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Saturday, October 12, 2019

It is worse than you IMAGINE

You might look at the terrible events described in The Last Closet and thank your lucky stars that nothing like that has ever happened around you. And you might be wrong:
Dozens of predators, 100s of kids: Decades of trained stars and scorched lives at Children's Theatre.

Shortly after Children’s Theatre Company was founded in 1965, critics were calling it the greatest children’s troupe in the world. The extraordinary feats of its cast and crew, bright kids from across America, afforded the Twin Cities a reputation for artistic excellence.

The Minneapolis company was an insular institution with mysterious methods, helmed by the brilliant and volatile John Clark Donahue. He was also a predatory abuser of children. It was common knowledge that the boys in starring roles tended to be those who serviced Donahue sexually.

When Donahue was finally caught in 1984, Judge Charles Porter skewered the Twin Cities arts community for its complicity.

“‘Genius has to be given their idiosyncrasies, or genius has its funny side, and you have to forgive those sort of things. The theater would have collapsed if anything happened to John Clark Donahue, and the Twin Cities could not afford to have that happen.’ I have heard that so much,” Porter said at sentencing.

“Large family and company money, Dayton’s, Pillsbury, etc., supports the theater, and that they would not allow this to happen. The allegations would be squelched to protect their reputations.”

The judge understood that Donahue was just the spearhead of a larger deceit.

Underneath him were dozens of other staffers who sifted freely through the company’s turnstile of children. Some predators were friends Donahue hired to teach. Others were former students who’d been raped when they were very young, in an earlier decade, and raised in a boundaryless reality to become perpetrators in another.

But because many within the company worked to deflect probing questions from the outside world, the institutional nature of the abuse was hidden for decades. The company survived. It scoured its history.
My parents were patrons of the Children's Theatre and we attended every show there for years, including at the height of this period of rapacious abuse. Neither they nor I had any idea about any of this, of course; I knew nothing of it until Spacebunny brought my attention to it this weekend.

And it is an object lesson in understanding that the murky depths of evil may lurk considerably closer to you than you would ever assume.

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136 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous October 12, 2019 7:18 AM  

And it is an object lesson in understanding that the murky depths of evil may lurk considerably closer to you than you would ever assume.

Who doesn't know someone "brilliant and volatile" who's surrounded by a crowd of "but he's sooooo talented and successful!" groupies enabling all sorts of heinous behavior? I know quite a few otherwise level-headed people who transform into the most egregious starfuckers if the right star (or in some cases, any star) happens to look their way.

Blogger artensoll October 12, 2019 7:24 AM  

Ann Barnhardt calls those the 'Beta Orbiters' of a Diabolical Narcissist. Those are the ones I understand the least.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 12, 2019 7:38 AM  

"It was common knowledge that the boys in starring roles tended to be those who serviced Donahue sexually."

Common
Knowledge

Once again I find myself marvelling at the moths to a flame tendency of the boomers to not only accept but become complicit in systemic evil. Raping kids. Abortion. Usury. Grift. There is no end of it. No wonder the lot of them look like fat demon-sloths. Every institution is a sepulcher apparently. Even ones that don't start out like that will turn into one because tolerance.

Blogger Sargent.matrim October 12, 2019 7:51 AM  

I have been made aware of something happening just this last week close to me. Evil is ever present and needs to be confronted as soon as it is revealed.

God will be victorious in the end, but in the mean time we need to be aware, and ready to fight it wherever it is.

Blogger Silent Draco October 12, 2019 8:00 AM  

Hold up a sec, Doktor Jeep.

Common Knowledge appears in a story written after trial and sentencing.

Common knowledge is not evidence, nor is it one or more people willing to risk public shame by testifying in court. Common Knowledge ranges from a level 1 Intel source to middle school rumor. Converting that to supportable evidence is hard.

The second tier of employees, volunteers, and parents who were either useful idiots or willing supporters made this work for decades. Amazing what a fast patter of lies and family or corporate $$$ do.

Hold off the B word a moment. Look at the timeline. Xers weren't born yet. Who were the first gen of victims?

Blogger Sargent.matrim October 12, 2019 8:16 AM  

I have also found out about stuff that happened to kids I knew when I was growing up. It's painful when you hear it. But it should harden our resolve to oppose such evil whenever we can.

Blogger dienw October 12, 2019 8:16 AM  

Hold off the B word a moment. Look at the timeline. Xers weren't born yet. Who were the first gen of victims?

Xer also needs check the timeline for when the pedo was caught, tried, and sentenced. Boomers.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 12, 2019 8:27 AM  

The D-party is old krones and their crazy gay kids.

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2019 8:36 AM  

What will be found out is the Pedo "culture" is old, very old, and was just moving big-time into the USA in the mid-60s. As bad as Children's Theatre was, it will turn out to be mild compared to the World Wide horrors that will be revealed in the next few years.

How could Rotherham have happened, and is still happening in the UK? The UK is many decades ahead of the USA in Pedo degeneracy and GloboHomo sponsorship. Yet what was going on in Haiti through the Clinton Foundation will go to depths of evil far beyond even these.

"It's about the Children" was my wake-up call a few years ago.

Blogger The CronoLink October 12, 2019 8:45 AM  

The theater would have collapsed if anything happened to John Clark Donahue, and the Twin Cities could not afford to have that happen.

I cannot help but feel the most deep-seated contempt and disgust for people who protect these monsters. People who have become so engrossed on the final product, they don't care the evil means by which they are produced, so long as they can continue reaping a bountiful harvest.
People are no perfect, I understand, and imperfect people are still capable of doing Good DESPITE their fallen nature, but when they try to justify their evil by "the good they do", that's when my bare hands meet their throats.

Blogger Daniel October 12, 2019 9:06 AM  

The narcissism-induced illiteracy of the Boomer Defense League is predictable:

"Donahue served 10 months in jail and 15 years of probation.

Though he pleaded guilty and publicly apologized for raping three boys, he later admitted in depositions to molesting 16. Some of the boys he denied assaulting have since testified to the contrary."

