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Friday, November 15, 2019

Roger Stone guilty on all counts

The verdict is in:
Republican operative Roger Stone was found guilty Friday of all seven counts against him, including witness tampering and making false statements.

Prosecutors portrayed Stone, 67, as a serial liar who tried to bully witnesses into not cooperating with authorities. They charged Stone, a confidant of President Donald Trump, with making false statements, obstruction and witness tampering in a case that was an offshoot of special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.

Stone is the sixth Trump aide or adviser to be convicted of charges brought as part of Mueller's probe.
President Trump had better start handing out presidential pardons soon or no one will stand by him.

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Blogger doctrev November 15, 2019 1:44 PM  

Indictments would be better than pardons. He'll never be able to keep up with all the process crimes the deep state levies against his people, and he'd be stupid to try. Or lynch a few judges and the rest will fall into line.

Either way, the guy's great but I'm not going to put more effort into defending someone than they put into themselves.

Blogger rotekz November 15, 2019 1:54 PM  

Trump just tweeted "So they now convict Roger Stone of lying and want to jail him for many years to come. Well, what about Crooked Hillary, Comey, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Shifty Schiff, Ohr & Nellie, Steele & all of the others, including even Mueller himself? Didn’t they lie?...."
"....A double standard like never seen before in the history of our Country?"

Blogger pyrrhus November 15, 2019 1:57 PM  

As practitioners in the Federal courts have observed, it's gone rapidly from "you can indict a ham sandwich" to you can convict a ham sandwich...but no one is more ignorant about our legal system than the GE...

Blogger Carl B. November 15, 2019 1:58 PM  

Pardons? No, Trump needs to send out the 1st Marine Division and soon, before it too is filled with trannys, soi-bois, and dykes.

Blogger SB71 November 15, 2019 2:01 PM  

No pardon for Assange yet, the man who exposed the corrupt elite and military clusterfuck. He deserves the Medal of Freedom not a cold cell.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2019 2:14 PM  

There are plenty being railroaded, from Proud Boys to Generals. Who has Trump stood by? Anyone?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 15, 2019 2:24 PM  

"President Trump had better start handing out presidential pardons soon or no one will stand by him."

No shit, man. All these loyal supporters getting deplatformed, incarcerated, threatened, and so on. Yet Trump keeps sliding onward atop the skids we greased for him.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 15, 2019 2:31 PM  

They can't get anything to stick to Teflon Don so their next best thing is to lock up his cohorts and sway public opinion to make him look guilty by association.

Blogger CanticBear November 15, 2019 2:32 PM  

I still have hope that trusting the Q plan is wise. I’m sure there is more going on than what we are seeing. Regardless, do not despair! If God is for us, who can be against us?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 15, 2019 2:40 PM  

This is like Russia complaining about the Baltics making measures against the use of Russian but just passively standing by and watching it.

Blogger qualitycontrol November 15, 2019 3:02 PM  

@2. rotekz
The tweet is really bad. Instead of defending the obvious bullshit against his supporters and sticking up for them, Trump talks about crooked democrats. That's hardly news for anyone. Liberals don't care and right wingers don't do anything about it.

Loyalty goes both ways. If Trump can't support and defend his men by using the power he has, he doesn't deserve to rule.

Blogger Glenn November 15, 2019 3:06 PM  

@6 Israel?

Blogger Jake November 15, 2019 3:09 PM  

I called the GE today and told the comment note-taker that the GE must pardon Roger.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 3:13 PM  

We have police standing down as antifa attack Trump supporters in the streets, and if the victim defends himself, the cops swoop in and charge him seven ways to Sunday. Nothing is being done about that. Not even an investigation of the cops.
The street violence would have stopped dead if the president said "instant pardon for people charged for defending themselves".
Did that happen? Nope.
So his long time friend hung out to dry, like his supporters.
Abandoned.
Foresaken.
Oh look all those Hispanics that are flooding in here have better jobs. Yay.

Blogger Rhino Bear November 15, 2019 3:15 PM  

Morale booster!! Trump just hit 50% approval on Rasmussen. If he pardons Stone, it will go even higher. I have a feeling all of this is a big trap. Especially with all the talk of non registered foreign agents. Cernovich has been calling this out for quite a while. Hundreds in washington and the media are paid by foreign countries to push a narrative. Q Admiral Akbar.

