don't care.
Or jonesin' so hard for some underage stink that they can't think straight.
...or so sure of themselves that they don't care. Or they want you to know and are sending a message.
Dark-out, rendition, transfer.
Outcomes depend on who. Military, implicate Shadow Cabal, extract names for covert justice. (I'd disagree with that assessment, the US needs public exaction of justice).
Shadow Cabal, silence source, accept awareness, offset by opsec. The question is whether motive strength or weakness.
Very scary. These are new dynamics.
In the end, it does not matter, as the Pedo cases will move forward. Ray Chandler has always been the key witness, not
Epstein.
Epstein had left suicide watch late July I believe.
Not that this really matters, but to correct a misconception.
Is he actually dead?
Yet, this was a great red pill against the MSM. It is moving in the direction that no believes MSM version of anything, at least for this event.
Odds suggest a desperate murder, as it is hard to believe the rabbit hole divers like SB2, or the "ears are not the same" people.
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It wasn't "sloppy". Everyone knows that he was murdered, and it just doesn't matter. Is the nation going to rise up in arms to avenge Epstein? No. Will it ever be proved in a court of law that it was a murder, and justice done? No. Will the gerrymanders and the MIC iron triangle deals be affected in any way? No. They can murder Epstein with the thinnest veneer of "can't prove we did it" with complete impunity.
The only thing that matters is that that man not take the stand and testify under oath the stuff that he knows. And that's been taken care of. Murder? Pfft. No-one is going to jail, so fuck you.
Complete, unashamed lawlessness.
I was thinking of the suicide of Hermann Goering. Allegedly he came up with plenty of ingenious was to hide his cyanide, but in the end we must conclude he had some sort of assistance. So thorough and frequent were the checks and monitoring. For whatever, no one was or is all that interested in finding out who or why.
Of course, that was a man doomed to the gallows. He wasn't going to give anything else up. The execution wouldn't even have been public. Doesn't matter all that much which way he went.
Cue scene from the wire where inmate is slumped sitting down with a belt wrapped around his bedpost.
Doorknobs are dangerous!
"Anyway, that's who the author of that piece is, saying don't believe your lying eyes."
The typical senseless feminist in gaslight mode.
I'll believe Epstein committed suicide if he was given the means and ordered to do it. With probably someone there, watching.
There was at least one other attempt on Epstein's life, when he was found unconscious in his cell and if reports are true there was another attempt not reported on when he was attacked and beaten. These were either warnings to him to STFU or just poorly executed attempted murders. The killing itself was hilariously incompetent. Staging it to look like suicide when people were openly joking about him being suicided? Paying off guards. Malfunctioning cameras. It looks terrible. Maybe they're just incredibly arrogant and don't care about the blow back, but given the events leading up to his death, including the document dump from the civil case, whoever did this is far from omnipotent. What's surprised me most about the coup attempts against Trump is how incredibly stupid his enemies are. Even though they had a complete lock on the media narrative and controlled the Mueller investigation they still couldn't make anything stick. Pathetic. Fear not, yes our enemies are legion but luckily they're also complete morons.
"We came, we saw, he died!" (HRC laughing uncannily)
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Who is to say he's dead? Just because the media and government claim it happened and in one of their government held institutions doesn't mean it did. Where is the film of him killing himself? Where is the pictures of his dead body? Possibly he could be in Israel or somewhere else right now enjoying his freedom given to him by those that kept him safe for years. These things happen and I've yet to see real proof he's dead.
I'm almost surprised they didn't claim Epstein used hair from his head and back to clandestinely braid the rope he "hanged himself" with.
Just watched "In the Line of Duty", season 3, on Netflix. It is about pedophilia among high-ranking people. The anti-corruption cops there are pretty "Logos" (I believe this term can now be used as an adjective) and would find the truth if sent into Epstein's prison.
Also, just because there might be a picture of a supposed dead man doesn't mean it is him or that he is even dead.
Epstein belonged a mob-connected class of Jewish oligarchs with deep ties to both the U.S. and Israel going back decades.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/
@27
Indeed:
JEFFREY EPSTEIN DISAPPEARS
https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-comments.html
It shows you how terrified the "elite" were at what Epstein might have revealed, that they were so brazen in this fake suicide.
