All conservatives are cucks
In case I failed to make the point sufficiently clear in Cuckservative, former British Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader John Major has stepped in to clarify matters.
That, in a nutshell, is why I have always said that I am not a conservative.
And it is also why conservativism is an intrinsically non-Christian identity, for all its evangelical trappings in the USA.
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household."
- Matthew 10:34-36
Most Conservatives are not a Brexit Party tribute band, nor have we abandoned our core values to find compromise, seek allies, and strive for unity, rather than division and disarray. We abhor the language of division and hate - and words such as 'saboteur', 'traitor', 'enemy', 'surrender', 'betrayal' have no place in our party, our politics, nor in our society.Do you understand the significance of what he is saying there? Because he is inadvertently speaking the plain and simple truth. The core value of the conservative is the act of seeking compromise. The art of the conservative is practicing politics as conversation rather than as a form of war.
That, in a nutshell, is why I have always said that I am not a conservative.
And it is also why conservativism is an intrinsically non-Christian identity, for all its evangelical trappings in the USA.
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household."
- Matthew 10:34-36
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His whole career was one long cuck to the EU, and he only got the job in the first place because Thatcher thought she could use him as a handpuppet, but he was too weak even for that.
I am grateful every day for events such as Brexit and men such as Donald Trump, who effortlessly and relentlessly expose our true enemy. He is not in front of us, but behind us
"We abhor […] words such as 'traitor', 'enemy'"
So What.
It’s becoming obvious to even the laymen now that conservatives are cowardly losers that plan in advance to lose.
I hope this insight will be freeing to people who imagined that conservatism is good, and therefore they must be nice.
If you are not a cuck, you are no conservative. Praise God that you are not conservative, and set about destroying His enemies.
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So, when talking to conservatives, make your initial demand twice as much as you are willing to settle for. You will get what you want every time.
"This man is a racist Nazi KKK who should be stoned in the streets! What's that? You're only willing to grant that he was inexcusably rude and should merely be fired? Oh heavens, we didn't get our way! You are such a formidable opponent!"
"words such as 'saboteur', 'traitor', 'enemy', 'surrender', 'betrayal' have no place in our party, our politics, nor in our society."
Thanks for letting us know what words to use in our rethoric Mr. Major. It's like a soldier painting the gaps in his body armour with bright yellow flurecent paint. Look here is my weak spot guys, but lets have a fair fight...
So stupid.
xevious2030 wrote:"We abhor […] words such as 'traitor', 'enemy'"
So What.
So you abhor linguistic mirrors. So sad, too bad.
I am so happy that I found you as a young man Vox. If it wasn't for people like you and Owen breaking the wizard spells of cuckservatives, I don't know what I would have done. Probably would have just checked out of the whole thing out of frustration. Thankyou.
Major has always been a Cuck. He's the US equivalent of Bush-I. While PM, he abandoned every Thatcher position and gave the Left 50% of what they demanded, year after year. Except of course, on Taxes for the Rich. It led directly to Tony Blair. Now, he's back, stabbing BoJo in the back, and counseling defeat.
Major, the bankers' choice!
"So you abhor linguistic mirrors. So sad, too bad."
Exactly. And the "W" is capitalized, title, of a song by Ministry. Same sentiment.
The Brit newspapers, especially the Guardian are all a twitter over BoJo's language. Gee, just last week they were calling him a Nazi, Fascist, Racist. But now, when BoJo punches back, its "where's the civility"? But this sort of stuff always confuses me. Its so transparently dishonest and hypocritical, but they wouldn't do it, if there weren't' stupid people who fell for it. But who are they? Low information women?
He provides a handy list of words which he hates being called, because they are true. Hell isn't hot enough for some cucks.
Its evangelical trappings in the USA.
Fell for it. Keep shining the light, VD. How can evangelical Christians compromise with those who are in league with spiritual wickedness in high places?
"The Brit newspapers, especially the Guardian are all a twitter over BoJo's language. Gee, just last week they were calling him a Nazi, Fascist, Racist. But now, when BoJo punches back, its "where's the civility"? But this sort of stuff always confuses me. Its so transparently dishonest and hypocritical, but they wouldn't do it, if there weren't' stupid people who fell for it. But who are they? Low information women?"
