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Friday, October 04, 2019

No-evidence debunked disinformation propaganda

We haven't seen the Democrats this publicly shook since they claimed Pizzagate was "debunked" about thirty seconds after news of it broke:
Democrats say the State Department watchdog used a closed-door briefing on Wednesday to give them "conspiracy theories" tied to Ukraine, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and former Vice President Joe Biden.

"It's essentially a packet of propaganda and disinformation and spreading conspiracy theories. Those conspiracy theories have been widely debunked and discredited," Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) told reporters after an hourlong briefing with State Department Inspector General Steve Linick.

The closed-door, hour-long briefing was part of a hastily assembled meeting requested by the State Department watchdog.

Ahead of the meeting, there had been speculation that it could be tied to a whistleblower complaint about President Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukraine's president, which is at the forefront of the impeachment probe.

Instead, Democrats say the packet of documents handed over by the State Department watchdog mentions Biden and his son Hunter Biden, Yovanovitch and CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm that investigated breaches at the DNC in the lead up to the 2016 election.

"They appear to contain long-debunked theories and false statements about the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and one of President Trump's political opponents," said Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), whose staff attended the briefing.... A Democratic source familiar with the briefing said that the documents came from the White House to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. The paperwork was organized in multiple Trump Hotel folders and included together in an envelope labeled "White House."

"Those folders contained notes from interviews that took place at Rudy Giuliani's NYC office with various Ukrainians about debunked conspiracies related to Ukraine. This was just another attempt by the White House to peddle Rudy Giuliani conspiracy theories," the source added.

Republicans have doubled down on calls for an investigation into Biden's role in the ouster of a Ukraine prosecutor in 2016, despite no evidence of wrongdoing.
The media seems to think that if it just says the magic words often enough, the problem goes away. We already know that Creepy Joe lied. We already know that his adulterous, crackhead son who banged his brother's widow was being paid ludicrous sums of money for doing nothing by the Ukrainians.

The word "debunked" clearly no longer means what it used to mean. But what level of truth can you reasonably expect from people who also claim that "man" means "woman", "cat" means "dog", and the number six means "purple".

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71 Comments:

Blogger The Lab Manager October 04, 2019 5:46 AM  

Yet, they will drag this drivel through the news for as long as possible.

Now if we could only get refuge settlements to zero people, more reduction in legal and illegal immigration, and please have someone kick the Republicans in the nuts for voting for more Greencards for IT workers. Too bad we can't have a Congress or a government that works for us.

Blogger maniacprovost October 04, 2019 6:05 AM  

what level of truth can you reasonably expect from people who also claim that "man" means "woman"

Depends what the definition of "is" is.

Actually it takes a degree of artistry to lie in so many interesting ways.

Blogger Rick October 04, 2019 6:11 AM  

“We debunk this long time, Joe. You see, you try, you like, Joe.”

This is a street corner sales pitch for a quickie.

Blogger Brett baker October 04, 2019 6:28 AM  

I thought 7 was purple?

Blogger Ranger October 04, 2019 6:28 AM  

Why is Trump's State Department having closed door meeting with Democrats to give them the info Giuliani's dug up on them?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 04, 2019 6:32 AM  

#5 Because it is not a political operation it is a government anti-corruption investigation, of the Ukrainian honey pot that a lot of Ds and the usual Rs have their beaks into.

And the AOC "They eat babies" video is hilarious. Every D event should get some agree and amplify to no less than 11.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume October 04, 2019 6:46 AM  

Ranger wrote:Why is Trump's State Department having closed door meeting with Democrats to give them the info Giuliani's dug up on them?


I think they punked the Democrats. Given how much hay the MSM was making on the closed door session, which I believe kept being reported as an 'emergency session' or some such with State Department officials.

Looks like they hijacked it with actual investigative material which forced the Dems to talk about it.

That President Trump is one cagey MF.

Blogger Avalanche October 04, 2019 6:56 AM  

@4 "I thought 7 was purple?"

