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Friday, November 15, 2019

The end of the civic nationalist

All of us have heard conservatives - piously or smugly as the case may be - signal their virtue by pontificating about how [insert minority here] is a Fine American because he supports Conservative Values and how said conservative would rather live surrounded by Fine [insert minority here] Americans than white liberals. And while there is a certain logic to that position, the problem is that it is based on an entirely false assumption, which is that Fine [insert minority here] Americans vote according to their expressed ideological values.

And to say they do not do so is putting it mildly. Here is how black conservatives actually voted in 2016.


In other words, even if a black individual describes himself as a conservative, firmly believes in God, views homosexual relations as sinful, opposes affirmative action, thinks income taxes are too high, and is pro-life, there is still a 96.2 chance that he will vote Democrat. More or less the same identity-first behavior holds true for other minority groups.

Identity always trumps ideology for anyone who actually possesses an identity. Which, of course, is why Americans have been methodically stripped of their sense of identity for the last 100 years.

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Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 15, 2019 8:07 AM  

I'm sure the underlit unicorns will come around when they see the great black unemployment numbers.

Blogger Nation-Deprived November 15, 2019 8:09 AM  

*Shapiru writhes in his sheets*

Blogger FrankNorman November 15, 2019 8:11 AM  

So... it doesn't matter what they believe on the moral values, they will still vote Blue because...?
Would it be Welfare?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 15, 2019 8:17 AM  

This will trigger Cerno to retweet Charlie Kirk which will at least give me a laugh.

Blogger VD November 15, 2019 8:17 AM  

So... it doesn't matter what they believe on the moral values, they will still vote Blue because...?

What part of "identity" do you find hard to understand?

Would it be Welfare?

No. I repeat. What part of "identity" do you find hard to understand? The Homo Economicus model is intrinsically false. Man is not a rational creature, he is a rationalizing one.

Blogger David November 15, 2019 8:18 AM  

Yeah, but we can make up the difference with quantity, right?

Blogger Silent Draco November 15, 2019 8:18 AM  

Though experiment for the civic nationalist. Identify as a border collie. Now, what do you wish to be surrounded by?

1. Liberal white sheep
2.[designated identity] wolves

Blogger New Creation November 15, 2019 8:19 AM  

It's because values don't matter when someone's a 'racist'.

Blogger Tars Tarkas November 15, 2019 8:19 AM  

Clarence Thomas almost never speaks in the courtroom. But recently, he did speak up. It was during a case about race. I'm pretty sure he said he voted for Obama as well.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 15, 2019 8:21 AM  

NA[x]ALT is an open admission that most, in fact, are. It is an open admission that stereotypes are both the aggregate of anecdote (AKA data) and valid. Argument by (false, as we see here) exception is a signal that the argument is DOA.

Times of absurdity must apparently be accompanied by phenomenal mental contortions, because without them the absurd simply couldn't exist.

South Africa's fate was certain by the time blacks outnumbered whites by 9 to 1. My "tribe" is reportedly 7% of the world's population, so globalism (a globe-spanning political economy) is literal doom.

Borders now. Borders within borders within borders....

Blogger dc.sunsets November 15, 2019 8:26 AM  

he is a rationalizing one

Truer words were never spoken, but each man is the hero in his own mind's diorama. Each man fancies himself rational, logical, reasoning and dispassionate. Oh, the lies we tell ourselves...about ourselves.

History cycles because it is driven by laws of nature, specifically those governing human nature, which is a direct product of our biology. Mankind can no more escape these cycles than a tiger can change its stripes. Individuals can occasionally demonstrate reason; groups of people never do.

Blogger The Cooler November 15, 2019 8:29 AM  

Insanity in individuals is something rare -- but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule (Nietzsche).

Blogger Salt November 15, 2019 8:38 AM  

"have been methodically stripped of their sense of identity for the last 100 years."

For many it was to be replaced with a bill of sale. Minority groups have been owned by the Left since, at minimum, the mid 60s. One can say whatever one wants but, when it comes down to it, the contract shall be upheld. That is what Conservatism conserved.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov November 15, 2019 8:44 AM  

Minorities will always vote for their own identity if given a chance. But they will vote white in preference to other minorities not their own. That's why the top five Democrat candidates polling wise are all white.

Blogger Dole November 15, 2019 8:45 AM  

The conservatives have now been refuted on all conceivable fronts. They can not even conserve their own pants when called a racist.

The day when they can not conserve even their own supporters is nearing.

Blogger Nobody of Consequence November 15, 2019 9:01 AM  

Destruction of identity was why the Pledge of Allegiance was written and why it was forced on the ignorants. Your State is hour nation. Always has been. If you simply studied the framing of the Constitution, you would have learned that the Framers were NOT making a new nation and so REMOVED all references to the USA as a nation. All references in the Constitution are to a plural States.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 15, 2019 9:04 AM  

@9 Tars, yes, pick your favorite black conservative and search for his name with Obama's and you'll probably find him saying he voted for Obama or supported him in various ways.

These numbers are even worse than the 8% Trump got from blacks overall. That tells me that black conservatives not only voted on identity, but were the NeverTrump, Conservative Inc. types who voted against Trump for those reasons as well.

Blogger Brett baker November 15, 2019 9:17 AM  

They're the ones who've done well under GloboHomo.