Blogger xevious2030 November 15, 2019 3:16 PM  

28 years of judges. 28 years of prosecutors. 28 years of military brass. 28 years of state legislators and executives. If he had launched with Mattis, McMaster, Kelly, Sessions, he would have been sunk playing the game. The game is you attack with government, I attack with government, after 28 years stacking the deck. If we, generic we, had played the game, it would already be over. What is needed is rage. An end of the domestication. A populace which no longer locks the door to their torches and pitchforks. Snapped out of the spell of the spectator. A populace that is mostly rhetorical rather than dialectic. The language of “hate is bad” was never about hate, it was about locking up rage. In the hot and cold, it was about locking up the hot and leaving only the lukewarm or the cold. What happens to Stone is not about Stone. What happens to Trump is not about what happens to Trump. It is about what happens to us. Trump does not stand, and we do not stand, there is correlation. At this point, it is not about deserve, evil attacks good, there is no deserve. It is about separation, the realization that you are not a part of that evil, and that that evil has no place among you. And the rage, at evil trying to force its way anyway as if you are. The separation. Rage is not itself a call to action, but it is an end to the prohibition against action, it allows the end of the cucking. The rage lights the torches, it does not make them march. And when enough are lit, that is when a decision is made. Trump army is not about Trump.

Blogger Rhino Bear November 15, 2019 3:16 PM  

@doctor jeep. Dude. Stop whining. It makes you sound like a faggot.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 3:21 PM  

@9 The same Q that promised us (through interpreters) that Sessions and Mueller were secretly in cahoots to bring down all the real bad guys? LOL

Beyond some LARPing and wish fulfillment based on connecting bits of real info, I've about decided "Trust the plan" is effectively the same as Jordan Peterson telling young men to go back to sleep.

Blogger Rhino Bear November 15, 2019 3:27 PM  

To think that Trump - who literally wrote chapters about revenge - isnt acting behind the scenes is ludicrous to me. Washington has been lawyering up for weeks.

Blogger Ken Prescott November 15, 2019 3:31 PM  

I fail to see why Congress can lie to the people but the people cannot lie to Congress.

Blogger Gregory the Tall November 15, 2019 3:45 PM  

Well done, Jake!

Blogger glueballs November 15, 2019 3:46 PM  

The street violence would have stopped dead if the president said "instant pardon for people charged for defending themselves".

Herr Doktor, the left would laugh uproariously if the President issued that statement. He cannot pardon state or local convictions. The blue state and municipal AGs would charge the defenders and railroad defendants to conviction. You're in a dark place apparently, step away from the keyboard and hope to see you back soon.

Blogger Oswald November 15, 2019 3:47 PM  

I don't think any past president has issued pardons of this kind in his first term. Many people say Ford lost to Carter, because he pardoned Nixon in his first term. Seems to me, those people wanting pardons should be patient. They should have already understood, before getting involved, that pardons of this type (Where their actions or positions are so directly connected to the pardoning power) come at the end of the second term generally. This is the way, I see it.

Blogger Lovekraft November 15, 2019 3:50 PM  

Interesting how Trump stated he's willing to make a deal on DACA after receiving signs from the Supreme Court that it doesn't stand on its legal merits. Does this represent a new phase of the battle?

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 3:51 PM  

If Trump were to pardon Stone now, his opponents would proclaim it as irrefutable evidence of Trump's guilt by association and try to use it to defeat him in 2020. I'm sure all of his advisors are telling him that it would ensure his defeat. Yet, I think Trump's instincts are telling him to pardon Stone. We will see what happens.

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 4:06 PM  

@glueballs, please show us where the presidential pardon power excludes state crimes

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 4:07 PM  

DACA *should* be simple if could pierce the MSM narrative, which even Fox regurgitated. Question is "What about their *parents*? Kids are presumably victims of their parents lawbreaking, but nobody is going to make illegal parents of a DACA minor leave so the parents get everything they wanted! DACA is nothing more than post-birth anchor babies.

Blogger Hammerli 280 November 15, 2019 4:08 PM  

@26: I agree. Stone cannot hope to see a pardon until mid-November 2020. But he should be able to string things out with appeals until then.

As frustrating as the delays are, I'm convinced that Trump is playing a waiting game. If he were to arrest a dozen Dems today, the news would be wiped off the front page by Thanksgiving...then Christmas...then New Year.

No. Trump will hold his fire as long as he can. Expect nothing until January at the earliest, more likely later. I think he will want to let the impeachment effort founder, then mount the counterstroke.