On Tuesdays. This briefing was on Wednesday. Please try to keep up. Did you not read your 0400 marching orders?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 04, 2019 7:00 AM  

At conservative treehouse they linked to a tweet about Pelosi's family in on the Ukrainian looting operation, thru board memberships, it just goes on and on. I'll just assume all these chumps made overseas NSA collected out in the open extortion and bribery offers since they think they are untouchables till TGE came along, and that TGE will leak this out till the Big Club Ds start stabbing one another in the back and his opponent is a George McGovern but without the sanity or war record to fall back on.

Suck it Black Pillers.

Blogger Jim October 04, 2019 7:01 AM  

Brett baker wrote:I thought 7 was purple?

Numbers are racist, bigot.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 04, 2019 7:03 AM  

Giuliani actually comes across very strong in recent interviews. Yesterday Lou Dobbs said to him: "The statistics are on his side" and Giuliani answered "and the truth". I liked that.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 04, 2019 7:12 AM  

While we're at it, why doesn't Sen. Bob Menendez tell us that he's never been indicted for sleeping with underage prostitutes.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 04, 2019 7:25 AM  

What's worse than these people?
The people who vote for them.

Blogger basementhomebrewer October 04, 2019 7:29 AM  

Why is Trump's State Department having closed door meeting with Democrats to give them the info Giuliani's dug up on them?

Sounds like you have never heard of a rick roll. "We have some juicy details on Ukraine corruption involving the White House, just click the link".

This was a rick roll with an underlying threat. I doubt he shared everything they have on the situation. I am sure it was just enough for them to get the message and understand how screwed they truly are at this point.

Blogger JACIII October 04, 2019 7:51 AM  

One wonders if this is just a continuance of The post cold war looting of eastern Europe under color of "reform" and "aid" or a separate event from business as usual of the empire.

If it is just a continuance, the dominoes won't organically stop falling for quite some time.

Blogger Sillon October 04, 2019 7:52 AM  

I've mentioned it a couple of times here I think, but it is worth to mention it again; "The GE might not fix everything, but sure he's entertaining, and for once seeing the leftards shriek warms my heart"

D. Trump forever holds a place in my heart.

God bless America.

Blogger JACIII October 04, 2019 7:55 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:Why is Trump's State Department having closed door meeting with Democrats to give them the info Giuliani's dug up on them?

Sounds like you have never heard of a rick roll. "We have some juicy details on Ukraine corruption involving the White House, just click the link".

This was a rick roll with an underlying threat. I doubt he shared everything they have on the situation. I am sure it was just enough for them to get the message and understand how screwed they truly are at this point.


Enough threats. The republic may not have the stomach for their physical destruction, but punishment is called for.

Blogger Silent Draco October 04, 2019 7:56 AM  

"A Democratic source familiar with ..." equals "you burned a source and opened another line of inquiry". If the packaging really was as described, it was the fragrant lure in the rat trap.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman October 04, 2019 7:59 AM  

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Blogger Daniel October 04, 2019 8:10 AM  

The last time a Democrat debunked anyone, it was his victim at summer camp.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 04, 2019 8:13 AM  

"despite no evidence of wrongdoing"

Yes, it's exactly the pattern we saw with Pizzagate. They sprinkle claims like this throughout, pre-declaring the lack of evidence else even as they argue against the evidence at hand. Spooked indeed.

Blogger Daniel October 04, 2019 8:16 AM  

Baby Down?

The Corn never Pops far from the stalk, I guess.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman October 04, 2019 8:17 AM  

Hunter is clearly a corrupt, compromised crackhead however, he definitely has good taste when it comes to women. His current belle..mighty fine.
On another note, nothing makes my morning happier than seeing these demon spawn eat each other alive. The Trumpenator sure knows how to make it happen!

Blogger michimartini October 04, 2019 8:25 AM  

Because you were thinking in terms of resistance.

