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Sunday, September 29, 2019

Bowties on the historical battlefield

Conservatives have always been spineless and without principle:

It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation.

What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted?

Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always, when about to enter a protest, very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance. The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy from having nothing to whip.

No doubt, after a few years, when women’s suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position.
- Robert Lewis Dabney, 1871

Whenever someone is issuing dire warnings about how the Left will not like the consequences of their latest political monstrosity, you can be sure that a conservative is speaking, just as you can be certain that he will furiously denounce and disavow anyone who actually attempts to deliver those consequences.

58 comments:

  1. 1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

    2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

    3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

    4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

    5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

    6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

    7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

    8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

    9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

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  2. " It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always, when about to enter a protest, very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance."

    Sorry for the long copy and paste- but wow. That could have been written this morning.
    Thank You. An historical example of just what conservatism has been through the last 150 years is just what I have been wishing for. I have family that desperately need this type of example, and clarity of thought.

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  3. Is it not in the end about people? Sure there is propaganda, there are many kind of ways to pressure people to accept things, normalizing abhorrent in long enough time chunk.
    But in the end it is about people - people change and it is inevitable, after all they are not stone statues and it is much more easy to change for worse then for better.

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  4. For America Conservatives, e.g. Rod Dreher, there is no such thing as a hill to die on, or even be inconvenienced on....Dreher recently called for Trump's impeachment, whether or not he is guilty of the Dems charges...

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  5. "It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation."

    In other words, it's all the fault of the Damned Yankees!

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  6. O/T slightly, excellent article on the plot to derail Brexit without allowing any elections or democracy...https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-numbers-game-coup-stop-johnson-and-brexit

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  7. Hammerli 280 wrote:In other words, it's all the fault of the Damned Yankees!

    There's plenty of blame for people who wouldn't pick their own damn cotton, too.

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    1. We had them under control till the Yankees and immigrants stuck their noses where they didn't belong.

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    2. By "under control," do you mean "intending to expand their population accross the entire continent?"

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  8. Votes for AIs would be the final victory for the technocratic left, and I'm convinced it's why Bill Gates is in favour of taxing robots.

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  9. yeah, i had that whole Dabney piece posted up. it was not merely brutal in it's evaluation of 'conservatives', it is remarkable in his foresight and predictions of the coming society.

    about the only part of the current societal degeneration that he missed was the transgender movement. which, given that they didn't even have effective antibiotics in the 1800s, he can be forgiven for not predicting.

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  10. " ... just as you can be certain that he will furiously denounce and disavow anyone who actually attempts to deliver those consequences."

    Cons save their energy for attacks on fellow conservatives who step out of line. Anyone who has criticized Reagan, Bush, or Trump, or questioned the Holycaust™, in the presence of conservatives has experienced this.

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  11. "American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted?"

    What a gem, so spot on.

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  12. The shadow analogy is apt. Much more descriptive than "standing athwart History." They never stand athwart anything. At best, they are enablers who curb a bit off the extreme end of leftist appetite.

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  13. There will be peace in OUR lifetime....

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  14. Conservatives "stand athwart History"and rage like the corner lunatic. Never taking action. Bowing to the inevitable ratchet effect, never trying to reverse it... for 158 years.

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  15. Dabney was Stonewall Jackson's Chief Of Staff. It has been a long time since I read R. L. Dabney, who, BTW, also was prescient about government schooling.

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  16. Like the leopard with his spots and the scorpion with his base nature, the conservative cannot shed his bowtie. And he has always had that bowtie, it is his defining characteristic.

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  17. here is the full article in original magazine, do a Ctrl+F search for "Women's Rights Women".

    https://archive.org/stream/southernmagazine08balt/southernmagazine08balt_djvu.txt

    i did a manual transcription of this article back when it was still all pdf scans:

    https://furorkektonicus.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-trenchant-rl-dabney.html

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  18. Discussions of Robert Lewis Dabney volume 3
    https://archive.org/details/DiscussionsOfRobertLewisDabneyVol.3Philosophical

    But nearly all public men and divines declare that the State schools are the glory of America, that they are a finality, and in no event to be surrendered. And we have seen that their complete secularization is logically inevitable. Christians must prepare themselves then, for the following results: All prayers, catechisms, and Bibles will ultimately be driven out of the schools . . . Humanity always finds out, sooner or later, that it cannot get on without a religion, and it will take a false one in preference to none. Infidelity and practical ungodliness will become increasingly prevalent among Protestant youth, and our churches will have a more arduous contest for growth if not for existence.
    https://archive.org/details/DiscussionsOfRobertLewisDabneyVol.3Philosophical/page/n289).


