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Friday, October 18, 2019

Spying on US conservatives in Ukraine

The Ukraine revelations take an unexpected turn, with reports of the State Department using Ukraine as a base to spy upon conservatives in the United States:
The prominent conservative figures — journalists and persons with ties to President Donald Trump — allegedly unlawfully monitored by the State Department in Ukraine at the request of ousted U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch include:
  • Jack Posobiec
  • Donald Trump Jr.
  • Laura Ingraham
  • Sean Hannity
  • Michael McFaul (Obama’s ambassador to Russia)
  • Dan Bongino
  • Ryan Saavedra
  • Rudy Giuliani
  • Sebastian Gorka
  • John Solomon
  • Lou Dobbs
  • Pamella Geller
  • Sara Carter
Before this impeachment narrative finishes failing and disappears, a LOT of anti-Trump figures are going to be in prison.

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66 Comments:

Blogger Mike Mountain October 18, 2019 10:26 AM  

Hopefully they will be in prison as a result of their conviction as human traffickers. Not sure it is illegal to use foreign agencies to spy. I believe this is standard practice.

What ever happened to taking politicians to court for violations of their state constitution? Seems to me this is a strategy that they really fear. Look how they went after Giuliani when he threatened to take civil cases to the likes of the Adam "McShift" Schiff. Can't have that now can they?

Blogger Joe Smith October 18, 2019 10:45 AM  

The Wile E. Coyote vs. Roadrunner analogy is just amazingly apt. They can't stop themselves from smashing face-first into TGE whenever he decides to wreck them.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2019 10:46 AM  

Hopefully they will be in prison as a result of their conviction as human traffickers. Not sure it is illegal to use foreign agencies to spy. I believe this is standard practice.

Try reading the article linked to in the OP.

Anonymous Anonymous October 18, 2019 10:52 AM  

I believe it is both unlawful and standard practice.

Blogger Dave Dave October 18, 2019 10:53 AM  

Surprised Ann Coulter isn't on there, too. They're spying on her for sure.

Blogger Jack Ward October 18, 2019 10:54 AM  

Since Trump is in this post. Todays Day by Day cartoon site made mention of Trump supporting national red flag laws. I did not know this or did not remember this happening. If this is true then a very large 'red flag' has just gone up for me where Trump is concerned. I hope it's not true. But, then, who else do I have to vote for next cycle? Pardon my language but 'shit.'

Blogger doctrev October 18, 2019 10:59 AM  

Sharyl Attkisson is not going to be on the Ukraine list, but it should be informative to check if her name was employed in past searches. Then check to see who else was illegally tracked in the past as well.

The number might be much higher than anyone thought possible.

Blogger Mike Mountain October 18, 2019 11:01 AM  

Regarding quid pro quo, my position remains that I hope Trump gets all the dirt on the pedos from our allies and enemies if necessary. If that involves handing out a little contract here and there, I am not some purist about not doing favors for foreign governments.

It is pretty rich for the same people that want to bring in every invader on the planet and sell out our children to murdering and Satanic drug cartels and human traffickers to then turn around, holier-than-thou, and indict Trump for outing Biden for his obvious corruption, Ukraine involvement or not.

Blogger Brett baker October 18, 2019 11:02 AM  

Don't worry, David French will show how this is perfectly fine.

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 18, 2019 11:04 AM  

Jack Ward wrote:...Todays Day by Day cartoon site made mention of Trump supporting national red flag laws....'

Wait two days, and pay more attention to what is actually being done rather than the rhetoric.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2019 11:11 AM  

@6 Jack Ward

"Todays Day by Day cartoon site made mention of Trump supporting national red flag laws. I did not know this or did not remember this happening."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/28/trump_disagrees_with_mike_pence_on_gun_confiscation_guns_first_due_process_second.html

"take the firearms first, and then go to court. Because that's another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures -- I like taking the guns early."

"Take the guns first, go through due process second."

But what got him really going what a Schrodinger's white driving 10 hours to shoot up Mexicans to save the environment. The only thing that stopped it was the House starting its impeachment ploy.

Just this morning there's a report of the FBI getting Washington state to seize the guns of an Atomwaffen guy who even with the FBI and DoJ's loose rules of engagement hasn't according to them committed a crime: https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/police-seize-guns-from-avowed-neo-nazi-snohomish-county/281-400146c7-5c81-4c8d-80d6-78f877977340

Or maybe they're hoping they'll ensnare him and others if he for example visits someone who owns guns.

