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Friday, November 29, 2019

The mask comes off

The imperial state not only wants you fat, sickly, and disarmed, but tactically ignorant as well. At this rate, it won't be long before they ban wargames, of both board and computer varieties:
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.

A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000.
Still think they're not afraid of you? Notice that sections 2 and 3 are based on "intent", as if they can possibly know why one individual is training, drilling, or parading with another individual. Wolves always prefer sheep to sheepdogs.

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105 Comments:

Blogger spinoza November 29, 2019 11:04 AM  

Since when does the USA, United States Army, enforce the law?

Blogger Meanoldbasterd November 29, 2019 11:06 AM  

Trees need refreshing

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2019 11:06 AM  

Paintball looks like good, clean fun.

Blogger Thad Tuiol November 29, 2019 11:08 AM  

I’ve seen this show before, for those not paying attention in California, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and other places gun owners will complain loudly before the new draconian gun laws are passed posting Molon Labe/1776 part II style quotes and continue this for a few weeks after it passes then they will pull down their pants and bend over and take it in their butts all while saying “ok but not one more inch, this time we mean it!” There is no exception to this and anyone that thinks “this time is different” is a fool in the literal sense of the word.

Blogger Ora Tevzre November 29, 2019 11:09 AM  

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Oh wait ...

Blogger TMLutas November 29, 2019 11:12 AM  

This is the sort of legislation whose principle importance is in noting down who introduced it, cosponsored it, and voted for it. It's a walking violation of the first amendment and they didn't care to do their jobs to stay within the bounds of what is constitutional in writing their legislation.

They need to find new professions.

Blogger Raker_T November 29, 2019 11:12 AM  

They're salivating for the retro phase, where they go through your past internet comments and use them as evidence.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 29, 2019 11:13 AM  

The unwritten but intended clause is "excepting if the perpetrators are anarchist or socialist or even just a Democrat."

Blogger rcocean November 29, 2019 11:14 AM  

"Intimidate"? That seems too vague to be constitutional.

Blogger pnq87 November 29, 2019 11:18 AM  

Not to worry! I am sure any minute now the vast latent army of law abiding firearm owners will rise up and smash down the tyrannical government that would dare impinge on our freedoms! The great boomer rebellion has begun!

Blogger Oswald November 29, 2019 11:19 AM  

That could prevent a karate teacher from instructing someone in self defense as that could be seen as teaching techniques to cause bodily injury. And that language "reason to know", I mean talk about subjective. Say a potential Karate student says to his Sensei, the government cannot be trusted, does that put the Sensei on notice that the student may misuse the techniques he is going to teach him?

Blogger dienw November 29, 2019 11:19 AM  

Ora Tevzre wrote:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Oh wait ...



Yes, wait. We have high class lawyers telling us that the Bill of Rights does not, nor do the rights listed within, apply to the states. I wonder if the Bill of Rights only applies to Federal lands and buildings. Yeah, riight.

Blogger Brett baker November 29, 2019 11:21 AM  

Wonder if another bill will reduce penalties for theft, felonious assault, and drug trafficking?

Blogger dienw November 29, 2019 11:22 AM  

Does this new law demand that YouTube, Twitter, even google censor any videos showing martial techniques?

Blogger JD Curtis November 29, 2019 11:27 AM  

Their minions have been threatening WBTS reenactors. Link

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov November 29, 2019 11:35 AM  

So action movies and TV shows are banned?

Blogger RedJack November 29, 2019 11:45 AM  

Vox.

Teach those in the EU to remember us after we are gone. Do not come back.

Virginia is lost. Most of the south is too.

See you in the catacombs my friend, or in the field.

Blogger pyrrhus November 29, 2019 11:47 AM  

@15 . Was there even a "pipe bomb", or was it a ruse by LEOs?

Blogger The Lab Manager November 29, 2019 11:53 AM  

Isn't the part about limiting 'martial arts' da rasis? Maybe one of our whiny Asian minorities could sue for this even being proposed. Or is this some 'cultural misappropriation' from other non white totalitarian regimes?


Government: Now you finally have freedom!
Citizen: Great! OK, I’d like to be a Nazi!
Government: Not that.
Citizen: Errr… OK, maybe a monarchist!
Government: Not that either.
Citizen: So what does freedom allow me to do, then?
Government: Celebrate freedom, of course. Now shut up and pay those taxes.