Why does anyone still admit to being confused by this? This is a war, these verbal attacks are one of the ways they fight it. They aren't low information, hypocritical, or idiots. This is a fucking war, RC Ocean. A. FUCKING. WAR.
The only low information person here is you.
Boris Johnson's own brother and sister are being used against him. The Satanist fear the rhetoric, they can't abide it. So wonderful the truth of the bible and Aristotle is coming to plain sight.
"And it is also why conservativism is an intrinsically non-Christian identity, for all its evangelical trappings in the USA"
What's interesting about American Conservatism, at least over the past 40-50 years, is that this ideology is specifically connected to christianity and to evangelical Christianity in particular. This connection hasn't resulted in that much Christian-specific policy. Some abortion-related policy has succeeded, yet Roe remains the law. Religious freedom policy has advanced, but really very little in that same time. You couldn't identify any successful upward trajectory where Christian-endorsed policy is concerned.
The problem for the serious American Christian who wants its faith imposed upon policy is that they have no where else to go besides the GOP and its conservative disposition. There is no Christian party in the U.S. There isn't, in fact, much in the way of GOP candidates that lean on their Christianity as a campaign issue.
Christianity as a driving political motivation in American politics is over. There simply aren't enough Americans that take Christianity seriously enough to make the faith a consideration in politics.
Compromise is not a principle. It is a tool to use when appropriate to achieve a goal. If you treat the use of a tool as your goal, the only principles you are supporting are those of your enemies.
Conservatives who claim compromise is one of their principles are evil and/or retarded.
Yes, Mittens, we are looking at you.
Because evangelicals aren't Christian, and never have been.
Prove it. Prove it theologically using scripture that evangelicals were never Christian; prove their faith was never in Christ; do not use the words of someone clothed in scarlet and purple.
Today's evangelicals may have been led astray by a lack of knowledge and false pastors; but your "never" statement is egregious slander.
Stop this damned anti-Protestantism or no awake Christian will fight by your side because we will know what you Roman Catholics will do to us once you have the upper hand.
Low information women, low testosterone men, what's the difference? Their other pussies.
"We abhor the language of division and hate - and words such as 'saboteur', 'traitor', 'enemy', 'surrender', 'betrayal' have no place in our party"
To paraphrase Lincoln, or was it Shakespear: A thorn by any other name is still a thorn.
So true for most repubs-- like Romney, Ryan and others.
One can use compromise and allies to gain advantage. These people believe compromise means selling off your land piece by piece, eventually having to be comfortable living in the crawlspace of someone else's house.
I don't care about unity. Why should I? I don't live in Utopia, and neither do they. Used to be an Englishman's home was his castle. Let's all keep to our castles.
Caring about "hate" is merely giving into their terms. What's wrong with hate? Righteousness might require it.
Because evangelicals aren't Christian, and never have been.
You're off-topic. Zip it or be banned, RandyB.
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FrankUnderwood wrote:"words such as 'saboteur', 'traitor', 'enemy', 'surrender', 'betrayal' have no place in our party, our politics, nor in our society."
Thanks for letting us know what words to use in our rethoric Mr. Major. It's like a soldier painting the gaps in his body armour with bright yellow flurecent paint. Look here is my weak spot guys, but lets have a fair fight...
So stupid.
Yep, now we have the perfect descriptor:
'Conservative': The abhorrent saboteur, who becomes a traitor by his betrayal, forcing surrender to the enemy.
John Major and Mitt Romney sitting in a tree . . .
Mea culpa.
The only compromise between good and evil is half-evil, which is all evil. That is why the Hegelian dialectic is a nautilus shell, and Cthulhu always swims leftward.
Christianity as a driving political motivation in American politics is over. There simply aren't enough Americans that take Christianity seriously enough to make the faith a consideration in politics.
There is an ebb and flow to where politically organized Christians align themselves. For a number of years they alighned with Dems and the Klan to get their landmark Prohibition issue passed.
That one didn't do them any favors politically.
Today it is not that they prefer the right over the left. It is that the left is in itself a religion, and they won't abide any competition from that rascal Jesus other than to subvert his churches one by one.
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John Major, now there is a name that is an oxymoron if ever there was one.