Before then, Trump started using Red Flag confiscations as a political threat on Twitter. No matter how much he says the 2nd Amendment is sacred, when it gets to *every* particular he's still the dedicated NYC liberal gun grabber he was before the 2016 presidential campaign.

Blogger James Dixon October 18, 2019 11:11 AM  

> Before this impeachment narrative finishes failing and disappears, a LOT of anti-Trump figures are going to be in prison.

If they're lucky.

Blogger Clay October 18, 2019 11:11 AM  

LOL. No one is going to prison. I'll have to see it, to believe it.

Blogger #7139 October 18, 2019 11:14 AM  

...a LOT of anti-Trump figures are going to be in prison.

This would be so very gratifying SDL.

Blogger Mike Mountain October 18, 2019 11:14 AM  

My understanding was that because of the Patriot Acts 1 and 2, that it was very common and not strictly illegal to spy on American citizens and that it was in fact very normal. Also, considering how easy it is to do these days with social media, email services etc.

The article states that it is illegal to use state department resources to do so. I am not sure how this relates to the fusion centers that William Binney and Alex Jones helped make public. Again, my understanding that the way they got around their domestic laws was by querying the telecom intelligence agency databases of our allies.

Could be that the bureaucracy has forgotten they have that capability as seems to be another fairly common phenomena.

Blogger P Glenrothes October 18, 2019 11:22 AM  

The DOJ is immobile. It doesn't support Trump. Nobody is going to prison.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 18, 2019 11:32 AM  

This must be big. The shills are right on top of it.

Blogger Unknownsailor October 18, 2019 11:35 AM  

Karhu wrote:@6 Jack Ward

"Todays Day by Day cartoon site made mention of Trump supporting national red flag laws. I did not know this or did not remember this happening."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/28/trump_disagrees_with_mike_pence_on_gun_confiscation_guns_first_due_process_second.html

"take the firearms first, and then go to court. Because that's another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures -- I like taking the guns early."

"Take the guns first, go through due process second."

But what got him really going what a Schrodinger's white driving 10 hours to shoot up Mexicans to save the environment. The only thing that stopped it was the House starting its impeachment ploy.

Just this morning there's a report of the FBI getting Washington state to seize the guns of an Atomwaffen guy who even with the FBI and DoJ's loose rules of engagement hasn't according to them committed a crime: https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/police-seize-guns-from-avowed-neo-nazi-snohomish-county/281-400146c7-5c81-4c8d-80d6-78f877977340

Or maybe they're hoping they'll ensnare him and others if he for example visits someone who owns guns.

Before then, Trump started using Red Flag confiscations as a political threat on Twitter. No matter how much he says the 2nd Amendment is sacred, when it gets to *every* particular he's still the dedicated NYC liberal gun grabber he was before the 2016 presidential campaign.

It was revealed recently that in 2018, of the 81 EPOs issued in King County WA, 79 of them were initiated by local police departments.
Just like the one you linked to here.

Blogger justaguy October 18, 2019 11:51 AM  

I'll believe lots of Dem pols in jail when I see it. Most likely scenario-- one semi-big name and a few small fry-- most will get off and media will ignore. Media will make sure Trump doesn't spy on opponents. Deep state will still leak to make Trump look bad. Hopefully voters will not. Maybe Trump will reform civil service in second term.

Blogger linesy October 18, 2019 11:56 AM  

Depends. If he clears the seventh floor of the fbi who knows what is possible?

Blogger ar10308 October 18, 2019 12:14 PM  

It is also telling which "Conservatives" aren't on the list...

Shapiru
Prager
Beck
Crowder
Peterson
Etc.

Blogger Crew October 18, 2019 12:15 PM  

Have these people calling for Trump to be removed via coup done something that would land them in jail?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/unhinged-retired-admiral-and-clinton-loyalist-calls-for-coup-of-president-trump-remove-trump-from-office-the-sooner-the-better/

Blogger Beardy Bear October 18, 2019 12:18 PM  

They were spying on future Emperor Trump II?

Yuge mistake.

