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Friday, November 01, 2019

Ascendancy vs degeneracy

In case you still haven't accepted that China is going to surpass the United States as the leading global power before the middle of the 21st century yet, consider the difference between the moral trajectory of the two societies.
From budgeting for rural weddings to dressing appropriately and avoiding online porn, China's Communist Party has issued new guidelines to improve the "moral quality" of its citizens. Officials have released several sets of guidelines this week alongside a secretive conclave of high-ranking officials in Beijing which discusses the country's future direction.

On Sunday the government published its "Outline for the Implementation of Citizen Moral Construction in the New Era" -- which advises readers how to use the internet, raise children, celebrate public holidays and behave while travelling abroad.

The guidelines from the Central Commission for Guiding Cultural and Ethical Progress calls for building "Chinese spirit, Chinese values, and Chinese power".

The texts urge citizens to avoid pornography and vulgarity online, and follow correct etiquette when raising the flag or singing the national anthem.

Public institutions like libraries and youth centres must carry out "targeted moral education" to improve people's ideological awareness and moral standards, according to the rules.

The guideline also stresses patriotism and loyalty to the motherland.

"People who have a servile attitude to foreign countries, damage national dignity and sell national interests must be disciplined according to the law," it says.
Translation: The Chinese leadership is well aware of the long-term program of the Learned Elders of Wye to jump from the United States to China when the former empire collapses and have no intention of allowing them to run that program of subversion and economic ascendancy through invasion and moral inversion to the disadvantage of their nation.

It is more than a little ironic that where Christians failed to heed the warnings of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul, Confucians - and they are Confucians, not Communists, no matter what they officially happen to call themselves - are aware of the danger of permitting a foreign nation to invade and invert their society. Even more impressive, instead of waiting passively for the next attack, they have launched a systematic campaign to seize the strongholds of their long-term rivals and enemies.

As for those who have been predicting China's collapse due to various economic and demographic indicators, that is a failure to grasp the causal relationship between societal wealth and morality. It is the latter that precedes the former; while there are certainly challenges and structural weaknesses that threaten the stability and well-being of both great societies, the Chinese elite is most likely going to be able to deal successfully with them. The US elite, both foreign and native, is obviously not.

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88 Comments:

Blogger Wario's Mart November 01, 2019 7:16 AM  

The benefits of centralisation. VD what do you make of moral rectitude and virtue outside a Christian framework. Do Christians have to concede Confucian morality and society is superior?

Blogger VD November 01, 2019 7:19 AM  

It's not the benefits of centralization. It is the benefit of vision, courage, and leadership.

Anyone is capable of behaving correctly outside the Christian framework. They simply focus on the consequences and accept elements of that framework without understanding why. The more of it they accept, the better it works for them.

And no, obviously not. The West failed because Christians abandoned Christianity and Christian morals due to systematic subversion, cowardice, and a failure of Christian leadership.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 01, 2019 7:28 AM  

I got thru about 100 comments, perhaps the Learned Elders of Wye are putting themselves on an island between China and what remains of the "West." Not a lot of love for the Chinese government or even the Chinese themselves, which brings me around to my conspiracy theory that "Wokeness" was created and fueled by the CIA in part to export to the world, especially China the next great pig to be bled dry by the Healers.

Thankfully we will probably never know what the inscrutable Chinese think of Wokeness till after they start shooting the Woke thanks to the great Liberal - Conservative butt sniffing game which keeps us occupied.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 01, 2019 7:37 AM  

It's possible it may take a couple of generations. There's a Nick Fuentes video (yeah, I know...) that demonstrates that younger right-wing Americans may be basically turning Chinese in regards to Israel and faggotry, and that Charlie Kirk will fare no better than Jeb Bush.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 01, 2019 7:43 AM  

I remember hearing this many years ago, at the time I couldn't fathom how US hegemony could be challenged but today it is quite clear. Corruption (specifically the corruption of morality) is a decaying rot, a cancer that if allowed to spread will consume its host. And history is on track to repeat itself yet again.