Blogger Tallen November 29, 2019 11:58 AM  

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Blogger Haus frau November 29, 2019 11:59 AM  

The way this law reads, a father could be arrested for target shooting with his teenage kids. Thats a bold step they are taking. Unfortunately they are probably right in their calculations with the demographic changes in Virginia.

Blogger Tallen November 29, 2019 11:59 AM  

Louise Louise Lucas appears to be the sponsor. I see two addresses for her in the VA white pages.

Blogger Didas Kalos November 29, 2019 12:02 PM  

Inevitable Result of ignorance, 200k felons now voting, 250k illegals, and 200k new government employees. We have a thread. Pray it holds.
Pray!

Blogger tdcommenter November 29, 2019 12:03 PM  

Well regulated militia would be called a practiced militia these days.

Blogger Bramley Apple-Sauce November 29, 2019 12:05 PM  

I'm sure this will end well

Blogger MNW November 29, 2019 12:13 PM  

Virginia's population has been replaced with Indians, other non Americans, and government employees.

Thus kind of bill seems ok to them because they are unmoored from American history and philosophy. That is either birth or education.

Blogger English Tom November 29, 2019 12:30 PM  

#Ora Tevzre

Yes, this looks like an assault on the very idea of forming a militia.
We're getting close to it now. As anonymous conservative is fond of saying: ITZ COMING.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2019 12:34 PM  

pnq87 wrote:Not to worry! I am sure any minute now the vast latent army of law abiding firearm owners will rise up and smash down the tyrannical government that would dare impinge on our freedoms!

Obviously the Left is paralyzed with fear by the prospect of angering law abiding anything.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 29, 2019 12:43 PM  

There is a book titled 'Three Felonies a Day' that describes how there are so many laws on the books that law enforcement can arbitrarily target anyone. "Weaponized ambiguity" is a term I hear more and more about many topics.

Blogger papabear November 29, 2019 12:45 PM  

See also the news on Virginia SB 16, new gun control laws.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 29, 2019 12:46 PM  

Virginia's population has been replaced with Indians, other non Americans, and government employees.

That's certainly part of it. There's also the massive vote fraud - which remains uncontested by Republicans, including "Trump's" DOJ (which Trump obviously does not even influence). The continual DR3 bleating from Boomertards is proven a lie in Virginia as well, where governor blackface handily won. VA is now a one-party state, joining CA, NY, NJ, IL. You can be certain that the Soros-appointed prosecutors and judges will not be enforcing this law against Antifa or its allies. It's yet another example of the mask falling off, yet still so many refuse to believe their lying eyes.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 29, 2019 12:49 PM  

Yes, this looks like an assault on the very idea of forming a militia.

Which probably prompted the formation of dozens of new militias within hours.

All I know is there's far more shooting in my neighborhood these days than just a year ago, not counting the hunting. It used to be mainly a weekend thing; now it's daily. People are trying to stay prepared.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2019 12:50 PM  

Think of this as secession on the installment plan.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 29, 2019 12:51 PM  

On a related note ... in case you didn't know, federal law says:

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

Blogger Joe Smith November 29, 2019 12:51 PM  

There’s an interesting end around the 2nd amendment. Sure, you can have guns, but you can’t learn how to use them or we’ll throw you in a cage.

Blogger TraceRoute Bear November 29, 2019 12:54 PM  

Time to visit that nearby martial arts center.

Blogger Raker_T November 29, 2019 12:55 PM  

Will be interesting to see if they create a legal AIDS type situation; whereby anyone attempting to legally challenge the law will be in violation of it.

Blogger Oswald November 29, 2019 12:56 PM  

Civil Disorder? Is that defined any where. That might not even be limited to criminal conduct. A simple protest held my person's displaying weapons or karate uniforms might qualify.

Blogger bushpilot November 29, 2019 1:12 PM  

It looks to me like this legislation would criminalize the American Legion Color Guard in the 4th of July parade because some snowflake might be intimidated by it.

Blogger tuberman November 29, 2019 1:13 PM  

Paintball and Lasertag under ban hammer law.

Plus, beyond MMI, no more wrestling, boxing, and even football could lead to the wrong sort of aggression. And, yep, a new Gamergate is in the wind. The more absurd they get, a few more start to begin to Awake. It comes in stages, but I see laws like these as desperate, and not wins for (((them))).

