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Monday, November 11, 2019

Rediscovering truth

John Cleese reflects on the history of Monty Python and other things in an interview with Daily Beast:
“As for the rise of social media in our lives, I think it’s a disaster,” he says as we wrap up. “All we have as human beings is our interpersonal skills. And I think that almost everything that social media has done has been making that worse. And trying to persuade young people that building up their egos is what they should be spending their time on is farcical. There’s a very fine book called Technopoly written by Neil Postman, in which he points out that, with every technological advance, there’s always gains and there’s losses. But that the people who come up with the technology have to be smart enough to realize that other people can use those advances against them for malign purposes. When I wrote my books with Robin Skinner, I came to the view that there was no system that humans couldn’t… destroy. It all depends on whether you’re talking about decent people or not. The system doesn’t matter so much as the fact that it relies on people behaving decently. There is a tendency in America toward predatory capitalism. And there’s nothing more destructive to society than the idea that the only thing that matters is money. Because that’s basically sociopathic. So I think that the greatest problem in the world at the moment is greed.”
I seem to recall a man once said that the love of all money is the root of all evil. And he said that nearly 2,000 years ago, so it's probably not just a problem of the current moment.

It's fascinating to observe how philosophers, scientists, and even comedians who reject Christianity keep coming back to its teachings despite themselves.

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46 Comments:

Blogger Geoff November 11, 2019 5:52 AM  

That is why The White Pill is inevitable.

Blogger Miguel November 11, 2019 5:58 AM  

Jesus Christ is the Truth and there nothing one can do against it.

Blogger Brett baker November 11, 2019 6:12 AM  

The atheist will tell you they came to Christ's teachings through their own genius, not religion, though.

Blogger The Cooler November 11, 2019 6:27 AM  

Humanists and other assorted atheists want a Christianity sans Christ: we'll keep what 'works' and 'makes sense' because science and then, well, let's just purge the silliness. Or some such.

As smart as all of them believe themselves to be, it never dawns that boats need anchors and castles in the sky lack foundations. Their entire moral nomenclature renders vapid.

These are exceptionally silly people that, like a broken clock, happen to be right twice a day.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 11, 2019 6:33 AM  

The excerpted part is towards the end of the article for those who don't click, the rest of it is some puff but mostly OMB.

Blogger Dos Voltz November 11, 2019 6:33 AM  

Wow, I read the whole article. It turns into a bit of an anti-Trump screed with Cleese saying that our president is "an extraordinary caricature of an asshole..." and goes on to imply much the same about his supporters.

Cleese is unhappy with just about every thing and everybody and comes off sounding himself like the extraordinary asshole.

He spent a lifetime mocking Christ, religion, and his own country and wonders now how it all went to crap. Physician heal thyself.

Blogger Shane Bradman November 11, 2019 6:52 AM  

I liked what Monty Python did with Life of Brian. The biblical setting was the stage for them to tell funny jokes, rather than the joke itself. I don't think Cleese has it in him to convert at his advanced age, but God has a sense of humour so perhaps there's a chance.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 11, 2019 6:58 AM  

Has anyone asked Cleese to fight the "Woke" or our demographic replacements in all their low IQ superstitious glory?

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 11, 2019 6:58 AM  

I was echoing previous comments before I saw them. Nice to know I was on the right track. No need to beat a dead parrot.

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 11, 2019 7:04 AM  

I agree. He’s living outside of the UK now (I think) so when he visits, the change shocks him. He’s probably is still a Remainer, I’d guess. Otherwise his friends would be mean to him.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 11, 2019 7:14 AM  

Cleese has literally described the social media system or environment that breeds gammas.

Blogger Sillon November 11, 2019 7:34 AM  

Cleese will never tell it as it is because that will make him a hypocrite, hence he approximates to the truth missing it by what looks like a meter or two, so he can have plausibility.

Blogger Stilicho November 11, 2019 7:42 AM  

"It's fascinating to observe how philosophers, scientists, and even comedians who reject Christianity keep coming back to its teachings despite themselves."

There is an incredibly powerful video posted at Men Of The West of a Reformed minister talking about Tolkien evangelizing to Lewis. Lewis talks about myths being pretty lies "even though breathed through silver". Tolkien responds that it is true that humans love the myths and fairy tales that have good vs evil, noble self-sacrifice, love, heroism, victory, and life from death. Tolkien admits that the story of Christ has all those elements and could be viewed that way,but Tolkien then says that the story of Christ isn't just another myth, but is the underlying truth to which all the other stories point. That is quite powerful on its own, but Tolkien goes on to point out that we know this is the case via the Resurrection where the "myth" (or I suppose you could also say the platonic form of the good) manifested itself in the physical world and showed mankind that the truth we longed for in stories is real.