Blogger dienw November 01, 2019 7:53 AM  

Next thing you know the Chinese leadership will be accused of being Calvinists or worse... gasp...Puritans!

Blogger tuberman November 01, 2019 8:02 AM  

Yep, China has been Nationalist all along, just playing the Players.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 01, 2019 8:08 AM  

Speaking of possible ascendancy one of the twittercons tweeted an article from Business Insider about Russian children learning about the AK-47 including its field stripping maintenance while also included in the lesson plan the inventor's late in life regrets about creating the AK. IMO such a lesson plan is for the youth on the path to responsible adulthood, now compare that to America's Children of the Cult Marx Corn Field.

Blogger Steve Samson November 01, 2019 8:09 AM  

The Chinese leadership has the advantage of being Chinese, not (((Chinese))). That has to help.

Blogger QW November 01, 2019 8:09 AM  

"It is more than a little ironic that where Christians failed to heed the warnings of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul, Confucians - (...) - are aware of the danger of permitting a foreign nation to invade and invert their society."

Any chance for more precise sourcing to learn more on this? With Jesus I assume it refers to Matthew 12:25, but what bout Paul and the Confucians?

Blogger Stilicho November 01, 2019 8:17 AM  

I don't see any significant difference between these Chinese guidelines and those issued by the Soviets at various points during the reign of the commissars. The soviets aspired to moral rectitude from the masses and discouraged foreign influence as well. The Chinese may execute such plans better than the soviets, but they aren't doing anything we haven't seen before.

Perhaps command and control confucian morality will work for them due to strong cultural programming in favor of conformity, but it has not lasted under previous leaders and Xi will exit the mortal coil at some point. The cultural battle between conformity and corruption will continue.

Blogger dienw November 01, 2019 8:17 AM  

@10 QW
Romans chapter I.

Blogger The Observer November 01, 2019 8:18 AM  

Anyone is capable of behaving correctly outside the Christian framework. They simply focus on the consequences and accept elements of that framework without understanding why. The more of it they accept, the better it works for them.

Virtuous pagans existed. Other belief systems can share aspects of what made Christiandom great while still being totally insufficient for salvation; their correctness simply points towards to the Logos of Christianity.

The Chinese leadership has the advantage of being Chinese, not (((Chinese))). That has to help.

When (((they))) have attempted to subvert the Orient, they have always had to resort to golems and traitors to do their dirty work because of their inability to blend in.

Blogger My Shield Is Disgust November 01, 2019 8:19 AM  

This is why I don’t think we’re in the end times. There’s going to be a worldwide spiritual delusion, not just a Western one. We fell for the smallhat lies, but other civilizations didn’t. And Special People power is waning everywhere.

In order to bring about Antichrist, the Enemy needs something not on earth today. The Beast from the Abyss that was, and is not, and is to come. A bunch of pathetic grabblers were never going to end the world.

Blogger Shane Bradman November 01, 2019 8:20 AM  

A good way to judge a country's morality would be to examine their pornography and the laws and social rules surrounding it, but it would be a poor, poor soul whoever gets assigned that job. Any other indicators?

Blogger dienw November 01, 2019 8:20 AM  

Perhaps command and control confucian morality will work for them due to strong cultural programming in favor of conformity, but it has not lasted under previous leaders and Xi will exit the mortal coil at some point. The cultural battle between conformity and corruption will continue.

The waxing and waning of moral rectitude is an historical pattern; but, there is a point of no return: we have reached the point where Sodom can object to unjust treatment.

Blogger Johnny November 01, 2019 8:24 AM  

That we are a declining power would seem unavoidable. Even if we were well run, and we are progressively less well run, the rest of the world would be catching up with us.

As for China, they may well be doing what they are doing out of a perception of weakness rather than strength. The are anticipating a economic slow down that will increase the pressure on the leadership. To deal with it they are turning more authoritarian ahead of time. No more Tienanmen Square events.

Can't say that I know, but I have never thought that (((they))) had a snowball's chance in hell in China. Too much ethnic solidarity in the Orient.