Blogger Monotonous Languor November 15, 2019 9:31 AM  

Regardless of this data, I'd be greatly surprised if today's average conservative and/or MPAI white person could ever give up 'muh principles'. The guilt runs deep, dontcha know, and after years of brainwashing, it's more comfortable to wallow in it than get rid of it.

Blogger Ferdinand November 15, 2019 9:39 AM  

They also try the same thing in Europe, trying to strip away national identity. Even politicians on the "far right" constantly preach about "our values", not about culture or identity, and "our values" can of course be shared by every African or Arab in the world, or not, they don't really care. Macron, Merkel and all the rest all spew the same ideology, and with that in mind, they don't see a reason why their countries should even govern themselves. All countries in Europe have the same ideology after all, why not just make a superstate?

Blogger David Ray Milton November 15, 2019 9:41 AM  

Candace Owens is fixing those whole problem by giving away a ton of MAGA hats.

Blogger tublecane November 15, 2019 9:46 AM  

The argument for supporting Gud 'Murican Minorities, far as it goes, at least makes some sense when the main struggle is intra-ethnic. Between different kinds of Heritage Americans preferably, or at least between different strains of Northwest Europeans in America for several generations. Because in that case it's like moving pawns around the chessboard. Though let us never lose sight that white America was never of a piece, and never could be, identity-wise.

However, the dispossession of the majority population has been obvious for decades. If you're not talking Token Conservatives like Ben Carson, you're talking out of your bottom.

I've heard first-generation immigrants complain about their spoiled brat children. Who aren't exactly Americans but have been Americanized to an extent in the bad sense. However, I have never gotten the idea the older generation prefers other recent-immigrant groups of alien races to their offspring. And the children definitely don't identify with homegrown whites, except superficially. Why would they?

Expecting them to be on your side over your white neighbor who's foolish enough to have voted for Hillary is more foolish than voting for Hillary.

Blogger sammibandit November 15, 2019 9:46 AM  

The flip side is that if one chooses they can vote on identity even if they were once a white liberal.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 9:54 AM  

When Trump touts Hispanic employment, he does not see what I see at the polling place.
And that is, the same as before: the goblinas with their gpblina mothers in tow, neither speaking a word of English, to vote. The difference is they arrive in a new car.
Let Trump be the last civnat as well as the last boomer president. We can't handle any more of this.

Blogger Beethoven Math November 15, 2019 9:56 AM  

In other words, even if a black individual describes himself as a conservative, firmly believes in God, views homosexual relations as sinful, opposes affirmative action, thinks income taxes are too high, and is pro-life, there is still a 96.2 chance that he will vote Democrat.

Am I the only one that loves this type of math-reasoning? The burning-Amazon post last month was like music.

Blogger rumpole5 November 15, 2019 9:58 AM  

Light skinned Americans have identity issues because from Teddy Roosevelt on we were subjected to a great deal of societal and government shaming and propaganda designed to strip us of our regional and European identities and impose an American Nationalist identity. In the 60s this approach was abandoned and certain groubs were encouraged to pursue their Asian, Hispanic, and Black identities. We "whites" would probably be better off reassuming our respective regional and European identities so that we could better bargain for the best deals for our real identities within the Federal system. This works pretty well for the Swiss, and they don't even speak the same languages.

Blogger Barbarossa November 15, 2019 9:58 AM  

Identity always trumps ideology for anyone who actually possesses an identity.

This cannot be repeated often enough. I was at a civil affairs conference in Baghdad and some State Department moron was bemoaning the fact that Iraqi elections were basically just an inefficient census keyed off the identity of the candidates. My comment to him was something to the effect: "Do you really think a Sunni is going to vote for a Shia candidate because the Shia has advanced a very sensible marginal tax rate reform proposal?" And the thing was...yes, the State Department moron thought the Sunni should do exactly that.

Also, there was a very spot-on SNL skit on exactly this point during the Obama years. The black respondents had all sorts of "conservative" responses including "I ain't ever gonna vote for no atheist!" and when pressed as to who they'd vote for? The black guy.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2019 10:08 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:These numbers are even worse than the 8% Trump got from blacks overall.

Makes me wonder what percentage of a group with an average IQ of 85 would accidentally vote for the wrong candidate. Do you suppose it's 8%?

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 10:09 AM  

One of the earliest memes on this topic:
"What do you mean 'we',white man?"

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 15, 2019 10:13 AM  

People follow their tribal movements. For every, 'true Vulcan' like John Wright, there's apparently twenty five or so people who act like the rest of humanity and follow their crowd.

Few vote their conscience except for those West of the Hajnal line. Most everyone else follows they're tribe.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 10:14 AM  

I always thought that the obvious path to a more realistic world view for civ-nats, short of full blown nationalism, would be just rubbing their noses in the fact that, yes, there may be another proto-Clarence Thomas or equivalent in another group, its fully possible -- but simple observation shows its extremely unlikely and they will be few and far between. But most seem utterly impervious. Can't quite tell how much is deeply rooted indoctrination vs "at some level knows better but is whistling past the graveyard".

Blogger J.M. November 15, 2019 10:15 AM  

In this case is more like "Identity trumps common sense and basic reasoning", just proving the fact that most blacks in fact are neither Christian nor coherent. They are pagans at heart, specially since the great purges our people was subjected to were never applied to them.

