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Saturday, November 09, 2019

Militarily unready

At least 38.6 percent of the U.S. military is literally unfit for service.
In a new report, the Center for Military Readiness says that 84% of women fail the New Army Combat Fitness Test and that “all military officials should drop the ‘gender diversity’ agenda and put mission readiness and ‘combat lethality’ first.”

“It makes no sense for recruiters to devote more time and money recruiting ‘gender diverse’ trainees who are more likely to be injured, less likely to want infantry assignments, and less likely to remain through basic training or physically-demanding combat arms assignments for twenty years or more,” states the  CMR report....

According to the Department of Defense, 16% of the overall active duty force is comprised of females, with 170,000 women enlisted and over 40,000 women officers.
30 percent of male soldiers failed the fitness test. Now imagine what percentage would fail the old fitness test. I'd bet nearly two-thirds.

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167 Comments:

Blogger Nobody of Consequence November 09, 2019 11:28 AM  

I still suggest shifting to an all female military with the requirement that the females be in the early to mid stages of 'the change'. They'll kill everything in sight.

Blogger MichaelJMaier November 09, 2019 11:30 AM  

Recruiters need to be jailed for wasting tax dollars. They paid off my SIL's college loans to get her into the Navy as a nurse. The recruiter KNEW that she had at LEAST two conditions which should have prevented her enlistment.

Then she destroyed her feet jogging to try to get in shape for OCS and they wrote it all off.

Blogger Player 2 November 09, 2019 11:31 AM  

Guess now we know why they continue to claim to have trouble breaking a ceiling made of glass. What a bunch of wussies.

Blogger andrisf November 09, 2019 11:31 AM  

Good thing these tests are utterly irrelevant, because it is not 1945 anymore and soldiers do not have to march for weeks carrying everything on back, because if they do you already lost (or they are special forces doing surgical missions and they are fit).
Sure fitter is better, but in modern times its not about soldier fitness, it is about exploding things in vast numbers, that fly with thousands of km/h and hit you on your head.

Blogger BriarRabbit November 09, 2019 11:31 AM  

I had a comment, but I can't follow your'n. - MoonshineBear

Blogger FisherOfMen November 09, 2019 11:33 AM  

Nearly a quarter of all enlisted women are officers? Am I reading that right?

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box November 09, 2019 11:36 AM  

To point this out is fat shaming. How dare you!

Blogger Player 2 November 09, 2019 11:38 AM  

andrisf wrote:Good thing these tests are utterly irrelevant, because it is not 1945 anymore and soldiers do not have to march for weeks carrying everything on back, because if they do you already lost (or they are special forces doing surgical missions and they are fit).

Sure fitter is better, but in modern times its not about soldier fitness, it is about exploding things in vast numbers, that fly with thousands of km/h and hit you on your head.


Yeah, that must be why they continue having so much trouble with ex farmers fighting them in hot desert cities.

Blogger urthshu November 09, 2019 11:42 AM  

Shorter andrisf
"Is this gonna be on the test?"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 11:43 AM  

@4, yes, that's why Goering's Luftwaffe was able to defeat the British army at Dunkirk.

Idiot.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 11:47 AM  

The readiness thing generally means passing inspection, which means living up to some often arbitrary standard. The big problem really is the whole affirmative action BS thing. It is the old you can't have two masters. If something other than performance comes into play, performance will fall off beyond the mere decline in physical ability. Loss of motivation owing to loss of focus will be the big problem. That is what this affirmative action is. A loss in focus.

Why risk death when there isn't that much at stake? Let one slacker go and given time, they will all be slackers.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 09, 2019 11:51 AM  

Physical fitness is mental, Andrisf. That...is why you fail.

Blogger The Cooler November 09, 2019 11:52 AM  

The USAF is farming lesbians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-WElLXQfcA

I wonder if they can do the three pull-ups.

Blogger Homesteader November 09, 2019 11:53 AM  

That comment actually made my head hurt.

The troll quality is really falling fast.

Blogger VD November 09, 2019 11:54 AM  

Good thing these tests are utterly irrelevant

You are deeply and profoundly stupid, andrisf. I'd ban you for stupidity if it wasn't useful having you around to prove that people are genuinely as stupid as you are.

If one didn't actually witness it personally, it would be difficult to believe.

Blogger Section 8A November 09, 2019 11:55 AM  

They may be unfit to do much of anything, but at least no one can call them racist sexist homophobe. That has to count for something.

Right?

Blogger Barbarossa November 09, 2019 11:56 AM  

Now imagine what percentage would fail the old fitness test. I'd bet nearly two-thirds.

Actually, you have it backwards. The old test was rather simple. Curl-ups in two minutes. Pushups in two minutes. Two mile run. Passing levels were absurdly simple. As an example, for a 20-year old male, passing level of pushup was...31. Seriously. 31 pushups in 2 minutes. However, the Army culture was such that if you weren't getting a 300 (max score) on the APFT you were regarded as a loser. The problem for the Army was that the scoring system was so easy that you had guys way out of weight standards acing the test.

Prompted by the Marine's shift in PFT a few years ago, enter the Army Combat Fitness Test (ACFT). Now you have a deadlift, something called a Standing Power Throw, Hand Release pushups, sprint drag carry, leg tuck, and then the same 2 mile run.

As for the men, I'm sure some of the failures are simply unfamiliarity with the test. When my Army friends explained it to me, my first question was "When did the Army decide to become the world's largest CrossFit club?"

As for the women...I was assigned to an Army unit headed to Iraq. For our capstone training exercise, we had to do a 22-mile trek over the course of 24 hours with various exercises tossed in along the way. It was a modest test of both skills learned, firearms handling, and of mental and physical endurance. There were about 10 women in the training group. 9 of the 10 were "on profile" (Army speak for medical permission to be excused from an activity) and didn't have to participate. Of the roughly 70 men, only one was "on profile" and he had sprained an ankle and couldn't fit his foot into his boot. I could fill a book with examples of women being physically incapable of handling even the simplest of tasks. "Sir, could you pull back the charging handle of this machine gun for me? It's too hard."

Blogger Homesteader November 09, 2019 11:56 AM  

Bane is spinning in his grave, God rest his soul.

Blogger Wazdakka November 09, 2019 12:02 PM  

I will not rise to Andrisf's bait.
As Johnny states, you lose focus of the goals of those tests. When this happens all bets are off. Morale will sink for the regular service man. All his achievements are irrelevant when they are handed out arbitrarily.
Not all bad though. The way that Nato has been misused over the last decade; I would prefer a slightly weaker military. That goes for North America and Europe.

Blogger NateM November 09, 2019 12:05 PM  

MMaier

I looked into that program a while back and the ocs they go to as medical is a Really relaxed version given they basically won't be leading in combat. So that shows you the candidates they are pulling when someone can fall out of preparing for it. Granted a lot of people put it off to long and start too late in poor condition to get in shape

Blogger Calvin809 November 09, 2019 12:10 PM  

Looks like the US Military is literally becoming the new GI Joe comic with the fat Inuit woman as one of the main characters.

Blogger Greg Hunt November 09, 2019 12:11 PM  

@Barbarossa
Do you have any detail on the sex-specific scoring differences on the new test? The old test was an embarrassment to the girls, as they ran the 2 mile slower and did fewer situps, but were often unable to do a single pushup. How have they jiggered the new test so that the girls are able to take it without embarrassment? Fewer weight plates on a bar?

Blogger Crew November 09, 2019 12:11 PM  

I count this as one of the biggest failures of the boomers.

Failing to prevent women from being indoctrinated into trying to do the things that men excel at and women cannot do at the level men can and failing to do the things that women can do that men simply cannot (ie, have babies.)

Women will never be men and men will never be women and those who think otherwise are insane, perhaps even clinically insane.

Blogger andrisf November 09, 2019 12:12 PM  

VD wrote:Good thing these tests are utterly irrelevant

You are deeply and profoundly stupid, andrisf. I'd ban you for stupidity if it wasn't useful having you around to prove that people are genuinely as stupid as you are.

If one didn't actually witness it personally, it would be difficult to believe.


Difference between me and you is that i have actually seen combat in 2 recent wars, that both are still happening as volunteer, be it for a relatively short time. Fitness tests are useless, they mean nothing, literally nothing. You move around in vehicles, sitting in trenches for days and weeks you lose any physical form ( i used to be very fit) as you can not move around or you get shot by snipers.
It is idiots fantasy that soldier has to be able to do marathons and sprints on professional or semi professional athletes level. No army will have people marching for days and weeks as it was in old days, because it is utterly unnecessary and deeply counterproductive in age of cars and helicopters. When fighting in urban environment you have to sprint once in a while, but nobody can outrun bullet or shell.
Much more important is psychological and tactical training, but then again what do i know i am just stupid...

Blogger Fargoth November 09, 2019 12:13 PM  

How was this allowed to happen? When did America become not America? What were the cracks in the armor from the beginning?

Blogger Greg Hunt November 09, 2019 12:17 PM  

When I was in, the argument being made was that girl soldiers might be worse at everything, but they shoot better.

I never saw an example proving that true, but thought it was a stupid counterpoint. Who cares how straight you shoot if you're too emotionally weak to pull the trigger? The Army exists to kill people, not help girls feel good about themselves.

Blogger VD November 09, 2019 12:18 PM  

It is idiots fantasy that soldier has to be able to do marathons and sprints on professional or semi professional athletes level.

They aren't talking about that level of fitness. They're talking about being able to simply walk and carry their basic equipment.

