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Saturday, November 09, 2019

Don't count us out

Somehow, UATV was left out of consideration in The Great Streaming Battle:
Titans of media and technology are wagering billions that consumers will pay them a monthly fee to stream TV and movies over the internet. Walt Disney Co. DIS 3.76% is launching a $6.99-a-month service next week, following Apple Inc.’s entry earlier this month. AT&T Inc. T -0.10% and Comcast Corp. CMCSA 1.10% ’s NBCUniversal next year will mount their own challenges to streaming juggernaut Netflix Inc.

The combatants are fighting on the same battlefield, all seeking to lure in subscribers, but they have radically different motivations—and some have far more at stake than others.

Legacy giants like Disney and AT&T’s WarnerMedia are racing to reinvent their core media business, which is under assault as consumers turn away from traditional broadcast and cable TV. For them, selling streaming subscriptions to consumers has to work—and has to be profitable. For Apple, while streaming can advance its business, failure is an option.

Consumers will have choices to make as new entrants join the fray: Americans are willing to spend an average of $44 monthly on streaming video and subscribe to an average of 3.6 services, according to a survey of over 2,000 people in recent days by The Wall Street Journal and the Harris Poll. That is up roughly $14 from what most people pay now.

But with so many existing players already in the market—Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video, CBS All Access and ESPN+, among others—not everyone can emerge victorious. “This market is going to have to shake out -- it doesn’t feel like all these players can continue to play this game forever,” said David Wertheimer, a former president of digital products at Fox Networks Group who is now a media and tech investor.
We're not in the mix now. But in five years, who knows?

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56 Comments:

Blogger Wazdakka November 09, 2019 4:54 PM  

Why the hell not. Sneak through the back door while these jokers fight amongst themselves.

Blogger The Course of Empire November 09, 2019 4:55 PM  

I'm sure they'll do their best to keep UATV and other 'wrong think' streaming options out of the public discourse. They wouldn't want anyone to discover who you are and maybe have their eyes opened more about what is going on.

Blogger Sillon November 09, 2019 4:56 PM  

But with so many existing players already in the market—Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video, CBS All Access and ESPN+, among others—not everyone can emerge victorious.

But muh (((Imaginary billions...)))

Blogger carnaby November 09, 2019 4:59 PM  

We currently pay the following monthly subscriptions:

1. Unauthorized
2. Funimation
3. Hulu
4. Netflix - but plan to turf it now that the Netflix exclusive show my daughter watches has wrapped up
5. Hidive
6. YouTube but only for cobra kai then cancel when we're done with that
7. NHL

No way in hell paying for Disney or any of those other ones.

Blogger Chris Lopes November 09, 2019 5:06 PM  

As I understand it, Netflix is borrowed into the next century, Hulu is offering things that can be found elsewhere, and CBS is showing things no one wants for free. Amazon's stuff isn't bad, but it's just an added benefit of Prime. Nothing on that list says "please take my money".

Blogger cylindrical crown November 09, 2019 5:07 PM  

We pay:
Area-51
Real Debrid
IPVanish

Blogger Servant November 09, 2019 5:20 PM  

Cobra Kai is good but not worth the subscription. I mean it would be if I didn't think it was a psy op to get me to pay for their subscription which they'll later subvert with their garbage. Arrrrr. YouTube demonetizing people and taking thirty percent from superchats is criminal.

Owens content has convinced me to subscribe to unauthorized, looking forward to the special and mountain bears content is good stuff. Hope to see more.

Blogger Garuna November 09, 2019 5:21 PM  

I haven't given a dime to Hollywood or their faggot allies since they endorsed terrorism against Trump supporters.

Make Piracy Great Again!

Blogger RealTalk103 November 09, 2019 5:22 PM  

I have to ask my priest if this is stealing but I pay Unauthorized and I cancelled all my streaming services. If I want to watch their stuff, I bootleg it via a BitTorrent app right from my Amazon fire stick. I rather not pay these degenerates, and justify it (perhaps wrongly) as an act of me personally deplatforming these evil corporations from my hard earned money and a defiant act of breaking the Deep State imperial monopoly on the entertainment industry.

Blogger vmax71 November 09, 2019 5:44 PM  

The damn bottleneck neck will be the fiberoptic cable or the satellite....if someone (s) get (s) enough power, then they will prevent private people from using the bandwidth. All of the preparations have to be made to create bandwidth that can't be fucked with...

