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Saturday, September 07, 2019

Just the first step

Marvel is deeply committed to giving you more of what you don't want:
Marvel Studios executive producer Trinh Tran recently commented about Marvel’s Phase 4 and beyond plans noting “this is the first step to more diverse characters and franchises.”

Tran spoke with Inverse shortly after San Diego Comic-Con to discuss Phase 4 and its “visibility of women and superheroes of color.”

Tran stated, “Female representation, the diversity of it all, is very important because this is the world we live in.” She added, “There’s so many different people out there and in order for us to relate to them, we have to make movies that are different. We can’t always be about one race or gender. That’s not the way to connect with the world.”

Tran would then go on to explain she’s excited about the upcoming Black Widow and Shang-Chi film before noting these Phase 4 films are just the first step for Marvel Studios.

“This is the first step to more diverse characters and franchises. I am hoping for more down the line. We have so many characters in the Marvel Universe, it’s a matter of picking which one makes sense to the MCU.”

She adds:

“In thinking about the future of the MCU and how all those characters are gonna connect, diversity is crucial in our future.”

Tran then states, “I think we’re heading towards the right direction. Ten years ago when we started making these movies, you probably don’t see much of that.”
Arkhaven is going in precisely the opposite direction. Time will tell which was the right choice.

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59 Comments:

Blogger Dave Dave September 07, 2019 9:18 PM  

The new characters may be superficially diverse, but everyone sees it's the same character 25 times with a different face.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len September 07, 2019 9:21 PM  

Is Tran a tranny?

Blogger Ken Prescott September 07, 2019 9:23 PM  

Black Widow would've been great if they'd gone into the depths of the Cold War.

Imagine James Jesus Angleton wondering if HE is the mole...

Blogger Matt September 07, 2019 9:30 PM  

"Ten years ago when we started making these movies, you probably don’t see much of that.”

Which is why the first bunch of movies were decent and now it's getting worse.

I'm predicting these Marvel movies will now be on a downward trend.

Blogger flyingtiger September 07, 2019 9:35 PM  

Jeanette Khan ran DC comics for 25 years. She saved it and improved it. Another woman editor made Xmen into the powerhouse that they are now. These SJWs do not know anything and are useless.

Blogger JAG September 07, 2019 9:38 PM  

Dave Dave wrote:The new characters may be superficially diverse, but everyone sees it's the same character 25 times with a different face.

Yep. It's just one character: Super Justice Warrior!

Able to morph into anything other than a White, heterosexual, right-of-center male.

Blogger David Craig September 07, 2019 9:40 PM  

I'm deeply committed to not giving them my time and money. I've spent more on Arkhaven in the last 6 months than the last 6 years on Marvel et al, and I'm all the richer for it.

Blogger tublecane September 07, 2019 9:46 PM  

"this is the first step to more diverse characters and franchises"


Not counting the steps they've already taken. How many firsts will they embark upon, I wonder. Is there a limit?

Blogger Wario's Mart September 07, 2019 9:57 PM  

Hard to fathom how far they can take the blackwashing and gaywashing.

Blogger MATT September 07, 2019 10:06 PM  

Why is a vietnamese person named Tranny Tran working at Marvel Studios

Blogger MATT September 07, 2019 10:07 PM  

They'll have Black Panther and (newly gay) Iceman washing each other.

Blogger Up from the pond September 07, 2019 10:08 PM  

Theirs is like the attitude of an unworthy winner of a lottery. "I'm gonna spend the money on painting elephants' ears purple, all over the world. Because it's the right thing to do."

What happens when the money runs out?

Blogger Unknownsailor September 07, 2019 10:11 PM  

Marvel MCU is going to be sold in a decade with AOL type losses. Marvel seems bound and determined to emulate their failing comic line all the way down to the bedrock.

Endgame trully was the pinnacle of the series, and the decline will be rapid, breathtaking, and undeniable (read: movie going audience does not buy tickets).

Disney will again have killed yet another money printing machine, after the dismal sales of RoS puts a cherry on top of their total debasement of everything that is Star Wars.

Blogger Supersijy September 07, 2019 10:18 PM  

Probably why the Devil Mouse sabotaged their Spiderman deal with Sony.

Blogger Unknown September 07, 2019 10:19 PM  

I know Vox doesn't get very excited about anything...MA would be proud, but talk about hitting a grand slam. Congrats Vox. I'm very much enjoying Alt Hero, Avalon, and Q. Can't wait for more.