As I said, you are deeply and profoundly stupid.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 09, 2019 12:20 PM  

Our experience in two recent wars are against 4th generation diggers is irrelevant if/when we fight a near or equal peer.

Blogger Unknownsailor November 09, 2019 12:20 PM  

andrisf wrote:Good thing these tests are utterly irrelevant, because it is not 1945 anymore and soldiers do not have to march for weeks carrying everything on back, because if they do you already lost (or they are special forces doing surgical missions and they are fit).

Sure fitter is better, but in modern times its not about soldier fitness, it is about exploding things in vast numbers, that fly with thousands of km/h and hit you on your head.

I am retired Navy, and even I can say you are wildly and spectacularly wrong.

Yes, they Army gets to ride around a lot In peacetime. Against a near peer adversary who can localize vehicular traffic as well as we can, riding around in a five ton truck anywhere close to the front line is asking to die a fiery death when the truck gets blown up.

Infantry must be able to maneuver on foot. This is a core skill, and the reason behind the ruck marches the Army does all the time, and this is also the reason women should not be in infantry because they just can't do it.

I saw first hand how incorporating women into the crews of ships works. Besides the fraternization issues, in a situation that requires brute strength otherwise the ship sinks, women just cannot do the job, and it isn't fair to ask them to.

The integration of women in combat units is, to me, ultimately a leadership failure, because the senior officer corps cannot grow the balls and quantify how many more people will die due to female integration.

Blogger Geir Balderson November 09, 2019 12:23 PM  

One of the training exercises would be to reconnoiter a local Popeyes, infiltrate, then battle the locals for a chicken sandwich. Then, and only then, could they be recommended fit for service in a foreign land.

The Popeyes' dining room, near here, resembles the Cantina scene in the original Star Wars.

Blogger Weak November 09, 2019 12:25 PM  

The upside of this is that not having fit soldiers could keep us from goofing around in Uganda and Yemen and Syria, etc.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 12:26 PM  

@24, the US empire hasn't been in a war since 1945 or so. Your experience garrisoning outposts of empire is not war.

Don't get youself banned for being obnoxious. Vox is right; you are useful as a bad example. Don't be like andrisf.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 12:26 PM  

During the Vietnam war the military commanders in country started noticing the high casualty count that turned up with the fresh from the states military units. The solution was to put the new units in the relatively safe areas. If you think of it, it was actually on the job training. Of course if you have only new units and you have to put them into the tough stuff, things won't go so well.

One of the new in country units, I think it was battalion level, maybe eight hundred warm bodies, picked up two causalities in the first few days. Two guys who were in the same fox hole, in the excitement of the moment, shot each other.

Blogger Unknownsailor November 09, 2019 12:27 PM  

Greg Hunt wrote:@Barbarossa

Do you have any detail on the sex-specific scoring differences on the new test? The old test was an embarrassment to the girls, as they ran the 2 mile slower and did fewer situps, but were often unable to do a single pushup. How have they jiggered the new test so that the girls are able to take it without embarrassment? Fewer weight plates on a bar?

From what I read there was no gender norming, which is why so many of the women failed it. When one standard is set across the board it is always the male standard that gets set, and naturally 80% or more of the women can't even meet the minimums, because women are women.

Blogger Homesteader November 09, 2019 12:27 PM  

"Fitness tests are useless, they mean nothing, literally nothing. You move around in vehicles, sitting in trenches for days and weeks you lose any physical form ( i used to be very fit) as you can not move around or you get shot by snipers."

Yes, my understanding is the generals are getting ready for a big push at the Somme..

There are many combat veterans here; you aren't the expert you think you are. Are you hear to learn, or to display your ignorance?





Blogger Br1cht November 09, 2019 12:29 PM  

If it makes you feel better you can imagine what the Swedish "army" now looks like. I jumped ship 10 years ago when I got reprimanded for yelling at a private..
I had "hurt his feelings and made him feel inferior", which was the bloody plan but obviously such behavior can not be tolerated. I remember that the drafted personnel´s union got an officer who commanded a private to do push-ups in the rain got reprimanded as well for similar reasons.

Blogger English Tom November 09, 2019 12:30 PM  

@andrisf

You should take heed of what animal mother said, that fitness is mental. Here's a quote from, Lessons of the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah War by Anthony H Cordesman:
"...his reservists had too little time to pound themselves into front-line discipline through tough exercise, ruthless discipline, and absolute obedience. Some were so out of shape they caved in under the gruelling stress."

The battlefield is no place for slackers.

Blogger Azimus November 09, 2019 12:32 PM  

I weep for my nation when I see that girl playing make-believe marine when you click on the article. Not that she wants to fight, but that she would rather be there than doing the most important fighitng for civilization: making and raising children.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 09, 2019 12:35 PM  

@25, WRE. Standards had to be lowered to accommodate girls. Not too drastically at first, because there weren't that many girls trying and they were probably the biggest go-getter GI Jane types. But to be really co-ed and welcoming and get those numbers up, you can't have much of a standard at all. And for equality's sake, you can't have official separate men's and women's standards, so you start getting softer men too. And it all fits into the modern, tolerant, fat-acceptance, "you're perfect just as you are" sensibilities.

Also, consider that once you have a lot of lesbian officers, why would they want a bunch of fit young alphas competing with them for the new female recruits? Better to allow in pudgy male losers and tell yourself fitness doesn't matter because drones.

Blogger English Tom November 09, 2019 12:41 PM  

@andrisf

A Nasrallah quote from the same book: "the will to fight and die, was more important than any weapons system..."

Blogger justaguy November 09, 2019 12:41 PM  

While we have "modern military" with a small fighting end and a large logistics tail-- the issue for any military is against what enemy? Nuclear weapons have meant that first rate militaries do not fight each other-- at least so far (almost 80 years which is a long time militarily). So we have a military designed to fight/police other. We maintain a Navy to fight other and for sea control/denial (think cutting off essential resources like oil from China). As each unit now has to carry unfit men and unift women -- who knows if those forces are the ones to actually face an enemy? Maybe we keep the fit forces ahead and the laggards at the base? War seems very different now than WWII. At least for the US.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 09, 2019 12:42 PM  

The upside of this is that not having fit soldiers could keep us from goofing around in Uganda and Yemen and Syria, etc.

I doubt that would slow down a President Bush or Clinton for a second. It would just increase our number of casualties and make it more likely to end badly.

Blogger glueballs November 09, 2019 12:42 PM  

The Brits had to "yomp" because their helicopters and other vehicles aboard transports torched by a few cruise missiles. They would have lost the war except for the physical toughness of their soldiers. The U.S. could easily find itself in comparable circumstances.

Blogger Pathfinderlight November 09, 2019 12:45 PM  

From a recent TED Talk, the US military thinks it is seriously trying to address the lack of fitness among American soldiers. They say they understand the fact that America's population is overweight, but any serious discussion of the reason was missing from that TED Talk.

Blogger Dos Voltz November 09, 2019 12:48 PM  

To be fair, it's really hard to finish the test when your motorized scooter tips over.

Blogger DonReynolds November 09, 2019 12:48 PM  

In mid 1991, I was in a Shoney's restaurant with my family and I happen to notice the shoulder patch of a platoon of young soldiers, all seated together, having dinner. I noticed it, because it was my shoulder patch twenty years before (without naming any names). They seemed to be in a casual and friendly mood so I invited myself to their table to say hello and get a closer look at the modern version.

They say the Army does not change much. When I was in the same Army hospital as I was born in, less than 20 years later, my Mother came to visit me occasionally and she said the hospital was unchanged from the Korean War. Maybe it was just "well-maintained".

I was mostly curious to see if life in the Brigade had changed much. When I was there, there were no females at all, except a few at the hospital. (Most of the nurses were still male.) Even in this small group, I could see several young women seated among them and I wanted to know if it had changed things and how. We talked for a bit, while my family ate dinner.

What I found was that the Army was no longer a men's club and they were not allowed to speak freely. While the Brigade was still a combat ready organization and women were not allowed to be in combat, they were allowed into communications. I do not know what sort of fiction is being played here and it bothered me quite a bit. Communications were necessarily in combat and this was an infantry outfit, so what were women doing here? The troops did not want to talk about it. They were constantly restrained, and it wasn't just peer pressure. The Army officers did not want any verbal abuse of the females, and that included any stupid questions or snide remarks or honest answers.

I left the table feeling sorry for the young soldiers. We did not have to live that way. WE were encouraged to be men and masculine and aggressive. I am sure some of them still were, but I could feel the pressure and the restraint of always being on guard against anything that might be thought to be disrespectful or questioning of the new Army reality.

It has been almost thirty years since the Gulf War. (Yeah, I know...we are getting old.) I can only imagine what has been added to the tensions within combat formations, with even more women, and men who want to be women, and men who prefer sex with other men. It is heart rendering, when you think about it.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd November 09, 2019 12:52 PM  

Andrisif,
Orly? Where and when? I was with the 7th cavalry in OIF II and had to score a 270 on the PT test, minimum, to stay in a scout platoon.

Physical fitness CAN degrade under those conditions, if you are a lazy shithead. When I was on patrol on highway 8 we worked 12 hour days 7 days a week for 6 months, and, yes regular PT slacked off, but our regular days of hauling, lifting, jogging around, training and doing maintenance in 120-140 degree heat made up for it somewhat.
Also, PT standards are about more than being fit physically, they are about building esprit de corps, confidence and aggression. They aren't and never will be irrelevant no matter how much you sat on ass on a mountain in trashcanistan

Blogger Meanoldbasterd November 09, 2019 12:53 PM  

The 19th amendment

Blogger Shimshon November 09, 2019 12:57 PM  

I have two sons who were in men-only combat units. The completion of their basic training included a 40km march carrying IIRC 70kg backpacks. Not a long distance, but a heavy load.