Haha! “Unity”? What a pussy.
I can’t help read that in the sound of Rick James’ voice from the Dave Chapelle skit. “Unityyy” (face punch).
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Mystic On Main wrote:There simply aren't enough Americans that take Christianity seriously enough to make the faith a consideration in politics.
Well the Jews are something like 2% of the US population and they seem to have plenty of impact policy, just look up the anti-BDS laws. Just because you are a minority does not mean that you can't control policy. It does however mean that you probably have to do some shady stuff to aquire and maintain that control.
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I never compromise or try to curry favor with my adversaries or enemies.
I mock them, intimidate them and smack them down mercilessly until they are utterly disheartened or defeated.
They can cry and whine like little beeotches all they like.
IDGAF.
They had it coming.
A proper understanding of compromise is one of the things Ayn Rand actually got pretty much right.
Compromise
Compromise something you do with your allies to gain strength.
When you compromise with your enemies, you weaken yourself while strengthening your opponent.
@42 Sigh, Discus blows, but really wish I could edit my screwups like my bad anchor tag above
Compromise
All Americans are Christians, not all Christians are Americans.
Traitorous, Surrendering Betraying Enemies Hate Being Called That.
News at Eleven.
SciVo wrote:The only compromise between good and evil is half-evil, which is all evil. That is why the Hegelian dialectic is a nautilus shell, and Cthulhu always swims leftward.
Apologies for quoting myself. I just want to add, these things have been explained and re-explained so many times, it is infuriating to even have to reference a previous explanation. They should already know.
Argus Bacchus wrote:I mock them, intimidate them and smack them down mercilessly until they are utterly disheartened or defeated.
Whether or not the AD&D Bard originated the phrase of mocking mercilessly, I like to think that it popularized it and gave it cultural currency. Because I'm a nerd, and it's fun to think that a game I played also played a part in reminding us how to win.
Compromise is just kicking the can down the road til Ft Sumter is bombed. Hopefully the Great Compromisers will be dead by the time the war and desolation begin.
If you are never loyal to anybody anyway treason and betrayal are impossible automatically.
Evil is subjective to aliens.
Compservative is too dialectic. We'll have to stick with cuckservative.
You'd think the Cucks and Lefties would have used the U.K. Supreme Court to invalidate the Leave vote as unparlimentarIan. I suppose they need to learn how to invalidate elections from the Ninth Circuit.
What an effete, vapid, myopic, superficial, half-truthing, impotent little homuncular shit you are, Mystic on Main.
Respectable Conservatives (aka Cuckservatives) are indispensable to everything bad that happens to us. They change the subject from one the enemy cannot deal with to one that it can deal with.
When conservatives say they are "compromising", what they are really doing is "appeasing".
A true compromise would mean they received something in return. Instead, they give up a piece of the cake, in the hope that they can keep the rest, until ultimately there is no cake left.
We've seen this a hundred times in the RKBA fight.
I want my cake back.
The last time someone ran for President as leader of the "Christian Party", the Democrats and Republicans has them arrested, convicted of treason, and sentenced to decades in prison.
The guy was also a demon possessed science fiction writer who was as Christian as L. Ron Hubbard.
Someone want to start a Christian Nationalist party?
@37 Frank Underwood
It's these very same people who have been subverting Christianity for 2,000 years. You kind of answered your own question.
Interestingly they're all words that are still suspiciously acceptable to use against Boris and Nigel, let alone the GE.
They no doubt wish they could but it would immediately destroy the court's credibility.
I read and I understand. If compromising is your core value, then you have no other core values. I use to call myself a conservative back in the day, but stopped during the bush years, and I have never went back.
One thing I picked up watching Bill O'reilly, he claims to be a conservative, was that his positions seem to be based on whatever he thought the majority of Americans wanted, rather than what was best for America. Bottom line is the so called conservatives just want power, and nothing more. In that respect, they are no better than the libs.
So is saying he doesn't stand for anything that might make someone mad at him and will roll over at the cross word so he can bare his belly. Not acceptable leadership material.
rcocean wrote:just last week they were calling him a Nazi, Fascist, Racist. But now, when BoJo punches back, its "where's the civility"? But this sort of stuff always confuses me. Its so transparently dishonest and hypocritical
It's a case of "they cry out in pain as they kick you."