You can stop patting yourself on the backs, hippies.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 12, 2019 9:07 AM  

This is different than Children's Television Workshop, right? I was reading this the whole time thinking it was Sesame Street.

Blogger Johnny October 12, 2019 9:07 AM  

I wonder about old Father Flanagan and Boys Town, or now, towns. Not to falsely accuse him, but it seems that every such institution should be subject to some type of external audit as a normal procedure.

Blogger The Masked Menace October 12, 2019 9:07 AM  

Sexually abusing a child is a heinous SELFISH act. The experience shapes a child's personality and impacts the rest of his life. Extreme shyness and a wariness of and an inability to form relationships could be a sign a person was sexually abused as a child. To abuse a child is to murder him from the inside out.

Blogger urthshu October 12, 2019 9:10 AM  

Hold off the B word a moment. Look at the timeline. Xers weren't born yet.

++++

A fair point. It's the ones featured most prominent in the furnished article that are Xers. And it occurs to me that ours is a generation that tends to break the silence more, as well. A fine legacy.

Blogger Ingemar October 12, 2019 9:10 AM  

If we AREN'T living in the End of Days, then future generations will marvel at how anyone thought it was a good idea to leave children with strange adults for over half the day, most days of the week.

Blogger Fargoth October 12, 2019 9:13 AM  

"Minnesota stinks, man. Y'all gotta get the fuck outta here, man"

-Patrice O'Neal 2010

Blogger [Redacted] October 12, 2019 9:28 AM  

For thousands of years, actors were considered less than prostitutes. Whores may sell their bodies, but actors sell their souls pretending professionally to be something they are not and will never be. It explains the criminal and treasonous culture surrounding the arts, but it always is worse. I strongly suspect cannibalism, and elaborate deceptions to mask it in public, but who knows if something that horrible would even be reported.

Blogger urthshu October 12, 2019 9:31 AM  

I believe you need to read about the Franklin scandal.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 12, 2019 9:38 AM  


"Common knowledge is not evidence, nor is it one or more people willing to risk public shame by testifying in court. Common Knowledge ranges from a level 1 Intel source to middle school rumor. Converting that to supportable evidence is hard."
-- did you get a bowtie to go with that opinion?

"Xer also needs check the timeline for when the pedo was caught, tried, and sentenced. Boomers."
-- And he got a slap on the wrist. Sentenced by boomers.

To the both of you: shut up, boomers.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 12, 2019 9:39 AM  

The Sexual Revolution of the 60's now looks like just an intentional smokescreen thrown hp to enable pedophiles.

Blogger JovianStorm October 12, 2019 9:39 AM  

I'm not sure why people who become victims because authorities look the other way always want to rely on those same authorities for justice.

If I had a son and this scumbag raped him the scumbag would be dead. There wouldn't need to be any trial.

This is the sickest most Satanic thing I've ever read.concerning the theater ...

Blogger Homesteader October 12, 2019 9:42 AM  

Had a weirdo uncle when I was 15.

He tried, one day.

"Homesteader, I don't think you know what I am. I like to suck cock."

Thankfully, at 15, I was man-sized.

Told him to get the fuck out and never return.

He died alone years later, I'm happy to say. I told EVERYONE.

The thing is...his face when he said it.

It was demonic. It's been decades, and I can still see that rictus of pure evil.

It lurks everywhere.

Fight it when you find it.

Blogger dienw October 12, 2019 9:43 AM  

To the both of you: shut up, boomers.
No.

Blogger Borsabil October 12, 2019 9:46 AM  

Any adult who seeks unsupervised access to children who are not their blood relatives should immediately ring alarm bells.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 12, 2019 9:48 AM  

A boomer responds in 5 minutes. Why? Because he's sitting there on his fat boomer ass and is going to be camped here all day.
Reddit needs a wall around it.

Blogger Andy October 12, 2019 9:53 AM  

"And it is an object lesson in understanding that the murky depths of evil may lurk considerably closer to you than you would ever assume."

As someone who lives in central PA and loves PSU football, I certainly know that feeling, SDL.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 9:58 AM  

"To the both of you: shut up, boomers.
No."


Self-identified.

Blogger tublecane October 12, 2019 10:09 AM  

Speaking as someone who grew up attending Children's Theater productions, both with my family and on school field trips, I don't believe for a second it was some kind of essential institution Minneapolis could not afford to lose. I mean, surely the city's culture-vultures would prefer to keep it, and the ones profiting off of it obviously have an interest. The general public would miss it when they can be bothered to remember it. Still.

The Guthrie, Orchestra Hall, the Ordway, the Institute of Arts, these are all probably filled with evil, too. But they're also more integral to higher culture in the Twin Cities than the Children's Theater. Which is nice when we want somewhere to plop the kids or to point to various Hollywood actors and say "We groomed that guy, mother!" It's just hyperbolic to pretend the Children's Theater is worth covering up pedomania to anyone of sound mind and straight morals.

Blogger Cloudbuster October 12, 2019 10:14 AM  

A boomer responds in 5 minutes. Why? Because he's sitting there on his fat boomer ass and is going to be camped here all day.
Reddit needs a wall around it.


He types, precisely five minutes later.

Blogger Blastmaster October 12, 2019 10:19 AM  

The thing is...his face when he said it.

"It was demonic. It's been decades, and I can still see that rictus of pure evil"

There was an old Queen that lived on my delivery route for years. Prim, Slim and polite. He would get advertising mailings from sodomite porn companies. Once when I handed him a package from this company, I watched his excited face momentarily transform into something demonic before turning back. Like Bilbo in LOTR when he sees his old ring. Frightening and illuminating

Blogger Akuma October 12, 2019 10:22 AM  

Traumatic Bonding is the cause. Our current culture enables all sorts of abuse that starts in childhood. Once Adulthood starts the brain will seek out what it knows as normal. Most people lack the self control and insight to deviate from auto-pilot.

Blogger Warunicorn October 12, 2019 10:24 AM  

This makes me want to cry.

It also makes me want to stick the f*ckers involved in this abominable atrocity in a building, light it afire and listen to their agonizing screams as they burn to death.

