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Monday, October 28, 2019

Ridicule is rhetoric

Because apparently the stories told by the McMartin daycare kids were supported by the evidence after all:
If the name McMartin Preschool rings a bell, it's because the school gained infamy as ground zero for the child abuse case that kicked off the so-called Satanic Panic.

360 children were alleged to have been abused at McMartin daycare. Many of the children claimed that they'd been subjected to sexual and satanic ritual abuse in a system of tunnels under the school. When investigators declared that excavations turned up nothing, the claim of secret tunnels became a byword for spurious ritual abuse claims.

Now, after a generation of ridicule, the FBI has confirmed the tunnels' existence, vindicating the children's testimony.
The world is not only more evil than you believe, it is more evil than you probably imagine. We may be IN it, but we most certainly do not want to be OF it.

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185 Comments:

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 28, 2019 10:32 AM  

I wasn't old enough to have really heard of this one. Reading the article, and man, I'm only two paragraphs in and I have to say it's way more evil than a lot of people will realize without reading the actual article.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky October 28, 2019 10:33 AM  

As a friend once remarked: "Unused to think world had conspiracies like Tom Clancy novels. Now I realize the true conspiracies are more like H.P. Lovecraft stories."

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums October 28, 2019 10:36 AM  

Take comfort in knowing that Terry A. Davis got at least one of those glow-in-the-dark's with his car. He was doing the Lord's work on all levels.

Blogger Nate October 28, 2019 10:42 AM  

Ever noticed how much law enforcement types hate the FBI?

This is why.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky October 28, 2019 10:51 AM  

The FBI also interferes with their investigations. If local PD investigates a local drug dealer, and the FBI was already surveiling him, the FBI will step in to push them out of the investigation. Allegedly it's so the locals don't force the suspect underground before the Feds are ready to bust the whole ring. But I suspect in some cases the feds are getting protection money from the scumsbags.

Blogger FUBARwest October 28, 2019 10:56 AM  

The information the FBI released is incredibly disturbing. Equally disturbing is the push to cover it all up using "satanic panic". Apparently the media has been a weapon at least since the 80's for these types of operations. Trump calling the media the enemy of the people was way more accurate than originally thought.

Blogger Latigo3 October 28, 2019 10:56 AM  

I remember this case, I was in high-school> There were a lot of angry people back then and then it went away. Nothing to see here. The truth always comes out.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 28, 2019 10:57 AM  

Looks like the FBI had been sitting on all of this for decades. The swamp is actually being drained. Hard to believe but it is.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 28, 2019 11:00 AM  

From what I understand, the psychologists (or psychiatrists?) who debunked the children's testimony also had ties to a NAMBLA-like organization.

That fact alone should have raised eyebrows during the court proceedings but the media and the defense attorneys successfully covered it up.

And don't get me started on all the incidents where people who were looking into child exploitation networks wound up committing suicide or getting murdered. It makes the Clinton kill list look like child's play.

Blogger Latigo3 October 28, 2019 11:05 AM  

How did this document see the light of day? I just followed the links and now I have the PDF. More light needs to be shined on these scum.

Blogger ar10308 October 28, 2019 11:06 AM  

@6 Years ago, Anonymous Conservative and The Conservative Treehouse confirmed that when the FBI wants to run an intel op, they typically release it through the NYTimes. The CIA uses the Washington Post.

The media has long been a mouthpiece of the government as much they claim to question and hold it accountable. They are a weapon wielded by the powers and principalities of this world.

Blogger cecilhenry October 28, 2019 11:17 AM  

Will this be all over the MSM headlines?


It should be.

I won't hold my breath. The implications of this will be pushed down the memory hole as fast s possible.


After all, that's what 'journalists' are for.

Blogger anorganicbear October 28, 2019 11:18 AM  

Pizzagate rebunked

Blogger Salt October 28, 2019 11:24 AM  

They're not called Fibbies for nothing.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov October 28, 2019 11:25 AM  

Latigo3 wrote:How did this document see the light of day? I just followed the links and now I have the PDF. More light needs to be shined on these scum.

Simple. Trump beat the Clinton/Bush Crime Cabal.

Blogger Gordon Napier October 28, 2019 11:27 AM  

The presentations on related matters by the late Ted Gunderson (former head of the FBI in Memphis and Dallas) are worth looking at, though they are often very chilling. He was attempting to expose this stuff years ago. He believed that there was indeed a widespread satanic cult operating in the US and internationally, and being involved in ritualistic child abuse. He confirmed the previous existence of tunnels at the McMartin daycare centre, matching the descriptions of the alleged victims, having hired an archaeologist from UCLA who examined the site before it was bulldozed, there being a two week window of opportunity for such an investigation. The tunnels had apparently existed and then been filled in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YLpvKAR5fA&list=PL84-GlYqPWD-vlyL7MND0yoF7WiVpl8cG

Blogger CM October 28, 2019 11:27 AM  

Well that just put my childhood memories in some pretty huge context. Stuart, Fl?

I was in elementary school not far from there starting in 88-89. Our PE coach would regale us with horror stories of kidnappings and why he wouldn't let us use bathrooms while in his class and that we should always be in pairs when in the halls.

He tried to get the district to have tighter security, but they wouldn't listen and so he went directly to us.

Blogger Newscaper312 October 28, 2019 11:30 AM  

Making heads or tails of the world gets messier and messier by the day.
On one hand you've got this, where maybe there really was some fire along with the smoke after all (haven't followed the link yet for details), but at the same time there HAVE been tons of cases where some white guy gets crucified on the basis of some liberal shrink claiming to have dug up 'repressed memories'. And I do remember at the time in the later 80s the cottage industry of cop "consultants' running around the country making $$s fanning hysteria. Lies and fog on all sides.

Blogger Twisted Root October 28, 2019 11:31 AM  

How well I remember the satanic panic. I make a prediction that not one of the sneering rationalists who latched on to it to demonstrate their superiority over those supposedly caught up in it will make a belated apology to the children they helped silence. The creepy loner paedo who lives in the ramshackle house on the corner should be less reviled.

Blogger Newscaper312 October 28, 2019 11:31 AM  

Maybe the false accusations used to lull us against the valid worse ones?

Blogger dtungsten October 28, 2019 11:32 AM  

I'm pretty sure that's the stuff Scott Adams was saying was fake, that the abuses weren't real and it was just mass hysteria.

If they were real, that doesn't reflect well on him.

Blogger andrisf October 28, 2019 11:34 AM  

My question is what happened to all those children? Did they all disappeared? They are all adults now, why nobody will talk? Why FBI hid this, i mean if you are bad guys why document it, just say no tunnels and that is it, yet they document and then keep silent, why?
Also why do that in schools? There are literally hundreds of thousand children in world who nobody cares about and nobody will look for etc.
Also a question i can not find answer to is this, and maybe somebody who is christian will help me with this - if you as a human do bad things and do not repent you go to hell, you get punished by God, but why is devil not punished, he seems to be rather busy doing unspeakable evil?

Blogger Dave Dave October 28, 2019 11:37 AM  

They laugh off the Satanic Panic then they lock up cardinals on blatantly political judgements in a mockery of the legal system. They weren't even trying to hide how evil they are.

Blogger Paulito October 28, 2019 11:39 AM  

@22 A test isn't valid unless you can choose the wrong answer. Existence is a test.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 11:42 AM  

I can remember people using the claimed lack of tunnels to debunk the McMartin stuff and state that all claims of child abuse were just superstition and Christian nonsense. And I may have been swayed by the so-called debunking back then as well.

This all proves the statement: When the government denies X it is time to believe X.

Blogger MJ October 28, 2019 11:44 AM  

"The claim of secret tunnels became a byword for spurious ritual abuse claims."

Hmmm, just like pizzagate, which has been totally debunked, of course.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 11:44 AM  

Dan in Georgia wrote:Looks like the FBI had been sitting on all of this for decades. The swamp is actually being drained. Hard to believe but it is.

Why in the world would they re-open that now, when the coverup was not only successful, but forgotten? Either the swamp is being drained, or they are rubbing our noses in what they got away with.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 11:45 AM  

Crew wrote:This all proves the statement: When the government denies X it is time to believe X.

Believe no rumor until it's denied.