Blogger CF Neal October 18, 2019 12:21 PM  

Lots of pessimism being expressed. Yes, I, too, am unconvinced that ALL we want to happen WILL happen. But, I remain hopeful that maybe, just maybe, SOMETHING will happen. Something different than has EVER happened -- at least in MY lifetime; something so significant & transformative, that all the good & wholesome promises as represented by American exceptionalism will heal US, and THEN by us shine forth to the whole wide world, as a civilization worthy of emulation.

So help us God.

Blogger Beardy Bear October 18, 2019 12:25 PM  

ar10308 wrote:It is also telling which "Conservatives" aren't on the list...



While not a conservative, SDL is a major Trump supporter and not on the list, and neither is Cernovich or Big Bear.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 18, 2019 12:29 PM  

Well, they weren't spying on Mean Mr Mustache, were they? Guess he isn't talking to Hannity any more. It does seem like they are looking for their own leakers. Someone's worried.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim October 18, 2019 12:30 PM  

OT: Would anyone be willing to watch this trailer and see if it raises any flags? First impressions seem to be severe anti-cucked Christianity, perhaps reminiscent of Teddy Roosevelt's favored "Christian Masculinity", but I've learned that you can't be too careful. Thanks in advance.
https://mobile.twitter.com/canonpress/status/1185004512416686080

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 18, 2019 12:47 PM  

Vox and Owen aren't mainstream or conservative. They are a low threat in the opinion of the cathedral.

Blogger Ray - SoCal October 18, 2019 12:55 PM  

Atkinson was not on the list, since she was probably under direct surveillance.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 18, 2019 12:58 PM  

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Blogger dc.sunsets October 18, 2019 1:07 PM  

How long with the MSM run with their prophylactic Narrative about the ex-ambassador in the face of Judicial Watch's FOI work?

Same theater, different movie. How is it even possible to have a coherent shared polity going forward, when there is the "reality centered" one and the "magical thinking" one?

Blogger HouellebecqGurl October 18, 2019 1:08 PM  

It's hard to know if the Atomwaffen dude was really clean, though, because AW is basically an unhinged death cult who has had murderers as members. I'd like to hear a whole lot more about this case, tbh.

Blogger OneWingedShark October 18, 2019 1:10 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:Since Trump is in this post. Todays Day by Day cartoon site made mention of Trump supporting national red flag laws. I did not know this or did not remember this happening. If this is true then a very large 'red flag' has just gone up for me where Trump is concerned. I hope it's not true. But, then, who else do I have to vote for next cycle? Pardon my language but 'shit.'
The only recent news I've heard about a "Red Flag" is all the corporations "bending the knee" to China.

James Dixon wrote:> Before this impeachment narrative finishes failing and disappears, a LOT of anti-Trump figures are going to be in prison.
If they're lucky.

I, too, want to bring back public hangings…
(Less chance of recidivism, pardon, or "declining to prosecute" and other such corruption BS.)

Clay wrote:LOL. No one is going to prison. I'll have to see it, to believe it.
This. So much this.

William Marron wrote:My understanding was that because of the Patriot Acts 1 and 2, that it was very common and not strictly illegal to spy on American citizens and that it was in fact very normal. Also, considering how easy it is to do these days with social media, email services etc.
Just because there's a piece of paper, passed by Congress, doesn't mean that it's actually law.
Consider, for example, if the Congress passed a law stating the State religion was Judaism and all males must therefore be circumcized and attend Synagogue a minimum of 48 times a year; would such an item be law, or is it prohibited by the First Amendment?

P Glenrothes wrote:The DOJ is immobile. It doesn't support Trump. Nobody is going to prison.
Then issue executive orders instructing them to do their job; when they fail to do so, fire them for breach of contract. (Contract-law works both ways.)

CF Neal wrote:Lots of pessimism being expressed. Yes, I, too, am unconvinced that ALL we want to happen WILL happen. But, I remain hopeful that maybe, just maybe, SOMETHING will happen. Something different than has EVER happened -- at least in MY lifetime; something so significant & transformative, that all the good & wholesome promises as represented by American exceptionalism will heal US, and THEN by us shine forth to the whole wide world, as a civilization worthy of emulation.

So help us God.

Pray.
I have been praying, for several years now, for people who will Do Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly with God to be put in positions of authority and/or leadership at the Federal, State, County, and Municipal levels. — I invite you, and anyone else here, to join me.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2019 1:22 PM  

@18 Unknownsailor:

"It was revealed recently that in 2018, of the 81 EPOs issued in King County WA, 79 of them were initiated by local police departments.
Just like the one you linked to here."