Blogger Shane Bradman November 01, 2019 8:30 AM  

The Jews have zero chance at touching China. The Chinese will proudly tell you how racist they are. Jewish name games don't work.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2019 8:31 AM  

As I understand it, China is an umbrella over peoples showing a degree of heterogeneity, but the difference is that they all share thousands of years of history/civilization. This strikes me as important.

Heading Off At The Pass the moral subversion of rapidly advancing living standards is quite brilliant, and a key difference between East and West. In the West it was promises of a Chicken in Every Pot; in the East, the Confucian ethic of honoring one's ancestors aligned with reminding citizen-subjects that their rising living standards came with OBLIGATIONS.

China's openly oligarchical political rule also prevented the cancerous rot of democracy. If I were part of the ruling apparatus I'd see any nascent "democracy movements" as existential threats to my fellow citizens' lives...because that's what they are. Pro-democracy "protesters" are the metastatic cancer cells of decivilization.

It follows directly: When every man (or worse, woman) can fancy himself "in charge," and plebiscites become bidding wars to purchase votes with Other People's Money, not only does the scum then rise to the top, all roads also lead to infantilism, idiocracy and complete moral degradation. There's a reason that the utter destruction of Christianity in the West paralleled the annihilation of Monarchy by World War One. The West was relieved of its rudder by Wilson, and if one man could roast in hell for the horrors he wrought, dear Woodrow might top the candidate list.

The West burned brighter than did the East, but in doing so it consumed itself. The candle of the East will remain lit.

Blogger Durandel November 01, 2019 8:46 AM  

@dc.sunsets - how dare you, sir. How dare you imply that universal suffrage turns every election into a run off for the hottest student class president.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2019 9:10 AM  

> ...but the difference is that they all share thousands of years of history/civilization.

So did we. We abandoned it.

Blogger Brett baker November 01, 2019 9:31 AM  

The fact that the Chinese, of all people, needed to be reminded of traditional morality is telling.

Blogger Oswald November 01, 2019 9:38 AM  

And the Chinese, unlike the West, do not have women in charge of them. That is a difference.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2019 9:43 AM  

>> ...but the difference is that they all share thousands of years of history/civilization.

>So did we. We abandoned it.

...for a few iBeads and Trinket-likes. I suppose this gives insight to what's ahead when this long period of burning the seed corn so we can laugh uproariously at shadow-puppets reaches its denouement.

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 01, 2019 9:44 AM  

The West is convulsed with the battle between the Globohomo order and the upstart Nationalist Populist movement.

The Central Commission for Guiding Cultural and Ethical Progress ought to be renamed the Central Commission for Channeling Elite Paranoia and Anxiety.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2019 9:50 AM  

We had the success of our ancestors on which to build, but we failed to understand the source of that success and were easily duped by parasites into squandering it. For me, perhaps the most fundamental of Nature's Laws is Say's. As soon as Westerners let (ahem) someone revise it out of existence, all roads led down.

I don't think humans are smart enough to improve on Nature, and when someone promises to do so, that's the first indication they intend to rob, rape and murder you.

[Say's Law: In order to consume, you must first produce. All modern banking (and thus all monetary, fiscal and financial policy) flies in the face of this.]

Blogger D Zniger November 01, 2019 9:51 AM  

A new concept for me, where a government implements higher standards of morality. In my region the government backs anyone who goes down in the standard and it is called freedom.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2019 9:55 AM  

And while I agree that China will surpass the US as the leading world power, I don't necessarily agree that it will be a global power. They (like the US) are an empire, not a nation. While the Chinese elite may be able to deal with their upcoming problems, their ability to maintain that empire while doing so is not assured. And without the US to measure themselves against, they may not even want to be a global power, merely a regional one.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2019 9:58 AM  

> ...for a few iBeads and Trinket-likes.

No one ever said we were an expensive date.

Blogger Angela November 01, 2019 10:04 AM  

I agree with you. I've always viewed the Age of the Church as a whole as the "end times", however long they may last. I'd always considered that the new testament language of urgency meant this Era, however many physical years it may be, was end times. I think the west-centric apocalypse model made popular by fiction novels made mountains out of grabbler molehills. I don't believe anyone in our comfortable society can truly comprehend the depth of depravity that will exist when the real Days of Noah arrive. And given the delusion perhaps they never will except those who have ears to ear and eyes to see.