Blogger Jeff Weimer November 09, 2019 1:01 PM  

We need a minimum physical ability for the same reasons we still use bayonets.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 1:07 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:
I doubt that would slow down a President Bush or Clinton for a second. It would just increase our number of casualties and make it more likely to end badly.


The (((Ruling Class))) is going to love it. More dead White boys, more budget for the MIC, more campaign contributions for politicians; it's win-win-win, baby!

Blogger Oswald November 09, 2019 1:09 PM  

If we keep sending these soldiers out into combat situations, then we must expect that we are going to hear of a Custer type massacre. The silver lining, if there is one, is that nothing changes game plans like a bad a_s beating.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 1:24 PM  

You never know how good a garrison army is until it is out in the field. And it is not always predictable where the problem will be. Officers that are too aggressive or not aggressive enough. Lack of motivation, nobody wants to die for the king. Or troops that are obedient enough but get killed of by their commanders. Wrong kind of weapons for the situation. All sorts of possibilities.

Now that we don't hammer away at each other with swords anymore, military stuff is mainly just endurance. Maybe conditioning would be the best word. If building muscle strength helps endurance, then it is well worth it. And of course once you are in the field, your body will toughen up in the areas where it has to toughen up to endure the conditions.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 1:28 PM  

Johnny wrote:And of course once you are in the field, your body will toughen up in the areas where it has to toughen up to endure the conditions.

The survivors will toughen up. Coed units won't have many survivors.

Blogger Player 2 November 09, 2019 1:31 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Johnny wrote:And of course once you are in the field, your body will toughen up in the areas where it has to toughen up to endure the conditions.

The survivors will toughen up. Coed units won't have many survivors.


One day that will be a military tattoo: I survived a co-ed unit. It will be a true mark of distinction.

Blogger Oswald November 09, 2019 1:40 PM  

It like some of these NFL teams flirting with having a female kicker. Sounds like a good idea (not really) until she gets ran over by a kick returner. But maybe that is why they are watering down the rules a little and trying to get rid of the kick returns. To protect future female kickers in the game. SJWs are everywhere.

Blogger M. Bibliophile November 09, 2019 1:41 PM  

My unit is scheduled to take this new monstrosity in the middle of next year. As we are National Guard (unofficial motto "We're Fat, Not Incompetent") and a mixed unit, I'm warming the popcorn ahead of time. Most of us are combat vets of some stripe or another, but we've got a few who have never been outside our little walled garden. As much as I dislike PFT's, I'm looking forward to this one because A) novelty, B) it's not leveled for sex, and C) it requires so much additional infrastructure that I have serious doubts even our tiny unit will be able to finish it in the allotted time. In short: it's going to be a Charlie Foxtrot of gargantuan proportions, but it will be interesting to see just how everything breaks out. I've been advocating a sex-neutral PFT for over a decade, and as much as Crossfit and its clones annoy me, it will still be interesting to watch.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 09, 2019 1:45 PM  

"The completion of their basic training included a 40km march carrying IIRC 70kg backpacks. Not a long distance, but a heavy load."

I could do that as far as strength, but would still fail, because my feet haven't seen marching in boots like that in a while and I'd be medically unfit in no time.

andrisf... I recognize your kind of experience. It's very similar to the kind of military experience I saw. The fat, lazy, and entitled kind.

So long as all the toys are lined up in the toybox everything is peachy, but as soon as you hit actual combat and someone throws sand into the gears of your fancy machinery, you're going to die in the middle of nowhere because most of your guys lack the trained fortitude to haul what they need to haul for fifty miles to where they need to be at to not be caught out and killed.

Shit happens, and if you aren't disciplined already when you run out of working missiles in 4G war, you're deader than a doornail.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 09, 2019 1:48 PM  

"The survivors will toughen up. Coed units won't have many survivors."

The Romans considered decimation to be enough of a punishment to put their legions back in line after major excursions from proper conduct, and historically 10% of a force dying was typically enough to make the other 90% turn tail and run.

The survivors will be headed into the hills never to return.

Blogger FrankNorman November 09, 2019 1:52 PM  

A question that comes to mind: historically speaking, has this sort of thing ever happened before? In any previous time-period?

My guess of course would be: if at all, then probably right near the end of that particular civilization.

A second point: some of the Ctrl-Left probably think they can do away with needing human infantry at all, and use robot soldiers instead.
Robots that would not refuse to machine-gun civilians.

Blogger Barbarossa November 09, 2019 1:55 PM  

@22, @34 Without getting tossed into URL link jail, do a search for Army Combat Fitness Test scoring and there is an official Army.mil website with all the particulars. It isn't segregated by sexes (yet) and the perfect score for the Modified Deadlift is 340 pounds. That's a no-kidding physical challenge and actually the sort of weight where as a unit leader I would be concerned about my men injuring themselves using poor technique.

As to the ongoing discussion of the utility of physical fitness tests, I'll provide a senior officer perspective. Flatly put, I never met an officer or enlisted who was grossly out of standard who was worth anything. No, it didn't translate into he who can run fastest is the best soldier, sailor or Marine, but not being within the very lenient standards was an indicator of a whole lot of issues, none of them good.

My men used to toss out this: "Why do we have to run a mile and a half? This ship isn't even 900 feet long." No doubt it seemed like an ironclad refutation. But...your physical fitness comes into play in so many arenas. In a phrase, weak body, weak mind. The guy who can't take care of his body, usually isn't taking care of his mind. (Yeah, yeah. Everyone knows someone who knows someone who knows the electronics tech who weighs 350 pounds who's the only one that fix the gear...except they don't.) Almost without fail in the deployed environment, the guy who starts losing it is the guy huddled up in his CLU by himself eating himself into a ball of lard. Something about physical exertion does wonders for the mind. Additionally, there are stresses in deployed life (and business life for that matter) that transcend the obvious sedentary FOB-bit existence and a good base of physical fitness is your best counter to those. As an example, being on a ship doing a 6-on/6-off port-and-starboard watch rotation for three months is very hard on the body and soul. The 15-month deployments to Iraq back during the surge were very hard on the mind. Yeah, the living at Victory was cushy (Taco Tuesday! Yea!), but being away from home for so long is more than some people can endure and hence why you have to get your butt in the gym.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 09, 2019 1:59 PM  

"Something about physical exertion does wonders for the mind."

Needs repeating as often as possible.

Increased blood flow, blood sugar regularity, oxygen capacity. Oh, and the motivation and willpower required to get into shape and stay in shape.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 09, 2019 2:04 PM  

And recently the Marine Commendant told some professional Marine go gurlz to pound sand, Trump is working miracles.

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Blogger God Emperor Memes November 09, 2019 2:09 PM  

Indeed, the point of rigorous physical training and high fitness standards is not so much to create an uber-soldat as it is to instill self-discipline and eradicate those too lazy or mentally weak to improve themselves.
I cannot understand how the US beseArmy concluded that gays, trannies, lesbians and obese Negress could ever be of any benefit whatsoever. Those are people who destroy morale and unit cohesion, and that's when they're not getting pregnant or leaking information to Julian Assange.
One huge difference I think exists between those types and Whites with a family tradition of military service is that where the latter view it as service to one's country, the former consider the military as a gibs program in which they can do the bare minimum, never be held accountable, and usually get discharged early with full benefits.

Blogger papabear November 09, 2019 2:09 PM  

@22 https://news.clearancejobs.com/2019/10/05/army-combat-fitness-test-fiasco-slides-reveal-84-of-women-failing-acft/

Blogger Jimmy November 09, 2019 2:19 PM  

They set the standards this time so that women do have a hope of passing the minimum standards. The toughest ones are the deadlift and 1x leg tuck, for the women in support units. They have to prepare for it, but they can pass it.

It is the women in combat branches who will get washed out.

Blogger Jimmy November 09, 2019 2:21 PM  

The pushups are a bit easier this time. It's the deadlift and leg tucks that are tough. The deadlift is going to medical out mqny women.

Blogger Quilp November 09, 2019 2:21 PM  

I met a female Army Major recently at a dinner party a friend was throwing - Minority of course. I was stunned by her general attitude of entitlement when it was clear to everyone there she was the very definition of Affirmative action hire. I wouldn't give our troops much chance at all fighting under slack jawed fatties like this heffer in oak leaf.

Blogger Crave November 09, 2019 2:22 PM  

quote: Good thing these tests are utterly irrelevant, because it is not 1945 anymore and soldiers do not have to march for weeks carrying everything on back, because if they do you already lost (or they are special forces doing surgical missions and they are fit).
Sure fitter is better, but in modern times its not about soldier fitness, it is about exploding things in vast numbers, that fly with thousands of km/h and hit you on your head.

Ignorant notions like that is why we attempt to out-spend yet struggle against "inferior" foes. You do not own any piece of ground until you have boots on it.

Blogger Jimmy November 09, 2019 2:24 PM  

Nah. They are taking out PT scores from E5 promotion points instead. It will be pass-fail. So that they can retain women.

Blogger English Tom November 09, 2019 2:27 PM  

@Azure

You forgot the endorphins!

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 09, 2019 2:33 PM  

@70 Crave, and we can ask for example just who manhandles 95 pound 155 mm shells so they get from their shipping containers into the tubes of guns so that not entirely lightweight bags of powder behind them can shoot them out at "thousands of km/h?"