Blogger Ska_Boss October 28, 2019 11:45 AM  

Forget UFO disclosure, I'm waiting for international governments to confirm Cthulhu is real. Probably somewhere in Antarctica.

Blogger Joe Smith October 28, 2019 11:48 AM  

What I don't get is why they even bother to do an actual investigation at all. The whole ploy is: investigate, seal the investigation for decades while The Narrative settles (maybe even add in some active disinformation, as in this case), then finally start releasing information once no one is going to bother looking at it. I understand the point of the slow drip, but why is there even a real investigation?

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 11:48 AM  

I'm not holding my breath until Snopes debunks this.

Blogger SC October 28, 2019 11:49 AM  

@22: Mister Metokur is attempting to track down the surviving kids and is enlisting his viewers to help. He's scheduled a follow up stream for Halloween.

Blogger Caffeineforge October 28, 2019 11:49 AM  

Metokurs Livestream on this was great. A real must listen.

Blogger KPP October 28, 2019 11:54 AM  

Also a question i can not find answer to is this, and maybe somebody who is christian will help me with this - if you as a human do bad things and do not repent you go to hell, you get punished by God, but why is devil not punished, he seems to be rather busy doing unspeakable evil?

While Satan is at large in the world and God allows Satan to work and influence those who love Satan to do evil, Satan will not go unpunished. Unrepentant sinners reap what they sow: they receive their punishment by being "thrown into the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Unrepentant sinners share in the punishment designed for Satan.

God is just. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 12:02 PM  

@15: And Trump's magic wand seems to work very well as well:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/was_it_trumps_magic_wand_that_turned_the_washington_post_into_a_laughingstock.html

Perhaps the FBI will also quietly release more info on the JFK assassination coverup.

Blogger basementhomebrewer October 28, 2019 12:08 PM  

Metokurs Livestream on this was great. A real must listen.

It was, I had skimmed the documents when they started getting buzz Saturday and didn't notice what he points out about the McMartin part. It is jammed into the middle of the Finders document with no apparent connection to the finders and interrupting what would have been the natural flow of the documents. It suggests that either someone misfiled it because there were multiple child sex trafficking operations being investigated/covered up, or someone at the FBI snuck it into the release to throw some light on it.

I also thought it was entertaining that Jim's stream stirred people up to spam hexxenhammer since he is continually ridiculing the "satanic panic" . Hexxenhammer actually released a video today trying to justify himself claiming that the church of satan forbids hurting children so these weren't "true satanist". Never once did has he considered that the Church of Satan is a group of useful idiot atheists who provide cover for people who actually worship Satan.

Blogger Sillon October 28, 2019 12:10 PM  

Jordie says it was all made up, I believe him because reasons, institutions never lie, blah, blah, blah muh bow-tie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-PaKUMHZcc

/sarc off

Blogger [Redacted] October 28, 2019 12:11 PM  

Joe Smith wrote:What I don't get is why they even bother to do an actual investigation at all. The whole ploy is: investigate, seal the investigation for decades while The Narrative settles (maybe even add in some active disinformation, as in this case), then finally start releasing information once no one is going to bother looking at it. I understand the point of the slow drip, but why is there even a real investigation?

Speculation: They do this because there are multiple layers to how the propaganda works. First, they frame the public's reaction as more damaging than the problem itself. That way, they teach passivity and reactionary whining as the most productive solution. Then they drum up a massive amount of attention for an investigation so that it appears that the defenses of a civilization appear to be functioning. This will dissuade people from looking into things themselves. When a few people try to blow the whistle on the higher authorities covering it up, they are painted as unpatriotic crazies and dismissed. Finally, when it is leaked to the public decades later - as entirely true - all the people originally involved are either dead, retired, missing, etc, so there is no accountability. This event enters in the new propaganda cycle for reforming the system. Since this cycle began with the authorities leak information themselves, and the authorities are a new generation looking to legitimize a new order, it is all self-serving. If there is no problem with the old order, there isn't a reason to demonize them.

Of course, the more probable answer is that they are fucking stupid and I'm overestimating all of this.

Blogger Sillon October 28, 2019 12:12 PM  

@36

Metokur is always fantastic doesn't matter what subject he covers, he's got talent.

Blogger Brick Hardslab October 28, 2019 12:14 PM  

Did they just find the tunnels or did they know all along?

Blogger Servant October 28, 2019 12:15 PM  

So the leftist screeching about tunnels in every right wing compound they shoot up is projection then?

By right wing compound I mean family not really living in society just minding their business.

Blogger Falcor October 28, 2019 12:17 PM  

This reveal supports the info in Fiona Barnett’s autobiography, “Eyes Wide Open.”
See fionabarnett.org

Blogger Ostar October 28, 2019 12:20 PM  

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Blogger Ingot9455 October 28, 2019 12:20 PM  

I'll add that often the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing because both hands are lying. So the right hand has to do a real investigation so it knows what it's covering up.
One could argue that this was Nixon's problem. He started covering up without knowing what happened.

Blogger VD October 28, 2019 12:24 PM  

I'm pretty sure that's the stuff Scott Adams was saying was fake, that the abuses weren't real and it was just mass hysteria.

Scott Adams is reliably wrong. I would not pay any attention to anything he says.

Blogger VD October 28, 2019 12:25 PM  

Forget UFO disclosure, I'm waiting for international governments to confirm Cthulhu is real. Probably somewhere in Antarctica.

(nods)

Used to think world had conspiracies like Tom Clancy novels. Now I realize the true conspiracies are more like H.P. Lovecraft stories.

(nods again)

Blogger VD October 28, 2019 12:29 PM  

Jordie says it was all made up, I believe him because reasons, institutions never lie, blah, blah, blah muh bow-tie.

There is probably a better chance that Prof. Meth has been involved in that sort of thing than not. He's strangely interested in explaining away these "conspiracy theories", even when those involved have already been convicted of child abuse.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 12:33 PM  

The anti-Trump crowd will no doubt say:

"How can we be sure that the evil President Trump did not have is cabal insert that so-called evidence into the document dump to destroy confidence in the very institutions that define America?"

Blogger boogeyman October 28, 2019 12:34 PM  

I remember watching the coverage of the McMartin thing back in middle school. The idea that they needed tunnels to transport kids to a nearby field or building seemed strange to me. Couldn't they just have walked the kids there I thought, since the distance wasn't that great?

Then the kids said they were transported by hot air balloon to some other place miles away, and they talked about being made to watch babies being killed. The hot air balloon thing immediately made me discount the story, since it was so strange and nonsensical. You can't use a balloon to reliably take to you a given spot.

The baby sacrifice also tended to make me doubt the story. In my pre-teen mind I just couldn't understand how anyone could do something like that in connection to what I saw as a sex crime. I mean, I couldn't wrap my brain around how sticking a knife in a baby helped anyone get off. I knew what child molesters were and I knew what serial killers were, I just couldn't imagine a monster so inhuman that they would do both at once because the one made the other feel better. No that I'm older and all of this has come out over the last few years ... my God, what kind of world are we living in? How many demons in the flesh live among us? It makes me want to get down on my knees and thank Him that he hasn't scoured all our cities clean. like He did Sodom and Gomorrah.

Blogger Haus frau October 28, 2019 12:35 PM  

Also why do that in schools?

I think these people get a kick out of polluting normal, well-loved children.

Blogger Sillon October 28, 2019 12:40 PM  

@49
my God, what kind of world are we living in?

We're ruled by degenerates, and degenerates ultimately not only have to get away with what they want, they want to rub it in your face too.

Look at the state of morality in the western world, watch this clip "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja0va3mXnzA" and remember; the other tribes have a very, very different system of morals.

Akin to a different universe with a different set of laws of physics than our own.

As soon as you comprehend this fact you'll understand the rot.

Blogger David Ray Milton October 28, 2019 12:41 PM  

Jordan B. Peterson is not a pedophile, sir! How dare you?? Look how good his daughter turned...

Full stop.

Blogger sammibandit October 28, 2019 12:52 PM  

Also why do that in schools?

I think these people get a kick out of polluting normal, well-loved children.


Captive audience. See Residential Schools for more info, especially Mohawk Residential School in Ontario.

Blogger VD October 28, 2019 1:05 PM  

The hot air balloon thing immediately made me discount the story, since it was so strange and nonsensical.