Blogger carnaby November 09, 2019 5:46 PM  

Cobra Kai is worth it. So far. Wonder if they'll subvert it? As it stands I would trade my mangy 10 year old dog for a season of Cobra Kai.

Blogger J Van Stry November 09, 2019 5:52 PM  

They surveyed two thousand people and thought that was representative? Wow...
Bet all 2000 live in the bay are or NYC.

That '$44' number is highly suspicious to me. Netflix is getting close to pricing people out. Amazon charges 120 a year for prime ($10 a month) and you get movies, music, and free 2-day delivery. People are not going to subscribe to everything under the sun, they only have so much money to spend. I don't really think Disney offers enough content to go their own way.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 09, 2019 6:05 PM  

Cobra Kai is worth it. So far. Wonder if they'll subvert it?

Do you wonder, really? I don't.

Blogger Cetera November 09, 2019 6:08 PM  

RealTalk103 wrote:I have to ask my priest if this is stealing but I pay Unauthorized and I cancelled all my streaming services. If I want to watch their stuff, I bootleg it via a BitTorrent app right from my Amazon fire stick. I rather not pay these degenerates, and justify it (perhaps wrongly) as an act of me personally deplatforming these evil corporations from my hard earned money and a defiant act of breaking the Deep State imperial monopoly on the entertainment industry.

Would you purchase it if you weren't pirating it? If no, you wouldn't buy it anyway, then no, you're no depriving them of a sale, and you're not depriving them of product they produced. Not theft.

Blogger Mauldication Bear November 09, 2019 6:25 PM  

Hey Vox, last you spoke of it, you said one of the UATV apps would be available very soon. Have an update?

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums November 09, 2019 6:28 PM  

I never understood the US' thing about paying for streaming services. Torrents offer greater quality, availability, privacy, and above all affordability. All these dozens upon dozens of streaming services that are popping out are not unlike an economic bubble. The creator support subscriber model seems the way to go in the long run.

Imagine how Hollywood would look today if people had the option of paying after the fact. What we have now is the equivalent of a restaurant that takes your money first and makes you eat the food whether you like it or not.

To mix Owen's metaphor with a meme: What do you get when you decide to buy the Devil Mouse ticket over, and over, and over again? You get what you fucking deserve.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 09, 2019 6:44 PM  

Any word on taking in additional content creators?

Blogger David The Good November 09, 2019 6:50 PM  

I'm doing better on UA after less than a year than I did on YouTube during my first five years. Good growth! High Energy!

A big thanks to my subscribers making it work.

Blogger cecilhenry November 09, 2019 6:52 PM  

WEll one things clear, the poz emanating from Netflix is becoming unbearable even to my boomer parents.

If they're starting to get it, who else is???

Blogger NP_see November 09, 2019 6:57 PM  

I blame my proclivity for online piracy on my Russian father's genes. I surprised myself when I signed up for UATV. Worth every penny.

Blogger American Nationalist November 09, 2019 7:24 PM  

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Blogger Damelon Brinn November 09, 2019 8:19 PM  

To see the future of streaming, read up on the Great Video Game Crash of 1983. The market was flooded with video game consoles and a ton of content was created for them, much of it garbage. The ensuing crash wiped out 97% of the market and many companies.

Don't buy any stock or lifetime subscriptions. Except to UATV, of course.

Blogger Dave Dave November 09, 2019 9:00 PM  

I pirate most media because it's not worth any more than that. UA is worth the $7 a month.

Blogger Sargent.matrim November 09, 2019 9:20 PM  

Unauthorized got my subscription. I cancelled my Netflix subscription ages ago, and have not regretted signing up to UATV. I have one other Aussie based service.

I showed a couple of friends some of the Reclaiming the Sword doco. They loved it. Can't wait to see what comes out next.

Blogger Stilicho November 09, 2019 9:30 PM  

UATV has a solid, non-fickle base which supports it because it believes in the mission and because the content is good and also supports the mission. That is a well-fortified position from which to build. The progress in the last couple of years is astounding: the comics, infogalactic, UATV, Rebel's Run, Castalia's new publishing...

And that's a great start even if we were fighting 2GW. We are not. It's 4GW incorporating the lessons of 3GW. We just have to be able to recognize the inflection points and exploit them as they occur (e.g. Replatforming).



Blogger maniacprovost November 09, 2019 9:37 PM  

First of all, the enlightenment natural rights justification for property does not apply to "intellectual property." Therefore, intellectual property is an illegitimate invention of the state.