Short term thinking on their part, as the courts turn more and more towards the Right.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 29, 2019 1:25 PM  

"Law abiding"
To be law-abiding in a lawless land is the highest form of cuckery.

Once at a private range, when the county made it's first assault, they sent the belligerent ped-looking cops to tell my friend to stop shooting on his land RIGHT NOW!
This place was locally nicknamed "Militia Training Center". But even soldiers from JBLM would drop by to test and site their personal weapons....

He had a dozen guys there shooting with AR-15s all in a line and these cops are hurfing and blurfing in their usual way. My friends just said "No" and proceeded like they were not even there, as did everybody else.

What's happening in Virginia should be a case for everybody: this is what happens when you don't contain New York and California, and more specially: DC.
But who will gladly get arrested for it, then spend years in courts, going broke, and take it all the way up to SCOTUS, who will, and for no reason given, just kick the case back? Nobody. That's who. Especially in the land of "boomers won't do shit" and "genXers can't afford to miss that child support payment". Nobody is going to spend a decade challenging bad law and give up everything so 9 ring wraiths can decide not to give a shit and off to prison you go anyway.

I do look forward to seeing what these leftocrats might try to do with the internet. I can imagine Tyborosaurus Rex with his Sniper 101 series getting a letter from the AG of Virginia that he's going to be arrested because someone in Virginia watched his videos.

Furthermore, the 1990s "militia model" has been dead since... the 1990s. Nobody is going to openly train strangers any more since there is no shortage of losers who got busted for kiddie porn that have become federal informants. What has quietly happened since then is that people only train in tight knit, known for a long time, and/or family based groups. They are doing more than just plinking or "stand and shoot". Way more.

Blogger Iron Spartan November 29, 2019 1:27 PM  

Section 1 effectively outlaws all trades education and training as there is no way to teach someone to use machine tools, or even hand tools, in a way that cannot be used to make a weapon.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2019 1:33 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Nobody is going to spend a decade challenging bad law and give up everything so 9 ring wraiths can decide not to give a shit and off to prison you go anyway.
The Declaration of Independence is a better model for challenging bad law.

Blogger Raker_T November 29, 2019 1:34 PM  

When history becomes illegal: the battle of Athens Tennessee.

Blogger Dyspeptic November 29, 2019 1:41 PM  

Maybe the cucked out empty suits who run the NRA should wake up and move their headquarters to a free state while they can. I imagine the statute in question will make them an outlaw organization subject to the Charlottesville treatment.

Also, this sort of law making can be expected on the Federal level if the Demonrats get control of DC again. I can see Chucky & Nancy ramming through this sort of stuff as part of some swampy omnibus spending bill.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 29, 2019 1:43 PM  

This horse has already left the barn. As of 2017, 41 states have laws banning citizen militias and/or paramilitary training.

"Intent" is written into many laws. "with intent to annoy or harass..." "with intent to alarm..." "with intent to disrupt...". Cops love these type laws because they allow "Contempt of cop charges".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2019 1:44 PM  

Dyspeptic wrote:Maybe the cucked out empty suits who run the NRA should wake up and move their headquarters to a free state while they can. I imagine the statute in question will make them an outlaw organization subject to the Charlottesville treatment.

No, the NRA is controlled opposition. I expect they were part of the planning for this. Wayne needed a new suit.

Blogger damaris.tighe November 29, 2019 1:45 PM  

Finally! Politicians who have the sense to Do Something about all those violent gun club barbeques.

Blogger James Dixon November 29, 2019 1:47 PM  

Note that if taken literally, this outlaws most martial arts training, the National Guard, the various military reserve units, and all military training in the state of Virginia. It probably also outlaws CIA and FBI training.

There is absolutely no way to ensure a military or government person will not eventually employ their training "for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder". I'm sure the readership can think of examples of same.

Blogger Raker_T November 29, 2019 1:49 PM  

Pretty much OT, unless this is considered teaching subversive tactics: I just had this thought, wouldn't a burka be the ultimate criminal disguise? Armed robbery, theft, vandalism, you could do all sorts of stuff. It would allow you to walk right up to the scene, commit the deed, then leave while covered. Coming soon to a jurisdiction near you: death penalty for infidels wearing religious garb.