You don't think they know that will be how normal people react? One of the primary reasons for evil people doing observably strange and incredible things is to proactively discredit anyone who witnesses them and recounts what he has seen.

Blogger Amy October 28, 2019 1:13 PM  

“ You don't think they know that will be how normal people react? One of the primary reasons for evil people doing observably strange and incredible things is to proactively discredit anyone who witnesses them and recounts what he has seen.”

Geez, there ought to be a word for that, or something...

Evil people get off on pulling a fast one, on openly displaying how crafty they are to get away with it right under our very noses. Eventually insanity driven by this need to show off reveals the whole crime. See Poe, Edgar Allen, “The Tell-Tale Heart.”

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 1:25 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Did they just find the tunnels or did they know all along?
The FBI found them at the time. They took over the investigation from the local police. They found the tunnels examined them carefully, then classified the information. Two weeks later the site was bulldozed, it's not clear by whom.

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 1:25 PM  

This is huge news. Unless you are older and know about this case and others (see Maury Terry and the Arlis Perry and Son of Sam case), then most of SRA cases were summarily dismissed and very large cash settlements ended up being paid to the accused. Now shockingly, it ends up being real.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 1:27 PM  

It very startlingly reminds one of the Newtown elementary school, which just had to be demolished and replaced at great expense few weeks after the shootings.

Blogger Brick Hardslab October 28, 2019 1:33 PM  

So all that money was paid out and now we know the feebs knew all along. Pure evil. Somebody had to say, 'bury this' we need to find out who.

Blogger Stilicho October 28, 2019 1:39 PM  

What would be found if Comet Ping Pong were actually investigated?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 28, 2019 1:43 PM  

Caffeineforge wrote:Metokurs Livestream on this was great. A real must listen.

Is there a link somewhere for this? I know Jim doesn't keep anything on YouTube anymore.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 1:47 PM  

@61: It's on bitchute:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3iqUcok0nwjs/

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 1:47 PM  

The title is perfect!

Blogger Silent Draco October 28, 2019 1:48 PM  

Hot air balloon? At the time, 80s and 90s, parachute games and play were very popular for kids. These were hot purchase items and in a lot of "new games" type books. It'd be easy to rig up a van and the back cargo doors to have kids think they were climbing into a balloon. Same fabric type, just tell a consistent lie to kids. The story gets discredited because it sounds unreal. The best camo and concealment work that way.

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 1:52 PM  

Re 64, this is certainly true. Giant earth balls were also used with New Games as well as parachutes. That book was highly influential to the degree that parachute games were very common.

Blogger Matrick October 28, 2019 2:02 PM  

Wouldn't the use of hot air balloons be a detail that is easily confirmed by witnesses? Anybody living in the area would have noticed them.

Blogger dienw October 28, 2019 2:11 PM  

@29
Ska_Boss wrote:Forget UFO disclosure, I'm waiting for international governments to confirm Cthulhu is real. Probably somewhere in Antarctica.
Per your request

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 2:17 PM  

Matrick wrote:Wouldn't the use of hot air balloons be a detail that is easily confirmed by witnesses? Anybody living in the area would have noticed them.

One way to get the children to say that would be to actually use a hot air balloon. You could also fake it like Silent Draco suggested in @64, or during the investigation you could convince the children to say it. Or, you could just lie and claim they said it.

However you get there, you have a ridiculous story that normal people will not believe. If the investigation is only to find out what needs to be covered up, this might be helpful in the cover up.

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 2:23 PM  

I call BullS$%t on this whole article, the whole McMartin fiasco was started by some emotionally disturbed employee that worked for the McMartins, all of it was made up out of whole cloth with the prosecutor using this for political hay, if you remember they had on TV them digging up that lot and there was no tunnels. None of that was hidden and if they had even a shred of evidence Bucky would still be sitting in prison. The whole case and most of these Satanic ritual cases were akin to the witch trails of the 17th century. People were freaking out and prosecutors were using the hysteria for their own political gain by making up charges on innocent people that didn't have the resources to defend themselves while in some cases stealing their children. If anything you could view these as misdirection from the real child abuse that was going on by CPS and other organizations.

Also, the McMartin's paid a heavy price and by spreading this type of utter crap about them again just continues the injustices that they have suffered. You should really consider that when spreading these type of lies.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 2:28 PM  

And now, the trolls appear, ...

Blogger sammibandit October 28, 2019 2:33 PM  

Thanks

Blogger sammibandit October 28, 2019 2:35 PM  

@gunner451,

Care to explain the etiology of dissociative identity disorder, given you're so sure of yourself? Fwiw you ought to have that at the ready. I'll wait.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 28, 2019 2:37 PM  

The left uses their own brand of agree and amplify to make a story seem ridiculous. So that too could be a rhetorical weapon.
If the story had stuck to rituals and tunnels it would have been harder to ridicule.
I recall a film made about this incident and how one of the parents was made out to be a shotgun wielding Bible thumping paranoid nutjob.
This is why there are a lot of people in the media needing to be arrested and charged. Especially before the masses fall for their last and most perfidious trick: the put the grabblers in camps trick....while the elite grabblers escape of course. When we see the media start to admit they are all Jews, which is not entirely true, and lying on purpose, while at the same time more actual not literal hitlerian leaders appear and suddenly have tons of coverage and mysterious support - and equally mysterious lack of deplatforming, then that could imply such a phase in their planning. They say on the dissident right that the best Nazis in our time tend to turn out to be Jews or closely tied with them. Then there's war and famine and piles of dead bodies and another 80 years of guilt trip and letting both Israel and the diaspora get away with murder.

Blogger Mike Wallens October 28, 2019 2:43 PM  

Sorry but this is fake news. Just as fake as the brain washed children's stories. Authorities, many with leftist liberal /feminist leaning absolutely ruined people's lives with this nuttery.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 2:43 PM  

@69, 17th Century witch hunt was the story the Wall Street Journal was pushing back when the McMartin investigation and trial was going on. Since the WSJ was pushing the witch hunt narrative, I'm willing to consider the possibility that the witch hunt narrative was a lie. Knowing the little we know about the FBI, I'm not willing to consider the possibility that it wasn't a lie.

After the 0bammy years, we can only assume that everything the FBI or DoJ has ever touched has been totally corrupted, everything they have told us was a lie. The corruption we saw in the 0bammy years wasn't anything new, it was the same old criminal conspirators getting overconfident.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 2:45 PM  

Believe no rumor until it's denied. I doubted the OP, then the trolls popped up to confirm it.

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 2:46 PM  

@Crew, Sammibandit,

You guys are pathetic, at least read the detailed accounts of what happened rather than jumping off on some wild story spun decades after. I was living in S. Cal when this was going on and knew long time residents of Manhattan Beach that knew the McMartins. Also, do you really think that those in power would even let something like this get started if it was connected to them?

Blogger tacman October 28, 2019 2:48 PM  

@gunner451

I know you are just a troll, but the detailed map and description of the tunnels under the McMartin school is right there in the FBI vault document dump. Take it up with the feds if you think we are all full of shit.

Blogger Seth S October 28, 2019 2:49 PM  

Mr Metokur did a long funny stream on this. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3iqUcok0nwjs/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 2:52 PM  

gunner451 wrote:I call BullS$%t on this whole article, the whole McMartin fiasco was started by some emotionally disturbed employee that worked for the McMartins, all of it was made up out of whole cloth with the prosecutor using this for political hay, if you remember they had on TV them digging up that lot and there was no tunnels.
This is not an "article" It is an FBI report. The FBI says there were tunnels. The TV reporter said there weren't any.
Boomer believes TV reporter because Boomer.

Blogger FP October 28, 2019 2:52 PM  

@36

Styx should just use the blood libel defense for his precious church of satan.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 2:53 PM  

gunner451 wrote:You guys are pathetic, at least read the detailed accounts of what happened rather than jumping off on some wild story spun decades after. I was living in S. Cal when this was going on and knew long time residents of Manhattan Beach that knew the McMartins.
Which means you know exactly dick.

Blogger CF Neal October 28, 2019 2:54 PM  

Jesus Freaks of Chicago-area were all over this, right?