Blogger Clay November 09, 2019 2:34 PM  

Remember when the liberals were all screaming about "neutral" restrooms, and some such? Where did all that go? To Public schools? To Target?

Are female military personnel now required to shower and crap with the males? Till that happens...forget "equality".

Blogger rumpole5 November 09, 2019 2:37 PM  

If what I see at the beach is any measure, we are in big military trouble if fitness is a requirement. A fit looking young man with even a moderately muscular chest and narrow waist is the exception in any group of young men. I certainly hope that we have developed some tech fixes for this problem or we are sunk. I've seen at least one really attention getting video demonstration on offensive exploding drones, and another on a proactive defense system for military vehicles. Exoskeletons with some sort of anticipatory system to speed up reaction time might also help with the problem of declining physical fitness. I certainy hope that we have some kind of "long bow" type fix for the next Agincourt.

Blogger p_q November 09, 2019 2:37 PM  

You're insane or insanely stupid if you believe high tech militaries win wars instead of willing fit warm bodies.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 2:39 PM  

I was in the army during the Vietnam era, and formed a very low opinion of it. But then I was young and didn't appreciate how badly the world is run generally.

In one military unit, military police of all things, we had a supply Sargent who would sell off the supplies. His official inventory record was kept in a ring binder notebook. He would grab a sheet out of the notebook, tear it out, and then everything on that sheet was up for sale. The store that he used as a sales outlet consisted of a work shed that he bought from some civilian workmen who were on the base. Want to be a crook? Become a cop.

Nobody in the headquarters company ever got a traffic ticket from our military police company. And until the system broke down, nobody from the military police company ever got shipped to Vietnam, That is, except for our supply Sargent. When they started to catch up with his illegal activities, as soon as you could say "I need to be out of here," he got shipped out to Vietnam. Way too much trouble to bring him back, so it all just got dropped.

A third of all the supplies sent to Vietnam went to parts unknown. From what I saw of it, not so much outright theft as misallocation. I even got to be a part of it and didn't have to volunteer. No hazard for me as it was at the behest of the higher ranks. Not wanting to go somewhere that could well get you killed, along with sharing in a little of the loot, keeps all the lower ranking guys quiet. I was truly impressed with how easily I was corrupted.

Blogger El Fin November 09, 2019 2:47 PM  

Diversity will continue until morale collapses....an army of fat female non-Americans fighting for grabbler objectives is the epitome of clown world.

Blogger Azimus November 09, 2019 2:50 PM  

@ Karhu - I think you misunderstood his point, or maybe I did. I though the second paragraph was his rebuke of the quote above it. Could be I'm wrong but that was my take.

Blogger Crave November 09, 2019 2:56 PM  

Yes, it was a rebuke. I considered saying STFU and learn 2 soldier, but I'm not fluent enough in idiot to guarantee he'd understand.

Blogger rumpole5 November 09, 2019 3:05 PM  

Here's an example of possible tech fixes:

https://youtu.be/wh54QXzdPQs

I hope that the batteries don't give out before the battle ends! I have been reading a book entitled "Walls" by David Frye. He points out example after example of how civilized men behind defensive walls inevitably fall prey to more hardened offensive uncivilized tribes. The one exception he notes is the Maginot Line. None of the high tech hardened forts fell to the Germans. The French soldiers inside only surrendered when ordered to by their superiors. If the French had only put the line on the low country border as well as the French German border, history might have turned out quite differently. I never understood this oversight because Germany invaded France from the low countries in WWI!

Blogger Hank Brown November 09, 2019 3:19 PM  

"Sure fitter is better, but in modern times its not about soldier fitness, it is about exploding things in vast numbers, that fly with thousands of km/h and hit you on your head."

I run into this fallacy almost everywhere, and it's reliably a white knight spouting it.

However advance technology gets, non-nuclear war will ALWAYS require infantry. You can't take and hold ground without it. Those sexy, advanced weapons systems with all the high-tech features are heavy. Not any couch potato can hump them through all terrain in all weather. And for the forseeable future, firearms will remain the primary infantry weapons. Building defensive measures against incoming rounds requires hard work and decent upper body strength.

Spouting off about fantasy pushbutton wars is the pinnacle of ignorance.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 3:27 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:Here's an example of possible tech fixes:

We already cannot afford our military, already have ridiculous logistics requirements that we cannot sustain in a real war. I know, let's make it worse!

Hank Brown wrote:However advance technology gets, non-nuclear war will ALWAYS require infantry. You can't take and hold ground without it.

So does nuclear war. If you don't occupy the ground after you nuke it, you're just replaying Germany's mistake at Dunkirk.

Hank Brown wrote:Building defensive measures against incoming rounds requires hard work and decent upper body strength.

Digging holes, filling and stacking sandbags, cutting down trees and stacking them - that's traditionally women's work, right? Because of their superior upper body strength? If you read the accounts of warfare, you learn that shooting was rare, and hiking and earth moving was a daily activity.

Blogger Hank Brown November 09, 2019 3:28 PM  

"As an example, for a 20-year old male, passing level of pushup was...31. Seriously. 31 pushups in 2 minutes."

WTH? When did it drop to 31?

Blogger Richard Martel November 09, 2019 3:34 PM  

I have been discussing this "what happened to America?"question with friends and family lately. At what point did things change? The question usually comes up in discussions about drag queen story hours, forced sex changes, and the antiwhite hysteria that surrounds us but it is probably all connected. When did the world lose its mind? Maybe I was asleep (I was red pilled a few years ago by Cuckservative) but I don't remember the world being this crazy even 5 years ago.

Blogger Hank Brown November 09, 2019 3:34 PM  

"From what I read there was no gender norming, which is why so many of the women failed it. When one standard is set across the board it is always the male standard that gets set, and naturally 80% or more of the women can't even meet the minimums, because women are women."

I doubt if 20% legitimately passed. Wherever subjectivity is possible, military standards become a wet T-shirt contest.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 3:35 PM  

@81 If the French had only put the line on the low country border...

By going through the low countries, Germany took a calculated risk the French didn't expect. The route wasn't that good. And the Germans lacked the munitions for an extended war. Thus, they followed an unexpected high risk, high reward strategy. Hitler was convinced (apparently) that he had to overcome a Zionist conspiracy against Germany, and that only he had the will to do it. And the other European powers were rearming. The whole war was a high risk hurry up thing for the Germans.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon November 09, 2019 3:36 PM  

@75 "A fit looking young man with even a moderately muscular chest and narrow waist is the exception in any group of young men"

I've noticed that. The hip to shoulder ratio seems to have inverted in the last couple of decades, for white males at least. In any liberal city center you see young males with buttocks and hips that look female. This cannot be unrelated to plummeting testosterone levels.

On the flip side, I notice so many young women appear to be more masculine these days. Look carefully at the facial structures on younger white women and compare them to photos from the 50s and 60s. Blocky, more masculine planes, a kind of pugnaciousness that no amount of makeup can hide.

Then you add drugs, indolence, mental health issues... it's no wonder that even a fraction of the population could qualify to a WW2 standard for the army.

Blogger liberranter November 09, 2019 3:39 PM  

Not all bad though. The way that Nato has been misused over the last decade; I would prefer a slightly weaker military. That goes for North America and Europe.

BINGO. As long as the U.S. military is being used exclusively as an imperial force, the weaker and more dysfunctional it is, the better. I'll advocate for a stronger, combat capable U.S. military when there is something worthwhile for it to defend.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 3:47 PM  

Barbarossa wrote:Passing levels were absurdly simple. As an example, for a 20-year old male, passing level of pushup was...31. Seriously. 31 pushups in 2 minutes.

In my 30s I could easily pass the then-current PT standards for 18 year olds, despite being out of shape. Now that I'm nearing 60, I could still qualify at the 18 year old level, if I spent six months preparing. Six months because it takes longer now for me to build muscle or heal injuries.

It helps to be an ectomorph.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 3:50 PM  

@88 Jim the Curmudgeon

I read that there was an epidemic of fatties in the United States and started looking around. Damned if it isn't true. If you want an observation point, try a Walmart store.

Blogger Hank Brown November 09, 2019 3:59 PM  

@83 "So does nuclear war. If you don't occupy the ground after you nuke it, you're just replaying Germany's mistake at Dunkirk."

Well, I guess it's possible someone's high command would nuke the very ground they wanted to take or keep for resources or some other utility, but I failed to factor in the MPAI quotient.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 09, 2019 4:01 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:The French soldiers inside only surrendered when ordered to by their superiors. If the French had only put the line on the low country border as well as the French German border, history might have turned out quite differently. I never understood this oversight because Germany invaded France from the low countries in WWI!

FWIW, have a look at Churchill. He panicked and ordered the evacuation at Dunkirk. This opened a hole in the line ready-made for the Blitzkrieg. It was compounded by the fact that French armor (which was superior to the Panzers at the time) had already committed and moved into a position made 100x worse now by the Brits. Then the Germans got behind the Maginot Line. France was immediately doomed and everybody knew it.

Never trust any of the defense of you home to foreigners. No matter who it is, never, ever do this.

Blogger Ken Prescott November 09, 2019 4:05 PM  

"30 percent of male soldiers failed the fitness test. Now imagine what percentage would fail the old fitness test. I'd bet nearly two-thirds."

Wrong answer. Most were passing the test. The problem was that what the test measured wasn't really relevant to being physically ready for combat.

The new test was designed to measure combat-related tasks, much like the Marine Corps Combat Fitness Test did.