Blogger Dr Caveman November 01, 2019 10:06 AM  

The Chinese are highly meritocratic and have perfected a system of identifying and training talented 18 year olds, even if they are born in a rural area 1500 miles away from Beijing.

What does the US have? A diversitopia where math is racist, achievement is suspicious and identity is far more important than talent.

While Chinese highschool students study 12-14 hour per day, the US has a rotten Common Core system that will cripple education for the next decade.

Most financial and technical companies as well of large swaths of academia (STEM, never gender studies) are already run de-facto by Indians and Chinese.

The US has already been weakened from within. We'll find out how deep the rot goes when the conflict with China becomes hotter

Blogger David Ray Milton November 01, 2019 10:09 AM  

Yes, it appears that China will become the leading empire very soon. Yes, it appears their elites have learned lessons that we have failed to grasp about national loyalty. Yes, some very positive preventative steps can be made regarding morality through legal code (banning porn).

Evil, however, cannot be banned through mandate. And affluence, once attained, is a bitch to manage.

My hunch (and it’s nothing more than a hunch) is that China’s elite remain united only through their ascendency. Under dogs banning together. Once they reach the top and their elites start competing against each other they’re going to quickly have problems. Low trust and a-morality are poor foundations for maintaining empire.

Blogger Oswald November 01, 2019 10:18 AM  

30 Yes the last generation will be a true abomination. I do not think God ends the World because the date he set long ago has finally arrived, but because Man has once again brought it to the brink himself. Thus, building on that, it seems to me every generation has an opportunity to not be the last generation. One thing I like about Vox, and that is his courage! He says the things so many of us want to say, as well as many we have not thought of, and puts his name to it. What courage that takes! If we are to not be that last generation, then the truth must be spoken and the falsehoods exposed! That takes courageous people like Vox Day to that.

Blogger QW November 01, 2019 10:20 AM  

dienw wrote:@10 QW

Romans chapter I.


Thank you. Seems I misunderstood Vox' text a bit, but is much clearer now.

Blogger Didas Kalos November 01, 2019 10:35 AM  

Matthew 28:19-20.teach all nations

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia November 01, 2019 11:21 AM  

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Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia November 01, 2019 11:31 AM  

The problem with a centralized morality, coupled with a centralized economy is....what's the word I'm looking for?...it's on the tip of my tongue...

Oh, that's right, it fucking CENTRALIZED.

The reason the USA more less worked for a couple centuries is that we had an uncentralized bottom up morality (up until the '60s) called, to use Churchill's term, "Christendom." Even a quasi-socialist like FDR understood that morality and supported it. Certainly the 18th century founders the USA, theists though they were, understood that.

That morality, as this blog's proprietor and others have noted, is long gone.

China's economy is in deep trouble, largely because of its centralized approach, but also because the GE understands its weaknesses and is exploiting them.

No one really knows, but don't be surprised, if you peel back the numbers, that there are hundreds of millions of Chinese living in poverty, and that they won't get out of that situation anytime soon.

Making sure the people don't watch porn isn't going to change that.

Blogger Oswald November 01, 2019 11:34 AM  

My only question, at the moment, on China, is how did they modernize so quickly. The capital investment must have been massive. Did that money come Western Banks?

Blogger peacefulposter November 01, 2019 11:37 AM  

Nationalism good.
Govt control bad.
Makes China a tough call.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 01, 2019 11:52 AM  

Yes, China is so moral. Unless you count the 10 million abortions they have a year plus the 10 million abortion pills sold in China each year. China tops the total abortions for the past 45 years in the US every 5 years.
Only a fool would applaud the ascendancy of the evil hive mind state of China.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 01, 2019 11:58 AM  

@38 did they modernize? Sort of. They skipped over generations of tech progress by copying us. High IQ people can do that.