Blogger Lovekraft October 12, 2019 10:24 AM  

They all rely on time to march on and memories to fade. The past is just something to be molded by them at their time and choosing. Even the vast majority of 'news' today is completely void of greater context, another method of obscuring deep rot.

Blogger Warunicorn October 12, 2019 10:26 AM  

Oh, I forgot: Obligatory shout-out for "The Last Closet." Great book but a hard read. Be forewarned.

Blogger SebastianX1/9 October 12, 2019 10:26 AM  

As a non Anglo-American who lived in the USA, I personally find this obsession with children "performing" for adults a bit creepy in and of itself.

There's something exploitative and imho corrupting because there is often an inside joke wherein the child is doing or saying something with an adult double-entendre for the benefit of the crowd. I'm probably less surprised by Drag Queen story hour than most of you. American performing arts has had kids in drag for decades.

Blogger David Ray Milton October 12, 2019 10:27 AM  

In my denomination we had a man who was held in unbelievably high-esteem for being a Creation scientist and largely made his living doing anti-Evolution research. His name was Bert Thompson. He would come to do lectures at our home congregation every couple of years where we treated him like royalty. He also had his band of younger boys that he strangely took an interest in at our congregation (12-14 year olds), and he had some group like this at several congregations that he toured. Less oddly, he also had an internship program at his lab for older boys every summer.

I was working at my home congregation one summer when the allegations started coming out and the Inquisition began. There were likely dozens of boys over more than a decade that this sick bastard molested. The most enraging part of the story is that this pervert never saw a prison cell due to the relatively high age of the boys making the accusations and the lack of boys who would step forward to file charges.

In light of the allegations his wife and sons figuratively crucified and disowned him. They began to speak publicly about how they had suspicions for years about his bad behavior, how he was a terrible father/husband, but they never voiced their suspicions because of their dad’s celebrity status in our denominational world.

They’re everywhere. Always be suspicious of other people taking a genuine interest in your children.

Blogger flyingtiger October 12, 2019 10:33 AM  

#14: Perfectly said. Good work!

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2019 10:34 AM  

26. Doktor Jeep

Both SD and especially dienw's comments strike me as contributing intelligence on here over time, quite separate from the Boomer issue.

I've rarely noticed such intelligence from you or AA's comments, but I shall be paying more attention.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo October 12, 2019 10:37 AM  

@37

Are you a Campbellite?

Blogger J Van Stry October 12, 2019 10:40 AM  

I am continually shocked by the people who cover up for these monsters. People in positions of authority who continually look the other way, rather than say investigating.
I've always felt that people who molest children should face execution. I'm starting to think that the people who knowingly turn away should face it too.

Blogger dienw October 12, 2019 10:43 AM  

O.T. Something is going down in California using the PG&E blackout as cover.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky October 12, 2019 10:45 AM  

Never ever ever let anyone else raise your kids. It's stupid.

And even blood relatives can't be unilaterally trusted. Uncles are a frequent source of pedo rape. As another reader here has attested. I also have a few relatives that will never be unsupervised around my children.

Blogger SJ October 12, 2019 10:46 AM  

And to damage the family so as to create more lost children who won't have parental protection. Thanks again boomers.

Blogger David Ray Milton October 12, 2019 10:50 AM  

@Uncle Maffoo

That’s the tradition I grew up in and my family has deep roots there. I am no longer with them. I was disfellowshipped in my early twenties for believing the Baptists could go to heaven, too.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo October 12, 2019 10:54 AM  

@45

Same as what I grew up with. I remember the church of my adolescence playing a series of Bert Thompson videos one summer, but I never knew of his predilections for abusing boys. Dude just seemed like a dork who wasn't that intelligent.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim October 12, 2019 11:06 AM  

I wonder if the big guy really died of a stroke due to complications of Diabetes or was he given something to cause it. More than a few times I notice the left flaunting their stupidity in areas where Patrice would have blown them out of the room with his verbal brutality.

Blogger Dos Voltz October 12, 2019 11:12 AM  

CNN hires only sodomites anymore as anchors, like A Cooper. Don Lemon says white men are the real terrorists yet he lets a white man terrorize his anus every night. Stelter? And will Shep Smith migrate over there? Rape buttons in offices like (((Lauer))) had and network covered up? These people seek out permissive environments. Sick!

Blogger J2 October 12, 2019 11:17 AM  

Be cautious all the time, even with family. It's closer than you know.

Prevention is paramount. The alternative is life-altering and permanent, and fixing it after the fact is impossible.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 12, 2019 11:22 AM  

As a non Anglo-American who lived in the USA, I personally find this obsession with children "performing" for adults a bit creepy in and of itself.

Same here. Maybe because normal men are more likely to enjoy a play if it features attractive women.

Blogger Nate October 12, 2019 11:25 AM  

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Blogger Nate October 12, 2019 11:26 AM  

Theater = Gays

Childrens Theater = Gay Child Rape Factory

It literally could not be anything else.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 12, 2019 11:29 AM  

the murky depths of evil may lurk considerably closer to you than you would ever assume.

Can confirm. There were boys being molested at my school in the 80s, including a few boys I knew, and I had no idea. I would have gotten the hell out if I did. At the time, I naively thought it couldn't happen there, because as typical teenage boys, we were vigilant about any boy acting gay. We just didn't consider the teachers.

Much like this situation, there were many people after the fact who said they had suspicions or saw odd things that made them wonder. I think what happens is the standard anti-conspiracy-theory defenses kick in: "If that were happening, someone would have said something. Kids would have come forward, parents would have complained, someone would have gone to the police, etc. It couldn't be hidden with so many people watching, especially nowadays. I must be seeing things." Problem is, all those things did happen at times, but the parents, police, and other authorities all decided for various reasons it was better to settle it for money than cause a big stink.

Blogger Roman Daoist October 12, 2019 11:46 AM  

Two words: Shot. Gun. To. The. Face.