It is explained far more eloquently in that video than I have done here. It is profoundly moving on several levels. The truth of Tolkien's explanation hit me like a freight train. Watch the video. It basically explains how many non-christians are drawn to truth and toward the Truth that underlies everything.

Blogger Zaklog the Great November 11, 2019 7:54 AM  

@4 As smart as all of them believe themselves to be, it never dawns that boats need anchors and castles in the sky lack foundations. Their entire moral nomenclature renders vapid.

From Orthodoxy, by G.K. Chesterton

I have another far more solid and central ground for submitting to it as a faith, instead of merely picking up hints from it as a scheme. And that is this: that the Christian Church in its practical relation to my soul is a living teacher, not a dead one. It not only certainly taught me yesterday, but will almost certainly teach me to-morrow. Once I saw suddenly the meaning of the shape of the cross; some day I may see suddenly the meaning of the shape of the mitre. One fine morning I saw why windows were pointed; some fine morning I may see why priests were shaven. Plato has told you a truth; but Plato is dead. Shakespeare has startled you with an image; but Shakespeare will not startle you with any more. But imagine what it would be to live with such men still living, to know that Plato might break out with an original lecture to-morrow, or that at any moment Shakespeare might shatter everything with a single song. The man who lives in contact with what he believes to be a living Church is a man always expecting to meet Plato and Shakespeare to-morrow at breakfast. He is always expecting to see some truth that he has never seen before. There is one only other parallel to this position; and that is the parallel of the life in which we all began. When your father told you, walking about the garden, that bees stung or that roses smelt sweet, you did not talk of taking the best out of his philosophy. When the bees stung you, you did not call it an entertaining coincidence. When the rose smelt sweet you did not say "My father is a rude, barbaric symbol, enshrining (perhaps unconsciously) the deep delicate truths that flowers smell." No: you believed your father, because you had found him to be a living fountain of facts, a thing that really knew more than you; a thing that would tell you truth to-morrow, as well as to-day.

Blogger M Cephas November 11, 2019 8:03 AM  

Contrast that with Ben Shapiro in his latest speech:

"I'm out to make money. I like money".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rdWsOT3bJUU

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 November 11, 2019 8:07 AM  

Brett baker wrote:The atheist will tell you they came to Christ's teachings through their own genius, not religion, though.

If they come to Jesus, they come to Jesus. It doesn't matter how.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 11, 2019 8:46 AM  

Love John Cleese for humor, but wish he'd keep his pie hole shut on politics. In a recent article he said the GE was mentally unbalanced.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 11, 2019 8:53 AM  

@16, Accepting that Jesus was a great teacher who spoke some truths is not accepting Jesus.

Blogger son of a preacher man November 11, 2019 8:56 AM  

"So I think that the greatest problem in the world at the moment is greed."

Don't worry Mr. Cleese collectivists' envy will wipe that out.

Blogger OneWingedShark November 11, 2019 9:02 AM  

Miguel wrote:Jesus Christ is the Truth and there nothing one can do against it.
This is why every knee will bow, and every tongue confess: Jesus Christ is Lord.

Blogger Stilicho November 11, 2019 9:10 AM  

"Love John Cleese for humor, but wish he'd keep his pie hole shut on politics. In a recent article he said the GE was mentally unbalanced."

SJW'S always project

Blogger mushroom November 11, 2019 9:27 AM  

I'm reminded of a great quote from "Justified" -- "If you meet an asshole in the morning, you probably met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Blogger SDaly November 11, 2019 9:39 AM  

The "love of money" is enshrined in law for public corporations. Although the officers and directors of companies often breach their legal duties to the shareholders to enrich themselves, the fiduciary duties that officers and directors owe to shareholders translate into predatory capitalism when applied in real life. Also, if a company is taking decisions that will decrease share price (even if they advance some other worthy goal, like keeping a strong industrial base in the USA), there is no way to prevent another company from purchasing the company and shipping jobs overseas for increased profits.

Blogger andrisf November 11, 2019 9:40 AM  

I wonder about that. It looks to me that there actually is not enough greed, here is what i mean - Jews are greedy beyond comprehension and therefore they work tirelessly for their goal, to own everything and be masters of all, if whites, Christians were much more greedy, they would counterbalance that and would make Jew progress impossible.
It is a great disservice of Christianity to humanity, that Christianity made many people very humble and almost ascetic and often pathologically forgiving and giving, which allowed those who are always greedy to gain such wealth and power.
In a certain sense i can understand words that Christianity is opium for masses, because it truly has been, while people were humble, pious, kept their head down and hoped for the God, Jews became almost like gods in this world.
In no way i am disrespecting Christianity, it has done a lot of good, but it often was used like opium for people, to make them sleep while bad things were happening and that is undeniable fact.