Blogger James Dixon November 29, 2019 1:55 PM  

Of course the counties of Virginia still have "the rightful government of Virginia", which they can vote to rejoin. It's even recognized by the federal government. I wonder how that would fly in DC?

Blogger Noah B. November 29, 2019 2:23 PM  

Laws like these are meant to be selectively enforced.

Blogger FrankNorman November 29, 2019 2:26 PM  

The question will be to what extent can they be enforced at all.

Blogger SmokeyJoe November 29, 2019 2:35 PM  

"Well regulated militia would be called a practiced militia these days."

Regulated also meant well equipped. As in the able bodied, who were the militia, were supposed to be kitted out as a basic line soldier. So show up with your weapons and gear ready to go.

Blogger tuberman November 29, 2019 2:51 PM  

53. Frank

The way this usually happens is the people behind such overreach will pick a case, pick the cops to send in , and pick the court, including judge in one of their jurisdictions.

Blogger Warunicorn November 29, 2019 2:58 PM  

Downright tyrannical.

War it is, then.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 29, 2019 3:12 PM  

Elections matter, so if you sit home because the better side isn't perfect, you practically deserve what you're going to get.

Blogger 1100 November 29, 2019 3:21 PM  

I wonder if this law would apply whenever two armed gang members are spotted or arrested?

I think a lot of patriot groups will now start calling themselves 'hunting clubs'. It might look like tactical training, they are just training to hunt a group of wild mountain lions. And they might have rabies so they could be aggressive and unpredictable.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 29, 2019 3:22 PM  

Tyranny is very much on the march here in Virginia. This is but one aspect, it's a many-fronted attack on us. Normally in the course of things the Left would come in and over-play their hand reliably, and then get smacked back.

I fear we're on a new trajectory now. This place is simply not the Virginia that it was. In the past couple elections the anti-Left vote did come out. We had record numbers of votes against the Democrats. But the Dems have been seeing clean sweeps pretty much across the board anyway. We've got too many invaders.

These gun measures may yet blow up against the Left, though. Gun rights have got to be the most cherished item of the right. If this doesn't motive the right, nothing will. I sure hope so. But then again I thought the tranny agenda would motivate people - that's one that enjoys across-the-aisle resistance. Didn't do squat.

Meanwhile I'm trying to motivate friends in Northern Virginia to do the heretofore unthinkable. Infiltrate the Democrat Party. Subvert it from within, take a page from the SJWs and turn the tables on them.

Open to ideas.

Blogger p_q November 29, 2019 3:32 PM  

It's almost a direct ban on militias, how will this stand up in court?

Blogger teslawasframed November 29, 2019 3:32 PM  

If you're willing to invest some coin, you can buy full-scale, high quality airsoft clones of any gun in common usage...your fire control groups/physical characteristics will be the same as your real boomsticks. Also, with the mags being correct to scale replicas, you can utilize whatever battle belt/plate carrier/chest rig combo you favor.

Food for thought.

Blogger teslawasframed November 29, 2019 3:40 PM  

Yes! That's an incredibly fascinating story, and one not retold outside a few 2A-related groups or platforms.

Wonder why that is...

Blogger Noah B. November 29, 2019 3:48 PM  

This law is so broadly written that using airsoft or paintball guns is no guarantee of avoiding political prosecution. It's probably best to maintain opsec and keep a low profile with any group of shooting buddies, whatever you call yourselves.

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 29, 2019 3:51 PM  

I eagerly look forward to the prosecution of antifa chapters militant black groups and private security groups.

Wait that will never happen just more guys like Cliven Bundy's friend will be shot resisting arrest.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 29, 2019 3:53 PM  

Bastards. As written, "For use in..." arguably covers practising together with your neighbors for *defensive* purposes. Otherwise no reason to also list "or in furtherance of".