Blogger Amy October 12, 2019 11:49 AM  


Any adult who seeks unsupervised access to children who are not their blood relatives should immediately ring alarm bells.


Blood relatives are far more often the abusers. Stranger Danger (the man in the white van) is such a small threat. Blood Relatives are the first most likely abuser, followed by trusted non-family, as in teachers and mentors.

Source: firsthand knowledge. Family members have automatic trust baked in the cake, so it’s easy for them to gain access under the guise of babysitting, supervising, etc.

Abusers don’t just groom the victims, they groom the parents and guardians. It’s a planned and steady erosion of barriers, aimed at gaining trust of victims and guardians. The victim is praised, shamed, punished or threatened punishment from guardians if they “tell.” Guardians are assured that children have great imaginations and capacity for exaggeration.

Someone said it “murders a child from the inside.” Too true.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeBron James loves Asian Rape Farms and Slave Labor ) October 12, 2019 11:50 AM  

29. tublecane October 12, 2019 10:09 AM
I don't believe for a second it was some kind of essential institution Minneapolis could not afford to lose.



it's WORSE than that;
here we are +35 years later and CTC is still a going concern.

http://www.childrenstheatre.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Theatre_Company


it was NOT necessary to "protect" Donahue or any of the other molesters in order for the CTC to survive. that was merely another lie, told by people who lie CONSTANTLY, for their own benefit.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 12, 2019 11:52 AM  

Sexually abusing a child is a heinous SELFISH act. The experience shapes a child's personality and impacts the rest of his life. Extreme shyness and a wariness of and an inability to form relationships could be a sign a person was sexually abused as a child. To abuse a child is to murder him from the inside out.

Through my teens and twenties I was hit on by gays a lot, and to this day I'm uncomfortable around other men. I can't imagine how bad it would be if there was actual sexual abuse involved.

Blogger Roman Daoist October 12, 2019 11:57 AM  

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Blogger Brett baker October 12, 2019 12:00 PM  

Ever read certain accounts of why apprentices would sometimes run away?

Blogger Greg Hunt October 12, 2019 12:03 PM  

HPLovecraft wrote a story about a traveler staying the night in a rural farmhouse, the owner of which told a story of South Pacific canibalism. The buildup led to the discovery that the old farmer was himself a canibal, followed by fleeing the horror and escaping into the night.

Stories like this were horrifying as they were unrelatable. People just weren't canibals. To meet one meant all normal laws and ideologies are out the window.

Modern horror has lost its edge, as our neighbors could be real-life doing things outside of our laws and ideology. Children's Theater run by rapist pedophiles? 30 years ago that would be unbelievable, and therefore a good horror story. Today, it's not even surprising. If it turns out Hillary really is eating babies for religion, there'll be no shock.

Blogger Grey Carter October 12, 2019 12:11 PM  

After reading The Last Closet, I thought that if there were people out there like Walter Breen, some must be politicians, lawyers, entertainers, judges, etc...influencial and powerful people. There is no middle ground between Christ and Satan.

Blogger Noah B. October 12, 2019 12:24 PM  

"It is worse than you IMAGINE"

That should be our new national motto. It applies to so many things.

Blogger The Masked Menace October 12, 2019 12:34 PM  

SebastianX1/9: "As a non Anglo-American who lived in the USA, I personally find this obsession with children "performing" for adults a bit creepy in and of itself."


Even though in the context of the topic I can certainly appreciate your comment, I do recall a performance during a church service by a little girl a long time ago. She sang a song about Jesus. I don't recall the exact song but I do remember it was one of the most moving performances I ever experienced. There is something truly beautiful about untarnished innocence. There's been few times since then that I ever felt closer to God.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist October 12, 2019 1:03 PM  

My brother killed himself. After being used for his rectum since he was six, by multiple gay men. After being the hottest white boy in school. After having it whispered into his ear all his young life, "You're gay... Accept it.". After falling in love mutually with the prettiest girl in school at 16. She was a black girl. She was then killed by her black peers for being in love with a white boy. He asphixiated in a garage a hundred yards away, three years later, because he couldn't take it any more.

I was a year younger.

Vox, many of us can not only imagine. We know.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira October 12, 2019 1:27 PM  

Hell just got 10 degrees hotter.

Blogger Avalanche October 12, 2019 1:39 PM  

@16 " future generations will marvel at how anyone thought it was a good idea to leave children with strange adults for over half the day, most days of the week."

Because waaaaay back then: you know, the 50s, 60s and early 70s? When we young Boomers were growing up?! It was almost unthinkable that your children weren't safe! I grew up in a time when crimes against children were exceedingly rare! Not merely well covered-up -- RARE! There weren't convicted sexual predators on every block, and drunks, addicts, and crazy folks were either locked up or very rare. (We had a WWII shell-shock victim in my town: "Babbling Bill" lived in a residential hotel and walked the town daily arguing with folks who weren't there. And we WATCHED OUT for him: made sure he made it home for dinner, helped him cross the street on a busy day. It was not insanely pathological back then and it is now.

Blogger Careless Whisper October 12, 2019 2:07 PM  

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Blogger urthshu October 12, 2019 2:15 PM  

and early 70s?

+++

No. I was a kid then. It was a long whispered thing amongst us.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 2:23 PM  

"Speaking as someone who grew up attending Children's Theater productions, both with my family and on school field trips, I don't believe for a second it was some kind of essential institution Minneapolis could not afford to lose."

Agreed. Them acting like children's theater has ever been a mainstay is bizarre.

As to the boomers, it's all off topic, so James is pertinent about guarding tongues.

"Theater = Gays

Childrens Theater = Gay Child Rape Factory"


Everyone knows intuitively to an extent. This is why the "morals" about "strange isn't bad" are aired on children's programming CONSTANTLY. It's similar to the saying "how do you know it's bad if you haven't tried it?"

Some things are intuitively bad, and if people are unable to recognize it they have only their trained ignorance to blame. Strange is bad more often than not. If it weren't, our ancestors would have been all up in that, and it wouldn't be strange to us from the getgo.