If you don't like natural rights, substitute whatever moronic ethical system you prefer and follow the logic.

Second of all, if piracy were theft, it would be a perfectly legitimate strike against your enemies.

Blogger vmax71 November 09, 2019 9:58 PM  

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Blogger mrpinks November 09, 2019 10:38 PM  

Darkstream, Medieval History 101, the documentaries on UATV are enough for me. Reading and programming take up the rest of my time. BB or a David the Good are occasionally consumed when my brain stops working and like to just watch.
Movies I rarely watch and torrent those to deny income to those who hate me.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) November 09, 2019 10:56 PM  

weird.

U of Minnehaha just smacked down Penn State. was not expecting that.

Blogger John Bradley November 09, 2019 11:25 PM  

Cut cable a few years ago, and killed Netflix earlier this year as part of some social media boycott, the details of which escape me. Don't miss either. Used to Patreon a number of vidgame YouTubers but killed that in response to the Sargon deplatform. Have Amazon Prime for the free shipping; never watch their videos.

Only monthly subs are to UATV and Freedomain. Everyone else decided that they didn't want money from people like me.

Haven't seen a movie or otherwise given money to Hollywood in years. Only exception is whenever the RiffTrax guys do an audio-only riff of big-budget garbage (e.g. Disney SW films) and I need the dvd for same. Try to always buy used dvds on Amazon to avoid paying the studios a cent.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 10, 2019 12:01 AM  

Netflix hit a sweet spot because they generated huge venture capital and never faced the costs of building out their delivery system. (The friction over this free-rider nature of Netflix is precisely what led to the "net neutrality" dust-up.)

Netflix and HBO et al. had a golden window where they could throw millions at high production value content and overwhelm the scene. That window is closing.

During the height of the Big Three Broadcast Television days content got churned out on the cheap, mostly. What's the production cost of All In The Family, M*A*S*H or Happy Days, etc? Sound stages with actors and writers, maybe one or maybe two cameras. And even the cameras are dirt-cheap now compared to what they used to be.

A massive compression of production values is likely to begin soon.

Wayne's World Here We Come!!! (That's not a bad thing)

UATV is positioned nicely imho

Blogger Servant November 10, 2019 12:04 AM  

Mauler has a good commentary on tlj.

Blogger Ray - SoCal November 10, 2019 12:42 AM  

$44 is still cheaper than most cable offerings.

Part of the reason for the growth in streaming, is cable has not been forced to debundle, to offer ala carte programming. And the cable channels, espn for example, charge the cable providers, on a charge based on their total number of subscribers, not how many people actually want that channel.

I’ve been surprised at how much money has been thrown at programming by streaming providers.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 10, 2019 12:46 AM  

Unauthorized.tv is the only online video "thing" I ever subscribed to.
And BTW, I would not mind paying to be in Socialgalactic if it meant a better crowd. People to pay to be in a better condition. Compare Walmart versus say Target. Compare a cheap gym with one that costs a little more. We can do this all day.

Blogger James Jameson November 10, 2019 1:47 AM  

Not to mention Compound Media, freespeech.tv, and Gas Digital.

Blogger Dusty Bear November 10, 2019 2:50 AM  

@RealTalk103 your priest does not have to tell you as you already know. Should you go on sinning so that Gods Grace may increase? Of course not. If you steal from a person who is evil are you not stealing. This is the type of thing Owen talks about with the Torah and the Talmud where God prohibits the Talmud allows.

If your priest gives you permission to steal from an evil person does that priest wear the penalty for himself and you if he is wrong?

Having said that there is now No condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. So blessings to you and get a 30 day trial for whatever you want to see. I did that for Amazon Prime for the first season of Jack Ryan.

Blogger Ranger November 10, 2019 3:17 AM  

Making a copy is not stealing, and not a sin. Giving money to the wicked is both immoral and stupid.

Blogger John Rockwell November 10, 2019 3:20 AM  

Those who sin terribly then believe is per God's command via Paul to be cast out and handed over to Satan.

His flesh destroyed but saved in his soul. Losing whatever reward he could have gotten had he not sinned so terribly.

Blogger John Rockwell November 10, 2019 5:38 AM  

Stealing deprives a person of that property. Copying doesnt.

Blogger Brett baker November 10, 2019 6:25 AM  

So you don't mind the Chinese stealing all our tech?