Blogger sammibandit October 28, 2019 2:56 PM  

@gunner451

That you take this issue so personally is suspect at best. Your irrational and hysterical reaction points more to guilt than innocence. You literally aren't helping the more you keep whining. Take your lame JIDF ass off this blog and back to Plebbit where you belong.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 2:56 PM  

I guess I must be a pathetic deplorable!

The Main Stream Media also 'proved' Comet Ping Pong was just an upstanding Pizza join and had nothing to do with pedophilia.

Blogger Falcor October 28, 2019 3:04 PM  

JBP explaining this (away).
Bizarre moment at 4:46 (of 6:32 minute clip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XiunnRDRoM

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 3:06 PM  

@sammibandit,

No the one the is irrational and hysterical are the people that believe this BS, kind of like all the parents that hired some archaeologist after the trails to find those mythical tunnels. What did he find? a bunch of trash pits that he called evidence of tunnels and that evidence in no way matches these "FBI" files by the way. But god luck living in a fantasy world.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 3:27 PM  

@Gunner451
Do you see the title of the post? Do you understand it?
The wizardry is over. You were snowed, you believed it, the belief was reinforced with social proof, and now you're repeating the pattern. In some way, your identity is threatened by people believing that children were abused there, to the point that you dismiss the official declassified FBI report.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl October 28, 2019 3:27 PM  

I was torn on whether to try and listen to almost 4 hrs of that, but I'll give it a listen, thx.

Blogger Unknownsailor October 28, 2019 3:32 PM  

I was 12 going on 13 when the McMartin thing started. Like Vox, I have no problem believing there were tunnels. I also believe that CPS in many jurisdictions grossly oversteps their bounds. The two beliefs are not incompatible.

I am also aware that McMartin is not the only supposed witch hunt involving child abuse, there was a similar case in Wenatchee in 1994-1995 that followed many of the same overall themes from the McMartin case.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Wenatchee_child_abuse_prosecutions

As we know from watching the Duke LaCross scandal play out, it is not totally out of the question that prosecutors can pursue personal vendettas against those they are seeking to convict. In the McMartin case, it now appears the children might have been correct about the existence of tunnels. Whether they were also correct about the rest of their stories remains to be seen.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl October 28, 2019 3:34 PM  

Ted Gunderson was saying they covered it up and there were tunnels decades ago. I wonder if he's dead or alive now.
Vindication for the attacks he went thru.
I read several books about this story back in the day and remember well when it happened. I've always thought something was covered up, just not exactly what parts or by whom.
Now, I'd guess way more people from top to bottom were involved in covering it up, in many different agencies.
I don't think I was mentally prepared to accept all of institutions being corrupted and compromised, back in the 80s.

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 3:42 PM  

One the genuine aspects of occupational burnout among clergy, teachers, law enforcement, and medical personnel is daily seeing pure evil...right before their eyes. Most are shielded from evil and only vaguely hear about abuse from the media. These types of events are so horrifc that it causes terrible destruction analgous to PTSD in these folks witnessing it and who try to help the survivors. Why do you think the divorce rate and alcoholism is so high among these professionals. Instead of criticizing them, spend some significant time with them discussing what they have seen. They need your prayers.

Blogger Angantyr October 28, 2019 3:45 PM  

"Forget UFO disclosure, I'm waiting for international governments to confirm Cthulhu is real. Probably somewhere in Antarctica."

Antarctica? Nah - R'leyh is in the S. Pacific... gotta stay current on your Great Old One's geography!

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 3:45 PM  

@Snidely Whiplash

If you read the report this is just a regurgitation of the archaeologist (hire by the parents) report on his excavation of the property. That report has already been debunked as these were obvious trash pits and his conclusions were so classic of confirmation bias that it is not even funny (or more likely telling his customers what they wanted to hear).

The real evil of this is what Kee MacFarlane did to those children by implanting false memories that they probably live with to this day. That and the prosecutor that ran with this even as the evidence piled up that the McMartins were innocent.

Blogger Brick Hardslab October 28, 2019 3:46 PM  

Why the scare quotes around FBI, are you saying it's not the FBI?

Blogger John Adams October 28, 2019 3:49 PM  

Gunner, how many children have you raped, murdered, and eaten? Because you're acting very suspicious right now.

Blogger Uindo October 28, 2019 3:54 PM  

I grow increasingly angry that the legacy of the boomers is an empire built on the suffering of children. Rape, sacrifice, single parenting, selling into bondage, blasting their minds with drugs, corrupting with lies,selling their homelands, forced to watch torture, and covering it all up with a smile. 'Hey goy X/millennial! Why aren't YOU successful like nice Mr. Weinstein here or Epstein? Haha you need to work hard and pull yourself up like they did! Don't be lazy!"

All the people I know who lean left, even the smart ones, believe the complicit media in some way. When Stephen Colbert says orange man bad, they jump. I want to grab them and yell, ''Why are you complicit in their lies! You can see how they cover up the death and torture! You are enabling this with your willful ignorance! You might as well be raping them yourself!"

I truly do not want to believe that our entire society is structured for the explicit purpose of feeding children to Satan. But it would explain why we can't have roads, build highways, fix plumbing and electrical lines, build nuclear power plants like the greatest generation did. We can't because it's not the goal of the government. Police aren't for policing, lawyers aren't for engaging in the law, teachers aren't for teaching. They are all there to prepare children to be consumed whether it's via indoctrination or enforcement. Please God let it be false or end it if it is true.

Blogger Clark October 28, 2019 3:54 PM  

@gunner451,

Why do you say this is a re-hash of the parent's, archaeologist's report? I don't see any mention of that. That would be important information, but I don't see anything indicating this. This looks like findings considered official by the FBI.

Blogger Noah B. October 28, 2019 3:55 PM  

Bulldozing crime scenes: seems legit.

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 3:56 PM  

@Brick Hardslab

I put it scare quotes because the source of this was not the FBI, the FBI only copied the archaeologist report that the parents hired after the fact to dig up the lot(s) some years after the trial. This is not new information and I'm not even sure why the FBI classified what was public information. That report was debunked by later analysis to be trash pits which you can read on line if you're not some drooling idiot like a lot of the posters on this thread (ya you John Adams)

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 4:01 PM  

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:5-10

The aspect of Jesus that has most compelled me is his purity. That song, "I want to walk as a child in the light..." makes my eyes fill with tears. I am just Isaiah, woe is me for I am a man of unclean lips who witness the majesty of Heaven.

There is no one more innocent than Jesus and worthy is the Lamb who was slain for our sins. There is no darkness in him at all.

The smallest light extinguishes the darkness. Darkness cannot do the same.

Blogger sammibandit October 28, 2019 4:07 PM  

It's better to err and ask for forgiveness than to pretend you didn't err at all.

@gunner451 you have nothing. Besides if you knew anything about archaeology you'd know middens can be used for all sorts of refuse. Yada, yada Tophet. Thanks for admitting you know about the tunnels btw, showing you have no credible testimony to offer whatsoever.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 4:07 PM  

@gunner451, perhaps you have a neat, dismissive explanation of the urgent necessity to bulldoze the crime scene while the investigation was ongoing.

Blogger Oswald October 28, 2019 4:07 PM  

gunner451: Come on man there were 360 witnesses! Something happen that is for sure. And sex related stories are not something that children make up on their own.

Blogger Jake October 28, 2019 4:08 PM  

"Rehash" is actually independent confirmation of claims made by the parents, the victims, and their hired investigators.

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 4:23 PM  

Man you guys are so obsessed with this narrative that you'll believe anything. Even stuff that was debunked decades ago and with the lessons learned actually changing the law and the way children are interviewed. Hundreds if not thousands of reports/articles/books that details how the system abused not only the McMartins but also the children. But no all of that is false and some half-assed article written by some nut case is gospel to you. Sorry but you can't be reached by the truth if that's the case so I guess I'll let you stew in your own lies and fantasies.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 4:27 PM  

I am beginning to suspect Vox wanted the troll to fully reveal himself.

Was he really Captain Beatty?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 4:38 PM  

Deficiencies in getting evidence from children do not refute the allegation, only move it from court-admissible to non-admissible.
The allegations were never actually debunked, only dismissed. As you are demonstrating even here.

Blogger 351wsl October 28, 2019 4:38 PM  

I read the entire PDF FBI drop, without reading or listening to any commentary. I don't remember any of this in the news at the time, probably because I was too young and not geographically close.