If "identity trumps ideology" was such an intractable feature, Christianism would have never spread beyond a few rebel Jews.

Blogger D Zniger November 15, 2019 10:17 AM  

Terrifying. The same truth can be applied to migrants in Europe. First they vote for established parties on the left spectrum and now they are slowly rolling out their own muslim parties. Will be a hard process to say goodbye to all the indoctrination from school and welcome identity politics.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 10:19 AM  

@28 As Kanye IIRC said about Trump, "Black people love a boss." That appeal versus harpy Hillary probably was worth a couple percent.

Blogger freddie_mac November 15, 2019 10:22 AM  

@26 rumpole5
We "whites" would probably be better off reassuming our respective regional and European identities so that we could better bargain for the best deals for our real identities within the Federal system.

You, you hater! You white nationalist! You racist!

/sarc (as if that was needed) But that's exactly why our identities have been stripped away.

Blogger tublecane November 15, 2019 10:22 AM  

@27- To be fair, there is such a thing as a race-traitor. Abolitionist Southerners plotting slave insurrection, it terrorist Wobblies trying to grind the gears of industry to a halt in the name of some form of anarchism. For them, their identity isn't as important.

These people are not very numerous, but they can be dangerous.

Blogger linesy November 15, 2019 10:22 AM  

LBJ was bang on. How much of those 200 years are left?

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 10:23 AM  

One would wonder why white women have not been driven out of the left at this point.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2019 10:24 AM  

Newscaper312 wrote:@28 As Kanye IIRC said about Trump, "Black people love a boss." That appeal versus harpy Hillary probably was worth a couple percent.

Love a boss, and hate a bossy woman.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 10:24 AM  

@32 "If "identity trumps ideology" was such an intractable feature, Christianism would have never spread beyond a few rebel Jews."

I've long seen that where Christianity and Islam are both universal in scope, the biggest purely practical difference is how each views non-believers: the latter more sees enemy while the former more sees potential converts we want to help by sharing the Good News.

Blogger Dos Voltz November 15, 2019 10:27 AM  

Good Lord, it's worse than I thought. Thanks for the eye-opener. I would've suspected identity to be remain most prominent, but maybe something like 75/25. But 96/4?!

This is a useful metric for the HBD types who measure in-group and out-group behaviors and attitudes.

These graphs indicate that the very notions of "in-group" and "out-group" are viable only for tribe or race; certainly not for "idealogues" or "civic-nationalists."



Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 10:28 AM  

@39 "and hate a bossy woman"

Which is why fast food places w a black crew and a black female manager almost uniformly suck.

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 15, 2019 10:29 AM  

I'm old enough to remember when all tribes in America were encouraged officially anyway to conform to the American tribe.

I can even tell you what that tribe looked like. White, Christian, patriotic, white picket fence and strive to be like the well-mannered and productive members of society.

I was a Civic nationalist in the Sailer sense of the term, I recognized that there were basically three, 'native' populations, red white and black and they were different but entitled to be considered 'legacy' Americans. If we just could focus on those groups we would be better off etc.

Now, I can't see how that will ever work again. Too many foreigners considered 'Real Americans' and no mechanism to purge the system. If The son of a philandering African Marxist who chose violent anti-American leftist terrorists as his role models can be considered a native born American that idea is dead. Non-starter from the get go.

I fear what comes next the greatest generation and the boomers killed the America I was born to. What will come will never be as good as 90% white Christian America with 200 million people.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 15, 2019 10:31 AM  

Makes me wonder what percentage of a group with an average IQ of 85 would accidentally vote for the wrong candidate. Do you suppose it's 8%?

I'd guess it's about half that. Trump got 4% of black women and 13% of black men. Most of the women were probably accidents, so figure about the same percentage of accidents from the men, which leaves another batch of black men who liked Trump's swagger enough to vote for him over a nagging woman.

So if anyone wants to do MAGA black outreach (I wouldn't bother), he should focus on low-information Kanye fans who don't follow politics, because they're more available than Candace Owens followers.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 10:37 AM  

@43 My progression is similar. I've been willing toe see the blacks as our national cross to bear to a certain extent. With no affirmative action or more destructive aspects of welfare or Section 8 or crosstown busing or 'disparate impact', etc, and freedom of association and tough law enforcement, it was a manageable problem at 13% of the population. Think the 1930s-50s minus some of Jim Crow.
But the additional 3rd world flood destroys that uneasy equilibrium.

Blogger ace November 15, 2019 10:42 AM  

I admit I used to buy into all the civnat stuff in my 20s. It produced a lot of cognitive dissonance and left me unable to understand or anticipate events. Very frustrating.

Blogger sammibandit November 15, 2019 10:42 AM  

One would wonder why white women have not been driven out of the left at this point.

I'll be brief as possible. There's growing resentment among white feminists against the trans lobby because at it's core trans identified men, aka transwomen, are fetishists who think whammen are an amalgam of consumables. Lots of these women are openly calling themselves alt right on this single issue. Whether this group is big enough to have a significant effect is something above my pay grade. Turns out lesbians actually don't like dickgirls.

Blogger The Cooler November 15, 2019 10:48 AM  

What will come will never be as good as 90% white Christian America with 200 million people.

A 80% white Christian America with 30 million people sounds pretty damn great to me.