And https://twitter.com/pryerlee/status/1195369451887190017 is interesting. Looks like Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch have obtained information on the scope of illegal Dem surveillance.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 4:14 PM  

Stilicho, I'm sure pardon opponents will suddenly discover a reverence for the 10th Amendment and States Rights.

Blogger thalios November 15, 2019 4:25 PM  

The concernfags are out and about I see. Shut it despair whores.

Blogger Steve Canyon November 15, 2019 4:29 PM  

I sure hope that the behind the scenes stuff results in 2 of theirs going to the gallows for every one of ours they convict.

Blogger The Cooler November 15, 2019 4:31 PM  

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:

The President [...] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a2_2_1s1.html

Blogger Shane Bradman November 15, 2019 4:35 PM  

Our enemies have no issues abusing the legal system. They got Roger Stone, Cardinal Pell and Julian Assange simply because they didn't like them. Abuse the legal system back.

Blogger xevious2030 November 15, 2019 4:42 PM  

"have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States"

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 is where the difference in interpretation comes in. A question that comes up as to, what if a state makes a law just the same as US law. If they are charged by the federal and the state under the different laws, is that twice for the same crime? If there is a pardon by the federal, how does that relate to state prosecution? Which in turn brings into play the question as to which trumps, state of federal law (and decided applicability, such as a pardon does)? Bringing up the point that a law based in the federal is delegated to the federal (see 10th Amendment for comparison), which by definition is not reserved to the states or to the people. Which then has to pass the test of relation to reality. A reality whereby The Prince is relevant. It's all paper. One decade you can't drink (so to speak), as a Constitutional "right," and the rest of the decades you can if you don't live in certain counties/political subdivisions. It's an argument about paper with a Swamp that doesn't care.

Blogger glueballs November 15, 2019 4:46 PM  

@27. Stilicho

Art. II, §2 United States Constitution: The President shall . . . have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Offences against the United States

A quick search will yield SCOTUS decisions this issue. It's that easy, U.S. Presidents can only pardon federal convictions, powers not enumerated left to the states and all you know.

I board an airplane in two hours, I will be in communicado and then sleeping hopefully. Cheers.

Blogger Nate November 15, 2019 4:57 PM  

while unam loathe to admit it... cernovich has nailed this. he notes Epstein was never prosecuted with nearly as aggressively as roger stone was. that tells you everything you need to know about where we are.

Blogger glueballs November 15, 2019 5:01 PM  

@37. Nate

Stone was just another gladiator. Esptein was attached to Caesar's ear. As (((they))) say, 'from your mouth to G_d's ear.'

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 5:04 PM  

If the president is going to hold back on something because of what the media might say, at this point, then that's the cuckservative weakness people were voting against on 2016.
He needs to push the hats out of the office and start doing things in spite of what the media says. Talmudic interpretations of his actions will never be good optics but only a small group of people do that anyway.

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 15, 2019 5:14 PM  

Democrats do what they want.

Republicans suffer as they must.

Blogger JonM November 15, 2019 5:24 PM  

@33: For further evidence, consider that today a Cali judge strong-armed a jury into requiring Dalieden to pay $870,000 in punitive damages to Planned Parenthood. You know, for performing journalism that revealed they sell fetal organs on the open market.

Expect to see the major media outlets and the ACLU rush to defend him on Freedom of the Press grounds any never now.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/court-rules-daleidens-undercover-videos-caused-substantial-harm-to-planned-parenthood-82553

Blogger The Cooler November 15, 2019 5:34 PM  

This applies to everything we're ever going to discuss from here on out, so I'll post it one last time:

There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all (Mario Savio).

Blogger Crew November 15, 2019 5:42 PM  

@26: Yes, the president can only pardon federal crimes.

However, Stone was convicted in a federal court, so that should not be a problem.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 5:50 PM  

Notably we lose in court.
Reminds me of the "Patrician" option. One of our hosts redpills from the past.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov November 15, 2019 5:52 PM  

He threw both Assange and Alex Jones under the bus, I don't expect Trump to help. He hasn't done anything about the tech giants either.

Blogger Azimus November 15, 2019 6:00 PM  

what about... XYZ...Didn’t they lie?..

There are about 1,000 ways to say this better than he did.

Anyway, what about them? He pulls a knife, you pull a gun, he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way!!!