Two things stand out to me.

The first is why was any of this classified "secret"? My conclusion is that there were definitely CIA ties to the Finders, but the documents are too redacted to run it down exactly.

Secondly, It seems Larry A. Potts was the FBI agent in charge of running down what information the FBI had on this in 1993. I wouldn't believe anything he said. In fact, I'm surprised a bunch of kids didn't die in a fire or get shot, now that I see his name.

Blogger Stilicho October 28, 2019 4:54 PM  

Gunner, are you saying that this map and the conclusions are the actual "archeologist report" and that it was simply part of the FBI file, but that the FBI did not come to a conclusion about the existence of the tunnels? Or are you saying that the FBI investigated the tunnel issue and concluded there were none?

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella October 28, 2019 4:59 PM  

Where are the survivors? One of the children who were abused at another daycare facility in oil country inherited a fortune. He was mentally ill, a cross-dresser, and hired girlfriends who would claim they slept together. He did not want his proclivities to come out in public. When he grew tired of the hired gossip help, he would throw them out the window. One survived. I met her. She still had nodes where her bones had reset, after the fall. She was still brain damaged from the getting thrown out of a second or third story window.

I don't think ya'll understand how disposable people at the bottom are. It only takes one divorce for a child to become disposable. Who keeps track of the child? Parents? Father? Mother? Grandparents? They are troubled, by that point, as anyone who suffers from the catastrophic destruction of their umbrella of protection in this world. Who calls the police when they run away? Who do you believe? The scruffy, discarded, unprotected child, or the saintly foster family? Or the saintly pastor? Or the heroic police? Or the empathetic, and likely young and charming, well-dressed and from a good family, social worker? How is she to know that the saintly foster care family harbors predators? Or how about the psychiatric hospital where the fortunate, and found, runaway can be marooned? Who cares that the city psychiatric hospital is run by an incestuous pedophile? Surely, no one. Especially if the incest victim decides to 'help people' by becoming the director of child services for her city.

Not one of those questions is hypothetical, unfortunately.

Also, people in the demi-monde die. Like, very young. Twenties, thirties, forties if they are sturdy. They are not around to witness because they are dead. What they lived through usually happened when your children were still nascent, in high school at most.

As for concrete details: a really quite revolting man has shown up on the news as faking alien abductions. He looks quite a few candles short of a full birthday cake. He convinced adults who lived through the ordeal that they had been abducted. Law enforcement would just say he was creepy, not criminal. I'd think the truth-0-meter from concrete descriptions from children would be far easier to fake.

I knew the two social workers who ran state regs for childcare. Both said they would prefer to be homeless, than risk their children in care. Since they were both wealthy, from wealthy families, and none too bright, saying how much risk they would take to protect their children from both for-profit and at-home care, was sobering. They knew enough about how money sheltered them. They were willing to sacrifice that to protect their children from what they had seen.

Blogger VD October 28, 2019 5:10 PM  

Man you guys are so obsessed with this narrative that you'll believe anything.

I would not leave any child alone with this guy. He gives off Jordan Peterson-level red flags.

Blogger Wario's Mart October 28, 2019 5:10 PM  

Gunner451s entire claim rests on these incredibly extensive tunnel networks being used for trash.

Lol, you are a stain.

So there were tunnels. But we were told there were NO tunnels. Oh but there were. They were just used for trash goy.

Well if they were only used for trash why did their positioning coincide exactly with the witness statements of the children.

It's not confirmation bias if there is alignment with witness statements, you incredible stain. That's just alignment.

A pit is not a tunnel. And why would McMartin have really extensive trash pits with tunnels but every other elementary school use skips and rubbish bins?

I am so tired of creduluous gormless gullible retarded stains.

Those tunnels were found by 5 scientists from leading universities.

Debbie Nathan from village voice ridiculed the tunnels in June 1999. Oh but there were tunnels, stain.

DA Ira Reiner declared the tunnels were a fabrication without going under the concrete floor of the preschool. Dr Roland Summit contributed on the final excavation report and said the authorities refused to cooperate.

Robert Beer was the geophysicist who found the tunnels the Los Angeles Times said didn't exist exactly where the children said they'd be. Behind a cement mixer in the North East corner. And then the media did it's Pizzagate blackout.

Some of these children had actual sexual infections. How did that happen. Was that all just implanted memories that shows up in STD samples.

You're a liar. The official narrative was always that there were no tunnels. The idea they were for trash removal is absolutely retarded.

The National Centre for Child Abuse confirmed the threats like killing animals in front of children did actually take place at other pre-schools. Yet the McMartin experts trashed it.

Why would you have a trash tunnel that was obscured and impeded by an effing cement planter in the far corner of a complex, nowhere near any kind of logical location for trash removal or storage.

It's hilarious.

The LA Times ran a series of features ridiculing the excavations until they found the tunnels. But you lie and say they were always acknowledged.

The fact you lie about that when anyone who knows anything about the case knows it's a lie shows you have zero veracity.

Debbie McMartin who is the Scion of the 'False Memory Syndrome Foundation' said that there were no tunnels.

So why has the narrative changed.

Lol trash tunnels you idiot moron goyim. Trash tunnels. There were already trash tunnels imbecile goyim.

Not there weren't. You're a liar and a faggot.





Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 5:13 PM  

@Stilicho,

It's a cut and past from the private archeologist hired by the disgruntled parents. The FBI did not do any investigation of their own and any conclusions were the conclusions of the private archeologist. Standard lazy public servant type of stuff.

Read on line what the government did to these people, Bucky was held without bail for 5 years. They destroyed the lives of several people all because some psychotic alcoholic mother claimed that her 2 1/2 year old son was sexually abused (and also had holes drilled into his armpits, and that her dog had been sexually abused and that her ex-husband had sexually abused her son … starting to see a pattern here?). There was horrible evil associated with this case, unfortunately all the evil was from the government side which is usually the case. This is typical, people associated with the government are usually the ones doing these evil deeds (Beulah George "Georgia" Tann as a case in point) and not some private individuals just trying to make a living.

Blogger EDJohnston October 28, 2019 5:24 PM  

A small-time youtube, Apollo’s Artifacts, has a good series of vids posted about this very subject. He did extensive research and found that most of the claims had basis in truth, but where made ridiculous by grifters and media sensationalism. I suggest looking them up if you have several hours to kill.

Blogger MichaelJMaier October 28, 2019 5:27 PM  

He's there, alright, and that's why the FLAT EARTHERS don't want us going there. They're working for the ancient Dark Forces and desperate to keep his secrets.

Blogger gunner451 October 28, 2019 5:37 PM  

@VD

"I would not leave any child alone with this guy. He gives off Jordan Peterson-level red flags."

It's sad to see you use the same tactics as the SJWs for someone that disagrees with you. You might want to think about it as you're becoming what you claim to hate when you go down that path.

Oh, and Baby Metal sucks, although the lead singer is kind of cute ;)

Blogger ar10308 October 28, 2019 5:39 PM  

@111 Charitable organizations for children and teens are a significant Avenue through which predators get access to kids. And the smart ones focus on kids who don't have families to care about them.

That's what Jerry Sandusky did, with his Second Mile organization. And when all of the shit hit the fan at Penn State, the Media and government purposely focused on Joe Paterno, who only had second-hand information, rather than going after the Sandusky's organization, The Second Mile and the well-connected and corrupt individuals on the board of that organization. Instead of spreading light in to Sandusky's organization, they allowed it to be shuttered under cover of night and the rats to scurry away.

Blogger Sargent.matrim October 28, 2019 5:40 PM  

And this helps us understand why God wanted the Israelites to totally wipe out the Nephilim corrupted inhabitants of the land of Canaan.

The world really is weirder and more evil than we realize.

Blogger xevious2030 October 28, 2019 5:44 PM  

"Hundreds if not thousands of reports/articles/books that details how the system abused not only the McMartins but also the children."

Have a bit of dialectic and rhetoric, but the only thing that comes up as not a waste is you're retarded. Trump and Russian pee pee hookers. On the opposing side, Catholic priest pedo coverup. You're hopelessly out of date, and the voracity comes off a bit like something Hunter might say of daddy.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson October 28, 2019 5:50 PM  

I'm listening to Mister Metokur's stream on this right now. The local police forces found Satanic evidence, they found the tunnels, etc. All of the stuff about that school was literally all true. This school and the Finders group was probably the Comet Pizza of the 80's for the government. Truly evil stuff.