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa November 29, 2019 3:56 PM  

Well I, for one, will sleep better at night in Virginia, and would like to personally thank State Senator L. Louise Lucas, pride of the 18th district, for being truthful in what she finds legal under the U.S. Constitution. I want to ensure she gets credit for this legislation if it gets out of the Committee for Courts of Justice. Stay strong, sister!

https://apps.senate.virginia.gov/Senator/memberpage.php?id=S19
and
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64

Blogger RusticFederalist November 29, 2019 4:07 PM  

It's quite poorly written, which is probably intentional. Anyways, if I read it right, this bill takes out martial arts and sports.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 29, 2019 4:14 PM  

@15 - A story about Civil War re-enactment and the writer spent almost the entire article interviewing two women about their feelings, and ends with the obligatory "Please don't call us racists!" quote. No wonder Virginia has fallen.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 29, 2019 4:18 PM  

It's time for some counties to declare themselves sanctuary states for militias. The left started that tactic for protecting immigrants from ICE, but the right has started using it for protecting gun rights and for restricting abortions. Sheriffs matter!

Blogger Wario's Mart November 29, 2019 4:20 PM  

Damn. This is disgusting, and it's real. They want you disarmed so that their foreign armed Janissaries can put you on the FEMA camps.

Blogger tuberman November 29, 2019 4:40 PM  

58. 1100

"I wonder if this law would apply whenever two armed gang members are spotted or arrested?"

No, obviously.

The law is purposely vague and sloppy, and will be used only against what the Left/Globalists see as any of their real opposition.

Blogger jkmack November 29, 2019 4:42 PM  

isnt everything pretty much "a component or combination" of the three prohibited itmes? Sugar can be used in explosives and incendiaries, so they can arrest you for having gum or a soft drink on you? Watch out ladies, carrying hydrogen peroxide or ammonia or a few other choice household products could land you in the clink. Think this is outrageous? ask the thousands of americans who have had their cash confiscated because carrying a "large sum" of cash is suspicious activity.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 29, 2019 4:56 PM  

Al K. Annossow wrote:It's time for some counties to declare themselves sanctuary states for militias. The left started that tactic for protecting immigrants from ICE, but the right has started using it for protecting gun rights and for restricting abortions. Sheriffs matter!

That's already begun to happen in Virginia. We have rural county sheriffs beginning to declare the counties as "2nd Amendment Sanctuaries" where they won't enforce the gun control measures.

In Loudon County we have an opposite situation. The sheriff is the one lone Not Democrat who won in the last round of elections. He ran on the platform of cooperating with ICE and preventing the county from going "Sanctuary". So the yet-to-sworn-in pack of newly elected Dems on the Board of County Supervisors has already vowed to simply do away with the position of county sheriff altogether. The Left plays hardball, when will the right?

Blogger Wario's Mart November 29, 2019 5:09 PM  

It's sobering.

The right has to start playing hardball. It just has to. Or Tru news' piece about a Jew Coup and millions of American Christians being killed can actually come true.

Blogger Skyler the Weird November 29, 2019 5:53 PM  

4. This Law shall not apply to Antifa nor Black Lives Matter.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 29, 2019 5:57 PM  

"Laws like these are meant to be selectively enforced."

A law meant to be selectively enforced isn't a law. It's a license to attack enemies and protect friends.

"The law is purposely vague and sloppy"

This. It's the legal version of an SJW "code" of conduct.

Blogger Stilicho November 29, 2019 6:26 PM  

"Of course the counties of Virginia still have "the rightful government of Virginia", which they can vote to rejoin. It's even recognized by the federal government. I wonder how that would fly in DC"

Made me smile. I'll have to dig out my Golden Horseshoe pin and wear it the next time I'm in the lowland counties.

Blogger MidnightSun November 29, 2019 6:27 PM  

The knucklehead from New York Michael Bloomberg poured millions into getting this bill legislated. Every single time.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 29, 2019 6:53 PM  

"The left plays hardball. When will the right?"

Most of the "right" are secret gays or pedos or got something being held over them. They are just as much swamp creatures. They do what they are told, or else.

Blogger Avalanche November 29, 2019 6:57 PM  

So, they gonna start rounding up antifa and BLM now? They FILM themselves doing these things -- AND acting it out in public/civic disorder!

Blogger Hammerli 280 November 29, 2019 7:27 PM  

@51: "Of course the counties of Virginia still have "the rightful government of Virginia", which they can vote to rejoin. It's even recognized by the federal government. I wonder how that would fly in DC?"

Interesting idea, considering how that government was formed to begin with.

For the rest of you...I can assure you that the word is getting out in Virginia. The Dems have a bad habit of poking the hornet's nest.