Blogger brbrophy November 15, 2019 6:02 PM  

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Blogger brbrophy November 15, 2019 6:02 PM  

I was on a conference call with the LaRouche PAC last week. They had whistle blower William Binney on. He was saying this would happen because the FBI hid evidence it received disproving the claim that any info Roger Stone received during the 2016 election was from Russia. They compared the download speeds of the info Stone had received to some controls. The conclusion was the download speeds were far too fast to come from anywhere but the east coast of the US.

Blogger mike November 15, 2019 6:06 PM  

Hope for the best, but you had best prepare yourself for the possibility that Q is a complete fraud.

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 6:23 PM  

Yep, I was wrong. Brain fart I suppose. You get in the habit of thinking about something superficially and it leads to stupid mistakes.

Blogger Joe November 15, 2019 7:18 PM  

"I have a feeling all of this is a big trap."

It is. There's a good book on the subject, "The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in U.S. History" by Lee Smith.

Blogger Lovekraft November 15, 2019 7:32 PM  

Wouldn't it be nice if Flynn's case got overturned and somehow connected to Stone's so his was also thrown out

Blogger John Regan November 15, 2019 7:34 PM  

One salient fact here is that this was a D.C. jury. They're swamp creatures. The verdict shows how merciless they are. They think nothing of ruining a man who, whatever his flaws, accomplished a lot. And all on some ill defined "crime" the feds would have a hard time convicting on anywhere else. It's disgusting. Let the pardons flow freely.

Blogger Robert What? November 15, 2019 7:44 PM  

Roger Stone is a political prisoner. Or soon will be if Trump doesn't step up.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 15, 2019 8:11 PM  

Mike, you really shouldn't comment here when you've shown yourself to be nothing more than the autistic yes vote for anyone that pushes unintelligible nonsense in these parts.

Just stop.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 15, 2019 8:14 PM  

Best also be ready for if Q is more correct than any of us could have imagined.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 15, 2019 8:35 PM  

There is some irony here that 'lying to Congress' is a crime yet just about each and every one of them do it daily. Trump should pardon Stone, Managort, Flynn and some others. Hell, he let one of (((them))) of the hook for some atrocious OSHA and other violations at meat packing plant. The aforementioned three would be far more worthy.

Blogger DJT November 15, 2019 8:41 PM  

He won't pardon. He demands loyalty from others but shows none himself. How many people have risked careers and lives for him, only to get doxxed, smeared, and beaten by Antifa with no recourse.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:43 PM  

Good grief.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:45 PM  

And you sound delusional.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:49 PM  

The Ortho he pardoned had a warehouse full of illegals working there and he conned the IRS. .
It was way worse than you even think it was.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:50 PM  

If I were Stone, Manafort, Flynn, or Assange, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

Blogger Silly but True November 15, 2019 9:27 PM  

If you’re Flynn and Manafort, a pardon is not good enough and for Flynn, likely won’t be necessary. If Flynn gets dismissed due to improper predication of investigation, Manafort has good case ahead of him, and maybe Stone as well.

Assange has a tough fight: the swamp actually wants him dead.

Blogger tuberman November 15, 2019 9:56 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:If I were Stone, Manafort, Flynn, or Assange, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

Gen. Flynn will go free without Trump's direct intervention. Manafort is actually guilty, but being punished too harshly. Assange will be okay too. Stone's trial is overreach, but I need to wait for more info on Stone's case. Within the next few weeks everyone involved with Stone's show trial will be outed for their parts.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 15, 2019 10:11 PM  

"Reminds me of the "Patrician" option. One of our hosts redpills from the past."

The personal consequences are of less account if it's kill or be slowly strangled. War is not something to be delayed when it cannot be avoided.

Blogger Vlad Z. November 15, 2019 11:53 PM  

Stone lied to the Trump team and claimed he had a line into Assange. He didn't. He maintained the lie to the Intel committee. And he tried to get his friend to back him up. And it was all in plain text on his machine.

I was surprised Trump has his back, he didn't do any favors for Trump. One whole branch of the narrative - that Trump was coordinating with Assange, was just Stone's lie grown up and walking.

Blogger Roman Daoist November 16, 2019 1:33 AM  

Waiting for one guy to sort out your problems makes you a freeloader. Re-take the institutions by involving yourself in them. Get involved. The Dems own the political-legal-educational-media machine. And that machine is available for new operators if you care to show up.

I've got local elections here (in Aussie-land) in the first half of 2020, and I'm looking into what I need to do to run.

Participate. Directly or by actively supporting those that do. Anyone in your area on the alt-right platform?

Because being 100% right about how crap the world is - achieves what exactly?