Blogger Doug Cranmer September 07, 2019 10:26 PM  

"What happens when the money runs out?"

That's going to be a big part od what defines this century, among what else is discussed here.

Blogger Jon Jackson September 07, 2019 10:39 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:Theirs is like the attitude of an unworthy winner of a lottery. "I'm gonna spend the money on painting elephants' ears purple, all over the world. Because it's the right thing to do."

What happens when the money runs out?


Why, they go somewhere else of course. What did you think immigration was about?

Blogger The Deuce September 07, 2019 10:45 PM  

"Ten years ago when we started making these movies, you probably don’t see much of that."

What does she mean "we"? Disney didn't even own the franchise back then.

Blogger Max September 07, 2019 10:53 PM  

They don't seem to get that comic books (in the days of building the universes and fanbases) didn't "end." It just goes on and on and on with more crossovers and nonsense. Introduce new heroes, sure, but killing off your successful characters/actors/writers ect. is a recipe for failure. The beauty of Marvel/DC is that it's a timeless world that expands infinitely. They just don't get it. The Sandman books are probably my favorite example of how you can entitely re-imagine the genre and DC universe specifically, bring in all kinds of new lore and elements of mythology, and not lose anything from the past. Gaiman actually dregged all sorts of B and C list heroes from failed Marvel books and crammed them into a series with an adult horror tone, because why not? But he is a huge comic geek and loves the minutiae and the cross-references so he was able to do some of the best work ever despite being a meh writer. The MCU crew don't have that love and are bound to pervert their creations even if they have talent to use. A few years ago I would have been excited to see SJ finally get her Black Widow movie, now I'm just hoping I can manage to ignore it!

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 07, 2019 10:56 PM  

We need ham planet Black Widow so men will finally realize lard rolls are sexy. It's the right thing to do.

Blogger Dave Dave September 07, 2019 11:05 PM  

@19. I will admit that I haven't read many comics. I was very impressed by the Knightfall Saga which Chuck Dixon wrote. Alan Moore is interesting, but not much more than that. Watchmen is one of the most inventive ideas but a lot of the characters are a nuisance. I liked The Comedian the most. V for Vendetta was another interesting idea, but the two plotlines didn't mesh well. The Killing Joke was edge porn and only received praise for the good artwork and the shock factor.
Of the Marvel comics I've read, I've hated them all. They're hopeless. Spiderman is impossible to read because the chronology is split between 15 different magazines and when you read the relevant chapter in X-Men, you still have no clue what the hell was happening in the X-Men arc. It's a mess. I dislike crossovers and interlinking stories in the way that Marvel does them.
I'm happy sticking to manga where it's one story told from start to finish. There are plenty of series that go on forever, but they're usually the least interesting of the bunch. There's a lot more talent in the smaller and shorter manga series than you'll ever find in the big comics in the West. The Japanese attention to detail and work ethic cannot be beaten.

Blogger Crew September 07, 2019 11:15 PM  

There is so much rubbish that PedoWood has produced during the last 30 or so years I am looking forward to something wholesome like Rebel's Run.

I would also love to see more Science Fiction that does not have women doing things women don't do like Rocket Surgery etc ... and taking down big strapping men.

Blogger BillHinDaytona September 08, 2019 12:14 AM  

The problem Marvel will face is storytelling. No one likes to be preached to, unless they're at church. And once you allow that kind of preachiness to infect your plotting and character development, there's no end to it.

Blogger Ingot9455 September 08, 2019 12:42 AM  

Shang-Chi is one of those properties that it really takes skill to screw up.

I mean, how badly can you make a kung-fu movie?

If it goes too far wrong you call Quentin Tarantino to fix it for you.

Blogger Redbeard September 08, 2019 1:28 AM  

Can we just rename the "people of color" to what it actually is "people of brown color"

Blogger Garuna September 08, 2019 1:34 AM  

Ike Perlmutter may be the most underappreciated figure involved with the MCU.

He controlled the franchise until around 2014. The year of Captain America: Winter Soldier and Guardians Of The Galaxy, i.e. the last time the franchise was consistently good in quality.

He's notorious for being a penny-pinching businessman, a "racist", a "sexist", and a hardcore Trump supporter.

After Disney snatched control away from him, the quality of the films became inconsistent, the budgets bloated, and the social justice started creeping in.