At the very least, different things are endemic of different systems, we can't pick and choose and expect shallow choices to fit.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 2:29 PM  

Actors? Historically they've never been viewed as even slightly decent people.

The only reason they are now is because of the long ascendancy of bread and circuses.

Blogger David Ray Milton October 12, 2019 2:34 PM  

Your assessment was correct. In hindsight, he had all of the signs of a perv.

Blogger RedJack October 12, 2019 2:38 PM  

I second that. Hrew up in the area. It was common knowledge what was going on. And that is a reason my family was happy Bush the elder lost

Blogger Jake October 12, 2019 2:48 PM  

http://www.startribune.com/owner-of-varsity-loring-pasta-bar-accused-in-children-s-theatre-sex-abuse-suit/359635921/

I've met one of the creeps in this story. The other guy. He's creepy. No idea if the accusations panned out with a conviction, but I can guarantee you, the artsy fartsy scene in Minneapolis was and is full of degeneracy and evil.

Blogger Qualitarian October 12, 2019 3:09 PM  

Random question that just occurred to me: was noted Minneapolis musician and dramatist Bob Mould connected with this theater troupe? Infogalactic says he was born in 1960, so he'd be right in the thweet thpot to have been, uh, "touched" by this phenomenon.

I liked Husker Due and some of his other projects but I'm warier now.

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2019 3:12 PM  

73. Jake

Yet saying that, if the Right does not come up with their own artists, who are not prevs, and are pro-Christian... We will lose.

Politics and even warriors are downstream from culture, and culture needs artists. So, instead of knuckle-dragging, "All Artists Bad," trying creating artists who are vetted toward Christian Values.

Stop being binary morons. Try Thinking.

Duh!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 3:27 PM  

He didn't say all artists were bad.

Blogger Careless Whisper October 12, 2019 3:28 PM  

@75 that's a fine idea. Perhaps, apart from the Alt Hero, Dark Legion, Castalia House, and Unauthorized products our host has built up from scratch, you check out and spread the word about Jon delArroz, Brian Niemeier, and the other guys working the Cruci-fiction genre. All things need a little oxygen if they're going to grow!

Blogger VFM #7634 October 12, 2019 3:43 PM  

@64 Taqiyyotomist

That's sad. Like a very dark romantic tragedy.

I wonder how many men end up loners as a learned instinct from dodging the ghey. If you have to suspect that any man who's friendly to you is wanting to stick his dick in you... homosexuality, and the celebration of it even by straights, is absolutely corrosive to society, and anyone who doesn't think so is moronic; or at best, speaking from complete ignorance, like those white people whose only exposure to blacks is from Hollywood movies.

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2019 4:08 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:He didn't say all artists were bad.

Hmm!

Please cull through posts and find even one positive suggestion on what would help the Culture Wars, besides the negative, and obvious, Globohomos Bad.

Blogger CF Neal October 12, 2019 4:08 PM  

I cry ...
I rage ..
I pray ...
I seek justice!
w/o mercy
God have mercy, we must have JUSTICE.

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2019 4:16 PM  

77. Careless Whisper

I listen to Jon's podcasts, and read most of Castilia House's books including John Wrights and other.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon October 12, 2019 4:23 PM  

Shiz, as a relatively new parent I think the safest thing is to assume that all the kid's theatres, kid's book festivals, modeling/talent agencies (etc), science fiction clubs, etc are all run by pedos. Even if you warn your kid to tell you if some adult is creeping them out, it may not be sufficient. These people are obviously using every trick in the book to shut the kids up, guilt trips, threats, etc.

Blogger God Emperor Memes October 12, 2019 4:43 PM  

They seem to either become homosexuals or pedophiles themselves. Sometimes both.

Blogger p_q October 12, 2019 5:22 PM  

Children should never be left alone with strangers, even if the institution is good that situation alone is very attractive to predators looking for places to work and explore their appetites.

Blogger Keith October 12, 2019 5:54 PM  

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Blogger Keith October 12, 2019 5:56 PM  

I worked at a Boy Scout camp in from the mid-80s through the early 90s. I was oblivious back then and a lot of stuff was invisible to me or went right over my head.

At the time there was a bit of a purge going on trying to get rid of homosexual scoutmasters. Remember, at that time that just meant enforcing the longstanding rule against homosexuals being allowed to take other people's kids into the woods, and even then it was creating some push-back from a small number of the staff.

Fast-forward 20 years when everyone I hadn't even thought about or just assumed I'd never see again ended up reconnecting on Facebook. Then I find out holy shite, 1/3 of the people I knew at camp were actually gay, or became gay shortly after their time there, and most of those people were doing all sorts of stuff while were were working there, AND engaging in grooming behavior (called "creating safe spaces") with vulnerable kids.

This post, showing that predators know how to attach themselves to any org that draws in little kids, then lets volunteers have unfettered access to other people's children, surprises me zero percent.

Blogger Gianna October 12, 2019 6:41 PM  

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Blogger Gianna October 12, 2019 6:43 PM  

@82
I would also be wary of swimming lessons. Many years ago an acquaintance told me a story I never forgot. She asked her 4-year-old son why he was always laughing with his swimming instructor while she watched from the stands, he told her the instructor was tickling his penis during the lesson. Her son told her while they were driving home and she nearly crashed the car. She wanted to notify the police but her husband said that their son's name would be in the newspapers so they did nothing!
I am sure incidents where the parents know but do nothing happen all the time.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 7:10 PM  

"find even one positive suggestion"

Rather than focus on past red herrings, let's skip straight to drawing future plans.

First we need an organized means of looking at the various problems and their aspects.
I tend to draw analogies to smaller living things, then compare and contrast to see where the analogy is accurate and can make good predictions and where it is not relevant. For example, in that it is the means of increasing efficiency of material transfer, trade is the blood of the society. Communications tech is the nerves. Infrastructure is the bones. The closest analogy to a heart is what the society believes that it wants. Like a regular heart, this is comprised of nerve and muscle, communications and workforce.