Stop being right all the time and go DO something. BE the solution.

Blogger T-Square Bear November 16, 2019 1:40 AM  

Hey mate, what part of Oz are you in? If your east of Melbourne (that is, babylon) let me know.

Blogger mike November 16, 2019 2:55 AM  

I think you have me confused with someone else. Perhaps yourself, given the idiocy of that response

Blogger Jamie-R November 16, 2019 4:08 AM  

Stone is symbolic for Democrats because he is the Nixon Days. They would love to stitch up the Republicans like they did to Nixon and run the deep state, rig the elections, control the opposition with their candidates like they have since those days. Roger Stone has to be pardoned. The difference for Roger Stone in today's world is that he's an outsider to the power players so the Dem deep staters are going after him, they want the optics of Trump pardoning him so they can make him look bad in the press. Stone was too vulnerable as a lone wolf political operative. On the Right a great example of continuing to fend off the Washington Cabal using you as a sacrificial lamb is Erik Prince's working model. They can't touch him. And they rightly fear him.

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 16, 2019 5:31 AM  

JonM wrote:@33: For further evidence, consider that today a Cali judge strong-armed a jury into requiring Dalieden to pay $870,000 in punitive damages to Planned Parenthood. You know, for performing journalism that revealed they sell fetal organs on the open market.

Expect to see the major media outlets and the ACLU rush to defend him on Freedom of the Press grounds any never now.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/court-rules-daleidens-undercover-videos-caused-substantial-harm-to-planned-parenthood-82553


As often as we are accused of terrorist activity against the PP murder chambers, the penalties for exposing them are getting closer to the penalty for physically attacking them. At some point people are going to wonder what they have to lose. I could see, someday, a terminally ill Special Forces guy taking matters into his own hands, then laughing as they sentence him to life since California has no death penalty.

Blogger Weak November 16, 2019 5:46 AM  

This verdict has so many "irregularities" that there is zero chance it holds up on appeal. The appeal process will keep him out of prison while that grinds through.

Should he have to put up with that? Obviously no. But this isn't the final chapter in the Roger Stone saga. It's simply a necessary part of the middle of the story.

Blogger Bultz November 16, 2019 6:16 AM  

Trump is a joke at this point. Farce hearing after farce hearing, associates found guilty on charges that actually debunk the collusion story, and an out of control media still free to attack in whatever way they want, and not worried about if it's a media figure or a 15 year old boy. Oh but how about all those women of color doing so well now, folks? That's the essence of MAGA, people are lying to themselves if they think Trump is going to deliver any swamp draining

All this while Tech giants continue to squeeze the freedom out of internet while intensifying their surveillance despite mountains of concrete proof that they meddle in elections. Blatant v voter fraud (remember the mid terms) just coming and going, with democrats able to delay and delay until postal votes are magically found in the back of someone's car they forgot to drop off. Politics has failed, all people have left now are each other

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 16, 2019 6:40 AM  

Bultz wrote:Trump is a joke at this point.

Please, do tell us more about the who you have in mind who will be more effective.

Blogger wreckage November 16, 2019 7:08 AM  

@73 unless he thinks far better than he writes, I'd really prefer he didn't.
You can whine "politics has failed" all you want, if you're a US citizen and you don't vote you're a traitor to your people and your country. US style "grey" voter fraud only works when voter turnout is low. You hand these people victory year after year for "muh principles!".

Blogger Bultz November 16, 2019 7:26 AM  

What are you even talking about "you're a traitor if you don't vote". Who said I don't vote? I'm just referring to how ineffective and powerless those who are elected truly are. Look at the amount of things they should be acting on fade into memory, while they ignore the abuse and targeted harassment of the people that spent the last 3 years getting them into a position to do something about it. I'm sorry you're a middle aged God Emperor groupie that still inexplicably trusts the plan

Blogger The Lab Manager November 16, 2019 7:29 AM  

Dan in Georgia wrote:Bultz wrote:Trump is a joke at this point.

Please, do tell us more about the who you have in mind who will be more effective.


When I voted for Trump, I did not know whether he would deliver. He has been better than I expected in many ways and certainly better than the last four dopes in office. He certainly served a purpose of showing that neither party cares about stopping mass immigration or reining back the federal government to anything sensible since there are simply to many grifters benefiting from the larges.

Trump has passed less regulation than past administrations and having a pro business president helps. And people like him because he has some patriotism unlike the last dope.