The Fine Article you didn't read says:

"Cole is not charged with a crime but is named in an Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO) filed earlier this month in King County court. In the civil paperwork, prosecutors and the FBI convinced a judge that 'Kaleb Cole poses a serious threat to public safety by having access and possession to firearms and a concealed pistol license.'"

"Earlier this year, the Seattle FBI approached Seattle/King County’s Regional Firearms Enforcement Unit operated by the Seattle City Attorney, King County Prosecutor, and Seattle police.

Agents sought an ERPO to disarm Cole, but the federal government has no such tool.

“The fact is the federal government came to us. There’s no other mechanism like our firearms unit that’s in existence. There’s no one else in the state that’s doing this,” said Holmes.

It’s the first time the Feds have sought an ERPO in Washington state, and it’s believed to be one of the first instances in the nation."

We can be very sure it won't be the last. @32 HouellebecqGurl doubts he's "really clean", but who of us really are?

Blogger The Lab Manager October 18, 2019 1:22 PM  

Yeah, I'm still wondering whether Trump is going to flake on the gun issue. Even Rand Paul was kind is kind of a dope sometimes; he was concerned about the funding of the border wall but okay with red flag laws. Sometimes I think he learned nothing from his dad.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2019 1:38 PM  

@33 OneWingedShark

"The only recent news I've heard about a "Red Flag" is all the corporations "bending the knee" to China."

I'm not sure why you think anyone would be interested in your ignorance, although I suppose telling us you aren't an informed, activist gun owner is worth something.

Latest example to make major news is a very old crossing guard in Massachusetts, who remarked to a friend at lunch that a local school "resource officer" was slacking off and leaving the place wide open for an attack. Someone reported him, and he was relieved of his job while he was protecting children, and had his guns and his privilege to own any seized. Outcry got him back his job, but it's very unlikely he'll ever get back his guns or the privilege.

Blogger Hammerli 280 October 18, 2019 1:39 PM  

Make Prisons Full Again.

Blogger Warunicorn October 18, 2019 1:52 PM  

I'd prefer something else for offenders like Yovanovitch other than prison. I don't trust people who do that sh*t on the sly. At all.

We can fool ourselves 'til the cows come home but all this is going to culminate in war. May not be now; may not even be in our lifetimes. But it will come.

Blogger dienw October 18, 2019 2:10 PM  

@27 Stirling Pilgrim.

Don't have Amazon Prime; but something smells fishy just from looking at the promo: too slick for one thing.

Blogger God Emperor Memes October 18, 2019 2:49 PM  

Pretty much none of this gets reported on in Australia. What we instead have is endless assurances of GlOmPeCh BlUmPh!!!
The latest thing is that he'll DEFINITELY be impeached because the WH Administration has decided that the best place to hold an event with a bunch of world leaders is at a Trump resort in Miami. From what I understand, the venue could almost have been purpose-built for such an occasion so, y'know, cue the faux outrage from the usual places.

Blogger Noah B. October 18, 2019 2:59 PM  

"Yeah, I'm still wondering whether Trump is going to flake on the gun issue."

In a way he already has, but it was the NRA civnats who stabbed us all in the back. Again. Immediately after the MGM Las Vegas shootings they blamed Obama for not having banned bump stocks. By reviving the issue they left Trump without political support.

The NRA's mission is to generate and exploit controversies to increase memberships and donations, not to decisively preserve freedom for future generations.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov October 18, 2019 3:08 PM  

Trump supports Red Flag laws just the same as he supported DACA. He offered a sweet-heart DACA deal, and the Democrats voted against it almost to a man. There have been no now DACA deals, have there?

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov October 18, 2019 3:09 PM  

Oh, and so far, there have been less than 500 bump stocks turned in.

Blogger IrishFarmer October 18, 2019 3:13 PM  

I for one cant wait for Trump to unveil that he and his team of patriots are about to undo over 100 years of infiltration, subversion, and brainwashing in the next four years if we just vote for him again and look the other way as criminals he out back on the street stab people to death. C'mon Q we are counting on you!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 18, 2019 3:19 PM  

If anyone goes to jail, it will be a first. This administration has had a lot of firsts, so it's unlikely, but we can't rule it out.

@6, Trump was never our friend, but he has always been our enemies' enemy.