Blogger Sillon November 10, 2019 6:35 AM  

Brett baker wrote:So you don't mind the Chinese stealing all our tech?

I for one hope the west suffer a massive defeat by them, only so the question "who enabled china" is raised.

China can steal "our stuff" because we gifted them the knowledge, the means and our manufacturing jobs so (((Corporate))) can earn 100 times more paying 10 times less.

Blogger Jose Miguel November 10, 2019 7:13 AM  

I recommend the book Against Intellectual Monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David Levine. Great book on copyright and patents and their real life effects compared to the claimed benefits.

I've done thought experiments of a world without IP protection. My dad is a musician, and made some money from it. I'd expect more direct consumer to artist support as people give money to artists will they want to make new music. I've seen that happen. Also I'd expect more blue collar musicians making less than 100k serving narrower niches and fewer big time stars.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums November 10, 2019 7:44 AM  

Brett baker wrote:So you don't mind the Chinese stealing all our tech?

I don't remember China complaining about copyright laws when we stole gunpowder from them.

Blogger cecilhenry November 10, 2019 8:51 AM  

@43

That's some Wakanda level thinking there.






Blogger Nostromo November 10, 2019 11:40 AM  

Never underestimate the draw the devil mouse has on mid-western mommies. How else could they convince people to pay $100 to see manikin everything at a park. My parents dragged me to Disney World...once. Just awful! "Jungle Cruise! They have animals?" " No. But they have the next best thing. Puppets!"

Blogger Br1cht November 10, 2019 12:49 PM  

I mostly watch UA.TV now and after some real soul-searching I´ve decided to go pirate if/when I want to see something from Sodomwood. This is a war(if cold for the moment) and to deny the enemy resources is paramount so no shekels for shackles from this goy.

Blogger SirHamster November 10, 2019 1:30 PM  

On whether it's okay to pirate, would you do it to a friend?

If BB had paywall content, would you subvert the paywall and torrent it? How about for Vox's ebooks?

At another level, getting your entertainment from people who hate you is like watching free porn.

Same thing on a slower timescale.

Blogger Br1cht November 10, 2019 2:02 PM  

SirHamster wrote:On whether it's okay to pirate, would you do it to a friend?

If BB had paywall content, would you subvert the paywall and torrent it? How about for Vox's ebooks?

At another level, getting your entertainment from people who hate you is like watching free porn.

Same thing on a slower timescale.


If Vox got "corrective surgery" and started to go TYT on us(and how likely is that) you bet I would.
This is Not something I´m proud of but I will Not give the enemy One. Red. Cent.(apart from the re-platforming that is)

Imagine Washington paying tax to England during and after the Tea party and imo that´s the situation we´re facing here. I am curious about one thing though, have you never loaned a friend a book? If so did you chastise yourself for it afterwards?

Stalin did one thing right with the "not a step back" order(twohundredthirtyseven?)because when faced with an enemy that Will use your morals against you and whose hate for you(and yours) burns like the morning star you can either play the Cuckservative game or fight a delaying campaign until the situation is right.
Giving that enemy any resources would be pure folly.

Blogger SirHamster November 10, 2019 5:19 PM  

Br1cht wrote:If Vox got "corrective surgery" and started to go TYT on us(and how likely is that) you bet I would.

This is Not something I´m proud of but I will Not give the enemy One. Red. Cent.(apart from the re-platforming that is)

You're changing the scenario by supposing what if your friend became an enemy.

There are things you can do to an enemy that you wouldn't do to a friend. There are things that one shouldn't do, even to an enemy.

"Pirating" (but it's not stealing, yada yada) doesn't fall under that second category, but one should be aware when one is deliberately doing wrong to others.

And when the reason to do wrong to this particular enemy is because they are our cultural enemies, bear in mind that entertainment is culture.

"I hate you because you hate me and all that is good and beautiful, but I value your Christ-hating culture and will pirate and consume it" is a mixed message. Take small steps if that's what it takes, but pay attention to where you are going.

Blogger Br1cht November 11, 2019 5:47 AM  

SirHamster wrote:Br1cht wrote:If Vox got "corrective surgery" and started to go TYT on us(and how likely is that) you bet I would.

This is Not something I´m proud of but I will Not give the enemy One. Red. Cent.(apart from the re-platforming that is)


You're changing the scenario by supposing what if your friend became an enemy.

There are things you can do to an enemy that you wouldn't do to a friend. There are things that one shouldn't do, even to an enemy.