That what can be recognized as a body will eventually become corrupt and die is inevitable. Before then, repair is either automatic, difficult, or impossible. Some things will not be healed within a physical body. For those things that can be healed yet are not, so far as we are concerned, automatic, repairs are carried out first by iterating undamaged cells of the same type.

We need to stimulate growth and multiplication of those who are already artistic, and are not corrupted. Dead or alien things need to be removed from the body. Both of these require recognition, which requires communication and truth. What functions as the priesthood is the connection to truth.

"Globohomos bad" though negative, needs repeating as often as possible. Communication is what enables excommunication of the dead and corrupting. Until everyone knows it, the word needs to be spread.

So, in that we believe the current body can survive, to well nourish the good artists and spread word of the perversion of the bad are primary tasks in fixing the body's imagination. The third task is to make sure what is good remains uncorrupted. The best means of this is to make regular use of it. The saying that idle hands are the devil's playthings is extremely accurate.

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2019 7:26 PM  

89. Azure Amaranthine

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Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeBron James loves Asian Rape Farms and Slave Labor ) October 12, 2019 7:37 PM  

there are parallels, of course, between what CTC was ( is? ) doing and the way the Catholic Church handles pedo-priests.

the RCC very often leans on the families of victims to not create a stink about the pedophiles, so as to not "unfairly" harm the Church.

at the same time that they assert that the RCC is the One True Church, founded on Peter and protected by God and the legitimacy of the papacy.

why then is it necessary for the RCC clergy to hide and conceal and aid and abet pedophile activity, rather than punishing it and / or turning it over for prosecution?

you certainly can't make the argument that such knowledge will "destroy the Church", as it's lasted for ~2000 years and shows no signs of slowing down.

that assertion is logically ludicrous. far MORE ludicrous than the assertion that the CTC would have been destroyed by the allegations. for, is not the RCC under the protection of God?

Blogger Robert Browning October 12, 2019 7:46 PM  

Only an animal preys upon the weak and the innocent. Only an animal.

Blogger God Emperor Memes October 12, 2019 7:50 PM  

Yes. My mother exposed me to all sorts of Leftist vileness when I was little. She seriously hoped that at least one of her boys would turn into a homosexual, because then she would be able to virtue-signal to her loathsome friends about what wonderful, progressive, open-minded mother she had been.
There was a time when women (and men) protected their children from such things.

What I found interesting in The Last Closet was what the authoress had to say to other women about how men can be cleverer and more manipulative than they are. Feminists would Reee about it but it's true.

Blogger Didas Kalos October 12, 2019 8:03 PM  

@Gianna The father may have been thinking his name would be on the wall at the post office. For murder in the worst degree.

Blogger artensoll October 12, 2019 8:23 PM  

@88 Gianna "I am sure incidents where the parents know but do nothing happen all the time."

I know of two separate situations in my own extended family. Both times the perpetrators were related to the victims so I don't know if that makes a difference. Both times the parents of the victims just froze into inaction, then justified themselves with weak excuses, then pretended nothing had happened. I believe this did far more damage to the psyche of the victims as they grew than the original assaults. One was forced to sit next to her molester at Christmas dinner.

Blogger Gospace October 12, 2019 8:43 PM  

I've been a Scout leader for over 20 years. My youngest is now a junior in college. It's disturbing that our local leaders can't find younger parents of the Scouts to assume leadership positions.

The youth protection training, required every two years, is updated as needed to make it better. And does clearly show how to identify predatory behavior. I stick around in a leadership position because I've seen the benefits of Scouting to many. My 4 male children are all doing better in life than I was at their age, more due to the lessons in Scouting than school.

You don't have to be associated with Scouting to take their Youth Protection course. I can recommend it if you want to see the different scenarios that demonstrate untoward behavior.

Scouting.org/training/youth-protection/

If you have children, you should know all the adults in any group they're involved in. And be aware of what predatory behavior looks like. And it often looks a lot like just being friendly and helpful.

Blogger Ingemar October 12, 2019 8:48 PM  

No, but please elaborate.

Blogger ex-pastor October 12, 2019 9:02 PM  

A good friend of mine discovered his father in law had molested several of his own grandchildren (my friend’s kids and some of their cousins). Evidence was clear, went to court ... but the state prosecutor warned him & his wife that her dad would be killed in prison. She couldn’t bear being responsible for his death. Wrecked her family. One of her sisters wigged out from flashbacks of long-suppressed memories of their dad abusing her. Mom initially blames dad, now defends him & blames my friend & his wife. Lots of ruin & pain.

Blogger John Rockwell October 12, 2019 9:04 PM  

Warunicorn wrote:This makes me want to cry.

It also makes me want to stick the f*ckers involved in this abominable atrocity in a building, light it afire and listen to their agonizing screams as they burn to death.


Now you know the real reason why Sodom and Gommorrah was burnt to ashes.

Blogger John Rockwell October 12, 2019 9:13 PM  

Jake wrote:http://www.startribune.com/owner-of-varsity-loring-pasta-bar-accused-in-children-s-theatre-sex-abuse-suit/359635921/

I've met one of the creeps in this story. The other guy. He's creepy. No idea if the accusations panned out with a conviction, but I can guarantee you, the artsy fartsy scene in Minneapolis was and is full of degeneracy and evil.


I think the AIDs epidemic was good in this regard. It removed a lot of those perverted from being able to victimize more boys than would otherwise happen.

Blogger Clay October 12, 2019 10:42 PM  

It appears that ANY organization that "specializes" with children,will eventually be found to have been loaded with pedophiles and pervs...(not mutually exclusive).

Blogger Raker_T October 12, 2019 11:10 PM  

Neat comment; but this
" let's skip straight to drawing future plans."
is binary, in that it is itself another Red Herring, or, you pick a place to work on it. A simple second step, being that the quote above is the first. There are probably sites where it's already being discussed, but personally I think it would be the coolest if our esteemed host had a subdomain, page, or blog where people who comment here would affect the course of conversations and directions about Christian art in our times.
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Link or Herring, you're on.