Blogger Dos Voltz November 15, 2019 10:49 AM  

I remember seeing a very powerful cartoon on this site many months ago. A bow-tied white-man stick figure of the conservative/libertarian variety, happily wanting to explain the wonders of limited government to a few brownish stick figures. But a darker stick figure says "fuck him, vote for me, and you can have all his stuff."

The truth and reality of that one comic settled into my brain and it was like 40 years and 100,000 digested pages of the thoughts of the American founders, Rothbard, Rand, et al evaporating instantly in a puff of smoke.

A very tiny, pathetic, and meaningless puff of smoke.

Blogger Barbarossa November 15, 2019 10:52 AM  

@36 Absolutely no doubt that there are identities and then there are identities within identities within identities. Your example of Southern abolitionists is a really good one. For said individuals, their identification to their religious sensibilities (let us charitably assume that was what animated them, but an aversion to the semi-aristocratic plantation system could be an equally good reason) trumped any notions of solidarity with their fellow southerners.

However, what the data VD presented shows is that all other considerations are being subsumed by their racial identity. It's the entire crux of the Democrats' "what's wrong with Kansas?" argument from some time ago only in reverse. If liberals couldn't buy Kansan votes with a welfare check, why do "conservatives" think they can buy off blacks with a "Will ya look at that unemployment rate, my shizzle? Think how much bling you can buy with all that economic prosperity for all your baby mommas and shorties."

Blogger VD November 15, 2019 11:00 AM  

In this case is more like "Identity trumps common sense and basic reasoning", just proving the fact that most blacks in fact are neither Christian nor coherent.

No, you quite clearly didn't read the article or understand it. Also, religion is not ideology.

Blogger thechortling November 15, 2019 11:08 AM  

the NFL is celebrating diversity after the helmet strike yesterday. the stuffy commentators are horrified and calling the helmet strike "most violent act evah" in NFL history. The general public aligned with the striking player is pawning it off as "nothing to see here". this game is "always violent".

Blogger Esmar Tuek November 15, 2019 11:12 AM  

Just spat my drink everywhere

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 11:16 AM  

>LBJ was bang on. How much of those 200 years are left?<

About 500

Blogger Ledford Ledford November 15, 2019 11:23 AM  

The only ideological or "branding" appeal that might peal black votes from the Democrats:
Democrats are gay.
If you vote Democrat, you're gay.

Blogger spinoza November 15, 2019 11:29 AM  

thechortling wrote:the NFL is celebrating diversity after the helmet strike yesterday. the stuffy commentators are horrified and calling the helmet strike "most violent act evah" in NFL history. The general public aligned with the striking player is pawning it off as "nothing to see here". this game is "always violent".
Judging how there appeared to be an attempt to strip the helmet of the black player first in a decided game, and that the sac was weird, I mean he got there but then hesitated... I think they will be compensated for putting on this performance and it was a great success.

Blogger thechortling November 15, 2019 11:36 AM  

@56

indeed. it's an example of how completely out of touch the patrician class is with the lower end of the plebes and who aligns to which gladiators. think how much more pronounced this disconnect is in the upper echelons of the ruling class playing verbal footsies on CNN this week.

Blogger Tars Tarkas November 15, 2019 11:36 AM  

Not only all this, but nobody has mentioned how much blacks think about being black. It's the same thing with Jews, only with Jews it's just dialed up to 11. This stuff starts early on. It's a central feature of their lives. There is no way to undo that in most people. People are almost always going to vote with their identity.

Though I've been red-pilled about race my whole life, I've also always had a problem thinking of blacks as not Americans. That civnattery gets pushed into our heads when we still believe in Santa. This is primary reason why home-schooling is so important. Because the schools are not only pushing the civnat stuff, but now the LGBT and white man evil stuff.

Blogger Esmar Tuek November 15, 2019 11:40 AM  

That meme of the native Americans welcoming European settlers, with one saying something like " these seem friendly, I'm sure they're here to assimilate" works better than any argument against immigration

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 11:40 AM  

The results are quite enlightening. Now do "conservative hispanics" and "conservative jews". The noun trumps the adjective as a means of classification and a predictor of behavior.

Similarly, the hyphenated "Americans" cannot be reasonably classified as Americans and will act in accord with the primary identifier (see also, judeo-Christian).

Blogger Nate November 15, 2019 11:43 AM  

remember though... the Dems have to win the black vote by almost 96% to win national elections. If the GOP can carve off just a few more points... the Dems will literally never win another national election

Blogger Warunicorn November 15, 2019 11:45 AM  

"Conservatives" and conservatism conserve nothing. That much I learned over these past few years.

Also, people are going absolutely crazy or we wouldn't have men believing they're women and everyone f*cking celebrating it.

Blogger Troushers November 15, 2019 11:50 AM  

My wife was left-wing by inherent sympathy, but my good example has dragged her, kicking and screaming, to the right. I bear no illusions that, if I were dead in a ditch tomorrow, by the end of the week she'd be voting for socialists again. She's a second generation immigrant.

I asked her once WHY she and her mother voted that way. She couldn't explain, except for in vague generalities like "party X is racist" and "everyone knows Y will give out benefits". It didn't matter what the opposition did, they could be putting up minorities and bending over backwards to pander to these demographics, but they would always be the racist benefit-reducers and be voted against accordingly.

If you actually challenge her ie. what evidence do you have they are racist? there is no there, there. Vague feelings, misremembered anecdotes, appeals to the crowd: "everyone knows".