    Dabney is definitely worth reading.

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  19. Can't believe I never heard of this guy. I blame public schools.

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    1. and if you did learn of him at all, he would have been presented as an evil, racist, slave supporting bigoted white supremacist (with a side order of misogyny, homophobia, and proto-Fascism ;)).

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  20. Dabney was extremely prescient...bringing much of what he noticed to its logical conclusion.
    He even predicted "Diversity + Proximity = War ". , almost spelling it out that succinctly.
    He writes ".....can prevent that instinctive antipathy of race, which, history shows, always arises between opposite races in proximity"

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  21. Dabney has been one of the most vilified characters of 19th Century American history, because he chose the wrong side during the War Between the States, he wrote a book defending (in principle) the idea that slavery had a certain legitimacy (i.e., had to follow Biblical norms), for blaming the North for importing slaves while criticizing the South for owning them, and (as this quote here demonstrates) for foreseeing a lot of the radicalism that was to come (I guess this one Bible lawyer, since he was a Presbyterian minister and theologian, had some validity to him? ;)).

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  22. Conservatism is the coefficient of friction against progressive forces. Worthless if you want to go anywhere except ultimately where the progressives are headed.

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  23. Vox probably crashed out so he can wake up and watch the Vikings - Bears game, and hopefully both lose.

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  24. Conservatives exist to conserve the political victories of the prior generation's liberals.

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  25. When I first started to read this I seriously thought is was a quote from "Cuckservative".

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    1. True, the writer sounds like a preincarnation of Vox.

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  26. One great piece of rhetoric I heard form Dave Smith on the topic was " Conservatives are Progressives going the speed limit" apparently that's been known much longer then I anticipated

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  27. @30
    I think it was Bob Dole that said something along the lines of, liberals want to grow the government going at 70MPH, conservaties at 50MPH.

    Read what conservatives were against during FDR and see how many of those issues conservatives oppose today, hence, my constant refrain that conservatives are the liberals of 35 years ago.

    G.K. Cheserton also had conservatism pegged.

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  28. Any time something is dated to 1871 I can't help but notice. It must have been a very big year to the globalists.

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  29. So much for a government of laws and not men. If those are the "men" in government, no wonder Law and law get discarded on favor of fancy bowties.

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  30. @8 Ominous Cowherd

    There's plenty of blame for people who wouldn't pick their own damn cotton, too.

    Typical damn Yankee response, historically ignorant, but still makes an commitment. You do realize the Union had four slave states? Nah, I doubt it.

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  31. furor kek tonicus ( that one UFC fan Owen keeps around so you can't accuse him of homophobia ) wrote:i did a manual transcription of this article back when it was still all pdf scans:


    Thanks bob. That was yeoman's work. I for one appreciate it.

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  32. There's plenty of blame for people who wouldn't pick their own damn cotton, too.
    A. The Dutch and Spanish brought them.
    B. We at least had send them back laws on the books and didn't just free a bunch of tribal half wits without considering consequences.

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  33. I used to think we needed less democrats to repeal the 19th. But it looks like the conservatives are just as bad if not worse!

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  34. Nate73 wrote:I used to think we needed less democrats to repeal the 19th. But it looks like the conservatives are just as bad if not worse!
    Find me a single Conservative that would vote to do so. I'll wait.

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  35. Such an awesome quote. And so true. Conservatism is just 5 years behind progressivism, in what it will support politically. Once you notice this, you can't stop seeing it.

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  36. I was trying to find a half-remembered quote by Lord Salisbury & instead found this one that appears appropriate:

    "...the central doctrine of Conservatism, that it is better to endure almost any political evil than to risk a breach of the historic continuity of government."