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 16, 2019 7:46 AM  

The Lab Manager wrote:Dan in Georgia wrote:Bultz wrote:Trump is a joke at this point.

Please, do tell us more about the who you have in mind who will be more effective.


When I voted for Trump, I did not know whether he would deliver. He has been better than I expected in many ways and certainly better than the last four dopes in office. He certainly served a purpose of showing that neither party cares about stopping mass immigration or reining back the federal government to anything sensible since there are simply to many grifters benefiting from the larges.

Trump has passed less regulation than past administrations and having a pro business president helps. And people like him because he has some patriotism unlike the last dope.


The swamp hates him. That's what I want to see. Some of the guys here are despair merchants and/or accelerationists. If TGE can drain the swamp and put us back on sound money, maybe the USA can peacefully separate. That's my best outcome.

Blogger Lovekraft November 16, 2019 7:55 AM  

Calm down Bultz, we're all in this together against a common enemy. So what if things don't go all Biblical. I will likely go to my grave lauding Trump as the greatest leader of my time.

Blogger DannyDanger November 16, 2019 8:09 AM  

A suprising ammount of pessimism on this thread... perhaps we need to remember that the information we see is being filtered through many channels. Maybe the GE knows something we don't - I am not ready to write him off considering the current attacks he is experiencing - let's pray for God to grant him wisdom and direction and quit being negative little bitches

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 16, 2019 8:13 AM  

Who does Trump stand by? Trump is standing by his military.

He does stand by his supporters, but that's not you and I, nor is it Stone and Flynn. This tells us a lot about the future he envisions.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 16, 2019 8:27 AM  

@76 The Lab Manager:

"Trump has passed less regulation than past administrations...."

It's much better than that. At the beginning of his administration, he and the Republican Congress used a little used law to repeal huge swathes of them. Not just the ones enacted in the ending days of the Obama administration, but due to a little obeyed requirement for the regulators to officially inform Congress about new ones, the clock hadn't started ticking on a huge set of old ones.

And I'm now getting a kick when I read swamp headlines "X agency is no longer using *Science!!!* to make regulations." While most modern economies are enjoying a sugar high of the central bankers running the printing presses, getting Obama's boot off the neck of US industry has done a great deal of good. Turns out you can drill your way out of a lack of oil, we just for the first time since record keeping started in 1978 (thanks, Jimmy Carter) had a month where we were a net exporter again.

Blogger Silly but True November 16, 2019 8:42 AM  

To most recent, we can add a few more of his pardoned:
Joe Arpaio
Kristian Saucier (sub photos)
Scooter Libby (actually committed no crime)
Dinesh
Hammond Sr. & Jr. (wildlife refuge standoff)
Behenna (another in army convicted of killing terrorist), also sentences fully commuted

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 9:32 AM  

@OC

"He does stand by his supporters, but that's not you and I, nor is it Stone and Flynn. This tells us a lot about the future he envisions." BS

As I said, Gen. Flynn will walk without apparent direct intervention by Trump. It's better that way. His newer lawyers are not an accident, and they are very, very good.

As for Stone, I think Vlad Z is correct about Stone, but will have to double check. First, he was set up with a DC venue, or a kangaroo court. Yet Stone was a Nixon operative, and Nixon was Deep State. Look into "Operation Paperclip," which Nixon was a major player. Stone will likely get off due to the nature of his trial, but this trial will out some players on the Lefts DS side, and perhaps even some fake Right. Not suggesting Stone is fake Right, but this is all going to get much deeper looks by the autists.

Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 9:39 AM  

82. Silly but True

Yes, on point, thanks. But those who gloss over the facts, constantly, have an agenda, and it's not Right.

Blogger Boomer55 November 16, 2019 9:45 AM  

I'm not a lawyer, but I know some things about juries. You have to act a little dumb, and ONLY make decisions on the evidence admitted by a judge. So you are at the mercy of the judge's integrity or corruption. I'm sure this is why there are appeals and panels of judges in higher level appeals.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 16, 2019 9:49 AM  

@83 tuberman:

"Nixon was Deep State. Look into "Operation Paperclip," which Nixon was a major player."

The Official Story has Nixon, formerly a practicing white shoe lawyer before becoming a naval officer, doing contract work pertaining to winding down the war effort starting January 1945 and lasting till March of the next year. Before that he was an administrative officer in California, and before that he did that sort of thing on tiny islands in the Pacific, don't know when he went back to the US. As the same time he was doing contracts work, he was drafted to beat a pinko Democratic Congressman.