Pandering always fails, because it is a sign of weakness, and seen as a confession of guilt.

Blogger Ghost of Nathan Bedford Forrest November 15, 2019 11:51 AM  

Muh...magic dirt..says the conservative inc. bow tied cuck. Nonsense. This graph is yet another example. Identity is destiny. It’s insane we have enabled these clowns to lead us. No more. It’s past time to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard. Deus vult!

Blogger spinoza November 15, 2019 11:52 AM  

thechortling wrote:@56

indeed. it's an example of how completely out of touch the patrician class is with the lower end of the plebes and who aligns to which gladiators. think how much more pronounced this disconnect is in the upper echelons of the ruling class playing verbal footsies on CNN this week.
Because people who use one word anathemas to describe copy are certainly not a rulling class?

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 15, 2019 12:03 PM  

The best thing going for us is how tough it is to motivate typical black voters to come to the polls. If a republican in a strong GOP state (like Alabama in 2018) is thought to be weak, and isn’t supported by the party, the black vote shows up. Then the local dems add some fraud and Shazam! They win.

You have to show confidence and that winning is a forgone conclusion. IOW, what Trump does best.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia November 15, 2019 12:05 PM  

VD wrote:

The Homo Economicus model is intrinsically false. Man is not a rational creature, he is a rationalizing one.

This fundamental maxim needs to be put up on Times Square, and other public areas, in blaring flashing neon lights.

Out negro fellow citizens believe Democrats are for them, and Republicans are against them.

Because??

Because Barack Obama. Because...FDR. Because...well, SOMETHING.

This is a world where facts, and rational arguments, don't matter.

They didn't matter today, they didn't yesterday, though they MAY tomorrow if the Overton window for our Negro fellow citizens moves.

But that's a big IF.

Blogger Jeroth November 15, 2019 12:06 PM  

Trump treated A$AP Rocky like a national hero, got him free, and the POS ghosted him and hasn't bothered to thank him since. Publicly bitch slapped, as they might say.

I have no doubt that you can get more black votes by being confidently and explicitly pro-white than engaging in this kind of subservient pandering. If I recall, David Duke actually polled surprisingly well with blacks.

Blogger American Nationalist November 15, 2019 12:35 PM  

@68

This is one of those times I thought "there's no fucking way that's true," and then I go look it up and boom! The mainstream media itself confirms it!

Blogger Karen took the Kids November 15, 2019 12:37 PM  

Conservative Inc spend so much of their time promoting the presidents great job on increasing female black, Hispanic and others unemployment figures. People who won't even vote for him in 2020. At least the left know their base.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2019 12:40 PM  

Nate wrote:If the GOP can carve off just a few more points... the Dems will literally never win another national election

Trump can maybe carve off 10% more or less. The GOP? Never. They can't, and they wouldn't upset their Dem masters if they could.

Blogger VD November 15, 2019 12:44 PM  

63 percent of conservative Hispanics vote Democrat. I'm guessing the Jewish conservative number is around 75 percent.

Blogger Wario's Mart November 15, 2019 12:47 PM  

Conservatives will never ever accept this. They just can't.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 15, 2019 12:48 PM  

Never try to outvote the Free Shit Army; it simply can't be done.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 15, 2019 12:49 PM  

Black people will enthusiastically elect black district attorneys who have a history of ignoring the very black-people crimes that make black neighborhoods unlivable.

Reason's got nothing to do with action.

The unitary nation (USA) is history. Travel between the states is rapidly becoming hazardous due to metastasizing leftism at the state level, such that behavior legal in one state can get you a long prison sentence in another (NJ gun laws are a case in point.)

All we need is a state to finally flip the magic middle finger to the Civil Rights Act, restoring the ability of people to associate with those who they choose. Perhaps it will be at the county level. But sooner or later, a polity of some sort will pull the plug on cooperation with larger-scale entities in this area. The left shows us the way things will go with their "sanctuary cities" and legalization of being recreationally stoned.

Once a wall is breached, it only surprises the morons that not just their pets pass through.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2019 12:54 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Black people will enthusiastically elect black district attorneys who have a history of ignoring the very black-people crimes that make black neighborhoods unlivable.

Those Blacks who vote to have Black crime ignored know very well that the Black criminals are their friends and family. They are smart enough to not want cousin Shitavious in prison for killing some nigga, not smart enough to see they are the niggas that somebody else's Shitavious is going to kill.

Do Black lives matter? Not to Blacks.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 15, 2019 12:56 PM  

@70 Trump, Inc. promote his "successes" with minorities as a means of getting the marginal white voter, who has three choices: (1) stay home and don't vote, (2) vote for one of the utter clowns in the lunatic asylum's D wing or (3) vote for the guy who the MSM says is a racist, sexist and homophobe...but hey, look how well he's doing helping those minorities...

Turnout matters. FWIW, I don't think it's possible to answer the MSM's constant barrage of "Have you stopped beating your wife" BS on race, but I do think that the marginal white voter may unconsciously get that the War-on-Whitey matters, and trying to subliminally chip away at the MSM's Narrative might be worthwhile.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 15, 2019 1:08 PM  

@76 Do black lives matter?