While he wasn't a committed anti-SJW as black Heimdall was allowed, you can be certain that we'd never see the extreme levels of SJW defiling we're seeing and going to see now. When this social justice bullshit sinks the MCU, it'll have happened because Perlmutter wasn't in charge anymore.

Blogger Garuna September 08, 2019 1:35 AM  

Can we just rename the "people of color" to what it actually is "people of brown color"

Yellow isn't brown.

Blogger FrankNorman September 08, 2019 1:52 AM  

Someone with a Vietnamese surname doesn't "get" the old culture of Marvel Comics?
Surprise, surprise.

And that's assuming that the cultural destruction isn't intentional.

Blogger great_o'rety September 08, 2019 4:55 AM  

Don't Call Me Len wrote:Is Tran a tranny?
Is the sun bright?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2019 5:47 AM  

One of my maxims is, "Even knowing how it ends, if you have a great story people will listen to it again and again."

Recently, I had a chance to see the first Avengers movie again. It had been a while and I remember both looking forward to it and really liking it.

But I didn't have any interest in watching it this time. That story is over and it's just not a great one.

Mostly because it had a wet fire cracker of an ending.

Now I admit, it would have taken balls of titanium to let the end of Infinity War stand but if they had left that result in place instead of turning back the clock they could have had a great story.

Avengers Endgame will be remembered as Marvel's "Bobby in the Shower," moment.

Blogger Brett baker September 08, 2019 6:14 AM  

We all know THAT'S what is meant by more roles for women; more roles for unattractive women.

Blogger Brett baker September 08, 2019 6:16 AM  

Women can take down big strapping men, if they use one of Nate's pink Glocks.

Blogger Brett baker September 08, 2019 6:18 AM  

Can't someone admit "Persons of Color" means Chinese actors?

Blogger Blastmaster September 08, 2019 7:07 AM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2019 7:08 AM  

Are any of these "diverse characters" nationalists? Might as well use their billions worth of Fed Bux against them.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 08, 2019 7:17 AM  

Can we just rename the "people of color" to what it actually is "people of brown color"

I think "UGLY people of color" is the goal. It's just that blacks serve that purpose most easily.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis September 08, 2019 8:37 AM  

Interesting, because most of the women I know enjoy seeing manly, masculine, non-PC male characters in films and TV shows. Hollywood is not only deaf, but blind and retarded.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2019 8:52 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Are any of these "diverse characters" nationalists? Might as well use their billions worth of Fed Bux against them.

Intriguing idea.

Anti-Black Panther character who is suddenly super powered over night and uses that to close the borders of his county because it has suffered under the yoke of Foreign Aid long enough.

Iron Simba: We have been the slaves of White Charity long enough! Our farmers can not make a living because they can not compete with free food. We can not build our own roads because the Chinese build and maintain them for us and then OWN as slaves us afterward. The United Nations high commissioners are a plague unlike anything we have ever endured! We are forced to take loans that we can never repay and the brightest our children are harvested like wheat and taken to America. We are made beggars in our own homes and they demand we love them for this.

Enough! We Kawandans shall find our own way without the curse of outside help. Our borders are now closed to the outside world!

CNN Reporter: There is a major humanitarian crisis developing in the small African country of Kwanda. A terrorist calling himself Iron Simba, the leader of an extremist nationalist movement, has overthrown the lawfully elected government of the popular and widely admired President For Life, Grand Field Marshall Matumba. Iron Simba has illegally seized all foreign aid for himself. As a result wide spread starvation within the country is expected by all reputable experts because science.

With us now Doctor Prout of the United Nations. Doctor Prout thank you for joining us.

Sydney Prout: A delight as always Monica. Yes, the urgent question of military intervention in Kwanda is now before us and while I would normally loath such actions, there comes a time that...

Blogger Gettimothy September 08, 2019 9:12 AM  

I hope they end include overtly Jewish super heroes and villains.

Now what to name them...

Blogger JG September 08, 2019 9:27 AM  

My investment in Rebel's Run is looking better as each day passes and DC/Marvel double down on the stupid.

Blogger matveidaniilovich September 08, 2019 9:37 AM  

Just read an article by an SJW saying that marvel should be boycotted because Perlmutter gives money to Trumps campaign. Marvel just can’t please anyone these days.

Blogger Chris Ritchie September 08, 2019 10:02 AM  

You know, I understand that perhaps they want stories where people of their own culture and race are represented. Let them have their stories. But without simultaneously tearing down the previous stories (and statues and monuments) of people not from their culture.