I am reliably informed that when the Marines began the CFT, a fair number of men who maxed the Marine PFT (which is tougher than the Army PFT) failed the CFT, sometimes managing to injure themselves in the process, because they thought they were in good physical condition (and, by CERTAIN metrics, they were), and didn't do up-front risk management.

The US military has never really had a solid grip on what combat-relevant physical fitness is, so they focused on BMI, cardiovascular endurance (as measured by running in PT gear), and exercise reps. That was it.

Blogger Silent Draco November 09, 2019 4:06 PM  

How many 50th percentile female foes it take to hang a missile, like Hellfire?

Not a joke, but a requirement. Takes strength, height, and arm reach, so a lot more than 2 guys

Blogger Avalanche November 09, 2019 4:07 PM  

@31 "The upside of this is that not having fit soldiers could keep us from goofing around in Uganda and Yemen and Syria, etc."

Nah, "our" govt will just trade a couple years of "service" to illegals in exchange for citizenship! They're doing it now, why not there?

Blogger rumpole5 November 09, 2019 4:08 PM  

But that is the same thing that the Huns did in WWI! The French should have anticipated the same tactic in WWII only 20 years later.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 09, 2019 4:12 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:But that is the same thing that the Huns did in WWI! The French should have anticipated the same tactic in WWII only 20 years later.

The Brits never cut and run the first time around. But they weren't stupid enough to let Churchill mess with the Western Front. They sent him to Gallipoli instead.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 4:18 PM  

@93
>>FWIW, have a look at Churchill. He panicked and ordered the evacuation at Dunkirk.

Going by what I read, not so much panicking as not wanting to put up all that much of a fight, and that caused the rapid retreat to Dunkirk. By that point the Brits lacked the forces necessary to hold off the Germans. The French knew it and agreed. Some French forces delayed the Germans, otherwise the Brits all would have been captured.

You can't do a major military maneuver unless you already have it as an established doctrine. Lacking that it takes way to long to set stuff up. I doubt the French at this time were up to a Blitzkrieg as a matter of organization.

Blogger Slippin JImmy November 09, 2019 4:23 PM  

The soldiers and marines who "yomped" the length of East Falkland beg to differ.

Blogger rumpole5 November 09, 2019 4:24 PM  

I was not at all muscular on into exercise as a youth, but I recall that until I married at 27, I used to do 100 push ups most mornings before work in batches of 20 (not hard when you only weigh 140 lbs.) That's why what I see in young men now is so alarming. Many will be dead of heart trouble or diabetes before they get to my age. Plus they are missing many of the physical joys of being in reasonable shape. Put down the damn phone and go for a walk, run, paddle, or swim. Go spelunking or rock climbing. For Mercy's sake, do something physical!

Blogger Slippin JImmy November 09, 2019 4:27 PM  

And when the Argues sink your ship carrying all your heavy lift helicopters?

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 4:31 PM  

@101
The book the China Study agrees with you and makes a more detailed argument. Rich people die of different diseases than do poor people, and it is world wide. Heart and circulation problems are almost exclusivity a diet issue, very rare in poor countries where people are thin and eat inexpensive foods. Diabetes and other stuff also.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 09, 2019 4:33 PM  

"In a new report, the Center for Military Readiness says that 84% of women fail the New Army Combat Fitness Test and that “all military officials should drop the ‘gender diversity’ agenda and put mission readiness and ‘combat lethality’ first.”"

New, no doubt means relaxed.

Here's the problem. This guy is always on TV self-promoting under the guise of recruitment. He's got four stars. Obama appointee. My sarecastic side says so this is the reward for losing an F-16 to a SAM?

Nota Bene: In five years, he'll be retired and looking for a VP slot on the Dems ticket.

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/March%202019/Goldfein-Embracing-Diversity-Isnt-About-Being-Politically-Correct-Its-a-Warfighting-Imperative.aspx

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/March%202018/Goldfein-Solutions-for-the-Pilot-Crisis-Center-on-Diversity.aspx

Some of the rank and file get it. Goldfein is the enemy not within, but at the top

http://christianfighterpilot.com/tag/david-goldfein/
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I can't help but notice the surname.

I am now of the opinion that I regard the Generals with suspicion. It seems every where that Hayek was right, the worse do always rise to the top

Blogger Thomas Howard November 09, 2019 4:38 PM  

Back in my service days, 90% of the no fo rangers and classmates squirming on the deck in a pool of sweat during platoon meetings were female. The other 10% were mentally broken guys trying to rationalize their way to resigning their appointments. The females were mentally broken to begin with for the most part, of course. This occurred before today's hyperactive efforts to create uber diversity. This was at one of the federal service academies--the best of the best. PFTs had separate male/female pass and max standards back then, too.

Blogger Noah B. November 09, 2019 4:39 PM  

The new Army Combat Fitness Test is more comprehensive than the old test, but the ACFT minimum requirements are a joke.

https://www.army.mil/acft/

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 09, 2019 4:41 PM  

There were enough ladies in the infantry to begin with. Now they want to add women?!

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 4:44 PM  

My take is that a lot of military officers enter the service with the kind of attitudes we would like them to have. And then, over time, they just sort of slack off. At the top it becomes little more than political maneuvering. Generals are okay, but almost all of them are just another kind of bureaucrat.

Blogger Avalanche November 09, 2019 4:50 PM  

@103 "The book the China Study"

The China Study -- and its author -- are crap, from front to back, top to bottom. Here, catch up!

General review: https://proteinpower.com/blog/the-china-study-vs-the-china-study/ from which:
Once I saw that the original China study was nothing but a huge number of correlations, I quickly lost interest. What is the point in going through the brain damage of ferreting around in these to see if Dr. Campbell interpreted them correctly when he tries to make his case that a plant-based diet is optimal. It doesn’t really matter whether he interprets them correctly or not, they are only correlations. Repeat after me one last time: Correlation is not causation, correlation is not causation, correlation is not causation…

I wondered why Dr. Campbell and his group didn’t spend a fraction of the time and money they spent on this behemoth of a spreadsheet full of correlations on a real study that could provide hard evidence. Why not randomize subjects into two groups and provide one a plant-based diet and the other a meat-based diet or something similar. Lock them down as Ancel Keys did if they had to. Surely the money spent on the China study could’ve covered that. Get some real data. I discovered later that I wasn’t the only one who wondered that. Even some of Dr. Campbell’s own colleagues abandoned him to this study and told him it would be worthless. More about this later.

So enough for me. I stuck my copy of the $240 book of correlations in my library and forgot about it. Until Denise Minger’s critique hit the net.


Here's the debunking: https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ from which:
When I first started analyzing the original China Study data, I had no intention of writing up an actual critique of Campbell’s much-lauded book. I’m a data junkie. Numbers, along with tiny strawberries and Audrey Hepburn films, please me greatly. I mainly wanted to see for myself how closely Campbell’s claims aligned with the data he drew from—if only to satisfy my own curiosity as a long-time dietary inquisitor.

But after spending a solid month and a half reading, graphing, sticky-noting, and passing out at 3 AM from studious exhaustion upon my copy of the raw China Study data, I’ve decided it’s time to voice all my criticisms. And there are many.



Book review of her second book: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/introducing-death-by-food-pyramid/ from which:
About three years ago, Denise Minger – a statistics-savvy English major in her early 20s – set the nutrition world ablaze with her careful, methodical parsing of the data behind The China Study. As your probably know, The China Study is that “authoritative” tome that vegans and vegetarians carry around as an instant comeback to any omnivore who dares assert the healthfulness of consuming things with faces.
Plus: https://deniseminger.com/2011/07/31/one-year-later-the-china-study-revisited-and-re-bashed/

Enjoy!

Blogger Ken Prescott November 09, 2019 4:51 PM  

@77

"A third of all the supplies sent to Vietnam went to parts unknown. From what I saw of it, not so much outright theft as misallocation."

I was told a horror story of just how bad this got:

Back in the mid-1970s, in Okinawa, Headquarters & Maintenance Squadron 36 flew a detachment of OV-10 Broncos for the purpose of allowing officers assigned to the 1st Marine Air Wing and Marine Air Group 36 headquarters elements maintain basic flight proficiency. (They allegedly had a wartime mission, but nobody took it seriously.)

During the withdrawal from Vietnam in 1969-72, a great deal of gear was retrograded back to Okinawa, shoved into warehouses, never properly receipted/inducted into inventory, and promptly forgotten about. Much of this was aircraft spare parts that were brand-new, zero-time, in the original packaging.

Some bored OV-10 maintainers at MCAS Futenma found this trove of spare parts, and somebody got whacked over the head by the Good Idea Fairy.

In an abandoned hangar, parts were brought in by guys on night crew. Day crew guys working a couple hours a night and on weekends bolted them together.

In short order, the Marine Corps had gained an OV-10 Bronco. Solely from spares. Undocumented spares.

They told the CO of H&MS-36, who was a test pilot. He flew the acceptance test flight profile, the aircraft passed, and he then said, "Very well done, boys. That said, DON'T EVER DO ANYTHING THIS STUPID EVER AGAIN!"

He then tried to get the new aircraft a NAVAIR bureau number, and that's when things came unglued. NAVAIR wanted to know how it had happened, and they didn't like when the H&MS-36 CO told them exactly how it happened.