Blogger Gianna November 11, 2019 10:00 AM  

@andrisf
It would be much better for you to stop commenting here, at least for a while. Instead take the pearls that are being offered. Spend your time watching the Tolkien video or read some Chesterton.

Blogger JamesB.BKK November 11, 2019 10:02 AM  

Did John Cleese put down the hammer he used on the foundations of order? If not, it's odd he's complaining about results he helped to achieve. Social media's fine. Just a tool to be used or misused depending on the user.

Blogger andrisf November 11, 2019 10:22 AM  

@25
Is there something specific that i said that you consider to be wrong, or is it just a vague need need of yours to tell other people what to do?

Blogger Ray - SoCal November 11, 2019 10:36 AM  

John Cleese is in favor of Brexit.

https://www.screendaily.com/news/john-cleese-on-brexit-i-dont-want-to-be-run-by-a-bunch-of-european-bureaucrats/5120947.article

He doesn’t want the U.K. run by EU Bureaucrats..

Blogger rondolf November 11, 2019 10:42 AM  

@andrisf
Are you new here?

Blogger The Cooler November 11, 2019 10:44 AM  

The Devil and decadence cast the spells of somnambulance, andrisf. They have nothing to do with Christ; they have nothing to do with Christianity. Quite the contrary.

A nation does not require greed to remain a nation. Ergo, Nationalism.

Blogger Didas Kalos November 11, 2019 10:47 AM  

False religionist's version of Christianity is the opium of the people. Not true Christianity!

Blogger Rabbi B November 11, 2019 11:05 AM  

"There’s a very fine book called Technopoly written by Neil Postman..."

Neil Postman's 'Amusing Ourselves to Death' is also excellent and imho, the better read.


"Is there something specific that i said that you consider to be wrong, or is it just a vague need need of yours to tell other people what to do?"

Someone forgot their helmet again.


Blogger OvergrownHobbit November 11, 2019 11:11 AM  

These men want to live in a Christian world without Christ. Of course it's a doomed project. In their nakedly truthful moments they realize this and one hears "I want to be religious, but I just can't...So how do I...?"

Pray them this week

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 11, 2019 11:12 AM  

It's always heartwarming when multi-millionaires deign to lecture us on just how awful "the love of money" is. Of course, they're not greedy, they deserve everything they've got.

Blogger Steve Samson November 11, 2019 11:17 AM  

^This. Pride is the hardest sin of all to repent of, it won't be easy for them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 11, 2019 11:21 AM  

@27, you learn more by lurking and listening.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 11, 2019 11:43 AM  

@23

"Also, if a company is taking decisions that will decrease share price (even if they advance some other worthy goal"

You mean like Nike, Target and Gillette? Or my personal favorite, the late Eastman Kodak (EK, not the resurrected zombie KODK) firing Rolf Szabo in 2002 for daring to ask to be removed from the gay pride emails, all while ignoring the shareholder interest of responding to the threats of Fuji and digital imagery? They pursued that "worthy goal" all the way from being a stock that was such a blue chip that it was indigo to Chapter 11.

Don't worry about corprate officers and directors doing only things that increase shareholder price, worry about them doing everything other than increasing the shareholder price, because that's where you see the greed.

A couple of months ago, The Business Roundtable had a couple hundred signatories to a letter that promotes your idea. Take a look at the signatories. Do you think these people should be trusted to even IDENTIFY "worthy goals" let alone to use their corporate treasuries to virtue-signal and engage in social engineering?

Corporate executives are by and large the same sort of moral cretins that inhabit the swamp and now they are coming up with elaborate ways to greedily pursue their personal agendas, rather than being good stewards of their corporate treasuries.








Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 11, 2019 11:56 AM  

@24

"In no way i am disrespecting Christianity, it has done a lot of good, but it often was used like opium for people, to make them sleep while bad things were happening and that is undeniable fact."


There's nothing like telling somebody you mean no disrespect and then engaging in it. I'm no particular fan of Thomas Hobbes, but he was right when he wrote life is "nasty, brutish and short"- especially when he wrote it.

Your hackneyed atheist trope is not a fact, no matter how much your leftist indoctrination tells you it is-for most of the last 2,000 years the only force in this world that even tried to mitigate the miseries of life was Christianity. It was Christians that, when they got really serious, built schools and hospitals, while atheists did nothing but complain about imperfection.

Atheism is catnip for idiots.





Blogger spinoza November 11, 2019 1:22 PM  

What a loon, he thinks with the efficiency of trying to cut down a tree with a fish bone or however they wrote it.