Blogger Clay October 18, 2019 3:39 PM  

I notice that pasty-faced Chris Wallace wasn't on the list, either. FOX should dump his Democrat ass, and send him packing on the Shepard Smith Parade to the hellhole of fake news.

Blogger OneWingedShark October 18, 2019 3:42 PM  

Karhu wrote:@33 OneWingedShark
"The only recent news I've heard about a "Red Flag" is all the corporations "bending the knee" to China."

I'm not sure why you think anyone would be interested in your ignorance, although I suppose telling us you aren't an informed, activist gun owner is worth something.

You do realize that it was an attempt at humor, yes?
Other than that, even if I was an informed, activist gun owner, what would be the proper response? — Climbing the nearest water-tower and shouting "I'll kill any federal agent who tries to take my guns!!" seems more than a bit counterproductive.

Latest example to make major news is a very old crossing guard in Massachusetts, who remarked to a friend at lunch that a local school "resource officer" was slacking off and leaving the place wide open for an attack. Someone reported him, and he was relieved of his job while he was protecting children, and had his guns and his privilege to own any seized. Outcry got him back his job, but it's very unlikely he'll ever get back his guns or the privilege.
I know there are many injustices out there.
Other than praying, there is very little I can do.

Noah B. wrote:"Yeah, I'm still wondering whether Trump is going to flake on the gun issue."

In a way he already has, but it was the NRA civnats who stabbed us all in the back. Again. Immediately after the MGM Las Vegas shootings they blamed Obama for not having banned bump stocks. By reviving the issue they left Trump without political support.

The NRA's mission is to generate and exploit controversies to increase memberships and donations, not to decisively preserve freedom for future generations.

The NRA is the single best example of controlled opposition that I can think of: just take a look at what they actually do.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2019 3:57 PM  

@41 Noah B.

"Yeah, I'm still wondering whether Trump is going to flake on the gun issue."

"In a way he already has, but it was the NRA civnats who stabbed us all in the back. Again. Immediately after the MGM Las Vegas shootings they blamed Obama for not having banned bump stocks. By reviving the issue they left Trump without political support."

A few examples, please? Because I didn't see any of that *at all*, the NRA said, let the BATF handle it, where it *could* have been buried as the issue faded, and the Los Vegas massacre of mostly Trump supporters got memory holed. Unlike any of Obama's anti-gun administrative initiatives, Trump pushed it all the way through with an administrative redefinition of what makes a machine gun.

Blame "NRA civnats" all you want, and the NRA is beyond vile but likely soon irrelevant, with Obama we got a lot of terrible sub rosa initiatives like Fast and Furious, guns from which are still killing people, but at the level that counts, he and his Democratic Congress gave us *less* gun control, and he didn't publicly question our RKBA in general. Flip to Trump and the GOP, and we got more gun control, half a million minus 500 new Federal felons, and that right has evaporated. None of this will be forgotten.

Blogger Silent Draco October 18, 2019 4:01 PM  

God Emperor Memes, for extra trolling he can claim with a straight face that someone will arrange a lodging rate much better than the allowed per diem; he knows a guy. "What, you don't want to save taxpayers money?"

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 18, 2019 4:06 PM  

I wonder why this post about the cabal getting caught using foreigners to spy on Americans is getting derailed into a discussion of red flag laws.

Blogger weka October 18, 2019 4:29 PM  

Ah, they will face summary revolutionary justice instead. They forgot that after the red progressive terror comes the white terror, which is more effective.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2019 4:41 PM  

@50 Damelon Brinn:

"I wonder why this post about the cabal getting caught using foreigners to spy on Americans is getting derailed into a discussion of red flag laws."

Maybe because it's "dog bites man" "news"? We've known about this MO of the Deep State for a couple of years once we started getting visibility into the first coup against Trump. Christopher Steele? The Israeli "foreign national" who gave George Papadopoulos 10,000 in cash for some work, which Papadopoulos wisely gave to his lawyers in Athens, so when the Feds busted him at Dulles airport they got *nothing*. Joseph Mifsud? A variety of direct actions by U.K. intelligence, and wasn't there something with the Australians? Paper American (and dual citizen?) Rod Rosenberg? That's just off the top of my head.