53. cecilhenry. That is a true.
The Tories are still full of his ilk which is why the thought of carrying out the will of the British people is so abhorrent to them. One failure after another when all you want to do is give up ground to your enemies because of "respect" and "good will".
Mr Major is the type who would apologise to his peoples firing squad for being unable to compromise more for them.
They wouldn't even bother to spit on his corpse.
Conservative leaders never were trying to help, it's just a case of red team - blue team; they work for the same master, but draw straws to see which role they play.
Christians did enact things, DOMA, which was ignored by Holder the Wretched, and the prop in Ca defining marriage between 1 man and 1 woman.
This language though, it's related to a line of contemplation that Owen got me thinking about, when he was giving lessons of how to imitate Bob Dylan. That was really funny, but he was saying the lyrics were Satanic, IIRC. I'm wondering if there's a contrast, a different structure between Christ's parables, and the deceiver's parables.
Christ taught parables that were plain enough if one desired to know their interpretation. Maybe the strange lyrics shouldn't be called a parable, but there seems to be a pattern to them. They start specific, them move to gibberish. A couple examples:
A song from the 70's
"The percentage you're paying is too high priced,
while you're living beyond all your means,
the man in the suit has just bought a new car,
from the profit he's made on your dreams.
But today you just swear that the man was shot dead,"
(So far so good, but now it switches)
"by a gun that didn't make any noise.
But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest,
was the low spark of high heel boys. High heel boys"
Another song:
"Blinded by the light"
(switches now)
wrapped up like a Deusen..."
.
What I'm wondering is if the deceiver leads one to mental ambiguity, to making your own interpretation. I never understood those lyrics, but assumed the hip people did, and that someday I would too. So it's make your own reality, or wait until clarity comes.
This conservative language is similar; it's vague. Just wait, we'll figure it out as time goes by. What threatens the conservative red team is that words like traitor move from ambiguous to specific.
My problem is that I obviously don't have a higher education, so if some philosopher dude talked about this centuries ago, well, thanks for bearing with me.
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Conservatives assume that the people they are dealing with are men of good will and good character, even though they might disagree on matters of policy and government. But nothing could be further from the truth. The Democrats have neither good will nor good character. Despite all the evidence the conservatives can't seem to learn that. The Democrats want their destruction plain and simple. Will the conservatives ever learn that? Probably not even when they being led off to reeducation camps.
He forgot to say the last line: "Because if those words did have a place in our party, politics, or society, everyone would realise they all apply to us."
"All Americans are Christians, not all Christians are Americans"
The corollary to this is "Not all Americans vote for Christian values".
"The last time someone ran for President as leader of the "Christian Party", the Democrats and Republicans has them arrested, convicted of treason, and sentenced to decades in prison."
In fairness, the guy was only on the ballot in Washington State and got less than 2,000 votes. And his conviction for treason happened well after running for President.
VD
Do you understand the significance of what he is saying there?
he is saying that he would much prefer that his nation be filled to the brim with 'saboteurs', 'traitors' and 'enemies'
...
rather than name them as such.
because HE is on the side of the 'saboteurs', 'traitors' and 'enemies'.
is anyone still confused about the significance of the decades long operation of the muslim pedophile rape gangs in Rotherham?
John Major PREFERS the muslim rape gangs to his own people. how DARE you use the language of division and hate?
@67
I think they generally do know, but are afraid to acknowledge and accept it because it means things probably gonna get really ugly IRL at some point. Playing dumb even to the point of self-deception lets them pretend otherwise, and whistle past the graveyard.
The Conservative Party couldn't even conserve the legal definitions of "men" and "women". Apart from the Thatcher interregnum, their entire history since WW2 has been one long and shameful cuck.
So I don't hold any great expectations for Boris Johnson. He's a metropolitan liberal, not an instinctive nationalist in the Trump or Salvini mold. If cucking became profitable for his political ambitions there's every chance he'd plop down on the David French patented watching stool.
To be fair to Boris though, so far he hasn't backed down. He's sticking to his word on Brexit, draining the swamp in his own party, and refusing to let hysterical women of either sex tone-police him into timidity. No wonder they're terrified of him - he fights!