"Pirating" (but it's not stealing, yada yada) doesn't fall under that second category, but one should be aware when one is deliberately doing wrong to others.

And when the reason to do wrong to this particular enemy is because they are our cultural enemies, bear in mind that entertainment is culture.

"I hate you because you hate me and all that is good and beautiful, but I value your Christ-hating culture and will pirate and consume it" is a mixed message. Take small steps if that's what it takes, but pay attention to where you are going.


You put words in my mouth/willingly misunderstand me, I very clearly said "when/if" regarding the "to pirate or not" question. Furthermore even if say BBC makes one non-converged show they would still hate me and mine so my point stand unchallenged.
Your "fart sniffing" if you excuse my French does not prove anything other than you probably will lose "with style and with muh principles" in whatever you engage in.

This is still a war and this is the age of total war, not the age of steam and gentlemen.

Blogger CarpeOro November 11, 2019 7:46 AM  

It has been awhile since I watched and really enjoyed something from Netflix. They lost or didn't renew rights to the really good older content. Now, the best content they have is from overseas... which means that there is probably another way to get it. Going to talk to the wife to get rid of it.

Blogger SirHamster November 11, 2019 2:10 PM  

@50

You don't understand the point.

In war, it can be acceptable to pillage and burn the enemy's village.

That doesn't mean you should pillage and burn whenever you can. What is not done can be as important as what is done.

That has nothing to do with losing with principles.

If you were to pirate The Last Jedi or the Ghostbusters remake, why bother? The only damage you do is to yourself.

Rationalizing piracy of enemy culture is energy not spent on building your own.

Blogger Br1cht November 11, 2019 3:35 PM  

SirHamster wrote:@50

You don't understand the point.

In war, it can be acceptable to pillage and burn the enemy's village.

That doesn't mean you should pillage and burn whenever you can. What is not done can be as important as what is done.

That has nothing to do with losing with principles.

If you were to pirate The Last Jedi or the Ghostbusters remake, why bother? The only damage you do is to yourself.

Rationalizing piracy of enemy culture is energy not spent on building your own.


Yes, it is obvious that we´re speaking to no avail and I think that you´re being willingly obtuse so time to stop wasting time.
A last example, I enjoy Agatha Christie´s Poirot but I do not enjoy hearing trans blacks telling how evil I am but never mind that just continue to feed the beast and clutch your pearls on my account.

I wish you the best.

Blogger Dusty Bear November 11, 2019 4:45 PM  

A problem is you want to play with the toys of that enemy. The netflix model is simple in exchange for them producing content they want money in exchange. Your taking their content and refusing to pay up.

That's theft of the money they expect from the exchange.

If you want to do it without getting yourself in the mud just make a choice to not watch the show. Both ways you have your money and in only one way are you not stealing.

Is their corrupt product with the pretty baubles and degenerate movie stars worth the life of compromise.

Its the compromise they want more than anything else. The torrented movie, the downloaded mp3, the hacked software, the streming new release. All of it is compromise. Wash it all off (delete it all).

I did it all in the past. I cleared it all out and let the weight of it disappear.

Blogger SirHamster November 11, 2019 5:13 PM  

@53

You have a seared conscience. I'm not feeding the beast. I don't watch Hollywood. I don't watch Netflix.

But you? Pirating their shows, eating their content and freeloading to do so? You are feeding the beast.

I am not calling you evil. I am pointing out that the actions are not good. I don't care what you do, it's nothing personal.

But your taking it personally is a sign that you feel a need to do things differently.

Blogger Br1cht November 13, 2019 5:57 AM  

SirHamster wrote:@53

You have a seared conscience. I'm not feeding the beast. I don't watch Hollywood. I don't watch Netflix.

But you? Pirating their shows, eating their content and freeloading to do so? You are feeding the beast.

I am not calling you evil. I am pointing out that the actions are not good. I don't care what you do, it's nothing personal.

But your taking it personally is a sign that you feel a need to do things differently.


How dare you sir!

Jokes aside though, I clearly wrote when/if but I have very fond memories of the English costume dramas of my youth and can see myself enjoying them again somewhere in the future but I will still not give them a dime.

I´ll give you that in your internal discussion with an faux me your point is quite convincing.

I am curious though, have you never borrowed a book or a DVD from a friend? That would be pseudo-piracy by your logic at the very least. If I have misunderstood you I apologize.

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