@12 Yet, this was a great red pill against the MSM. It is moving in the direction that no believes MSM version of anything, at least for this event.
They buy their NYT at the coffee shop and believe; nothing gets through, not a shadow of doubt crosses their minds: "But, Trump knew him....! Yeah, so, and so did every mover ans shaker of NYC and environs; does that make them all pedophiles and homosexuals? "But, Trump knew him....!!
I am giving the tl:dr version of my argument this morning with an NPC in a Greensboro coffee shop.
@3. Borsabil - Epstein is dead, he was sloppily murdered and those who did it are either so desperate they'll risk the bad optics or so sure of themselves that they don't care. If it's the second we're in deep, deep shit.
It IS the second. Offering up Oswald to Ruby was bad optics. We had a coup, and there was no uprising. In fact, if it wasn't for bad optics, there wouldn't be any optics at all.
Apparently the FBI have opened an investigation into his assassination ... I mean suicide. Which is laughable on two counts: First the FBI have no credibility left. Second they were probably involved in some way.
Hell, even that dingbat AOC is crying foul:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-aoc-demands-answers-after-convicted-pedophile-dies-of-apparent-suicide/
I am hearing that Epstein posted his manifesto to 8chan before he committed suicide.
Something about a master race from his sperm.
Mystic On Main wrote:It just doesn't matter. It's distraction. Clinton, The Prince, Trump, the rest of them were all in bed with Epstein at one point and all of them knew about Epstein and all of them are sleeping safely. Better to move on and take care of real business.
Knock off the effing NPC "Trump!,Trump!,Trump!!,Trump!!!,..."shite. You're exposing yourself to be either an shill or an idiot; take your pick; there is no third option available to you.
@38: Dude, he's a shill. Just look at the cute name he uses.
What does UMBRA mean?
@38 The Shadow knows.
Saw a post elsewhere that German ham radio operators are reporting Epstein was transferred to Ramstein Air Base under heavy sedation.
Feign suicide while getting him to safe protective custody?
As suicide was the best possible outcome for the Deep State, I am thinking as most likely they gave him both motive and opportunity and let nature take it's course. That previous alleged suicide attempt may well have been the Deep State explaining to him that we can get to you, and if we have to do it, it will be a lot less pleasant. Thus examination of the physical evidence will not reveal anything unexpected.
There is a way for it to be done. Hermann Göring may have bribed a guard to get his cyanide pill.
It was Mossad, most likely. Maybe Israel wants to purge and expose the decadent US Jewry to the light of day and Epstein was the key to it...gather evidence while facilitating the pedoisland fantasy.
If they thought he would talk and expose them to save his own neck, they'd do it. The incompetence in the way it was done would point to domestic sources.
In any case, unless he has a dead man's switch in a Swiss bank box full of incriminating documents, Devil Maus wins another round.
"...or so sure of themselves that they don't care. Or they want you to know and are sending a message."
Satan's minions have already seen that message. It's a mistake to air it to the public.
You can choke yourself with anything. After you pass out you often do not let go so if you try this make sure you have a friend there to knock your hands loose after you pass out. The passout game is also known alternatively as "the fainting game," "tap out," "hangman," "elevator," and "blackout". Check it out: people die playing this 'game' all the time.
Wrap something around your neck and pull it tight and hold it as long as you can: you passout. When you come to your body tingles all over.
Somehow I think Bibi just planted a commemorative olive tree.
@Northener
So what do you think may have been the "anything" Epstein had in his cell that he could have used to play that "game"?
Borsabil wrote: The killing itself was hilariously incompetent.
Not so sure about that, Chief.
Epstein is deader than Hillary's POTUS chances...
Killed in Federal custody when even Paul Krugman could have accurately predicted it would be attempted...
No one has been arrested, fired or demoted...
Seems pretty competent to me.
dienw wrote:I am giving the tl:dr version of my argument this morning with an NPC in a Greensboro coffee shop.
NPCs just follow their script. More generally, most normies are asleep because they're normie, not vise versa. Heads in the sand because they like it that way.
@27
"Also, just because there might be a picture of a supposed dead man doesn't mean it is him or that he is even dead."
Good point. The photo of the man on the gurney certainly does NOT show a man with the sallow skin tone of a man whose heart stopped beating more than a few seconds prior.
So, to sum it up, even the dead fake Epstein is fake-dead.