Blogger Noah B. October 28, 2019 6:11 PM  

Hundreds if not thousands of reports/articles/books that details how the system abused not only the McMartins but also the children.

The media totally says there's nothing to see here, guys.

Blogger Crew October 28, 2019 6:15 PM  

@122: And they will have some guy show up with an AR-15 to shoot into the old trash pits to prove it!

Blogger basementhomebrewer October 28, 2019 6:23 PM  

Gamma's gonna gamma. Hey Gunner, just for fun, since you are such an expert, did you read the whole FBI file? You happen to notice the part where the file said that an article written by a reporter made claims consistent with the evidence of their investigation?

Did you notice the part afterwards where they state the investigation's official response was that the article was inaccurate and they didn't find that evidence?

It's a play by play how investigators will on the record lie about their own investigations. Yet, you treat the official McMartin story as if it were 100% accurate. Someone is married to the narrative, it is not most of the people on this blog.

Blogger They Call Me Doctor Love ಠ_ಠ October 28, 2019 6:41 PM  

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Blogger sammibandit October 28, 2019 6:41 PM  

It's sad to see you use the same tactics as the SJWs for someone that disagrees with you.

Hey Karen, you can't ask for Vox' manager because the buck stops there. Did you even read or listen to SJWAL or SJWADD? Had you done that you would know our host endorses using rhetoric that works, and boy does it work on you.

You might want to think about it as you're becoming what you claim to hate when you go down that path.

What makes you think your pedovore apologist, JIDF lameass self has anything to chide VD over? You've vented your spleen all over this thread like a typical Karen and look even more retarded than when you first pressed "publish". Then again, it is obvious you never read SJWAL. Go polish your circa 2003 pukka shell necklace you filthy atavism.

Oh, and Baby Metal sucks, although the lead singer is kind of cute ;)

Emoticons from guys suck. Gammas suck. You suck.

Blogger They Call Me Doctor Love ಠ_ಠ October 28, 2019 6:54 PM  

It was pretty crazy when Metokur mentioned the underground tunnel network in Washington. I've long thought of Western normies and the global elite as having an Eloi/Moorlock relationship, but I never dreamed the metaphor was this literal.

Blogger Joe Smith October 28, 2019 6:58 PM  

The word “debunked” is basically a retard word morons use to signal that they’ve turned their brains off. It also signals to thinking non-retards that something is up.

Blogger map October 28, 2019 7:07 PM  

gunner451 wrote:That report was debunked by later analysis to be trash pits which you can read on line if you're not some drooling idiot like a lot of the posters on this thread (ya you John Adams)

Are you stupid?

What the hell is a "trash pit?" What makes you think a private entity can just dig a hole in the ground for the purpose of tossing garbage? Don't most municipalities have public garbage collection so that no one had to dig a trash pit?

Amazing what people believe.

Blogger map October 28, 2019 7:22 PM  

gunner451 wrote:@Stilicho,

It's a cut and past from the private archeologist hired by the disgruntled parents. The FBI did not do any investigation of their own and any conclusions were the conclusions of the private archeologist. Standard lazy public servant type of stuff.


facepalm

Really? The FBI included in its report a supposedly debunked archaeological report on tunnels. And classified it. And an archeologist decided to put his reputation on the line to fabricate a tunnel system that is not there.

This makes sense to you.

Blogger map October 28, 2019 7:24 PM  

gunner451 wrote:It's sad to see you use the same tactics as the SJWs for someone that disagrees with you. You might want to think about it as you're becoming what you claim to hate when you go down that path.

Oh boy...Never go full-Gamma.

Blogger Unknown October 28, 2019 7:56 PM  

Why would people hire an archaeologist to find tunnels under a modern building. I would think the person for the job would be an engineer with a specialty in demolition. He would dig test pits and such.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) October 28, 2019 7:58 PM  

One of the books "debunking" the claims of mass child abuse is Remembering Satan by Lawrence Wright. Wright then went on to win the Pulitzer prize for promoting the official story of 9-11 in The Looming Tower.

That's how it works.

Blogger JAG October 28, 2019 8:13 PM  

Sillon wrote:@36

Metokur is always fantastic doesn't matter what subject he covers, he's got talent.


He's also willing to look evil straight in the eyes. His "how the sausage is made" video about transexual surgeries was brutal. I couldn't take more than a few minutes before I had to just listen to audio only.

Blogger Brick Hardslab October 28, 2019 8:19 PM  

I read it but didn't find the link between the McMartins and they finders.

Although, after reading that I wouldn't be surprised.

Blogger cecilhenry October 28, 2019 8:48 PM  

I had a jarring conversation when I told some Boomer level people in my extended family about this incident.

I couldn't believe the response. Not 'Wow, I should check that out' or 'Damn why is that not more covered'.


But instead the response was

'Oh, how do you know thats not fake news?? It probably is.'

And a shrug of the shoulders!!


Back to Global news at 6pm!!! They NEVER miss THAT! They're MSM 'news junkies'.


How depressing.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 8:49 PM  

Unknown wrote:Why would people hire an archaeologist to find tunnels under a modern building.

Archaeologists are accustomed to looking underground for traces of ancient stuff, like evidence of ancient foundations, ancient fires, ancient trash ... and ancient, maybe collapsed, tunnels. They could probably still find that evidence if the tunnels were newish, and newly collapsed.

Blogger map October 28, 2019 8:57 PM  

cecilhenry wrote:'Oh, how do you know thats not fake news?? It probably is.'

And a shrug of the shoulders!!

Back to Global news at 6pm!!! They NEVER miss THAT! They're MSM 'news junkies'.

How depressing.


Yeah, they are busy watching Rachel Madcow...the most trusted man in America.

Blogger map October 28, 2019 8:58 PM  

Were there tunnels under the Newtown school where shooters can move back and forth undetected?

Is that why it was bulldozed?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 28, 2019 8:59 PM  

cecilhenry wrote:But instead the response was

'Oh, how do you know thats not fake news?? It probably is.'


They believe that the FBI is a source of fake news? Or they expect the FBI to deny that they released that PDF?

The first is a pretty realistic stance. If a troll had come on here saying ``that's bogus, because we can't trust the FBI,'' he might have gotten some traction.

As for the second, believe no rumor until it's denied.

Blogger Unknown October 28, 2019 9:12 PM  

Demolition experts know how to search under building and sites for previous construction. They dig test pits to find things like tunnels. Builders actually hire people like these to test building sites before building. They would be the first people I would talk to in this case.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 28, 2019 9:12 PM  

map wrote:What the hell is a "trash pit?" What makes you think a private entity can just dig a hole in the ground for the purpose of tossing garbage? Don't most municipalities have public garbage collection so that no one had to dig a trash pit?

You really don't get out much do you? I have seen trash pits on both private and government land, rural and urban. You use the trash pit to save the money it takes to haul the trash to the "approved" dump site. Or to dispose of materials that the approved dump will not take.

The US Army used to love trash pits. I have seen pits where they drove surplus jeeps into a hole and buried them.

They may not be in much use today, but back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they were pretty common.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2019 9:13 PM  

@map,
I don't know specifically why Newtown elementary was bulldozed, but the school district was in a terrible hurry to do so. A guess would be that there would be physical evidence (bullet holes and the like) at odds with the official story.

Archaeologists are experts at finding, excavating and investigating holes that have been filled in
.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa October 28, 2019 9:14 PM  

@cecilhenry,

Based on similar responses in my family, I think the denial is simply so they can continue to live in a world where this kind of stuff isn't commonplace. I'd like to live in a world like that too, but denial of the truth isn't in the Christian playbook.

Blogger cecilhenry October 28, 2019 9:29 PM  

@144:

I need to know if its true, in order to fight and stop it.

There and elsewhere. Its the exact opposite mentality as far as I'm concerned. Willful ignorance is willful complicity.

That's what both saddens and really angers me to realize with these people.

Blogger Unknown October 28, 2019 9:36 PM  

Demolition experts also look for stuff underground. Archaeologists work slowly with hand trowels and brushes looking for tiny artifacts. Demolition professionals usually work faster.