It really is war. They are tearing down Western Civilization from within with weaponized language. Normally, cultural history isn't destroyed until after a people have been thoroughly subjugated.

Oh wait!

Blogger Chris Ritchie September 08, 2019 10:04 AM  

Hmmm. A different color character doing things it seems only Europeans did. Isn't that cultural appropriation? But I guess it's ok when THEY do it.

Blogger Sam September 08, 2019 10:22 AM  

@39
There are already plenty. Magneto and Spiderman are obvious, Harley Quinn is heavily implied (psychiatrist from Not-New York).

Blogger JohnofAustria September 08, 2019 10:34 AM  

That's literally what killed their comics lines though. I'm laughing darkly.

Blogger Crew September 08, 2019 11:02 AM  

I would also love to see more Science Fiction that does not have women doing things women don't do like Rocket Surgery etc ... and taking down big strapping men.

Unfortunately, the majority of Americans does not read Science Fiction and probably doesn't even read books that much.

Which is why movies like Rebel's Run and other forms of culture are more important in wining the culture war.

Blogger justaguy September 08, 2019 11:43 AM  

Movies- whether theater, DVD, or streaming is still adjusting to the streaming revolution. Right now there are several companies trying to get into the market of visual entertainment. The market has split into many parts, some overlapping as the cost of entry has lowered and the availability of access increased. There will always be a market for various action, SJW, and thriller movies-- the only question is how to encourage them to spend their $. Mel Gibson did this in some field by his controversial movies that tapped into a markets feelings of I am different and going to support this. How VD does this-- I am sure that he has a strategy. Like most things-- you don't know what the market really is until you try to enter it.

Here is to hoping that the market is what VD thinks it is.

Blogger Crew September 08, 2019 12:16 PM  

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Blogger Crew September 08, 2019 12:16 PM  

@47: I imagine they will eventually try to prevent access to the market using all sorts of tricks including new laws etc.

Blogger Crew September 08, 2019 12:23 PM  

@47: To elaborate, I think the market is there. However, you can make as many movies as you like, if you can't get them to the market it is no use.

Blogger MichaelJMaier September 08, 2019 12:48 PM  

The MCU likely died along with Tony Stark.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 08, 2019 1:05 PM  

@10

"Why is a vietnamese person named Tranny Tran working at Marvel Studios"

Being Viet is just cover for well... the obvious.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2019 1:47 PM  

Crew wrote:@47: I imagine they will eventually try to prevent access to the market using all sorts of tricks including new laws etc.

Legal or not it's amazing what a VPN can get around.

Blogger Crew September 08, 2019 1:50 PM  

Legal or not it's amazing what a VPN can get around.

Indeed, but can you see 20-50M normies using a VPN to get access to Rebel's Run or any successor movies?

Blogger sammibandit September 08, 2019 2:00 PM  

Marvel 2019: we live in a society.

North American WASP and Iron Curtain kids growing up in the West benefitted from X-Men cultural references because it was content both these types of kids could get and talk or play about. That continued with Beasties and Beast Wars in Canada in the 90s. It was great! We didn't have to awkwardly watch Rocky and Bullwinkle do Boris and Natasha sketches with writers confusing Russian and German stereotypes. God, those dragged on. That's boomer content. We had something pretty great. The bad guys were humanized and some allied the good guys. The good guys had significant doubts they were making the right choices. A Beast Wars movie would take so much at the box office if it was done well.

I know I'm preaching to the choir so I'll get to the point. These references confuse and confound diverse, vibrant audiences. The audience doesn't want to learn idioms, the writers don't want to reference them. All the more reason to support content with character.

Blogger M N AD September 08, 2019 4:19 PM  

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you lose.

Blogger LSWCHP September 08, 2019 6:12 PM  

So this Tran woman thinks the purpose of superhero movies is to teach us how to relate to different people and connect with the world. That's..ummm..not why I go to the movies.

I suspect she's mad.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2019 6:31 PM  

LSWCHP wrote:I suspect she's mad.
She's not mad. She's indoctrinated.

Programmed, if will.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 September 09, 2019 4:41 PM  

I'm still struggling to understand the appeal of [i]Black Panther[/i] to black people. It's literally an absolute monarchy and - as depicted - a two-tier society reminiscent of the USSR.

Is it really just the "never colonized" meme?

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