Blogger Hieroglyph October 04, 2019 8:32 AM  

First time, personally speaking, I've ever observed the Dems appear nervous. Pizzagate, whilst true, could be dismissed as conspiracy, because who would believe it? Many normies still don't. However, Biden, Nancy, John Kerry and Crooked all being on the take - perfectly plausible to far more people.

One difference. Pizzagate is truly disturbing, and I bet I don't know the half of it. Ukrainegate on the other hand is hilarious.

Blogger Alexamenos October 04, 2019 8:47 AM  

*****The paperwork was organized in multiple Trump Hotel folders****

Lol....sounds like Trump et al are effing with them.

Blogger Dave Dave October 04, 2019 8:52 AM  

Shifty Schiff was discredited the moment he opened his rodent mouth. Democrats only did this fake impeachment case to distract from the huge fucking disaster of their presidential candidates.

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2019 9:02 AM  

> Enough threats. The republic may not have the stomach for their physical destruction, but punishment is called for.

Rush was going on about this yesterday. Even he doesn't seem to understand how important the appearance of a rule of law is. If it's apparent the law is meaningless for Democrats, but will be used with all force for Republicans, then the "might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" rule comes into play.

How much more time would James Fields be serving if he'd simply mowed down the whole crowd in front of him?

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( 'A Pillowed Dawn', the Boomer Horror movie ) October 04, 2019 9:15 AM  

time to attach "debunked" to CNN and muh-Russia conspiracy and various other Dem scandals.

Joe Biden's debunked claim that he's not a creepy uncle.

Blogger Bucephalus October 04, 2019 9:17 AM  

Hi James, I heard him say that also yesterday and it is pretty aggravating. He seems to think that the biggest punishment is to defeat them in elections, no, it should be to show that their shitty corrupt Ways Are not going to go unnoticed and they will face consequences, And punishment, like any other average person would for way less.
It was pretty outrageous of him to say.

Blogger CarpeOro October 04, 2019 9:42 AM  

So Hunter was divorced by his wife after going on a drug and prostitute bender, began dating his brother's widow, and then married a member of the ((tribe)) out of South Africa. Definitely nothing to *cough* see here. To much smoke to see much anyways.

Blogger David Ray Milton October 04, 2019 9:49 AM  

It’s just a conspiracy theory...
It’s just a conspiracy theory...
It’s just a conspiracy theory...

“Conspiracy Theory” could be used as a Google search for a path to truth.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( 'A Pillowed Dawn', the Boomer Horror movie ) October 04, 2019 10:11 AM  

it sounds like the widow is of the Black Widow variety.

she would have known that Hunter had a wife and children.

she would have known that Hunter had serious drug habit.

she would have known that Hunter was relapsing, due to her sister-in-law kicking Hunter out of the house.

IF she can establish some sort of "relationship" with Hunter
AND
encourage his drug binging
THEN
how much longer until he "accidently" overdoses and she gets a part of his inheritance as well as Beau's?

Blogger Unknown October 04, 2019 10:11 AM  

"Republicans have doubled down on calls for an investigation into Biden's role in the ouster of a Ukraine prosecutor in 2016, despite no evidence of wrongdoing."

No evidence at all, except for that inconvenient video of Biden bragging about doing the very thing he claims he didn't do. Most people would call that confessing to the crime.

Clearly these media people are not tall enough for this ride.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 October 04, 2019 10:23 AM  

Yeah Biden didn't know... say there's actually a really cool meme about this on youtube now as quoted by Mark Dice. Nickelback fans rejoice! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTD6q3r02mc

Blogger wreckage October 04, 2019 10:39 AM  

In multiple Trump Hotel folders. I can't breathe. Total psychological dominance. They will not be able to shut up about it. Master of puppets, pulling the strings...

Blogger Mystic On Main October 04, 2019 10:39 AM  

"The media seems to think that if it just says the magic words often enough, the problem goes away...."