If he was really a "secret agent" during this period, he was a lot more interesting than I realized.

Blogger Boomer55 November 16, 2019 9:50 AM  

79 @Danny Danger
Right! If Q is even half right, GE is battling baby sacrificing Moloch worshippers peppered throughout the administrative state. I don't expect this to be played at face value.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 16, 2019 10:04 AM  

@83 tuberman, you may well be right about Flynn and Stone. That doesn't change the fact that Trump is quietly standing up for his military. Proud Boys? Never. Trump knows who he's going to have to rely on, and it's not the Brown Shirts or the Nationalist mobs. Trump sees a future in which he needs the military standing by him.

Trump is quietly standing by his military. The important stuff Trump does quietly. Shutting down DACA, for example.

Blogger Boomer55 November 16, 2019 10:11 AM  

@88
I remember seeing some youtube video of a guy claiming insider information, I think he was on Infowars, back in September 2016? He basically claimed there was a coup attempt by some Executive Branch agencies, and then a counter coup by the Military branches, military intelligence agencies.

It's as good an explanation as any for "normies" to make sense of the US government today.

Blogger R Devere November 16, 2019 10:27 AM  

Pardon for Roger Stone?

He's hardly the innocent "Christian soldier" laboring on behalf of Trump.

Everyone here seems to have forgotten or overlooks or doesn't know, that Stone (by his own choice) had his fingers in the NEXIVM pie, a rather nasty and large, international sex and child trafficking endeavor, tied in with Epstein!

So, if Trump now pardons him, the MSM can "all of a sudden", go there and tie Trump to Epstein, regardless of the fakery involved!

Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 10:31 AM  

86. Karhu

Here's something to consider about Nixon. I don't think Nixon was a particularly bad guy. I was a 'blue-collar democrat" during his time in office, but with reservations, but I thought something was off about his being forced from office. Much ado about very little, so why did R's go to him and recommend he resign? I didn't like him then, but thought this was bad for the country.

Lately, there has been speculation that what was being sought in the Watergate burglary was far more than DNC plans. It was proof of Pedo activity by some major players. Now, I don't think Nixon was a perv, so he could have used that info for blackmail power, and this would have reached beyond DNC players to Pedos on the RNC side. So both sides had to remove him.

Just speculation, but it 's likely that something in the burglary was far more important than what was reported. And, given what we understand today...?

Blogger Stilicho November 16, 2019 10:35 AM  

@boomer55: I happen to know a lot about juries and what you said only holds true for white jurors who follow the law. Diverse jurors decide cases based on tribal loyalty. The judge does have broad discretion in what evidence he allows jurors to see, so he can (and does) put his finger on the scales of justice. Some judges press down harder than others.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 16, 2019 10:46 AM  

@91 tuberman, OK, but what about your claim of Nixon's involvement in Operation Paperclip, spiriting German STEM men from the ruins of Nazi Germany to work in the US, most notably Wernher von Braun and his V2 team?

As for the real reason behind the Watergate break-in, I thought the most accepted revisionist theory was that John Dean engineered it because of concern the Democrats had kompromat on his soon to be wife, and that his testimony contradicting Nixon's narrative was key in taking down the latter. But I'd be willing to believe something more sinister.

Blogger CF Neal November 16, 2019 10:48 AM  

Yes, Nixon was a flawed man, as are we all.

BUT ...

He made many enemies by pursuing Alger Hiss & other communist agents. I've been under the impression that was what the amateurish efforts of the ad hoc off-books burglary team were looking for.
And now that I'm more informed as to the globalist's methods, this very likely would have included such PEDO &c. evidence.

God save the Republic!

Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 10:51 AM  

88. Ominous Cowherd

Yes, You're correct about the Proud Boys and the Military.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2019 11:03 AM  

@91 Here's something to consider about Nixon...

Here is something more to consider about Nixon. After he finished law school in California, he went to the east coast and tried to get into one or another of the high status law firms. He got no job and believed he was unfairly excluded because he wasn't part of the eastern elite. The Harvard Establishment, to put it that way.

Whether or not he was in the Deep State, he never considered himself part of the in crowd. Rather the people at the top were an enemy that he was overcoming. As President, he tended to view the rest of Washington as an enemy. His most ruthless efforts were directed against what we are now calling the Deep State, which for Nixon would be more appropriately called the Washington Establishment. Not the rank and file, but the leadership.

Like Trump and like Andrew Jackson, he was an outsider in the capital, or viewed himself as such.