And it's looking like his enemies have successfully closed off every path to victory for him except the one that involves full blown Brexit.
Much like Trump, he's feared and loathed by the establishment out of all sane proportions. I've never seen a PM as thoroughly demonised or viciously opposed by the entire institutional class - not even Thatcher when she went Full Roman on the miners' strike, or Blair when he lied us into a disastrous middle eastern war.
And all because he's trying to implement a referendum result that 80% or so of MP's solemnly promised to implement when they were elected in 2017, to take us out of what the clever people used to claim was merely a trade bloc that didn't have much relevance to domestic British concerns and only swivel-eyed loons obsessed over.
Brexit and President Trump have unmasked the globalist agenda in ways we never dreamed possible just three years ago. Events are accelerating towards an inflection point. Not in the VROOM, VROOM! sense of tired wingnat Mad Max inspired fantasy, but in a much more positive and creative way that could be the start of a true renaissance of the West.
Pretty lies about globalism and its migrant pets and its climate cult and its weird sex sacraments and baby-killing rituals have lost their appeal. Even children are openly mocking them now.
Politicians and talking heads are terrified of "incels" and cartoon frogs and OK symbols. There's a palpable air of desperation and dread in the MSM as they triple down on the Narrative, because they know they're losing.
Social tension is building, like tectonic plates mercilessly grinding against each other. All that energy needs to be released sooner or later.
I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord...
And the drum solo is gonna be epic, lads.
Conservatives assume that the people they are dealing with are men of good will and good character, even though they might disagree on matters of policy and government. But nothing could be further from the truth. The Democrats have neither good will nor good character.
It's not quite like that. Cucks state that you cannot know their intentions and read their minds, and that because of that, you have to be charitable and give them the benefit of the doubt. Casting judgment on progs as "evil" is sinful and makes YOU evil, ya see.
It's some kind of warped sense of morality.
What I've never understood is the power of this sense of morality. Normally, you'd expect a person to want to win a contest against an opponent. But the cuck sense of morality somehow manages to supersede and strangle it.
It's really quite mind-boggling.
For those not consciously on the other side, it's as simple as pride. The left might get some mileage out of gift lapel pins that recognize the superior understanding and sophistication of outstanding conservatives. Not available to anyone on the left, or haters on the right, this pin is meritorious of those capable of reaching across the aisle for the benefit of all. Wear it with pride!
The UK secretary of state for justice Robert Buckland blocked a ban on dog and cat meat a few days ago because it is «culturally insensitive». And yes he is a member of the conservative party.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/09/23/politically-correct-uk-govt-blocks-culturally-insensitive-ban-cat-dog-meat/amp/
VFM #7634 wrote:What I've never understood is the power of this sense of morality. Normally, you'd expect a person to want to win a contest against an opponent. But the cuck sense of morality somehow manages to supersede and strangle it.
It doesn't make sense why a cuck would want some stranger to fornicate with his wife, either.
They're broken and we can't tolerate them setting the direction. That's all we need to know.
Well, use the time to acquire an industrial base for our side. Those attack drones won't build themselves.
What I'm wondering is if the deceiver leads one to mental ambiguity, to making your own interpretation.
Of course. Think of an elf, bound by nature to always tell the truth. But he hates the truth and will always deceive you, using simple ambiguity, and telling himself that it's your own fault if you deceived yourself with a false interpretation.
This trope did not come out of nowhere. Satanists are stereotypically like that.
Reminds me of that line in Braveheart where Robert the Bruce’s father says”it is a man’s ability to compromise that makes him noble”.....As Longshanks slaughtered his fellow Scotsman. We need a William Wallace.
And then don't forget that the Elder Bruce was the one who sold out Wallace. How fitting. Mel knows.
Limbaugh mentioned that we are in a "Cold Civil War" today, and that is rare. The more The Gatekeepers have to acknowledge, the more force they must hold back. However, I will never under estimate the ignorance and intellectual laziness of The Cucked.
The corollary to this is "Not all Americans vote for Christian values".
Nobody ever votes for Christian values. The best anyone ever votes for is a flawed man who hopefully won't help the state persecute Christian values.