Only black family members. That's an illustration of clannishness for the textbooks.
From: http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-re-colonization-commonweal.html#more
David Lamb, after three years in Cairo:
But here's the curious thing: While Egyptians are content to live in filthy, battered buildings, the insides of their homes are always immaculate. ... When I asked friends if anyone had ever considered a neighborhood block association or an owners' association to clean up common areas, they would chuckle and say "Oh, THAT would never work here." No doubt it wouldn't. My friends did not feel that their responsibility extended beyond their own boundaries.


Most white people simply cannot imagine just how inwardly focused are non-whites. Recently the sister of an armed robber shot by a store clerk essentially said that the clerk should have just her brother rob him. Perhaps she was an outlier. But there's plenty of evidence that she's not.

First world countries exhibit "commonwealth" orientation among their people. There's a reason that non-white countries lag white countries even when adjusting for average (or smart-fraction) IQ. The world's peoples are almost all clannish, and this cripples their collective capacity for production. Of course, one has to wonder if the commonweal orientation of whites is being bred right out of us.

Blogger Jeroth November 15, 2019 1:10 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Trump, Inc. promote his "successes" with minorities as a means of getting the marginal white voter

I've thought about that possibility, but A$AP's release and the prison reform look much more like misguided attempts to directly pander to blacks. What white woman feels safer after hearing Trump brag about releasing felons into her neighborhood?

Blogger Gen. Kong November 15, 2019 1:12 PM  

So... it doesn't matter what they believe on the moral values, they will still vote Blue because...?

Because other values obviously trump their professed moral values. Identity is the general term for it, but the gaslighting and extravagant promises made by the healers over the decades are by now basically integral to the identity itself. This construction of a new identity for them was Trotsky's recommendation as early as 1917 and it's now in its full fruition - as can be readily seem by the black-on-white violent crime rate and the widespread support of the perpetrators by blacks, typically led by supposed "Christian" reverends in thousand-dollar suits screeching about how Shitavious dindiu nuffins.

Here's another example, despite being most directly affected by the massive influx of cheap-labor from massive immigration, the latest post from Epigone shows considerable support for more of the same. The endless parroting of DR3 arguments is not only tedious but a total failure. Dindus may oppose tranny-hour at the local library but they hate YT far more.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2019 1:15 PM  

In further Trump failure news his friend just got railroaded and Trump is .....tweeting about it.
Unless I start to see real meat on the table I'll not be voting in 2020. Funny thing is, I never had an original thought in my life but according to the numbers there won't be a Hispanic vote making up for my lack of vote.
I'm sure Trump won't be running the numbers on this. Jared Kushner is running it for him.

Blogger Ledford Ledford November 15, 2019 1:26 PM  

If you want blacks to sour on the Democrats, heavily promote the Democrats as LGBT heroes in the black community. The disgust level among most black men for male homosexuality is deep, deeper than any appeal to ideology or rational self-interest.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 15, 2019 1:32 PM  

linesy wrote:

LBJ was bang on. How much of those 200 years are left?

The old Satanist was indeed correct on that one thing. 150 years remaining. I seriously doubt USA will be around then.

Blogger carnaby November 15, 2019 1:41 PM  

My step sister and her husband and kids are black and they all enthusiastically voted for Trump in 2016. He's army and his oldest son is US Military too. Step sister and her husband were born in Jamaica and moved to USA as young children. They claim they've never experienced racism of any kind too. Interesting outlier.

Blogger Jose Miguel November 15, 2019 1:43 PM  

@66 and @68
Brazen confidence is key. Though even with that, I doubt it would move the needle much on the black vote, but it definitely would on the white vote which would be far more impactful. I have an aunt that had a front row seat to the ethnic cleansing of Compton and other parts of SoCal. It doesn't matter that black peoples' houses were being firebombed by Mexicans en masse and driven out of their historic communities, even those who complained to the city council in LA for protection from the Reconquista kept voting Democrat and open borders. Identity trumps security and life itself.

The metro area I live in was more than three times blacker than it is now, the right can pander all they want, the black people still here will vote for their own ethnic destruction, cause "whitey is racist." I've had black vendors and business associates complain to me about the Latin masses taking over their neighborhoods and their children being bullied by kids who don't speak English and in the next sentence say they were hoping O'Rourke would win.

Blogger VFM Bear November 15, 2019 1:49 PM  

"Never try to outvote the Free Shit Army; it simply can't be done."

And has always been true and is not remotely recent; see the grain dole of the Roman Republic.

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 15, 2019 2:01 PM  

Sailer did the math on that. Picking up a couple more percentage points from the white population matters. Nothing short of a twenty point swing matters to the black pop and it'll never happen.

Blogger American Nationalist November 15, 2019 2:03 PM  

@81

Not voting is not going to solve a damn thing. Get out there and vote Trump. He's not perfect, but he's the biggest threat to the Deep State we have, and we can't give that up lightly.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 15, 2019 2:19 PM  

@88

Seriously, the Deep State would love it we didn't vote.

Blogger Dark glasses Woody November 15, 2019 2:19 PM  

Money-whores and newly-conned Ziocucks should realize that the perjorative Freetard comes easier to the tounge than the clunky and forced Libtard.

Blogger tublecane November 15, 2019 2:28 PM  

@68- I remember hearing a story about black audiences cheering in movie theaters at the French Connection when one of the characters said something like "Up against the wall, n-word!" Not because they were on the side of racist white cops, but because they enjoy what they might call "Real Talk."