"Apparently the FBI have opened an investigation into his assassination ... I mean suicide. Which is laughable on two counts: First the FBI have no credibility left. Second they were probably involved in some way."
The FBI were neck-deep in the satanic Franklin child rape ring for DC cover-up. They intimidated and badgered the child witnesses, stopping at nothing. It needs to be purged by fire.
New York is well-known for its corrupt, lazy and incompetent government employees. The official story that it was a suicide could very well be true.
On top of this the psychology field is rife with incompetence so him being taken of suicide watch is par for the course.
Should it could have been a suicide.
conveniently useful incompetence is best incompetence.
The Enemy always feigns stupidity to hide evil.
Well here's word from someone that survived a suicide attempt in the same facility:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-in-the-media/the-forecaster/jeffrey-epstein-is-dead-of-course-on-schedule/
Seems it happens often if you inconvenience the wrong people in NY.
Northerner wrote:Wrap something around your neck and pull it tight and hold it as long as you can
The official story is suicide by hanging, not by choking with both feet on the ground.
Short of a direct revelation of God, I don't see how we will ever know for sure what happened.
"https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-in-the-media/the-forecaster/jeffrey-epstein-is-dead-of-course-on-schedule/"
Good eye. It's like that scene in Ironman 2 where Whiplash gets out of jail.
"The official story that it was a suicide could very well be true."
The sand for your head is over at CNN.
He's not dead.
57. Mark Stoval August 11, 2019 1:30 PM
Short of a direct revelation of God, I don't see how we will ever know for sure what happened.
while i acknowledge that this is probably sarcasm i will refute it.
we will KNOW that the "incompetence" is willful and intentional when no one is punished for allowing this to happen.
punishment doesn't disprove that it wasn't willful, because they can simply compensate the "punished" in other, less public ways.
but if they don't even bother to fire or reprimand someone over this, the outcome which happened was the outcome which was desired.
see: Waco and Ruby Ridge
If the body is cremated, Epstein live .
In my earlier days, I was a locksmith for three years. Our shop had a contract with the county jail in Jackson, MS. I would have to visit the jail every week or so, to service the locks on the cells. The inmates would stuff feces, toilet paper, and Lord knows what else into the locks to render them inoperable. One of my most important tools was STP Carburetor Cleaner to dose the hell out of the locks before I took them off the doors and disassembled them for cleaning. Anyway, these old locks did, indeed, have doorknobs on them.
However, I doubt very much any Federal facility would have doorknobs on them today.
@ Aurelius Gomez - he has no further use, he is dead. What talent does he bring? Wjy would they save him? He's dead
It's not the conspirators did this out of a sense of invulnerability, or a sense they cannot be touched.
I believe they killed Epstein because they believe this was the best choice out of all the other choices. Basically, Epstein had to die pretty much no matter what the cost.
They expect there will be flak and backlash, and they may lose tomorrow or the day after.
But with Epstein dead, they don't die today.
And I think they feel this gives them a little breathing room to continue to cover up and regroup ... use their power to win.
As a coach used to say, there is a point in a game where you must first eliminate losing BEFORE you can think about winning. Epstein has to go NOW or the game was lost. Now they'll worry about the way forward.
Playing to "not lose" rarely results in a victory.
Well...if the FBI is looking into it, they should first look for a conspiracy theory, since theories lead to violence. Will be hilarious for them to say "Nope, no conspiracy here folks".
Dirk: Basketball, the other team has the ball, 20 seconds left, tie game, shot clock off. Do you let the other team take the last shot or do you foul them to get the ball back so you can control the outcome?
Playing not to lose is something different. That's a mindset thing.
This is strategy.
New York has strong public worker unions. Don't expect any guards to be punished.
And don't expect the government psychologist/quack to be punished either. Psychology field is a joke. Although I do have some respect for the psychiatric drugs which help a lot of people.
@ BillHinDaytona
They reduced complexity for themselves
We played to "not lose" in Korea... and didn't win.
We played to "not lose" in Vietnam ... and lost.
The Confederate States played to "not lose".... and lost.
Are you seeing a pattern here?
There is a similarity between the legal actions against Jussie Smollet and Epstein.
Jussie Smollet and Epstein were prosecuted; the outcome of each rightly outraged people.
Smollet, Epstein and their supporters then probably thought that was it. Home free.