The Marine Corps spent over a decade trying to root out the Vietnam-era spares in WESTPAC, with only limited success--when I was at MCAS Iwakuni for my final tour in 1990-91, we found half a dozen J79 engines for F-4B Phantoms that had been dropped off at Iwakuni in 1965, and had sat untouched in the back of the warehouse for 25 years. (Engines are controlled on about the same level as aircraft--each engine has its own service record that's essentially the aircraft logbook in miniature.) We only found those because we were brooming out all of the remaining F-4S Phantom spares--the last active duty squadron had traded their Phantoms in for Hornets, and we didn't need the old stuff any more.

Blogger David Craig November 09, 2019 4:59 PM  

The new pt test is just illuminating the lie that was embraced in the old standards. I worked with lots of dudes who struggled to pass runs and situps, and had no problem with 10 mile patrols in rough terrain day after day with 70+ lbs of gear. Even the best women couldn't keep up with the tougher fat chain-smoker guys in real operational world. Not even close.

I understand some men's experience in trashcanistan was sitting in a hole on a mountain with no water for weeks at a time, but experiences do vary. To plan an army around that mindset will end in disaster.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len November 09, 2019 5:19 PM  

170,000 women enlisted and over 40,000 women officers

Doesn't that officer ratio seem rather high for a bunch of unfit desk sloths?

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 09, 2019 5:22 PM  

I know it's fiction, but: Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood portrayed the post-Vietnam, post-Carter military as weak and wasteful. The enlisted men were society's outcasts and losers and the officers were pencil-pushing game-players. Clint had to whip them into shape to get the dozen he needed to take Grenada. The problem of military readiness dipping in peacetime is cyclical, and has probably always been an issue.

But this is the first time, at least in modern history, that it was compounded by giving uniforms to girls. If your troops are young men who at least survived a rigorous basic training before turning into slackers, you can whip them into a fighting force. You can't do that with a co-ed softball team that's there to play grab-ass.

Blogger Thomas Howard November 09, 2019 5:27 PM  

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Blogger Thomas Howard November 09, 2019 5:30 PM  

@Don't Call Me Len
Gender equity is more highly prized in the wardroom than in berthing, as in the civilian world. No one complains about the lack of female representation in construction work.

Blogger Macs November 09, 2019 5:48 PM  

In all seriousness I think women should have their own divisions. They can be quute effective for certain missions, but having two physical standards in the same units is a recipe for disaster, to say nothing of the psychology.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 5:48 PM  

>>No one complains about the lack of female representation in construction work.

Or on dangerous or dirty jobs generally. Pandering for the female vote I suppose. You are mistreated, elect me and I will fix it.

Blogger Macs November 09, 2019 5:51 PM  

They carry insane amounts of weight, for better or worse. Special forces are more likely to use animals or locals.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 5:56 PM  

The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:The Brits never cut and run the first time around. But they weren't stupid enough to let Churchill mess with the Western Front. They sent him to Gallipoli instead.

Do you believe this stuff or am I touching the poop?;^)

Never is a long, long time. With slight exception, for a couple of years in a row the British did nothing but retreat in the Peninsular War. And Gallipoli was WWI, Dunkirk WWII.

Blogger Unknownsailor November 09, 2019 6:21 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:@77

"A third of all the supplies sent to Vietnam went to parts unknown. From what I saw of it, not so much outright theft as misallocation."

I was told a horror story of just how bad this got:

Back in the mid-1970s, in Okinawa, Headquarters & Maintenance Squadron 36 flew a detachment of OV-10 Broncos for the purpose of allowing officers assigned to the 1st Marine Air Wing and Marine Air Group 36 headquarters elements maintain basic flight proficiency. (They allegedly had a wartime mission, but nobody took it seriously.)

During the withdrawal from Vietnam in 1969-72, a great deal of gear was retrograded back to Okinawa, shoved into warehouses, never properly receipted/inducted into inventory, and promptly forgotten about. Much of this was aircraft spare parts that were brand-new, zero-time, in the original packaging.

Some bored OV-10 maintainers at MCAS Futenma found this trove of spare parts, and somebody got whacked over the head by the Good Idea Fairy.

In an abandoned hangar, parts were brought in by guys on night crew. Day crew guys working a couple hours a night and on weekends bolted them together.

In short order, the Marine Corps had gained an OV-10 Bronco. Solely from spares. Undocumented spares.

They told the CO of H&MS-36, who was a test pilot. He flew the acceptance test flight profile, the aircraft passed, and he then said, "Very well done, boys. That said, DON'T EVER DO ANYTHING THIS STUPID EVER AGAIN!"

He then tried to get the new aircraft a NAVAIR bureau number, and that's when things came unglued. NAVAIR wanted to know how it had happened, and they didn't like when the H&MS-36 CO told them exactly how it happened.

The Marine Corps spent over a decade trying to root out the Vietnam-era spares in WESTPAC, with only limited success--when I was at MCAS Iwakuni for my final tour in 1990-91, we found half a dozen J79 engines for F-4B Phantoms that had been dropped off at Iwakuni in 1965, and had sat untouched in the back of the warehouse for 25 years. (Engines are controlled on about the same level as aircraft--each engine has its own service record that's essentially the aircraft logbook in miniature.) We only found those because we were brooming out all of the remaining F-4S Phantom spares--the last active duty squadron had traded their Phantoms in for Hornets, and we didn't need the old stuff any more.

I think that the Marines are still cleaning out warehouses there. My 2nd time on Okinawa 2007-2010 I used to make monthly DRMO runs to Kinser, and every damned time there were piles and piles of just.... stuff dropped off my Marines.
My first duty station was Futenma, H&HS 1st MAW Navy Supply, 94-96, and I didn't see anything like you mentioned. That stuff must have come from MALS-36, we didn't have any room for it in my building.

Blogger Smith November 09, 2019 6:24 PM  

I separated from the Navy as a Dental Officer last year. I can vouch first hand as to the lower standards not just physically but also professionally of the women I worked with and treated. They don't even hide it either. The officer FitReps have a diversity evaluation section. The only way you got anything other than 3/5 on this area was if you were the CMEO which of course only went to women and minorities. There is an implicit understanding on the enlisted side that white men do not get the quarterly or annual awards either. One year, the biggest shit bird at my clinic got petty officer of the year. It was so egregious that even the minority women were pissed about it.

At my last command before separating, I was at a branch clinic attached to NHC Quantico. At grand rounds one quarter, a doc gave a presentation on musculoskeletal injuries that can occur during OCS. Turned out around 25% of female OCS candidates were getting stress fractures in the bones of their legs just doing normal training. After three years there, I've developed a deep distaste of female nurses over the age of 30. I can't think of a more useless group of people.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 6:30 PM  

@92, you obviously haven't read Effects of Nuclear Weapons. Nuking a target doesn't obviate the need to occupy it, and the surrounding area. You will want to limit your troops time in hot spots, but hot spots don't last long.

Blogger Situyong November 09, 2019 6:43 PM  

Out of curiosity, what was the old standards? I plan to join the military next year and want to measure myself againt the harder standards.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 09, 2019 6:50 PM  

@106, having read the new standards, I believe I could get a score of 60 or perhaps more on each of those, with less than six months practice. I will be sixty in a little over a year. I don't think those standards are too high for men.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 09, 2019 6:56 PM  

Years ago I was card-carrying right wing Patriot nut job militia terrorist.
This situation with the army does not bother me. Especially on the prospect that this army might get commanded someday by people who think I'm Hitler incarnate. They probably think all those bubble-gut Hispanics will don the uniform and do the dirty work. You know, like GoT where all most of the important cast stayed in the city and brown people fought in the field.

Blogger American Nationalist November 09, 2019 7:22 PM  

I'm shipping out to the army soon, having enlisted before I really got into this blog. Twice, our Future Soldier Training has been canceled due to inclement weather. What counts as "inclement" is apparently a little rain and cold winds.

I'm not complaining about anything that might make Basic easier, seeing as I'm not going career, but it's pretty depressing to think about. I'm just hoping it'll still make me stronger and tougher than I am right now.

Blogger Johnny November 09, 2019 7:33 PM  

@126 I'm shipping out to the army soon...

Don't get upset about the BS on this board. It is political crap that nobody can do anything about. Plus we have finely gotten around to giving our troops decent wages.

And one way or another they will jerk you around regardless of the weather.

Luck with you enlistment.

Blogger Steve Canyon November 09, 2019 7:46 PM  

Every officer will have to make a choice. Be someone or do something. Kiss ass, play the game, be a bureaucrat and you are somebody. Be true to the martial way, you may get to do something. In this day and age, you will not endear yourself to leadership and most likely will get passed over and shown the door.

Blogger McChuck November 09, 2019 8:04 PM  

@116 Max - The Soviets fielded several all-female Divisions in WWII, and even put some on the front lines. The Germans reacted to them in this way: "Pretend they aren't there. Just ignore them."

The Germans then marched forward through the "gaps" in the Soviet line.

Blogger Barbarossa November 09, 2019 8:25 PM  

@126 Best of luck to you. I was in for almost 30 and saw a lot improve with regards to wages and living conditions over that period. Saw a lot deteriorate as well with many of the issues discussed here.

None of that you have any direct control over. Here's what you can control: your mind and body. Stay physically fit. Exercise extreme caution around women and minorities. You may think, "She's like a dude. I can make all the sex jokes around her I want." Don't do it. She'll tell her friends how funny you are and they'll tell her she's been harassed and should report it. And if she doesn't, they will. By the way, that's not a hypothetical. Saw it happen repeatedly.