Blogger dc.sunsets November 15, 2019 2:32 PM  

@79

All of the center on which people depend is shaky. SBPDL over at UNZ is a long list of (mostly white) people who thought they were "protected" by the cops, the courts and the cages.

Jeff Snyder's A Nation of Cowards published in 1993 (a violent crime cycle peak) put all that to lie 26 years ago. People protect themselves (and their dependents) or no protection exists.

Illusions die hard. People, however, are soft and squishy.

Blogger Joseph Dooley November 15, 2019 3:05 PM  

Forgive me if you've posted on this before, but have you read Natan Sharansky's Defending Identity?

Blogger Anthony November 15, 2019 3:07 PM  

Trump vs Clinton made identity as a man salient for some. Trump got 8% of the black bite, but what he really got was 15% of black men and 1% of black women.

That's probably better than any Republican had done among black men since Nixon in 1960, but I'm the long run it won't help because way more black men than women are ineligible to vote.

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 3:23 PM  

By the way, when can we expect Not-American Modelo executives to be prosecuted for illegal in-kind contributions to Trump's opponents? They've even started trying to convince the Irish that they're just like squatemalans.

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2019 3:26 PM  

@VD thanks, looks like the conservative hispanic and jewish votes don't differ significantly from their leftist brethren.

Blogger Noah B. November 15, 2019 3:30 PM  

It would be interesting to see how the numbers break down for black gun owners, but I bet the percentage of those who vote Democrat is still upwards of 90 percent.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 4:02 PM  

@Carnaby
Frankly that's just sort of dumb. Jamaicans are NOT American blacks. There is no "Things that make you go Hmmm" to it. Older sister was a social worker in Public Health in south Florida 10+ years. Cubans, Ricans, Jamaicans, Haitians etc disliked each other, in some ways more than whitey, but they all despised American blacks.

On flip side, knew a white guy years ago who did high end sound systems, which actually took him into some black clubs here. He used to talk about how excited they would get when a Bob Marley song, said it was because "pretending to be Rasta for a song was a lot cooler than just being a another n****r".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 15, 2019 4:05 PM  

Noah B. wrote:It would be interesting to see how the numbers break down for black gun owners,
Blacks, like cops, don't want other people to be armed. Makes victimizing people much less risky.

Blogger rcocean November 15, 2019 4:15 PM  

Black folks now, are just like white ethnic working class folks were back in the 30s/40s. Back then, the Democrats were "for the working man" so the working white ethnics voted D, no matter what. So what if they were "socially conservative". Today, Blacks see the D's as "The Black party" - their party. And they ain't going to switch the R's for any reason - except the D's are violently, completely, and totally anti-black.

Blogger rcocean November 15, 2019 4:16 PM  

The R's have been "reaching out" to black middle class voters, forever. And gotten nowhere.

Blogger rcocean November 15, 2019 4:18 PM  

People forget its the R's - Ike and Nixon in 1957-58, that passed the first Civil Rights bill. which was watered down by the D's. But when in came to vote in 1960, most Northern Blacks Voted D. Blacks liked their Government handout, more than Civil Rights.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 4:23 PM  

Most "middle class" blacks are govt employees, or know they are beneficiaries of affirmative action so they're fake middle class. So no surprise they don't vote differently than the hood.

Blogger rcocean November 15, 2019 4:25 PM  

Blacks have been voting D in massive numbers since 1932. The high point for the R's was Ike in 1956, running against two D's who used to support segregation, Ike got 36% of the vote. Truman (who considered joining the KKK in the 20's) get 77% in 1948. The R's in 1932-1960 usually got about 25% of the black vote.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 15, 2019 4:33 PM  

People outside Alabama don't realize that when George Wallace died, blacks here generally spoke well of him. Why? He was a populist politician and when it was clear they were going to be voting in droves he pivoted quickly and courted them w pork, and some actually useful things in poor black counties in the state.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 15, 2019 5:49 PM  

What part of "identity" do you find hard to understand?

If blacks aren't a bona fide enemy nation, they're doing their darndest to give that impression.

Blogger Avalanche November 15, 2019 7:35 PM  

@69 "I go look it up and boom! The mainstream media itself confirms it!"

Anytime you feel a vindictive agreement WITH the MSM -- turn and run away! How many years have they spent building David Duke up into a boogie-man second ONLY to Hitler? Well, every election year anyway.

How many of us exercise an immediate severe kneejerk reaction, so very deeply inculcated: so ask yourself (((by whom?))). If you have come to believe that Hitler's Mein Kampf was "written by a raving madman" as one here once shouted; that Duke is an evil racist; that, oh, you know... there's no such thing as pizzagate, Epstein killed himself. Maybe even, we went to the moon? Lee Harvey Oswald --
pick your 'criminal-du-jour.'

IF you find yourself disagreeing with and thinking ill of someone who discusses something that makes you automatically recoil; but they do it without vitriol and an automatic genuflection to the standard story, maybe take a sec and ask yourself WHY you blindly believe that 'standard' story without ever having thought about or looked into it.

David Duke is a very-high-level midwit, and a strong man. Yes, I've met him; a decade ago I argued 911 with him... before giving in; he has destroyed his life, in my view, on behalf of and trying to awaken and save OUR people. If he wants to believe it was ragheads all the way down? So be it; go in peace. He has done some amazing research -- and both his books My Awakening and Jewish Supremacism -- are worth reading and VERY deeply referenced; including photos from the newspapers of the time and so on. He shows you the lies!