Blogger doctrev October 12, 2019 11:16 PM  

That's absolutely horrifying, and it's a fantastic reason to produce a Based Parenting Guide so you can protect your children from these evil degenerates. The mind reels.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 11:24 PM  

"I think the AIDs epidemic was good in this regard. It removed a lot of those perverted from being able to victimize more boys than would otherwise happen."

To live is to burn. To live imperfectly is to be burned away.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 11:29 PM  

"is binary, in that it is itself another Red Herring, or, you pick a place to work on it."

No, it isn't binary. It's avoiding pointless squabbling. The rest of your post is just goading.

Making things physical is important too, but you don't get there in the first place without figuring out effective targets. I don't disagree with your direction, but you haven't either the standing or the logic to demand of me.

Blogger Ska_Boss October 12, 2019 11:30 PM  

Oh I know how pervasive it is. When I was just an infant I was raped with a scalpel. They called it a 'procedure'. I am emotionally scarred and physically disfigured for life because of it. I hear they are still getting away with it to this day, sick bastards.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 11:31 PM  

I'm not particularly involved in the arts anyway, so I'm about the last person you should want trying to provide physical goals and immediate tactics.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2019 11:34 PM  

I wouldn't hesitate to try to help, but I also wouldn't know where to begin on that level of things.

Blogger Raker_T October 13, 2019 12:25 AM  

You bet it's goading, but friendly goading. Were it otherwise, it would be more obvious. But enough of that. " I also wouldn't know where to begin" You already started. The next step is just to keep the idea from being overshadowed by the crisis of the immediate, from being another awesome quote that slides down into blog history.
As far as standing goes, yeah, I'm some sort of ankle biter Boomer aged chihuahua that's tolerated for some reason. You, OTOH, might talk the Vox man into a page or something. Art is very broad, no one alone could make the goals,but the voices here would take it where it needs to go.
I already have a few sites and a blog where it could be done, but my tastes run from the classical to street art, and it would be better to have more educated people driving it; plus it's a bit self serving to try and link to my own stuff. I was trying to avoid that, but I know I could contribute some interesting things. Here's a discussion that a non artist could participate in:
The objectivity of beauty, how it shows a creator.
The goading is a bit personal; I'm going through some major changes as far as activism and the internet goes. Time and again, the conversation stops when I say "I have some experience here, we could do this and this, or that..." and the conversation goes silent. The apathy is epic. You have a good idea.

Blogger RickZ October 13, 2019 12:56 AM  

When I was in Catholic grade school in the '60s, I was an altar boy and a Boy Scout; my best friend was a reader of the Bible verse at Mass. The priest who worked with me on my Ad Altari Dei award also molested my friend on the altar while standing at the lectern during Mass. I only found out in my 30s when he told me; shame is part of the pedophile's kink. I never knew or heard anything bad about the 'friendly Father Mark' and apparently dodged one helluva bullet. My friend did have a drinking problem his whole life, as in blackout drunk. While I want these pedophile bastards killed, I want them to die verrry slowly and verrry painfully, damn that whole Constitutional prohibition against 'cruel and unusual punishment'. Hanging, drawing and quartering would be a good place to start with punishment, leaving whatever's left of the body hanging in a gibbet 'til the bones fall apart. As a gentle warning, mind you.

Blogger Rhodesian History Bear October 13, 2019 1:14 AM  

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Blogger Homesteader October 13, 2019 1:40 AM  

https://www.parentsformeganslaw.org/product/book-apple-of-my-eye/

Ansolutely awesome book.
Discusses how to safeguard your kid through teaching roles, and what each adult's role is in that kid's life.

Blogger Paul M October 13, 2019 2:34 AM  

The Masked Menace wrote:Sexually abusing a child is a heinous SELFISH act. The experience shapes a child's personality and impacts the rest of his life.
Ask any pedo, and they'll tell you they love children, they'd never hurt a child, the very thought of it is abhorrent. They'll tell you that the stuff they were doing is mostly innocent, that the child was sexually precocious, right into it, they wanted it. They'll tell you that ultimately, it was good for the child and a positive thing.

And it's not just pedophiles. There's rapists who scrupulously use condoms, who concernedly ask their victims afterwards if everything is ok.

Blogger NRx October 13, 2019 4:14 AM  

When we talk about this we need to name the homosexual.

Not all gays are pedophiles but a very very large % are. And 99.9% of all pedophiles (those attracted to prepubescents) are gays, the Podesta brothers being a likely exception...

Blogger Lazarus October 13, 2019 6:14 AM  

Clay wrote:It appears that ANY organization that "specializes" with children,will eventually be found to have been loaded with pedophiles and pervs...(not mutually exclusive).

Predators go to where the prey are.

Everyone is suspect.

Blogger Joe October 13, 2019 7:30 AM  

"The only reason they are now is because of the long ascendancy of bread and circuses."

And mind control programs, which spawned the entertainment industry.

Blogger John Rockwell October 13, 2019 7:51 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"I think the AIDs epidemic was good in this regard. It removed a lot of those perverted from being able to victimize more boys than would otherwise happen."

To live is to burn. To live imperfectly is to be burned away.


Christ is the ultimate solution. Including the role of the state as the avenger.

In order that those even for those who sin terribly. To sin unto death. The destruction of the flesh so that the soul may be saved on the last day.

As much as death row is a good impetus for true repentance. And false repentance wouldn't matter anyway.

Blogger lions paw October 13, 2019 7:54 AM  

Horrific.

Is it that the trend in abuse is increasing or that we are more aware or perhaps both ?

As the relative safety of Western culture goes thru this apparent phase of death and rebirth the innocent will suffer the most.

While not Western a good descriptive example is when the relative stability of Russian culture was shattered by the Revolution. 10s of millions of children roamed the streets. The abuse was mindboggling.

And Now My Soul is Hardened
Alan Ball

Worth a read on several levels.
Warning. It's a haunting account of what happens.

Protect the innocent.