    This is the one I was actually looking for, though I misremembered it. Replace "English" with "Conservative" and it seems depressingly accurate WRT conservative opposition towards "progress":

    "English policy is to float lazily downstream, occasionally putting out a diplomatic boat-hook to avoid collisions."

    He had some good insights as regards equality, trusting experts and such though.

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  37. Conservatism is the art and practice of slitting one's own throat to drown the enemy in one's own blood.

    Feckless and impotent are adjectives created expressly to describe the conservative movement.

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  38. @36, this isn't about Southrons and Damnyankees, this is about to people paying Jews to import Africans. Doesn't matter who did it, the Africans are here because somebody wouldn't pick his own cotton. This is a lesson we all need to pass on to our posterity: pick your own cotton!

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  39. In 2150, the left will be passing a law, oops, I mean arguing a Supreme Court case, that the 14th Amendment requires the Court make up an impromptu law criminalizing men's failure to get an erection when observing the gay cross-dressing trans-dancer pop out of his child's gov't-ordered birthday cake (which has also been deemed a 14th Amendment Constitutional right).

    Conservatives will be like: "We all know it's a civil right for all children to have a gay cross-dressing trans pop out of their birthday cakes, but we're crossing a line when we force the fathers to get an erection over it."

    For the sake of humanity's future, conservatism can't die fast enough.

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  40. A fair cop. Tilting at windmills was optimistic. There is no saving the word "conservative".

    Nationalist will have to do, even if my nation is more of a memory than a reality.

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  41. Expedience is the word for it.
    Less than 1% can even understand the British pick n mix constitution.

    Recently some barristers were trying to tell me that the constitution was all about "human rights" (invented 5 minutes ago).

    The best way to view it is as a series of unfortunate events where people sought to limit the power of the crown.

    We are indeed the mother of parliaments.

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  42. Speaking of bowties and battles, Trump's comments on civil war have a lot of bowties ruffled.

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  43. The problem is that the words "Nationalist" and "Nationalism" are toxic in the Anglo-sphere nations.You won't get many normies joining any moment using those words explicitly. Better to keep the word "conservative" and be nationalists in thought and deed.

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  44. Excellent Vox, absolutely brilliant.

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  45. *shhhhh*

    be careful to only say "bob" backwards, i don't want to tip off the Googfags that i've got an alt.

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  46. furor kek tonicus ( that one UFC fan Owen keeps around so you can't accuse him of homophobia ) wrote:i don't want to tip off the Googfags that i've got an alt
    It'll be an ilk secret.

    Thad Tuiol wrote:The problem is that the words "Nationalist" and "Nationalism" are toxic in the Anglo-sphere nations.You won't get many normies joining any moment using those words explicitly. Better to keep the word "conservative" and be nationalists in thought and deed.
    Fuck you. Conservatives are worthless. Everyone knows it, including Conservatives.
    They don't want to be associated with us, and I certainly don't want to be associated with them. They have no brand worth bothering to take away, and no platform any self-respecting man could support.
    Nationalist is not tainted, and even White nationalism is losing the narrative imposed on them. Haven't you noticed they never call them White Nationalists any more, only White Supremacists?

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  47. "All conservatism is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are. But you do not. If you leave a thing alone you leave it to a torrent of change." G.K. Chesterton
    Conservatives are "do nothings". They make noise sometimes, but that's about it.

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  48. Conservatism is a refuge for cowards. A tool of the enemy to suppress the resistance of good men.

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  49. Conservatism is the art and practice of slitting one's own throat to drown the enemy in one's own blood.

    O.m.g.

    I know this is about politics, but holy crap if that's not what the conservative branch of the Episcopal church did in nominating that awful Katherine the Heretic as presiding bishop.

    They thought they were being clever and in effect, that church is now the walking dead.

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  50. So I keep getting emails from PJ Media over the last decade, despite having no interest and asking them to stop. Still, I suppose it's offers insight into a long-dead (and useless even then) past, like a stuffed wooly mammoth in a diorama or something.

    Actual headline: Mukasey Op-ed Should Strike Fear in Democrats, written by Roger L. Simon.

    And he's serious, even though it sounds like a snarky comment from Ace's or VD's site.

    Democrats don't fear the Rule of Law or the Court of Public Opinion -- they're going to give a crap about some freakin' op-ed? The mind boggles...

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