Army training is good, but it's geared towards Average Guy. If you're already a dead shot, you'll find firearms training extremely boring. If you'd rather handle a snake than a gun, you will fall behind quickly. In short, they will give you the skills to do the tasks of your MOS, but they will do next to nothing to educate you as a warrior. The recommended reading lists are a joke for the most part, but if you need guidance in that regard, use the USMC professional reading list. The Navy's list has been a profound embarrassment to me for a long time including such notable tomes as "Humility is the New Smart", "Make Your Bed" and "The Road to Character" by that noted developer of character David Brooks. All works certain to be admired for generations to come. Ye cats.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 09, 2019 8:43 PM  

We should return to our constitutional roots of having militias. Forget the military industrial complex and its affirmative action hires and ever-increasing budget and reach (encroachment), let's just make sure there are plenty of armed, law-abiding citizens who are ready and willing to assist law enforcement (deputies) on and within our own borders.

Blogger andrisf November 09, 2019 9:21 PM  

McChuck wrote:@116 Max - The Soviets fielded several all-female Divisions in WWII, and even put some on the front lines. The Germans reacted to them in this way: "Pretend they aren't there. Just ignore them."

The Germans then marched forward through the "gaps" in the Soviet line.


Can you give me some info on this, first time i have ever heard this, even tho i am very well versed in WW2 history. Snipers sure, nurses, medics sure, all sorts of communications officers sure, but combat DIVISION ON FRONT LINES?!! I would say that it is utter bullshit, but if you show me info i would be grateful.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 09, 2019 9:31 PM  

Oh you poor poor, misinformed, delusional little man.

What you just said actually may have been the case in World War 1,but that was not due to technology, that was due to the failure of old 18th century tactics.

In the current Era, having fit, strong soldiers is actually more important than ever before, seeing as we have never had a Total War scenario since World War 2. Hell, most of the tech you seem to rub yourself off to on a regular basis can't function in a long range manner and would need to be fielded by spec ops teams closer to mission critical areas. This means having fit soldiers is even MORE important now than ever before.

To say nothing of the fact that Rice Farmers, Desert tribesmen, and numerous tribal and guerilla militia forces have made the act of beating technologically superior armies into a lopsided bingo game where 90% of the odds are in their favor and against the high tech boom boom people.

You really need to stop posting here. You're not even close to being a fraction tall enough for this ride.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa November 09, 2019 9:36 PM  

There are obviously still some senior officers who've retained their balls but been wise as serpents while crossing the feminist land-mines that are strewn across an officer's career path. Exhibit A: at www.army.mil/acft in the FAQ section, there is this whiny question asked and answered:
"NEW How does the Army intend to prepare women to take this test and excel as well as their male counterparts?"


ANSWER: "Army standards are grounded in the requirements of combat operations. The rigors of ground combat do not discriminate between men or women; therefore, our physical fitness test and standards reflect that reality. The ACFT is a product of a scientifically validated study, which identified field-expedient physical fitness events that were most predictive of performance on high physical demand common Soldier tasks, regardless of gender. While there are physiological differences between men and women, our focus remains on increasing the fitness and readiness of all Soldiers through training, and assessing the physical capacity of Soldiers to fully perform common Warrior Tasks and Battle Drills."

In short, new Army Combat Fitness test to measure actual physical demands of combat--promotions will be impacted: fatties & females hardest hit!

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 09, 2019 9:44 PM  

Worth remembering the very obvious issue of M16s jamming regularly in Vietnam due to humidity. That set the effort back by a mile.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 09, 2019 10:05 PM  

Pretty certain there's some books on the subject if you go looking.

I highly doubt your well-versed in World War 2 (Much less being able to tie your own shoe laces), but contrary to what lolcow WN 1.0 relic Karl Radl has to say on the matter, the mobilization of female troops was no boon, but a detriment. If anything, there's a better case to be made that the money/logistics/material that the rest of the Allies were funneling into the Soviet Union was more decisive than any claims of superior female soldier mobilization or as the lolcows of both the Purity Spiral or Atomwaffen Division (Special shout out to Rip Steakface) claimed, the "greater tenacity and fanaticism of the Soviets because of their willingness to do rape".

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 09, 2019 10:13 PM  

In all seriousness I think women should have their own divisions. They can be quute effective for certain missions

For instance? Unless you're talking about giving enemy soldiers VD, I'm drawing a blank.

Blogger Jack Amok November 09, 2019 10:26 PM  

Nearly a quarter of all enlisted women are officers? Am I reading that right?

Sure, why not? "I'm Private Roe and I identify as a Lieutenant Colonel. My preferred pronoun is 'Sir'."

Blogger Noah B. November 09, 2019 10:39 PM  

Churchill was selected as Prime Minster the same day as the execution of Fall Gelb. He had no time at all to make his own war preparations. Hell of first day.

Blogger Thad Tuiol November 09, 2019 11:52 PM  

Sweet Jesus, the gamma fumes coming off andrisf are just too much for a beautiful Sunday morning... I'm off to church.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 10, 2019 12:09 AM  

Johnny wrote:Do you believe this stuff or am I touching the poop?;^)

Never is a long, long time. With slight exception, for a couple of years in a row the British did nothing but retreat in the Peninsular War. And Gallipoli was WWI, Dunkirk WWII.
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No, it's not poop. It's just a little ANCILLARY discussion that isn't relevant to the main post. AND my view isn't outside of the range of opinions among this crew when it comes to WWII.

Yes, Gallipoli was WWI, as I pointed out with "the first time around". You're really not following my argument. I don't know why, but whatever.

It's for another day. Patience. It'll swing round sooner or later.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 10, 2019 1:26 AM  

Infiltrating the other side as saboteurs, perhaps?

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 10, 2019 1:31 AM  

"No one complains about the lack of female representation in construction work"
... least of all, women.

Blogger DonReynolds November 10, 2019 2:42 AM  

andrisf wrote:McChuck wrote:@116 Max - The Soviets fielded several all-female Divisions in WWII, and even put some on the front lines. The Germans reacted to them in this way: "Pretend they aren't there. Just ignore them."

The Germans then marched forward through the "gaps" in the Soviet line.


Can you give me some info on this, first time i have ever heard this, even tho i am very well versed in WW2 history. Snipers sure, nurses, medics sure, all sorts of communications officers sure, but combat DIVISION ON FRONT LINES?!! I would say that it is utter bullshit, but if you show me info i would be grateful.


Damelon Brinn wrote:In all seriousness I think women should have their own divisions. They can be quute effective for certain missions

For instance? Unless you're talking about giving enemy soldiers VD, I'm drawing a blank.


The Soviet Army in WWII is the only modern occasion I know of where all-female infantry units were put in the front line. It is true and there were reasons why it was done.

The female Soviet infantry units were used in "quiet" sectors to take the place of male infantry units. They wore the same uniforms, dug the same trenches and looked much like any other... especially from a distance.

Unfortunately, when the Germans found out where they were in the line, they got hit hard. Yes, they basically pretended it was a gap in the line and exploited it. The carnage was pretty frightful, with male Soviet "fire brigades" rushed to the scene to effect a rescue. The Russians have made several recent movies about these all-female infantry units.

Basically, these units were not for offensive operations but merely to create the false impression that the sector was covered and defended by regular Soviet infantry. They were just for deception and when they were found out, they were pretty much slaughtered by the Germans.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 3:29 AM  

I'm looking at the Army Combat Fitness Test book right now.

No allowances for being female, and no allowances for age.

Minimum allowable score is based on your MOS. Naturally, Combat Arms types have the highest demand.

Contrary to what VD says, the passing rate on the current "old" PT test is high. This new test is going to rid the army of a lot of dead weight, and then some. Failing two tests "for record" (as opposed to diagnostic) and the paperwork gets started to process a soldier out of the army.

This is a GOOD thing. We have far, FAR too many fat-bodies throughout all the ranks.

Personally, I'm not sure if I can pass this new PT test at my age. Might be time to look into transferring into the air farce.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 4:05 AM  

@26

"I never saw an example proving that true, but thought it was a stupid counterpoint. Who cares how straight you shoot if you're too emotionally weak to pull the trigger? The Army exists to kill people, not help girls feel good about themselves."

Go read up on Russia's experience using women as infantry. They did it TWICE... in both WW1 and WW2.

In WW1, their performance was acceptable (not great, but acceptable, given that this was the era of trench warfare). Most of the female units were also lead by female officers.

In WW2, things had changed, and the emotional differences between men and women came to the fore. After WW2, the Red Army decided they may use women as sniper again, but will never use women as infantry again, but NOT for the reasons you might suspect.

Female snipers proved to be far more patient than men.
Women also have far better night vision than men. Almost all of the Red Army's night bomber and night fighter aircrew were women. The Germans called them the Night Witches.

Now, as to why the Red Army doesn't plan on using women as infantry ever again.

If comes down to the difference between men and women's ways of fighting. When two men fight, generally, if one concedes, the other stops fighting. Not so with women. The WW2 female infantry companies were, by and large, led by male officers.

What was documented again and again, was, if a female company won an engagement, they pursued their opponents relentlessly. You might be asking, "why is this bad?"

Well, for on thing, in the above situation, they were completely out of command and control. Suppose a company is ordered to take and occupy some village at a crossroads, or some slight rise of ground that passes for a hill in the steppes of western Russia/Ukraine/Belorus. By whatever means, the women win... and then rather than staying on the objective, they keep pursuing the defeated Axis unit. Now the company is all strung out, many of them well forward of the Forward Edge of the Battle Area (FEBA). Good luck getting any troops consolidated on that objected within, say, 6 hours, let alone treating the casualties that occurred during the dogged pursuit.