Rejecting Christ is what the people of the state (are forced to) do every day by accepting blasphemy against Christ and the father's will. Just don't call it atheism, because everybody knows that doesn't exist. People with Gods kill people and rejecting this truth is to reject reality in favor of fantasy. Theism is all there is. Atheists have gods;

You seek enlightenment, but you're too blind to see
If I told you I was Jesus, would you turn and follow me?
Inside of me, inside of you, the myth of one becoming two
If I spoke of eternity, would you crucify me too?
Why build a shrine to the race of Man?
There's no separation, can't you understand?

I am God, you are God, we are, we are, we are God
I am God, you are God, we are, we are, we are God
Give your Money to me, just give your money to me
'Cause I can set you free, yeah

Look deep within and see the nature of your soul
Expand your mind and feel the essence of the whole
Inside of you, inside of me, free will, responsibility
You must save or damn yourself, no one else can set you free
Why build a shrine to the race of Man?
There's no separation, can't you understand?

I am God, you are God, we are, we are, we are God
I am God, you are God, we are, we are, we are God
Give your Money to me, just give your money to me
'Cause I can set you free, yeah

You cannot build a science to allay despair
There is no atheism, God is everywhere
So will you build a temple to the race of Man?
There is no separation, can't you understand?

I am God, you are God, we are, we are, we are God
I am God, you are God, we are, we are, we are God
Give your Money to me, just give your money to me
'Cause I can set you free, yeah

Blogger Robert What? November 11, 2019 2:46 PM  

In this PC age they could never to MPFC today.

Blogger sammibandit November 11, 2019 3:05 PM  

It was Christians that, when they got really serious, built schools and hospitals, while atheists did nothing but complain about imperfection.

Bears repeating. Some are still in use 1000 years later as military hospitals and training facilities. Anyone who says Christianity is weak, not for the warrior had better get their facts straight.

Blogger mrpinks November 11, 2019 4:25 PM  

Someone in a recent post cited Ricky Gervais as saying (loosely) that if the books of Science and the Bible were burnt, and we started again, people would just observe the same processes and rules recreate one of those books.
He misses the point that it is Christianity and Greek Philosophy that gave us science. It is the presence of the Bible that enables the creation of the sciences.

Blogger C November 11, 2019 4:31 PM  

"Moreover, no matter how intelligent or resourceful a warrior might be, greed is a disease that affects a person every day. Thus, when handling the lord's financial affairs, others need his services constantly, and he handles cash accounts freely, he gradually becomes conceited, shows signs of wanting to lord it over others, and begins to live a life beyond his social status. In this way, without being aware of it, he begins to show favoritism, accounts do not balance out, and he feeds his greed by embezzlement. Eventually, he is found out, and he brings ruin upon himself; this much is certain. Such a person is called 'a thieving official.'"

- Keep a Respectful Distance from the Administration of Financial Affairs, from Budoshoshinshu by Daidoji Yuzan, William Scott Wilson translation.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 11, 2019 6:14 PM  

@41

Yesterday, one of the readings for Catholic Masses was Second Maccabees 7:1-2, 9-14 (if it's not in your Canon, bear with me, I'm going somewhere with this, we can have the argument of canonicity some other time) which detailed the account of seven brothers and their mother arrested by the King and forced to eat pork and how they were willing to be tormented and die, rather than break Mosaic Law.

The homily was given by a visiting priest, who talked about that refusal to indulge in pork as emblematic of people who wouldn't concede the slighest bit to acedia, even when confronted with coercion. He added that when a nation loses its religion, it loses its identity. I had to smile just a little at that, thinking this guy "gets it".

I was reminded of this, attributed to Chesterton:

"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything."

(such as that a 65ish year old former Olympic athlete can be made into a woman)



We aren't just losing our religion, we are selling it at at a disount as the full shopping center parking lot I observed on the way home attested to.

No Christianity isn't for the weak and if we don't practice it with zeal, it will be increasing difficult for our children and their children.


Today, to be overly Christian is to invite the "white martydom" of social opprobrium. I have no doubt that the "no king but Caesar" crowd would like to escalate that to "red martyrdom".

Sometimes it comes from inside, by people who quote Matthew 26:52, but forgot Luke 22:36.








Blogger PH November 12, 2019 12:34 AM  

A few months ago, John Cleese said that London was no longer an English city.

Blogger rumpole5 November 12, 2019 8:21 AM  

Frankly, I'm not even sure what money IS. Once you go beyond a commodity exchange level of a certain known mass of metal, the whole money thing is completely abstract. It is amazing that millions will spend their limited life span, live, kill and die for an abstract concept that exists only in one's mind and that of a critical mass of one's fellows.

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