Except we know from watching the media and consumers of media that often repetition does result in stickiness. Whether a claim is true or false, it can become a matter of fact for a good percentage of people. This cuts both ways of course, depending on which side of the divide you stand.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 04, 2019 10:39 AM  

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:While we're at it, why doesn't Sen. Bob Menendez tell us that he's never been indicted for sleeping with underage prostitutes.

With 120,000 sealed indictments out there, that's not likely true.

Welsh Woodsman wrote:On another note, nothing makes my morning happier than seeing these demon spawn eat each other alive.

When they're eating each other, they aren't eating babies, so it's a double win!

A book title: The No Good, Horrible, Very Bad TRUTH.

Subtitle: and the lying traitors who denied it.

Blogger Rhino Bear October 04, 2019 10:40 AM  

"I do not think that word means what you think it means"

Inconceivable!!!

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 04, 2019 10:45 AM  

If it is possible to climb any farther out on the proverbial branch, the Democrats will find a way.

Blogger spinoza October 04, 2019 10:55 AM  

50000? He is selling informational marketing related to nuclear energy and gets away with it because Clinton does the same thing.

Blogger tublecane October 04, 2019 10:59 AM  

If you're the proper authority (invested by yourself to yourself), then to deny or reject or even question something is to debunk it.

Is Rudy Giuliani associated with "conspiracy theory" nowadays? Or was there truly a secret society of Italians (and others) controlling crime in various large American cities?

I enjoy the fact that we're informed about the folders. Folders, binders, dossiers...we are constantly talking about paper-holders.

By the way, why aren't they leading with "only white supremacists believe this stuff?"

Blogger dienw October 04, 2019 11:16 AM  

Rhino Bear wrote:"I do not think that word means what you think it means"

Inconceivable!!!


Never engage in a land war with Russia.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 04, 2019 11:22 AM  

Conspiracy theory is just another name for an indictment.

Paging AG Barr. Paging AG Barr.

Blogger Jandolin October 04, 2019 11:29 AM  

Best way to oppose left wing lunacy.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820884/eat-babies

Blogger Rakshasa October 04, 2019 11:31 AM  

You know it's serious business when they even troll using trump hotel folders. Let's look forward to when they all get locked up in brand new and under budget trump correctional facilities.

Blogger Starboard October 04, 2019 12:03 PM  

Article key words: conspiracy theory, debunked, propaganda, hastily assembled, impeachment, long-debunked theories and false statements, don't know where the documents came from, Guiliani, Pompeo, White House, Trump Tower folders, irrelevant distraction, confused, etc.

Followed by the following MSN poll at the bottom of the page:
Do you believe the papers turned over by the State Dept. watchdog should be taken seriously?
Yes
Maybe
Not necessarily
Not at all
No opinion

In other words, "Did we convince you the documents mean nothing?"

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 04, 2019 12:12 PM  

Resistance is futile. Just say ohm.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 04, 2019 12:20 PM  

Ohm.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 04, 2019 12:26 PM  

Putting all the files in Trump Hotel manilla folders was a nice touch.

Blogger Robert What? October 04, 2019 12:31 PM  

People call me an immature jackass, but I claim that has been debunked.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 04, 2019 12:44 PM  

Biden’s idiocy cannot be overstated or exaggerated. Even Obama knew this. With this idiot as veep, Obama never needed Secret Service protection.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 04, 2019 12:45 PM  

Yep, the Dems have a bad case of blue balls about now...

Blogger Lance E October 04, 2019 12:59 PM  

But PolitiFact rated those claims "false!" What other proof could you possibly need, stupid commoners?

Blogger Nate73 October 04, 2019 1:35 PM  

Wait Hunter's new wife is Melissa Cohen? As in (((Cohen)))?

Blogger Joe Smith October 04, 2019 3:17 PM  

The word “debunked” seems to mean “is absolutely true” nowadays so... welcome to the club!