Blogger Glaivester October 28, 2019 9:44 PM  

@90:

Exactly my concern. I don't think that "conspiracy theories" should be dismissed out of hand, but we need to make certain we know which side is the conspiracy.

Yes, it is possible that there may be ritual child abuse in a situation and the authorities are covering it up, but then again the authorities may be ginning up hysteria against people with false accusations of abuse in order to gain more power. Wenatchee does come to mind here. If Child Protective Services is in many areas as corrupt as they say - I have no trouble believing that they would help to frame innocent people and then help real abusers get away.

If the powers that be can quench a scandal, they can also create one out of whole cloth.

Or to give a more generalized example, both Trump and the Democrats are pursuing conspiracy theories about the other, and unless one thinks that both sides are simply grossly mistaken, one of them is going to be correct (I'm on Trump's side).

Hearing about molestation accusation scandals, that sort of "whom do you trust?" becomes a major issue.

Blogger Smug Fence-Sitter October 28, 2019 9:49 PM  

"You don't think they know that will be how normal people react? One of the primary reasons for evil people doing observably strange and incredible things is to proactively discredit anyone who witnesses them and recounts what he has seen."

...I'm ashamed that I was first introduced to that realization, through the weirdest source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzEVRappRC0

Blogger VD October 28, 2019 10:05 PM  

It's sad to see you use the same tactics as the SJWs for someone that disagrees with you. You might want to think about it as you're becoming what you claim to hate when you go down that path.

Just stay very far away from children, you sick freak. For everyone's sake.

Blogger Avalanche October 28, 2019 10:22 PM  

@49 y"

For me it was the kid claiming that the bad adults had killed a giraffe. A real live -- then dead -- GIRAFFE! At the school!

How does one tell what's real and what's not?

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 10:28 PM  

It's so real that even independent horror films gives it a nod.

The Conspiracy (2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oVWcT6mVYQ

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 28, 2019 10:28 PM  

I wouldn't say *all* the conspiracy theories are true. But it's pretty damn close to that.

Blogger Avalanche October 28, 2019 10:34 PM  

@99 Bulldozing crime scenes: seems legit.

Yeah, very 9/11....

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 10:36 PM  

If you want to see how far the rabbit hole goes, see the Temple of Set, Michael Aquino, the Pentagon, and the Process Church.

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 10:40 PM  

Look up 1972 Rothschilds masked ball, illuminati, and compare that to the film Eyes Wide Shut. Then try to insist that it's only a movie.

Blogger JamesB.BKK October 28, 2019 11:04 PM  

Archeologists are supposed to be skilled at detecting changes in soil composition. They are hired to assist with pre-construction examinations by constructors to avoid millions in delay costs due to potential post-commencement discoveries of underground artifacts. Demolition professionals demolish.

Blogger Fergus October 28, 2019 11:09 PM  

The illuminati successfully infiltrated the freemasons and by doing so influenced the Enlightenment. This ensnared countless intellectuals in western civilization.

Out of that spawned two groups.satanic atheists who use anti-Christian icon as a psyop to pollute Christian rituals. This is why these folks (like the Satanic Temple) force state governments to allow staues of Baphomet in government buildings or property. They disbelieve in Satan and use this as a potent form of mockery.

The pure satanists use rituals to negotiate power exchange. The more horrendous the ritual, the great power is achieved. See the Ordo Templi Orientis.

That is but one aspect that drives them.

Blogger JamesB.BKK October 28, 2019 11:09 PM  

Is it not odd to allow one fact claim from one witness to discredit all fact claims from all witnesses?

Blogger Akulkis October 28, 2019 11:42 PM  

@gunner451

Your argument is basically "either the McMartins abused the children or Child Protective Services abused the children, and since we know cps abuses everyone they come inti contact with, it must have been CPS, because it's simply impossible for both groups to have been harming children

TL; DR -- embrace the power of "and". CPS abused the children AND before that, the McMartins did, too.

Oh look, your ACME (TM) Rocket Car just arrived.

Whoever this gunner guy is, he's way too emotionally invested in this to not have been personally involved. Any way to grab the IP address of gunner451 the kiddy diddler. Gunner 451.... Like Fahrenheit 451... Why do you want the old records to be ignored and destroyed???

Blogger Akulkis October 28, 2019 11:45 PM  

@109

Larry Potts... Now there's another name I haven't heard in decades.... Seems he was always at the center of some cover-up or another once the Clintons invaded the Whitehouse.

Blogger James October 29, 2019 12:30 AM  

Still putting your trust in government institutions Azure? You were too young to remember, but I can recall this as it was happening. Perhaps putting aside your youthful naivety would be a rational course foward. Take a fresh look at the Apollo moon landings hoax without the dreams of one day being a Star Fighter pilot. Space is a second law of thermodynamics violation, the gas of earths atmosphere would fill the available space. The institutions are corrupt, government, academia, jurisprudence, law enforcement, all of them corrupt. Good luck discovering Truth. Its a new dawn, everything is open to discovery. Now if only we could slip past the worlds military and see exactly what is happening in Antarctica. Perhaps some insight could be gained there.

Blogger Fergus October 29, 2019 1:39 AM  

18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
1 Corinthians 10:18-21

If your pastor or priest dismisses these verses as superstition, then FLEE from that church. Mainstream denominations don't believe in Lucifer (Helel ben Shahar) or demons. Evangelcal nondenominations do believe in their existence.

How can you oppose evil if you disbelieve in the manifestations of evil?

The implications of these verses are all other religions worship demons. Ponder that.

Blogger Joe Smith October 29, 2019 1:40 AM  

@161 I get that this is probably just posted in the wrong spot, i.e., it's meant to be in the other thread, but your 2nd law of thermodynamics anti-space argument is retarded. Gravity exists.

Blogger Jack Amok October 29, 2019 2:09 AM  

This is not an "article" It is an FBI report. The FBI says there were tunnels. The TV reporter said there weren't any.

To be fair Snidely, if you ask me to decide whether to believe an FBI agent or a TV reporter, I'm going to need to flip a coin.

Why would people hire an archaeologist to find tunnels under a modern building.

Ask the DA - the DA's office hired archaeologists to look for tunnels in 1985 at the start of the case. The DAs archaeologists didn't find any, but they were also looking for tunnels under the adjacent vacant lot, not under the classrooms themselves. The parents hired their own archaeologist in the 90's who looked under the classrooms.

He definitely found trash pits, not tunnels. OTOH, the diagram at the link Vox has above shows tunnels in a different location than where the parent's archaeologist found his trash pits. His trash pits also don't correspond to where children reported the tunnels and secret rooms to be.

Complicating this is the fact the parents did a bunch of their own digging before the DA's investigation, including using a backhoe, and also probably attempting to plant evidence.

I wouldn't say *all* the conspiracy theories are true. But it's pretty damn close to that.

No, there are a lot of false conspiracy theories, in part because the real conspiracies like to spin up fake conspiracies to discredit anyone who cottons on to the real thing.

Something fishy happened around the McMartin case. I don't know what, but I am relatively certain there were abused children - I just don't know who was doing it.

Ted Gunderson was the ex-FBI agent who worked with the parents to keep pushing the investigation. He became interested in these sort of cases after becoming convinced an Army doctor had been falsely convicted of a satanic murder of his wife and kids as part of covering up the real satanic cult guilty of the murders. False accusations to cover us real abuse? Certainly plausible.

So, what to believe about the McMartin case? The fact that none of the McMartin's came out naming the real molesters, nor were any of them suicided, makes me inclined to think they didn't know much. In fact, there were a decided lack of mysterious deaths associated with this case (the original accusing mom died of alcoholism before the trial started, but other than that, not much). But their involvement in running a day care is in itself suspicious, especially one that large.

Ultimately I find the parents behavior even more suspicious, and the "therapists" the most suspicious of all. Something evil was happening to those kids, and the case was a very messy attempt to cover up and obscure it. I don't wonder that we have trouble agreeing on what the details most likely were.

Blogger James October 29, 2019 2:12 AM  

Corruption Joe Smith, it all ties in together, the corrupt institutions. BTW, to which gravity do you refer? Reverend Michell/Cavendish/Newtonian mass attracting mass gravity or our current Einsteinian bending of a conceptual medium known as space time??? Newton has been superceded by Einstein therefore I would appreciate a demonstration of the bending of a concept. Please, Joe Smith, demonstrate the bending of a concept, could you please bend freedom for me? Your accusation of "retarded" is indeed your own projection. The bending of space time, my friend, is not only retarded, it is absurd.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 29, 2019 2:41 AM  

"Still putting your trust in government institutions Azure?"