Maybe go read and SEE if maybe you've been (((misled)))...

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 7:53 PM  

Because they still need them as a fronting face to not scare away other white voters that are necessary numerically.
Once they have a big enough coalition of the ascendant to do away with them entirely,they will. In fact, the ones still involved in the upper levels are regularly thrown under the bus and shit talked, if the colored folk think they be getting too uppity.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 7:57 PM  

Well, we are at 62% and falling, currently, so y'all best be pumping out 6-8 chillums each if you want to merely tread water against the brown ride that's about to swamp us.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:00 PM  

You mean the savage attack by the low IQ, high testosterone negro against the white dude?
Yeah, I saw it. Wasn't surprised.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:03 PM  

There are more GA blacks per population than white gays. They front against it, but I cannot tell you how accepted it is among blacks in Atlanta. The answer is just very accepted.
This is a 1990 talking point. We have negro men in Louis Vuitton heels carrying Chanel purses walking around in broad daylight all over the place, unmolested.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:12 PM  

No, it's not. That's a right wing lie. They will stick their dick in anything, be it diseased, their own children, or 85 yrs old.
You are falling for a myth.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 15, 2019 8:18 PM  

All blacks are gun owners, when they aren't in jail. They just aren't legal gun owners. Even millionaire rappers and sports ball players end up getting caught for having illegal guns because in their minds that's what whitey do and they don't wanna be in the "system," as having the cops know about "they guns."
Whatever you think makes sense, reverse it & you've got what they think.

Blogger Korbin Ransley November 15, 2019 9:07 PM  

This info is certainly thought provoking. I knew the majority of us voted democrat, but this... I think we support Republicans at higher than 10%. I don't believe the polls or the vote counts are on the up and up. Maybe Blacks who are "conservative" on more than one issue are far more likely to vote Republican. Like say anti affirmative action, pro life, and pro second ammendment.

Trump support among blacks does exist but the constant MSM/DeepState push against the Emperor has had an effect. It's not all bad though. Not by a long shot.

Blogger sammibandit November 15, 2019 10:39 PM  

Maybe Blacks who are "conservative" on more than one issue are far more likely to vote Republican. Like say anti affirmative action, pro life, and pro second ammendment.

The graph is labeled Two-way 2016 presidential vote among those with politically conservative views on several issues (blacks), and includes pro life and anti affirmative action. I doubt pro 2A would be an outlier. I'm not sure how you got that interpretation.

Blogger Dan in Georgia November 16, 2019 6:11 AM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:Clarence Thomas almost never speaks in the courtroom. But recently, he did speak up. It was during a case about race. I'm pretty sure he said he voted for Obama as well.

No. Death penalty case (he's in favor) and he stated that Obama was chosen by the elites because he would do as they say.

Blogger The Cooler November 16, 2019 7:42 AM  

If you want blacks to sour on the Democrats, heavily promote the Democrats as LGBT heroes in the black community. The disgust level among most black men for male homosexuality is deep, deeper than any appeal to ideology or rational self-interest.

You are not wrong, per se, but you need to understand why you're right.

Most black men swing both ways: If I were to tell you the quantity of and frequency with which I had to bounce black guys performing 'acts' on one another out of he clubs I worked, you wouldn't believe it.

Their loathing of homosexuals is because they cannot stand this aspect of themselves. The vehemence of their public face as regards fags is projection and over-correction.

When we Southerners hear most of you Yankees talk about blacks, it's like listening to someone describe a Big Foot sighting, second hand.

If you want to understand blacks, compile your list of questions and go find a rural white Southerner.

One other fairly important note: Gamma presents differently in different races and/or ethnicities.

Blogger Avalanche November 16, 2019 8:04 AM  

@115 "I doubt pro 2A would be an outlier. I'm not sure how you got that interpretation."

Self-identifying desperation.

Blogger The Cooler November 16, 2019 8:11 AM  

Whatever you think makes sense, reverse it & you've got what they think.

This is 100% correct.

Blacks have to be taken as they are. Stop trying to correlate or associate their behavior to yours, because you'll end up wrong or extremely confused almost every time.

Blacks are just different: From how they worship all they way down to how they tend to hold a drinking glass or cell phone.

When a black person says they are "keeping it real," remember: For them, the style is the substance. This heuristic is necessary to understand anything about them, whatsoever.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 16, 2019 8:36 AM  

@117 The Cooler

White people (indigenous Europeans) are both less likely to be homosexual than everyone else and more likely to be honest about it when they are.

Blogger Macs November 16, 2019 1:11 PM  

I know plenty of based black men, but they got that way through the school of hard knocks and often lost their right to vote. Black women, on the other hand, generally can still vote but I've never met a based one.

Blogger Macs November 16, 2019 1:15 PM  

Although Northern Whites are absurdly credulous when it comes to Blacks (who are quite skilled at gaming us), Northern Blacks and Southern Blacks are very different too. The Blacks I have hired successfully have usually been Southern, there is less resentment of working for YT it seems.

Blogger Boaty Bear November 16, 2019 8:41 PM  

It's r/K.

We're reaching peak 'r' and soon to collapse into 'K'

Bring it on, the Bears etc will thrive in a K'ristian world.

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