They radically increased GDP by dragging people out of autarchy. When someone goes from pure subsistence farming to producing a few dollars a day of surplus, that's an infinite percentage gain of productivity. It doesn't take much investment to achieve that. Western companies have eagerly been gifting them factories and technology in return for slave labor for decades, so it's easy to see where the little capital needed came from: it came from the Western banksters who finance our ruin.

peacefulposter wrote:Nationalism good.
Govt control bad.
Makes China a tough call.


No, it's easy if you quit trying to force everything into just two boxes. There are no good guys, and even our enemies can get some things right.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 01, 2019 12:01 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Yes, China is so moral. Unless you count the 10 million abortions they have a year plus the 10 million abortion pills sold in China each year. China tops the total abortions for the past 45 years in the US every 5 years.

They have a plan to keep their people - at least the ones they don't sacrifice to Moloch - from destroying their nation in selfish pursuits. Withou Jesus, that's about as good as it gets. It's better official policy than we have.

Blogger Jack Amok November 01, 2019 12:03 PM  

China is a low-trust society who's recent success has been built on exploiting a high-trust society. As soon as we're no longer a rich enough host to maintain their economic advances, they will revert to the squabbling clans they've always been. Perhaps their floor is higher, but we're seeing their ceiling. China's success is largely another legacy of the Boomers, and won't outlive them.

Blogger Doug Cranmer November 01, 2019 12:06 PM  

"... how did they modernize so quickly."

Starting from the mid 80s in our technical schools it was phenomenally well organized as one giant looting operation.

And from what I saw in industry there were a lot of sell outs and traitors who were well rewarded in various ways. This goes from top government officials down to mid level management.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Remember?

We threw it away.

Blogger Doug Cranmer November 01, 2019 12:07 PM  

And the organ harvesting.

Blogger Richard Martel November 01, 2019 12:11 PM  

Contrast these Chinese policies with the American obsession with drag queens and giving children sex changes. Yesterday, I read about a Drag Queen Story Time in Minneapolis in which the "performer" repeatedly exposed himself to the children. We deserve a collapsed empire.

Blogger Crush Limbraw November 01, 2019 12:24 PM  

"As to those without the law....." - Romans 2:12-16 - that stuck in my mind when I read Vox's comments.
Also found this - http://www.onepassionministries.org/transcripts/2017/11/28/those-who-have-never-heard-romans-212-16
Bottom line - be doers, not just hearers!
Isn't that the Conservative and/or Churchian conundrum?

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 01, 2019 12:26 PM  

We can dote on our collapse freely until the Chinese overlords start renaming our cities. If they even bothered actually. It'll be ((certain influences)) already trying to rename things because feelings.
But I am becoming more interested in winning lately, and not to "take the country back". The country was a failure. Winning that back is pointless. It's time for new and better ways. And Christ is in that plan.

Blogger basementhomebrewer November 01, 2019 12:26 PM  

Morals definitely help a nation rise, but more to the point, the dedication to and pursuit of truth is what is paramount. The Chinese adopting some ethics will help them, but as long as there isn't a large stigma against lying for personal profit/greed they will still have trouble maintaining an upward trajectory.

Being a high trust society is a weakness when people no longer suspect outsiders of being dishonest. It is a massive advantage when individuals/outsiders acting in a low trust fashion are identified and ruthlessly punished.

Blogger Robert What? November 01, 2019 12:43 PM  

Will we have a Holocaust within the next 20-30 years? A real one this time?

Blogger justaguy November 01, 2019 12:56 PM  

The demographics of China do not look like they lead to ascendancy. The West's current moral structure also do not look like ascendancy. Who falls fastest?

Blogger VD November 01, 2019 1:10 PM  

Who falls fastest?

Those starting possessing a core of 200 million instead of 1.2 billion.

Blogger braq November 01, 2019 1:29 PM  

The more laws and restrictions there are,
The poorer people become.
The sharper men's weapons,
The more trouble in the land.
The more ingenious and clever men are,
The more strange things happen.
The more rules and regulations,
The more thieves and robbers.


- Lao Tzu

He sounds like a lolbertarian.