Blogger Lovekraft November 16, 2019 11:05 AM  

Because of how Obama was given a virtual free pass to corrupt multiple levels of government and receive limited to zero scrutiny by the media, there is no other conclusion to reach than the judiciary has reached banana republic status

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 16, 2019 11:13 AM  

One other interpretation I recently came across about the final rise and fall of Nixon is that as a Quaker he was "hired" to get us out of the Vietnam War, and after that was dispensable. As the treatment of Goldwater in 1964 showed, by that time Republicans were automatically criminals, Snopes recently confirmed for us in their nitpicking way that the Democrats tried to impeach every *elected* Republican starting with Nixon (they pointed out Gerald Ford didn't get this treatment, I note previously he was the House Minority Leader for 9 terms, that is, a swamp creature).

And @96 Johnny is correct, he was always an outsider, and loathed by all his betters for his *effective* anti-Communism. The same was to a degree true for Reagan, the Bushes are another matter.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 16, 2019 11:14 AM  

@97 Lovekraft, if I remember correctly, convicting Republicans for being Republicans with D.C. or Alexandria, Virginia juries has long been the MO of the Deep State, preceding Obama.

Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 11:17 AM  

93. Karhu

"As for the real reason behind the Watergate break-in, I thought the most accepted revisionist theory was that John Dean engineered it because of concern the Democrats had kompromat on his soon to be wife, and that his testimony contradicting Nixon's narrative was key in taking down the latter."

All these theories, including the Dean one, fit into the pasts view of reality. You know, before we knew about all the trafficking, Epstein, the tunnels under the Playboy mansion, and tons of Pedo blackmail.

If you desire to believe in the 1970's version of reality, be my guest. I heard about paperclip with Nixon's involvement months ago, and didn't save the sources, not likely to be easily available. So, perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm not. Believe as you like.

Blogger Rajadog20 November 16, 2019 11:34 AM  

Stone expended all of his life savings on this case.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling November 16, 2019 12:09 PM  

@101 Rajadog20, Trump's a billionaire.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 16, 2019 12:18 PM  

@102 Karhu, Flynn and Stone have both gone broke, right? The process is the punishment. Perhaps Trump will quietly make them financially whole later, but he hasn't yet.

Unless tuberman is right about Flynn walking without a pardon, he's still a felon, regardless of financial status, unless Trump pardons him. I think tuberman could be too optimistic about justice being done, because who-whom, but the Trump administration has had a lot of firsts: this could be another.

Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 12:51 PM  

Sidney Powell is Gen. Flynn's current attorney, and much better for his case then his former attorneys, which used up all of his money. How did this happen? Please tell me your Narrative approved ideas.

Blogger Crew November 16, 2019 1:24 PM  

I think Trump will do something:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/breaking-president-trump-grants-clemency-to-2-army-officers-accused-of-war-crimes-and-restores-navy-seal-eddie-gallaghers-rank/

Blogger tuberman November 16, 2019 1:50 PM  

The position of Corrupt Judge Amy Berman Jackson's court is already being pulled apart. She did not allow evidence that would have contradicted the whole premise for Stone's trial.Gateway Pundit.

This is how they operate of course, just like the prosecutors withholding exculpatory evidence from Gen. Flynn's trial, but the Judge not allowing it this time.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 16, 2019 2:31 PM  

Crew, Trump is doing a lot, and a lot of it is what we want.

Blogger Silly but True November 16, 2019 5:29 PM  

@tuberman:
Flynn’s former counsel is of course to blame: they were Flynn Group’s counsel which prepared Flynn’s FARA at fault in Kian/Alptein’s Turkey FARA case, they remained Flynn’s counsel while they knew they had conflict when FARA was issue, they served as witnesses for prosecution in Alptekin case.

They were conflicted and consequently pushed idea that guilty plea to felony he didn’t commit but no jail time was in best interests of their client.

Like all long relationships, Flynn believed them until it was clear they were also part of railroad job.

Blogger Crew November 16, 2019 6:15 PM  

I think the legal situations with Stone and Flynn have to play out to their conclusions (including appeals) before Trump can step in and rectify any miscarriage of justice.

Blogger Macs November 16, 2019 7:14 PM  

That's exactly why the Dems and RHINOs are going to string-out the "impeachment" process as long as they can: the best defense is good offense.

Blogger Roman Daoist November 16, 2019 9:00 PM  

67. JonT

Brisbane.

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