In the Smollet case, a retired judge who was not involved in the initial prosecution was able to reinstitute legal action against Smollett.
In Epstein's case, Cernovich who was not involved in the initial case against Epstein was able through the courts to get legal action started again against Epstein.
One takeaway I get from this parallel is that our side shouldn't have to rely on brilliant individuals using their own resources to achieve remarkable things. I said elsewhere that we need an anti-Soros and someone replied we do have one, Trump. But what I have in mind is someone with Soros money funding individuals and organizations that advance nationalism.
In that regard, the best anti-Soros is Putin. But he has little to no interest in looking out for the West.
Bill
"But with Epstein dead, they don't die today.
And I think they feel this gives them a little breathing room to continue to cover up and regroup ... use their power to win."
Nope, although some may think that way. Killing Epstein will not give them any "breathing room."
Epstein's procurer of tweens and teen girls, Ray Chandler is the bird that's been singing. She is the number one witness in these Pedo cases.
Epstein's death will speed up investigations as it is now easier to search Epstein's house and other holdings.
A careful analysis of the corpse ear, as well as other features, shows it IS Epstein on the gurney, angles and lighting differences aside. He could still be alive and in Guantanamo for all I know, but that is him on the gurney.
"But what I have in mind is someone with Soros money funding individuals and organizations that advance nationalism."
Soros never uses his own money, it's USA money being laundered to Soro through many, many corrupt sources His connections feed him the money and help him distribute the money to all the anti-Nationalist groups, and all the anti-Western Civilization groups.
That is not dead which can eternal (((lie))),
And with the passing eons even death may die.
"Will be hilarious for them to say "Nope, no conspiracy here folks".
Yeah it will especially after that "Russian conspiracy".
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Over and over again on Twitter...
"Good riddance to Epstein, who personified everything wrong with powerful white men"
"Actually he was Jewish"
"BLOCKED AND REPORTED for anti-semitism"
This
Seeingsights wrote:In Epstein's case, Cernovich who was not involved in the initial case against Epstein was able through the courts to get legal action started again against Epstein.
For f's sake.
Cernovitch had literally NOTHING WHATEVER IN ANY WAY to do with Epstein's arrest. Nothing, nada, nichts, zilch, nul, rien, nothing.
Got that?
Hell, Cernovitch had almost nothing to do with the court documents being unsealed. That was the Miami Herald. Cernovitch only asked for a small subset of what was opened because of the Herald petition.
Never mistake relentless, shameless self-promotion for truth.
Here is a very interesting video analysis of the boomer parent of one of Epstein's hundred victims.
"Advanced Narcissism Understanding - Lecture 05 - Baby Boomer Logic Destroys Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiiaElpkDR0
Background article from Nov 28, 2018: (Palm Beach, Florida November 2004 Jane Doe/Michelle Licata) https://www.miamiherald.com/Palm Beach, Florida
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I hope your Guantanamo theory is right. It seems a fitting end for a man who kidnapped girls and hid them away on a rape Island.
You forgot corruption. It is New York.
Dirk ManlyAugust 11, 2019 12:51 PM
Good point. The photo of the man on the gurney certainly does NOT show a man with the sallow skin tone of a man whose heart stopped beating more than a few seconds prior.
Are you saying that a person turns noticeably pale mere seconds after death?
Not in my experience.
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@ 76 Silent Draco:
This also has elements of "Charles Dexter Ward" - transferring consciousness into other bodies. Who knows what demonic rites went on. In "Providence", Alan Moore mentioned 'blue energy' which is released during certain sex rituals.
Here's a nice little paragraph, courtesy of Robert E Howard, that's apt:
from "The Scarlet Citadel" (1933) by Robert E Howard:
"Of this Khozian wizard dark tales were told; tousle-headed women in northern and western villages frightened children with his name, and rebellious slaves were brought to abased submission quicker than by the lash, with threat of being sold to him. Men said that he had a whole library of dark works bound in skin flayed from living human victims, and that in nameless pits below the hill whereon his palace sat, he trafficked with the powers of darkness, trading SCREAMING SLAVE GIRLS (emphasis mine) for unholy secrets. He was the real ruler of Koth."