And the German doctrine in WW2 was that any time a position was overrun by the enemy, they would counter-attack as soon as possible, while those troops on the objective are worn out from having conquered it.
[In light of this, British and US doctrine became "as soon as a company-sized element conquers an objective, a well-rested company held in reserve should occupy it the objective IMMEDIATELY.]

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 4:05 AM  


I don't know if the Red Army ever adopted such a doctrine or not. Women generally have more body fat, and thus can sustain themselves longer after a pitched engagement is over, burning fats rather than sugars, and are less likely to fall into post-combat sleep. But the problem is, even if they are awake, if they're NOT on the objective because they've been chasing one enemy element for a couple miles overland, that made it extremely easy for a German counter-attack force to re-occupy the lost objective immediately.

The theory on this is that in normal, everyday life, women generally avoid a physical fight far more than men do, and will engage in such only if they perceive the situation to be one of life or death, and thus, one in a fight, they will fight until SOMEONE is dead -- her or her opponent. Thus, they don't respond to an retreating enemy the way men do (and as most nation's army's doctrine expect a unit to behave when given a limited objective and achieving it).

Basically, to summarize the Russian experience with women troops in female-segregated combat arms units during WW2: women treat ALL combat as a "search and destroy" mission, regardless of what those higher up the chain of command want.

From my personal experience in a co-ed unit in Desert Storm -- they're not worth the utter and complete soap operas that they constantly cause because they just can't help themselves. They thrive on drama, and if there isn't any going on, they'll create it.

And as another commenter observed, only 1 in 10 females were worth anything. In my unit in Desert Storm (22nd Ordnance Battalion (AMMO) (PROV), the only female who pulled her own was this woman from a Navajo reservation (about 1/4 of the Unit was form Arizon), who, poor thing, looked like she had been beaten with the ugly stick at every meal for her entire life. But she was a rare exception.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 4:51 AM  

@83

"So does nuclear war. If you don't occupy the ground after you nuke it, you're just replaying Germany's mistake at Dunkirk."

Yes, because occupying a hot radiation zone with your own troops, so they call come down with, at the very least, radiation sicknes, if not death, is such a winning tactic.

The stupid, it burns.

Like chemical weapons, Nukes are an area and asset denail weapon. You NEVER attack an area you want to occupy and use with chemical munitions, or nukes. Unless you want to kill your own troops that go occupy that objective.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 5:10 AM  

@123

"Out of curiosity, what was the old standards? I plan to join the military next year and want to measure myself againt the harder standards."

The old standard is easier.
Just do a we search for APFT

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 5:18 AM  

@126

"
I'm not complaining about anything that might make Basic easier, seeing as I'm not going career, but it's pretty depressing to think about. I'm just hoping it'll still make me stronger and tougher than I am right now."

Since none of you have been to basic training, you don't have issued wet-weather gear or anything. And nobody yet has enough respect for NCO authority in the event of something going wrong. Yes, it's pure CYA on the part of the NCO and/or officer in charge of your "Future Soldier" training... but, in this day of everything is a legal court case and lawsuits, it's a wise move.

Besides, there was no "Future Soldier" program until about 10 years ago, and before then, everybody did just fine. Personally, I went from signing my enlistment papers to arriving at Fort Jackson in 45 days. Even if there had been a "future soldier" program, I would only have had an opportunity to attend once.

Don't worry about it. As long as you're motivated, you'll do well. Basic Training is more of a mind game than anything else. Yes, you learn the 40 common tasks, and basic army culture. But the big thing is your mind, first, last, and always.

Blogger John Rockwell November 10, 2019 5:23 AM  

@Dirk Manly

Goes to show that men have are better genetically programmed in regards to violence.

Knowing when to stop is about as important as when to start.

In this regard men are better programmed for organized violence which therefore is more likely to lead to just and measured outcomes.

Hence why women were in scripture forbidden from carrying arms or conscripted for war in Ancient Israel.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 10, 2019 5:37 AM  

Exactly. As others noted, the female units were prone to being beat badly. And on the rare occasion when they did win a battle, the higher organization lost, because the women weren't were they were supposed to be after the enemy broke.

Blogger Boaty Bear November 10, 2019 6:20 AM  

Basic training used to be about Strengthening/developing/testing the Amygdala.. and more importantly weeding out the weakly conditioned ones.... Fight or flight?

Now recruitment seems to be about promoting the Atrophied Amygdala...
And triggering the Ks!

Blogger andrisf November 10, 2019 8:12 AM  

There were NEVER any women only combat divisions on front lines in USSR in WW2. Never.
At first i was very surprised when many commentators here started talking about that, since i know history of WW2, especially eastern front very well, so i asked people who would talk about all women divisions in front line combat to give me some info, i was as usual called some names and told to "look it up".
I did and i can tell you for a fact there were none.

Blogger Andy'scurious November 10, 2019 8:34 AM  

Sandals, it must be the sandals.

Blogger JohnG November 10, 2019 9:39 AM  

This story was originally reported on a different outlet by a "male feminist" who swears it's some sort of plot to eliminate 80% of the women out of the military. Anybody that's done a lick of time in the service knows that the females aren't as strong as the men - which includes the officers, who were lieutenants once and actually had to be down at the platoon level where all the heavy lifting is done (literally). The standards back to 1985 when I got in were separate, most females wouldn't have been able to do the minimum male pushups and the minimum male run time would have been out of reach for most of them (the standard since 1985 has only had one revision and is still in effect now). This new standard is a little bit ridiculous (I'm not seeing a combat application for throwing a medicine ball behind you, for example) but ultimately the Army is going to adopt the new fitness test and modify it (ie, make a separate standard for women) and then double down on the propaganda that women are just as capable as men like they've been doing for over 30 years. There's a small chance they could scrap the new standard, but the Army tends to keep things they've spent a lot of money on, even if it doesn't work: The DCGS-A (Distributed Common Ground Station - Army) analytical software suite has been a failure for nearly two decades despite 10s of $millions dumped into it to fix it - the latest "fix" is to add even more software (at additional cost) to the package that "kind of" works. Senior officers never admit they were wrong, DoD still pays lip service to COIN despite doing everything they can to eliminate/minimize it in training (lol, "hybrid" is code for minimizing COIN).

Blogger maniacprovost November 10, 2019 9:51 AM  

It helps to be an ectomorph.

Maybe. My personal experience was that the Army does NOT do or teach physical training that meets the needs of Ectomorphs. I was in the reserves and it took me about 5 years to teach myself how to train properly.

Blogger English Tom November 10, 2019 10:11 AM  

@Don Reynolds

See: the Dawn's here are Quiet, a film and also tv series, about Russian female units.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 10, 2019 10:27 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Yes, because occupying a hot radiation zone with your own troops, so they call come down with, at the very least, radiation sicknes, if not death, is such a winning tactic.

Dirk, do you imagine that nukes create vast steppes of green-glowing glass? Do you imagine that ionizing radiation is a binary thing, either on or off, and any of it is debilitating? That's not how it works, but that's how you're talking.

Fallout is temporary and localized. With airbursts, it's minimal. Read Effects of Nuclear Weapons. Play with the slide chart a bit.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 10, 2019 10:34 AM  

JohnG wrote:This story was originally reported on a different outlet by a "male feminist" who swears it's some sort of plot to eliminate 80% of the women out of the military.

I hope that's true. It would indicate some non-PC sanity near the top. More likely, the PC SJWs near the top actually believe the equalist crap, actually think stronk, independent women can pass.

The proof will come in the reaction to failure: will 80% of stronk, independent GI Barbies be separated out? Or will they stay? Based on past performance of top brass, I'd bet on stay.

Trump's administration has had a lot of firsts; maybe this will be another. Maybe they'll get the boot.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton November 10, 2019 11:22 AM  

Israel should no longer rely on the U.S. as its Golem.

Blogger Ken Prescott November 10, 2019 7:27 PM  

@120

H&MS-36 was the predecessor to MALS-36, they converted all of the H&MS units to MALS in 1988. Basically, the formerly MAG-level tactical HQ function got moved up to wing, and Group's sole mission was sustainment/IMA.

I thought it was a dumb idea.

Blogger Taylor? November 11, 2019 2:50 AM  

I'm also looking forward to how my unit handles it all. Being a relatively laid back NG unit, and on top of that being an aviation battalion, I foresee it being an all day event.

Blogger Taylor? November 11, 2019 3:16 AM  

My co-ed basic training company was one giant game of grab-ass. People trying to sneak out of their bays at night to hook up. And who even knows what happened in the female bays with as many lesbians as there were. It was a joke.

Blogger CarpeOro November 11, 2019 9:49 AM  

andrisf - Proving that all have their place in the scheme of things, if only to serve as a negative example.

@Rumpole
Why didn't France extend the Maginot line to cover Luxembourg and Belgium? It was part of the original design, they just ran out of money.

Blogger Uindo November 11, 2019 11:40 AM  

The insane thing is that there's an entire infrastructure of testosterone and steroid use being built but it's reserved for women who want to be men. Masculinity for men is illegal. I don't know if it would be a good solution but if men aren't fit enough just hire on some professional atheletes to oversee a steroid cycle or two during training. The effects of a completed cycle, including post cycle normalization, have permanent effects on muscle strength. If you promised this 'free' treatment for joining recruitment would swell.

But the fact that they are focusing on women and robot exosuits shows how not serious the management is about the issue.

Blogger philobeddoe November 21, 2019 2:12 AM  

You're the leading candidate for Secretary of Defense; well done.

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