Vox if you haven't read this book you might find it edifying. The sole Amazon reviewer was apparently too short for the ride, and it was a very dense read for sure but an interesting approach to placing Confucius in historical/linguistic context.

https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Through-Confucius-Systematic-Philosophy/dp/0887063772

Blogger Oswald November 01, 2019 1:40 PM  

So can the Chinese keep advancing technologically once they take first position and are not able to borrow technologies from other more advance countries?

Blogger Oswald November 01, 2019 1:54 PM  

54. I did some more research on this. I think my premise was wrong.

Blogger xevious2030 November 01, 2019 1:59 PM  

"and are not able to borrow technologies"

That's where the long term concept of advantage comes in. Advancing is possible, but comparative rate is the issue. The question is as to who they will be advancing in relation to.

Blogger Fergus November 01, 2019 2:04 PM  

The Chicoms will implode because they were never proliterians but peasants and so considered nthing more than rude stepchildren by the Soviets.

Now they foolishly sent peasants to take stolen jobs from Americans. But paid them far less then expected. Still, that will end as automation and robotics takes those jobs.

Meanwhile the Chicoms promised property owneship which did not materialize despite ghost cities.

Then a trade war happened ruining their dreams of worldwide domination.

And now for the last four months they are in a major agricultural crisis similar to what North Koreans have faced over and over.

Wait,it gets worse, Wall Street is waking up that the Emperor has noclothes and just cooked the books.

And then a masssive swine disease is almost certainly going to annihilate what remains of the Chinese food supply.

It's going to be pitchfork-time.

Blogger Fergus November 01, 2019 2:06 PM  

If you can't feed your own people and then play mind games and overt economic war with the country whose farmers are feeding your people, you are totally nuts.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) November 01, 2019 2:29 PM  

the current United States is not a Capitalist economy.

it is a Deptist economy.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 01, 2019 2:48 PM  

Considering the recent statement about China and Xi by (((Soros))), a longtime healer so thoroughly evil who gets about as close as one can get today to being the physical incarnation of Satan himself - it appears the Han elite are actually aware of the endless subversion, perversion and inversion of the healers in tiny hats. All they needed to do was observe what was going on here in the West of course. It's good for them they were able to do so. Too bad so many in the ruin of Christendom refuse to open their eyes and see.

Blogger Karen took the Kids November 01, 2019 3:07 PM  

The Chinese elite seem to be in positions of power because of moral integrity, intelligence and a track record of excellence in their relative fields. The US elite are elite in name only, usually related to how vehemently they support funding for 'them'.

Blogger Fergus November 01, 2019 3:57 PM  

Re 61, well ahem, you skipped the part of being good little parroting Chicoms not rocking the social credit boat or risk being purged.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov November 01, 2019 4:27 PM  

*The Chinese elite seem to be in positions of power because of moral integrity, intelligence and a track record of excellence in their relative fields.*

Tee hee hee hee.

Blogger kurt9 November 01, 2019 5:23 PM  

China does have a history of allowing other groups to live in China. There are both White Russian and Jewish communities in and around the Shanghai area. These groups were largely unmolested during the turbulent history (Japanese invasion, Mao cultural revolution). However, the unstood agreement has been that these outsider groups will make no attempt to have influence in China's politics or culture. The Elders of Wye need to keep this in mind with regards to their dealings with China, lest they prompt an immediate "immune system" response on the part of Chinese society and culture.

Blogger Clay November 01, 2019 6:33 PM  

You guys need to sink lower to find the root. It's all in the Public Schools. Warren says she wants "diversity" among the Public School teachers in the PSiS. Diversity is when the shit landed. I was there. We were assigned a black teacher who could not have spelled the word cat, And he was trying to pronounce the word bourgeoisie, and it was comical, at best.
Of course, he would include his massive credentials, from Jackson State, on all the forms he graded.


I met him many years later, When he was working for the EEOC. Go figure.
I've always wondered how the Bell Curve, and the Grade Curve would compare.