Blogger tublecane October 18, 2019 5:26 PM  

Imagine being the agent assigned to to watch Mr. Posobiyak talk to himself as he combs his hair in the morning, or listen to Bogongo yell spontaneously at passing fruitstands. (Which is how I imagine they live.)

Blogger Macs October 18, 2019 5:51 PM  

Uho, pissed off Bongino is going to whig out! So much popcorn to munch, so little time!

Blogger Haxo Angmark October 18, 2019 7:01 PM  

a rogues' gallery of neo-conz and cucks. They

deserve far worse than being "spied on". And

no one is going to jail for pestering Drumpf. He

loves this stuff, as it distracts the White idjits who support him

from the fact that he has betrayed them on every populist promise he made.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2019 7:49 PM  

@50 Damelon Brinn:

The other reason is that the Day by Day cartoon https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/impeachable-offense/ @6 Jack Ward mentioned that I just stumbled upon. It draws the very direct connection between the process Trump is being subjected to and the one he advocates for the whole population. Whole because lots of people who don't own guns are getting Red Flagged, 40% of those in Florida:

"We have to make a stand here, Pence, anyone with a grudge can accuse me, in secret, with no due process, find me 'guilty', and impeach me! It's *unprecedented*, it's-

"-It's exactly what you did to millions of gun owners when you supported national Red Flag 'laws', Mr. President."

Except I note he still supports them, and he'll get more due process in the Senate than most gun owners get in a court when a judge requires they prove they're not dangerous. To repeat, a right has become a privilege, and to even get a chance at defending it serious money has to be paid for competent legal counsel.

Blogger James Dixon October 18, 2019 8:52 PM  

> We can fool ourselves 'til the cows come home but all this is going to culminate in war.

Almost certainly. And probably the next time a Democrat gets elected.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 18, 2019 9:08 PM  

@56 Karhu, no, I don't think this particular topic got derailed in that way because a long-time commenter saw a comic strip that alerted him to a fear about red flag laws for the first time despite the fact that that's been discussed here numerous times over the past several months. I think there's a different reason.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim October 18, 2019 9:36 PM  

Thank you for the feedback

Blogger Avalanche October 18, 2019 11:02 PM  

@41 "The NRA's mission is to generate and exploit controversies to increase memberships and donations, not to decisively preserve freedom for future generations."

This, SO this!

And the double-edged sword is that GOA (Gun Owners of America) -- which DOES work to protect our gun rights -- is too small to have as much 'swing' in the Congress. You end having to support both -- GOA to get things done, and NRA because they, at least, can scare the legislatures to mind their votes... so far.

Blogger Boaty Bear October 19, 2019 4:08 AM  

When you see Trump ACTUALLY support Red Flag Laws, Worry.

Until then, remember, Trump says things to wind up .. whoever he feels the need to wind up, at the time.

And regularly about turns on a subject when his objective is achieved.

Blogger Boaty Bear October 19, 2019 4:10 AM  

This ^

Blogger Owen October 19, 2019 4:26 AM  

If they go to jail that’s great but we may have to settle for their abject humiliation , these state department deep staters have a lot of get out of jail free cards.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 19, 2019 7:14 AM  

@42 Nikolai Collushnikov:

"Trump supports Red Flag laws just the same as he supported DACA. He offered a sweet-heart DACA deal, and the Democrats voted against it almost to a man. There have been no now DACA deals, have there?"

@61 Boaty Bear:

"When you see Trump ACTUALLY support Red Flag Laws, Worry.

Until then, remember, Trump says things to wind up .. whoever he feels the need to wind up, at the time."

There's such a thing as the Overton Window, which he helped widen along with the GOP former governor and now Federal senator of Florida. It's theorized that his barely winning the gubernatorial race after pushing and signing a post-Stoneman package of vile gun control is why the GOP has become so open to more. It's also clear from Trump's statements on every specific of gun ownership in the US that he doesn't like it, besides the most basic of issue of self-defense. If you don't believe he's sincere about wanting everything from a new assault weapon ban as he advocated in a recent book before 2016 to Red Flag laws, you're not paying attention.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 19, 2019 10:53 AM  

Karhu wrote:It's also clear from Trump's statements on every specific of gun ownership in the US that he doesn't like it ...

Trump was never our friend.

Trump has done us a world of good, but that's not because he cares about our needs, it's because he needs some of the same things we do, has some of the same enemies we have. Trump has been very, very good for us, but eventually we are going to have to do better.

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