Blogger SciVo October 04, 2019 3:51 PM  

If there is a hypothesis that the D.C. elite has a pedosex ring, and you can "debunk" it by hiring an out-of-work actor to fire a single round from a rifle into the floor of a pizza joint, then the word has no meaning.

Blogger map October 04, 2019 4:22 PM  

Hunter Biden was working with Zlochevsky to use Burisma as a front for laundering money. This includes payoffs from the Ukrainian government, rerouting American foreign aid into personal accounts, and probably outright theft of items like Ukrainian gold. Zlochevsky, however, got greedy. He wanted more payola and he threatened Hunter Biden with exposure. Hunter Biden tells Joe Biden, who then goes to the British government and has them freeze Zlochevsky’s assets to help Hunter Biden regain leverage. In addition, Joe Biden tries to pressure Shokin to open a corruption investigation against Zlochevsky to gain additional leverage, but Shokin does not play ball. Joe Biden then pressures the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin and bring in a prosecutor who will actually fabricate a corruption case against Zlochevsky. Once Zlochevsky is brought to heel, then a “settlement” is reached.

This structure is repeated, btw, with the Chinese and probably a dozen other countries. This is how Obama and Clinton got paid off, when the illegal proceeds are further laundered as speaking fees and book sales to former presidents.

That is why a formal investigation of these activities is needed, if only to properly exonerate the Bidens of any wrongdoing. This will happen once Biden falls behind Warren in the polls. Then we will see how loyal a Democrat Biden really is.

Blogger Obama's boyfriend October 04, 2019 4:36 PM  

What amazes me is that there isn't a Demorat with an once of honesty that desires what is best for this country rather than what is best for his party and his own selfish interests.

Our government is corrupt, if it were not we would not tolerate such creatures, nor would our institutions tolerate such slugs. This goes for both parties and the faceless bureaucrats who crawl through the halls of power like so many bedbugs.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( 'A Pillowed Dawn', the Boomer Horror movie ) October 04, 2019 5:00 PM  

45. Jandolin October 04, 2019 11:29 AM
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820884/eat-babies



a woman who is not even American demands that we start eating babies because we only have a "few months" left to survive.

any bets as to her ((( true ))) nationality?

Blogger justaguy October 04, 2019 5:06 PM  

Great move by Trump. No one cares about the details except for wonks like me but everyone understands drug addict son getting millions and dad having prosecutor fired as being shady. Trump calling for investigations just makes media shout louder that he is bad for asking for investigations. People remember lots f investigations on him-- see something shady... No one believes the cable news anymore-- it is like papers used to be-- each side had one and all they did was tell their narrative-- not news.

The more Trump gets through to the common guy who doesn't follow news-- the better.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 04, 2019 5:43 PM  

Hunter Biden is daddy's "bag man."

Blogger Ty Richards October 04, 2019 6:13 PM  

Let’s just send them all to the moon.

Blogger weka October 04, 2019 7:31 PM  

Sending them to the moon without supplies is expensive. Helicopter rides are cheap.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell October 04, 2019 7:43 PM  

Absolutely. People still think the Covington kids approached Chief Stolen Valor to mock him despite video of the opposite being the case. MPAI and all that.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell October 04, 2019 7:45 PM  

"Debunked"

So what else explains Hunter Biden getting a cushy job with no qualifications in a country his father was involved in? Magic?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 04, 2019 8:29 PM  

Zip Recruiter

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2019 9:29 PM  

> Helicopter rides are cheap.

Bullets are cheaper. A reusable rope is cheaper yet.

Blogger wreckage October 04, 2019 10:24 PM  

They say debunked so many times it sounds like the whole piece is being read aloud by a basketball bouncing down a stairwell.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 04, 2019 10:27 PM  

depends. How do you feel about 7?

Blogger OvergrownHobbit October 04, 2019 11:08 PM  

@68 The Grand Canyon is free. You don't need helicopters to harness the power of gravity.

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