Peter Hitchens was right. Conservative voters should have destroyed the Tories by abstaining from voting for them at thrift weakest. They aren't conservative.
"Nobody ever votes for Christian values. The best anyone ever votes for is a flawed man who hopefully won't help the state persecute Christian values."
Again who is this Nobody? The only way to have Christian Values in the modern world is the #Vanlife.
@84 Peter Hitchens is a wall keeper. Gatekeepers stop people getting through the gate to the other side of the wall, once they have broken through the gate Peter Hitchens shoots them in the back like a sniper on top of the wall. Peter Hitchens is a conservative, he openly says he 'was' a Trotskyite so knows how bad the Labour and Conservative parties area. However never does anything, and demoralizes anyone who even thinks of doing anything.
Royalism/Cavalierism/High Toryism/Toryism/Conservatism.
Corruption. Subversion. Inversion. Taxidermy.
Puritanism/Digger-Leveler/Whiggery/Liberalism/Democratic-Socialism.
@54
"We've seen this a hundred times in the RKBA fight.
I want my cake back."
This is why I have such contempt for the people who get all upset about a bump-stock (ammo-waster) ban, but don't make the slightest peep about the automatic weapons provision of the Firearm Owners Protection Act [no sale of ANY full-auto or select-fire weapon owned by a corporation to an individual, only to other corporations. Every time a privately owned machine-gun is sold to a corporation, the number remaining for individuals drops, as no firearms manufacturers can sell to an individual now as they are all corporations. Likewise most gun shops cannot sell a machine gun to an individual, as most of them, for liability reasons, are corporations], the 1968 "Gun Control Act" and the 1938 Federal Firearms Act (which puts a $300 transfer tax on every sale of a machine gun. Not to cover the cost of anything -- but solely to deter sales to anybody whom $300 would be a significant chunk of money (back then, $300 was equivalent to about $6000-$10000 at today's value of a dollar), as that was the price of a 2-bedroom house.
@59
"One thing I picked up watching Bill O'reilly, he claims to be a conservative, was that his positions seem to be based on whatever he thought the majority of Americans wanted, rather than what was best for America."
Not even that. O'Reilly just advocates a solution that's half way between the two positions. If the "conservative position" is rational and optimal, O'Reilly will still advocate going half-way to the loony left position...for... who knows what reason. EVEN IF THE MAJORITY doesn't want any change in the law or policy at all.
What the majority of America wants doesn't even enter into O'Reilly's thinking at all. The bandwagon is a fallacy for decision-making anyway.
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@65
"Blinded by the light"
(switches now)
wrapped up like a Deusen..."
The lyric is "revved up like a deuce"
As in the Beach Boys' song, "Little Deuce Coupe" which is about a 1932 Ford Coupe. A lot of Ford products from that era were turned into hot rods, especially out in California, where several manufacturers specialized in manufacturing parts to upgrade old engines (such as heads and kit to convert L-head engines (with valves on the bottoms of a "side" combustion chamber) into an engines with overhead valves with each valve operated by a push-rod and rockers using the same through-holes as the original valves.) Most of this was started by WW2 GIs who had been trained as truck, tank, and aircraft engine mechanics, who had years of wartime pay built up and old pre-war cars with L-head engines.
Or could also refer to a well known engine of the time, the Chevy 402 cubic inch V-8, which was common in hot rods.
Cons are the stooges who pretend to have power so they can be accused of abusing that power so they can sell us out to be abused by the original accusers. Ain't conservatism grand?
@82
"Limbaugh mentioned that we are in a "Cold Civil War" today, and that is rare"
And in agreement is Tim Pool, a youtuber (timcast), who refers to himself as a Chicago Democrat... but lately, all of his videos are about how screwed up the Democrats are, how stupid they are for attacking Trump, and how masterful Trump is at governing. His only complaint with Trump is that he still has leakers in his administration (citing a news article, in which a leaker leaks the current anti-leaking policies). On the other hand, he says all of the leaking amounts to nothing more than gossip, so it means little.
Strong stuff dude. Good luck from argentina
@92 Ah, finally somebody has a sensible explanation. Back in the day, listeners thought it was something about douche, and would derisively joke around about it. I wondered for a long time, then I heard a radio discussion saying it probably was about a Deusenberg car.
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