Blogger Tanjil Bren November 01, 2019 7:33 PM  

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Blogger Bartolo November 01, 2019 7:33 PM  

The Healers... I love that one. Here they are, trying to heal... nay, trying to *save* Croatia of its demographic woes: https://balkaninsight.com/2019/10/31/croatia-faces-long-term-stagnation-of-demographic-decline/

Blogger Tanjil Bren November 01, 2019 7:34 PM  

"As for those who have been predicting China's collapse due to various economic and demographic indicators..."

Not so much collapse as relapse (and not without a solid fight).

A society that views death as being the necessary penalty for crimes like corruption (and I'll fully accept that they know their people well enough to gauge the necessary level of deterrent), for example, or that accepts the consumption of aborted human fetuses in the form of 'baby soup' (slow cooked in a chicken broth) as an aphrodisiac, raises just as many red flags for me as were fluttering in the '80s and early '90s when we watched the ascendancy of the 'Asian Tigers' (of the paper variety, as it all too predictably turned out).

It just reeks of dysfunction.

Blogger Fergus November 01, 2019 8:50 PM  

What is hard to believe is Nixon going to China in the first place and starting us down this trade route which even from the start was using prison labor. I can remember at the time a journalist remarked they had no snow plows but plent of laborers who just all picked up snow shovels. They went from thatand having to relocate peasants from the rural regions (using grand tales of wealth) to lure them. These are the same ones who have no safety rules, who are worked to death, and are have persistent cause to off themselves.

They went from that to an industrial giant. What do you think serfs will do when they are abandoned in an urban environment as a robot takes their job. Now I think a full scale revolt.

Blogger fluxtheory November 01, 2019 8:51 PM  

@68 Dont fall for the fake news peddled by the sino-smearers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Yu_(artist)#Significant_Works

Blogger map November 01, 2019 9:09 PM  

VD,

"The Chinese leadership is well aware of the long-term program of the Learned Elders of Wye to jump from the United States to China when the former empire collapses."

The Deep State's plan was to move their operation to China. After taking over the US in 1865, and enriching itself through successive wars,the people became enervated and unruly, so, starting in the late 1980's, the plan was to detonate the United States and move their operation to China. Every policy...offshore outsourcing, mass immigration, the wars, etc...was a bust-out operation against the United States. Hillary Clinton was the final nail in the coffin. Her job was to initialize a limited nuclear war between the US and Russia so that Deep State could manage a weakened world from their new Chinese location.

It was found, however, that the Chinese were going to betray Deep State. When this betrayal was discovered, half the Deep State refused to reverse course. Thus, a civil war started. Trump was recruited by a faction of this to re-nationalize the United States against those other factions of Deep State that wanted to stay the course.

This is why Mueller failed. Trump has very powerful allies.

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Blogger Deterministic Randomness November 01, 2019 10:33 PM  

I work in the US and 80% of my coworkers are chinese. They are consistently the most boring people I have ever known. They have no interests, hobbies, never read a book, no political opinions, don't do anything for fun, don't try new foods. They consume chinese news only. They have no interest in integrating into the american society or on anything american or western. They socialize only with other chinese. They are happy to work long hours, are strongly motivated by money and career success, they have solid traditional families, and raise their kids to be fierce, smart, and competitive. They recruit other chinese people like them to work in our, oh so american, company. They are no nonsense, and they are crushing it.
The future is bland...

Blogger Nate November 01, 2019 11:13 PM  

yawn.

china is the future!

oh if only we hadn't been hearing this bullshit for since 1998.

vox.. the fact that the US fucked you and your family dies not make China good. nor does it make China favored.

China is fucked. math is math

Blogger Gen. Kong November 01, 2019 11:18 PM  

Bartolo wrote:

The Healers... I love that one. Here they are, trying to heal... nay, trying to *save* Croatia of its demographic woes: https://balkaninsight.com/2019/10/31/croatia-faces-long-term-stagnation-of-demographic-decline/

It's really a near-perfect term for them. It also happens to mesh quite nicely with the delicious term for some of the more noxiously groveling regimes in the empire they control - The Axis of Kindness - including our own Kwa-Bananaland (where Housenigga Hussein now presides as the Pope of Woke).