Epstein lives because he is an agent. Epstein lives because the people in thst circle hzve to bdlieve no matter what you will be rescued. Many know as much as Epstein. They are not being kjlled. He is slive and well. He will be cremated for the masses so there is no body to dig up.
Hmmm, two of Epstein's long-time lawyers have hired lawyers?
https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1160645470051602432
@87
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Are you saying that a person turns noticeably pale mere seconds after death?
Not in my experience."
I'm saying that it was a matter of at least 10 minutes minimum between the time he would be "discovered" unconscious and being carted out of an ambulance into an emergency room.
More than a few seconds. I.e. not "a few seconds"... MORE THAN.
They had to kill Epstein so they could perform an autopsy!
After autopsy, cause of Jeffrey Epstein's death awaits 'further information'
#87, That is certainly what happened to my father, mere moments after his heart stopped beating. All the blood instantly drained away, and suddenly his face was ashen.
The Vox Day principle of conspiracy theory has legs. The one thing you can be sure of is that the official story is a Fake. Anything else is up for grabs.
Why is it a big deal that Epstein is dead. Clearlt the women knew whose knob they were shining....
Is she going to commit suicide too?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7347091/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-Robert-Maxwells-daughter-spill-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-secrets.html
Odd, a complete lack of evidence is a reason to not investigate further, to hold our fire and refuse to speculate.
A few weeks ago, a complete lack of evidence was the explicit reason to hire a special prosecutor, dig into every possible detail, and a fertile field for speculation as to exactly how Trump had committed treason and sold the country out to Vladimir Putin.
Strange that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDJJBMXiwiI
Well, in this case, we have some evidence. .. a man was taken out of the MMC and to the hospital, shortly before an announcement that Epstein committed suicide, and shortly AFTER an anonymous posting to 8chan said that Epstein had been switched with someone else..... BEFORE the public announcement.
That's a LOT of evidence beyond "I heard a rumor that Trump hired a prostitute to pee on his bed, because Obama slept there a long time ago."
Who was that man, and what is his actual health status?
@2 Whenever incompetence is claimed, something more nefarious is going on.
Crew wrote:Is she going to commit suicide too?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7347091/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-Robert-Maxwells-daughter-spill-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-secrets.html
Gamblers betting on Dead Pools would not get much payout on her if that title is accurate.
That being said, if she suddenly assumes room temperature in the near future then hold on to your butts! Things could likely explode at that point.
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@102
Epstein's butler, who apparently stole his little black book, just turned up dead, too.
Apparently of natural causes, though.
Rodriguez died at the age of 60 after suffering from mesothelioma last week, his widow Patricia Dunn told DailyMail.com.
https://newspunch.com/epsteins-butler-alfredo-rodriguez-who-stole-tell-all-black-book-dies-age-60/
Uh, yeah. Because mesothelioma kills so quickly.
I don't buy that for a second. Before mesothelioma kills you, you're practically bedridden for months, and that's AFTER a period of being ambulatory, but with too little strength and too little stamina to work for anybody doing anything. Patricia Dunn was told what words to mouth.
TontoBubbaGoldstein wrote:Borsabil wrote: The killing itself was hilariously incompetent.
Not so sure about that, Chief.
Epstein is deader than Hillary's POTUS chances...
Killed in Federal custody when even Paul Krugman could have accurately predicted it would be attempted...
No one has been arrested, fired or demoted...
Seems pretty competent to me.
Evaluating the competence is binary: do "they" get away with it, or do "they" not?
Sometimes the most brazen acts are the ones that allow perpetrators to skate. Michael Corleone killing the cop and one of the mob upstarts in the restaurant.
It certainly helps if you are powerfully connected.
Peter Grant, Castalia House author and former prison chaplain, also shares his knowledge of prison suicide watch protocol and why the official story is BS.
The main bad guys know if they had a hit done. And they know the good guys would witness protection. At the top, there is no subtrifuge. Which means if there is subtrifuge, it is for mass consumption. Because the people at the top have access to the truth. If the bottom has a lack of transparency, the people at the top are aware as to the disparity of access. It’s a mess, but it isn’t that big of a mess.
Having worked in corrections, if he'd been in the suicide watch unit (ours was called "Acute Mental Health), the only suicide option would have been biting his own tongue and bleeding out that way. Which, in our unit, he would have been checked every 15 minutes. Not much time to do it and conceal it from a trained Deputy.
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