Blogger dienw October 13, 2019 8:15 AM  

@ Azur & Raker_T
Re the arts. Get them out of colleges and universities and establish schools such Cooper Union or the Art Students' League in NYC within each state; both of these began as private initiatives. Also, serious local artists should take over local arts organizations; don't leave them to be run by the local Junior League women or "arts management" idiots; assume control of/or start these groups art classes: I've watched waitresses and housewives teach art better and turn out better artists than colleges. Keep the local artists groups membership run so that the boards and any employees are under the artists' direction; avoid grants with strings attached.

If you're not an artist but want to start a serious artists group and have the money to initially back the endeavor, seek out the local artist - there is always one who has the charisma to attract others - and begin a group.

Blogger stevo October 13, 2019 10:23 AM  

My younger brother was a member of Wpg's Prairie Theatre Exchange as a child. He's been gay ever since

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 13, 2019 10:33 AM  

RickZ wrote:... damn that whole Constitutional prohibition against 'cruel and unusual punishment'.

Notice that it's and, not or. If it's usual, cruel is OK.

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Blogger Ariadne Umbrella October 13, 2019 11:50 AM  

ya'll.....the guys infected with HIV will still rent young boys and infect them.

Blogger sammibandit October 13, 2019 12:14 PM  

Notice that it's and, not or. If it's usual, cruel is OK.

When I learned how Boolean search worked I was told to remember "or is more". Heh. You're correct.

Blogger ex-pastor October 13, 2019 12:24 PM  

When the Constitution was drafted “cruel & unusual” did not include public whipping; public hanging; arms, head, and/or feet in stocks at the town square; and the like. None of those were unusual and few thought them cruel.

Blogger Latigo3 October 13, 2019 1:20 PM  

Yeah, I don't trust anyone that wants to work with kids.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 13, 2019 1:45 PM  

Notice that it's and, not or. If it's usual, cruel is OK.

That term is so subjective it could be twisted any old way. You could argue, for example, that flinging them off rooftops isn't considered cruel and unusual in a large chunk of the planet.

Blogger Raker_T October 13, 2019 4:12 PM  

@dienw That's good information. I've taught a couple of art classes myself, to homeschool groups. But local groups are tactical, "drawing future plans" is strategic. Having an online place to share current works, discuss directions of how art influences society, and how theology influences art would be a widespread inspiration.
Some years back, maybe 5, I did a search for "Christian artists". The huge majority of what I found was about music. I finally found a group more about visual arts, but it was converged. The clearest memory I have is a thread about designing a logo for a fitness place. The gal's design was of a naked woman's silhouette doing a workout or gymnastics. I confronted the idea, and was told that "she has a leotard on". As bad as the graphic was the lack of other replies.
I could start a blog myself, installing Wordpress isn't too difficult; and I already have ideas for categories and posts. There are several problems with that, though. The first is that I'm very busy as it is, I'm making a push to work on alternate communication, besides trying to keep the wolf from the door. Second, is that my knowledge is best described as sketchy. Passable here and there, but not comprehensive. I couldn't tell you the difference between baroque and rococo.
Lastly, the crowd. This blog is awesome. Am I the only one who thinks there's enough content here for two killer blogs? I remember a comment from last week like "reality is painful, the narrative eases the pain". I love this stuff! These are the people here who could discuss art's influence on society, but I'm not sure they would go to a blog run by scruffy guy. I guess I could get a smock, a beret, cut back on the hygiene regimen, and change my name. Rakairre Ze Artiste. The crowd brings traffic here, and earning traffic is no small feat, it would be parasitic to send that traffic elsewhere.

Blogger The Last Roman October 13, 2019 4:43 PM  

When the collapse becomes evident, I will find it somewhat comforting knowing that we had it coming. Our complacency, mercy, and unwillingness to fight the degenerates who run the go8,schools, and arts will bring it about.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 13, 2019 6:13 PM  

Still rolling the idea around.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 13, 2019 10:25 PM  

That term is so subjective it could be twisted any old way. You could argue, for example, that flinging them off rooftops isn't considered cruel and unusual in a large chunk of the planet.

It doesn't matter what the mohammedans do, but if we usually do it, it doesn't matter how cruel it is.

Unusual punishments are OK, if they're not cruel. Cruel punishments are OK, if they're not unusual.

Blogger CDM October 14, 2019 8:44 AM  

I will never understand why people hand over their children to strangers for whatever purpose. Any man that loves being around someone elses children all day is already suspect in my mind.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel October 14, 2019 12:37 PM  

@13

There's the problem. EVERYBODY is under suspicion, because of a relative few, even those that haven't even had even the whiff of scandal about them.

I know people who recognize the need for men to help the vast army of the unguided boys who have no paternal influence (thanks to widespread illegimacy that Flanagan couldn't imagine a century ago and the doctrines of so-called "family courts" that see men as unnecessary, and schools that treat boys as diseases to be mitigated) but can't get involved because the traditional avenues-scouting as a perfect example-are tarnished or debased or won't get involved because they will not risk personal suspecion.

So we get armies of animals running in violent packs or emasculated soyboys living in a sort of permanent adolescence, unable to grasp the reins of manhood.



Blogger Raker_T October 14, 2019 1:40 PM  

FWIW, second hand story at best; my brother knew a guy that was involved in a charity that teams a man or woman with a teen that has no good parental influence. The man found out that the teen he mentored was involved in drug dealing, so he told the police. He was then counter accused of being a perv.
This is a big need, and there are some good stories out there. A man who lived across the street from my mother was a concrete worker. Looked like a Viking, build like a rock, had callouses like harness leather. He took me on as an employee at his cousin's concrete company. I went from cooked noodle physique to hard labor all day in 100 degree F heat. Make as much money as you can when it was warm, then go duck hunting when it was cold. This guy drug me all over the place. He never did anything strange, wasn't part of a ministry, never got a dime for it. As for me, I can't put a price on the benefits.
A lot of problems can be solved with some sort of solution. When I taught the second art class, the mothers asked if I wanted one of them in the class, and I was quite glad to have one there at all times. She learned some interesting stuff as well as the students.

Blogger Eugenius BEar October 15, 2019 5:20 PM  

FWIW....your experience is/was the same for many Catholics in the 90's

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