Of course the healers are advocating open borders for Croatia, just as they are endlessly advocating them for every single country in what was once called Christendom and lately even Japan. One particular country not only gets to have a closed border and a wall, but even gets to engage in outright ethnic cleansing. Yet countless of the clueless sheep and cattle will follow wherever the gaslight leads them. I'm coming to believe there's but one way to break the spell - as the force which powers them is not flesh and blood.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 01, 2019 11:21 PM  

Vox, the Chinese are communist butchers. They are no more moral than we are. They are just as much sadistic murderers as the worst of the paper Americans or PP demons. They have slaughtered at least as many or more of their own people as America has killed unborn children.

I don't know what your UHIQ angle is here, but I'd sure love to know. If you don't have an angle here, you are dead fucking wrong about the Chinese.

Blogger spinoza November 01, 2019 11:33 PM  

Perfection lies in absence of a critique.

Blogger S1AL November 02, 2019 12:21 AM  

"They have slaughtered at least as many or more of their own people as America has killed unborn children."

You're off by an order of magnitude, after adjusting for percentage. The best estimate available is that China has FORTY TIMES as many abortions per year, compared to the USA (or 10x per capita).

Not accounting for any of the mass murders committed against adults...

Blogger Tanjil Bren November 02, 2019 2:49 AM  

"They have no interests, hobbies...don't do anything for fun..."

In which case you've missed something: they're incorrigible gamblers.

Blogger papabear November 02, 2019 4:14 AM  

Take a look at Mao's widow and the chief executive of Hong Kong and her government. There are others as well. Chinese communism is not opposed to feminism; feminism had been a part of Chinese revolutionary thought since before the Revolution against the Qing.

Blogger papabear November 02, 2019 4:15 AM  

Historically, Chinese meritocracy is largely BS and has more to do bureaucracy than actual leadership.

Blogger Jack November 02, 2019 4:55 AM  

I was considering whether the Chinese Communist Party might be essentially Confucian as well, but I don't think that's the case sadly. There are other forms of ancient Chinese politics and the current Chinese regime seems more to resemble the Legalist school, the one which encouraged the burning of ancient texts and complete state censorship of history and literature. The main anti-confucian principle of the Chinese Communist Party is its official and enforced atheism and materialism taken from Marx and Lenin; whereas Confucius' entire moral system is predicated on their being a supernatural Heaven or Way on which all human actions are to be followed and modelled after. Mao detested Confucius and sought to wipe out especially all the religious aspects of Confucianism, from what I gather.

https://www.saisreview.org/2019/06/24/confucius-corrects-the-communist-party/

Blogger James Dixon November 02, 2019 9:01 AM  

> China is fucked. math is math

The current Chinese economy is, yes. Whether that means China itself is can be debated. Whatever else happens the steady stream of income they've had from the US is going to disappear, which will almost certainly crater their economy.

Blogger anorganicbear November 02, 2019 2:41 PM  

What are the odds of this actually working without a resurgence in Christianity? The government is at odds with itself if it thinks it can institute morality while also suppressing the Christian faith. I think that will ultimately be its downfall, although probably not for many years, unless they learn to embrace the faith.

Blogger papabear November 02, 2019 4:54 PM  

Arguably Confucianism was appropriated by the imperial government to serve it's purposes. Hence the development of what could be called "imperial Confucianism."

Blogger Tim Gilley November 02, 2019 8:31 PM  

Some years ago I was staying in a hotel in Leshan, Sichuan province. While I was cleaning up the phone rang and my Chinese friend answered. He was hesitant to tell me what the call was about as he was obviously embarrassed. Seems a prostitute was prospecting the laowai(me) for business. I wasn't surprised by the call and told my friend that this is common around the world. His primary concern was the embarrassment for his country. He despises the Communist party so this wasn't a political response. He truly wants the best for his nation.

Blogger Doug November 04, 2019 9:59 AM  

Its totality true

Blogger Unknown February 04, 2020 3:15 PM  

Um. You were saying?

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