Clearly I've triggered a gamma. He just can't let me down!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 29, 2019 2:47 AM  

How are you able to get on the internet? I get that breathing is partly involuntary. Do you have a feeding tube?

Blogger Unknown October 29, 2019 4:02 AM  

Before s vintractir outs up a building he hires someone to check the site for tunnels and other things under ground. To the best of my knowledge this is done by someone involved in demolition, not an archseologist.

Blogger James October 29, 2019 4:14 AM  

Still no explanation of the bending of a conceptual medium. Accusations of gamma, retardation and the use of feeding tubes. Absolutely brilliant. FBI corrupt, academia corrupt, nasa corrupt, every government entity corrupt.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 29, 2019 6:09 AM  

"Ideas can't be bent!"

That's your argument. You are actually a retard. Your caregiver should take more care with your social interactions.

Look, mental retard. You can have an idea of something, and the thing might be bent. That you have an idea of something doesn't mean the thing itself can't be bent. It doesn't mean the idea itself is not subject to alteration "bending" by another idea superset to it within the paradigm.

Now, I'm not going to spend any more time trying to educate someone who lacks either any capacity or any motivation to learn, so don't expect any more responses.

Blogger Rob October 29, 2019 7:12 AM  

I don't see any photos or videos of the tunnels at that site. Is there another source for this claim? Are we just supposed to take Kairos' word for it?

Blogger JamesB.BKK October 29, 2019 8:30 AM  

So many photon particles came through bent up space and into my eyes, they got all clogged up and I needed to get them dug out.

Blogger 351wsl October 29, 2019 8:31 AM  

@160

"Larry Potts... Now there's another name I haven't heard in decades.... Seems he was always at the center of some cover-up or another once the Clintons invaded the Whitehouse."

Rudy Ridge and Branch Dividians are his most famous pieces of work.

Blogger JamesB.BKK October 29, 2019 8:38 AM  

The demolition guys pre-construction handle search and disposal of unexploded ordnance?

Blogger RobertDWood October 29, 2019 9:41 AM  

Damn son.

Fatality.

Blogger xevious2030 October 29, 2019 9:56 AM  

“your 2nd law of thermodynamics anti-space argument is retarded. Gravity exists.“

Haven’t read the argument, so not commenting on it. Something to consider. The assumption is in a closed system. If this is not a closed system to the degree it is commonly presumed, then gravity may be an effect of the interaction between two “outside” systems, allowing gravity to increase, decrease, or cease. It would also allow for gravity to work without “dark matter” in the experienced range of the universe. As well as for matter/energy to be added or removed, “created/destroyed.” But currently stable enough for the time being in fluctuation to function as a reliable calculation in the day to day. Put comparatively, how many atoms are actually and truly solid? Yet, the effect to scale is “solid” in most of the day to day human experiences, an effect not characteristic of the actual situation.

Blogger xevious2030 October 29, 2019 10:07 AM  

If you would like to put the thermodynamics in a relation to this thread, the experience one may have with daycare, your child is not diddled by sickos, does not mean that that is the end of the experience of others, and the non sickos may not exist for the example, but may simply be an artifact of the limited range of the observation. The actually abused kids may provide the actual reality beyond the experienced portion of reality.

Blogger Jack Amok October 29, 2019 12:43 PM  

Before s vintractir outs up a building he hires someone to check the site for tunnels and other things under ground. To the best of my knowledge this is done by someone involved in demolition, not an archseologist.

No. They would hire someone involved in excavation, and some excavation contractors also advertise as demolition contractors (demolition here meaning knocking down buildings, not dealing with un-exploded ordnance), but what the contractor is looking for is someone who can verify soil stability and drainage while digging for the foundation.

Both the DA and the parents hired archaeologists to look for tunnels, and more specifically to evaluate if there were former tunnels that had been filled in in an effort to cover up the evidence. Archaeologists are - in theory - skilled at determining what human activity occurred on a site by looking through the remains and evaluating the strata on the site. They're generally called in when a construction project runs into a potential historical site.

"Demolition" (aka excavation) contractors would be called in when you wanted to make sure any tunnels under the site were properly filled and stabilized before building on top of them. Archaeologists would be called in when you wanted to know what the previous occupants might have been doing on the site.

Blogger Latigo3 October 29, 2019 1:09 PM  

After reading some of the tripe in the responses to this subject, it does not surprise me that evil continues to do what it does. Isaiah the prophet said it best, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags".
None of this surprises me, I have witnessed it first hand, evil loves to exploit, abuse and kill children. As fathers, if we don't protect our children, they will be exploited and abused. Predators need to fear you as a dad. I once told a 13 year old in front of his dad, "I will go to jail for my daughter, I will hurt you if you touch my daughter." His hand had grazed across my daughter's rear end twice, after the second time my daughter knew it wasn't an accident and she came and told me. A year after we left that church, his dad hadn't taken care of business and his son wound up abusing 5 and 6 year olds with another 17 year old punk. When it all came out, this 17 year old had told others that he was afraid of going after my 10 and 11 year old kids, because of what I would do to him.
Child predators need to be chemically castrated, they will not stop.
These evil people do this in secret and in darkness, they threaten children with all sorts of things.

Blogger Fergus October 29, 2019 1:37 PM  

Ted Gunderson was a stand up guy and a devout Christian. He was not a conspiracy theorist. The fact that he spoke out should indicate the merit of applying critical thinking and reading about SRA. Don't just dismiss it because that is what the globalists and fake news media/propagandists want you to do. Gunderson was beyond reproach.

Blogger Unknown October 29, 2019 1:48 PM  

Dont they skid dig test pits and stuff to look for things like hidden tunnels. gas tanks and stuff? The builder doesn't want any surprises?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 29, 2019 4:11 PM  

Archaeologists are trained to suss out the location of filled in holes based on minor variations of soil color, texture, grainsize and pebble orientation. Soils geologists are trained to determine whether the gound is stable enough to hold up your building. Demolition experts are trained to find things that have been buried in a demolition project. Completely different skill sets, and for this one, archaeologist is the right choice.

Blogger Unknown October 29, 2019 5:51 PM  

But it was a demolition project.

Blogger aps October 29, 2019 6:12 PM  

I know it's news to no one, but gunner is very obviously lying.

"What did he find? a bunch of trash pits that he called evidence of tunnels and that evidence in no way matches these "FBI" files by the way." -gunner

"I put it scare quotes because the source of this was not the FBI, the FBI only copied the archaeologist report that the parents hired after the fact to dig up the lot(s) some years after the trial." -also gunner

So the FBI wholesale copied the archeologists report but somehow it in "no way matches" the archeologists report?

You're a fucking liar.

Blogger Ken Prescott October 31, 2019 11:40 PM  

Having reviewed the pdf...

Sturgeon's Law applies. 90% of everything--including FBI case files--is crap.

This isn't an FBI report. This is a file--a collection of 302 interview notes (all of which are now forever suspect thanks to the Flynn Fiasco), police detective notes (likewise questionable), newspaper and magazine clippings, letters from Congressman Rose, and whatever got mailed to the FBI by various people from across the fruited plain. The McMartin "report" was from an archaeologist who was paid by the parents to find something.

I was stationed at MCAS(H) Tustin during the McMartin fiasco's early days, and I followed the case in the papers. Early on, it seemed to be relatively "ordinary" as these things went--perverts running a day care, that made sense.

And then it started getting very, very weird. And the longer the investigation ran, the weirder it got. And it wasn't a plausible sort of weirdness.

And then there was the perjury by a key witness, and the utter lack of forensic evidence. (Even if held off-campus, the amount of blood involved in the animal sacrifices would've transferred back to the school, and the entire campus would've been saturated with hemoglobin to the day it was torn down.)

And then the copycat cases started popping up. And those started (implausibly) weird from the beginning and went into Zone Five Afterburner YGBFSM Territory--as if it were some sort of notoriety competition from sea to shining sea.

Almost like the whole idea was to test what people would believe and where the breakpoints were.

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