Blogger Christopher November 29, 2019 7:47 PM  

Assuming I am reading the mark-up correctly, what is the significance of changing it from "shall be guilty...." to " is guilty...."? Is this merely some sort of plain meaning style change of the original (1987?) statute or something else?

Blogger One Deplorable DT November 29, 2019 7:49 PM  

@6 - It's a walking violation of the first amendment and they didn't care to do their jobs to stay within the bounds of what is constitutional in writing their legislation.

One flaw in our system is that there is no penalty for legislators who violate the Constitution. Any legislator (state level) or congressman (Federal level) who introduces a law which is passed and later overturned by a Federal court on constitutional grounds should be immediately removed and barred from serving in political office. And they should have to pay back their government salary starting from the time the unconstitutional law was passed, and do so through civil asset forfeiture if necessary.

I imagine that would put a damper on nonsense like this.

Blogger Oswald November 29, 2019 8:08 PM  

Guns in civilian hands in America are a check on world wide tyranny. I am not simply talking about this massive arsenal is a deterrent to foreign invaders, but it is also is a check on American aggression else where in the world. The US has started plenty of wars in the last 70 years. If there were no restraints on the government, and the second amendment is the biggest restraint on it, then how much war happy would our leaders be?

Blogger Avalanche November 29, 2019 8:32 PM  

@13 "Wonder if another bill will reduce penalties for theft"

You're WAY behind the times! In LA, the basement level for cop action is $950! If they EACH steal $945 of product from your store, the cops will not even take a report! Locusts, your field of goods-for-sale, one visit by vibrants, and you're closed.

Blogger Unknown November 29, 2019 9:15 PM  

The typical military parading in the south is reenactments from the Civil or Revolutionary Wars. Parading with modern arms is so non-existent that it's surprising that any rational legislature would think to ban it.

It follows, of course, that Civil War reenactments aren't the real target of this legislation, but suppression of southern culture that is alien to the new Virginians. Look at that magic dirt working its miracles.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman November 29, 2019 9:57 PM  

All of the police in that state might as well start arresting themselves, as they are guilty of violating all aspects of this bill.... on a daily basis.
But we all know thats not happening as they're nothing short of a modern day Pratorean guard for the satanic communists and cowardly cucks on both sides of the aisle.

Blogger kunta kinte November 29, 2019 10:03 PM  

The Lord is my shepherd.
I am his dog.

Blogger Unknownsailor November 29, 2019 11:25 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:
Furthermore, the 1990s "militia model" has been dead since... the 1990s. Nobody is going to openly train strangers any more since there is no shortage of losers who got busted for kiddie porn that have become federal informants. What has quietly happened since then is that people only train in tight knit, known for a long time, and/or family based groups. They are doing more than just plinking or "stand and shoot". Way more.

I know of quite a few people traveling around the country doing exactly this. Steve Fisher, Chris Costa, Pat MacNamera, Jeff Gonzales, all will bring their TTP to your range and instruct a group of people. Usual vetting is having a CCW permit.

For all of them it is standard range practice to leave all guns loaded during class time.

I myself have taken over a dozen classes from different instructors, and have traveled to some big name schools for training. Gunsite in AZ and Thunder Ranch in OR.

The training is there, but it is oriented towards self defense, not small unit tactics in the field. That being said, that can be had from a few places. Max Velocity Tactical teaches a whole range of classes along those lines.

I think it would be hilarious for a county sheriff to roll up on a Steve Fisher carbine class, where anywhere from 18-30 students will be wandering around with loaded AR-15s and pistols at any time, and try to arrest them all.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare November 29, 2019 11:40 PM  

The worst part is that the only new element is part 3. Parts 1 and 2 are already the law in Virginia. Have been since 1987. Didn't know that, because I don't live in Virginia...but damn, that is seriously screwed up.

Source: https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/virginia/va-code/virginia_code_18-2-433-2

Blogger teslawasframed November 30, 2019 12:04 AM  

John Mosby (MountainGuerrilla) does this as well.

Blogger Nancy Reyes November 30, 2019 3:59 AM  

it sounds like they just outlawed my National Guard unit from doing training in Virginia.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 30, 2019 8:27 AM  

I'd recommend Max Velocity as well, he purposely sited his training center in West Virginia, he has a small forum you gents can get the info straight from him. He even posts training vids to youtube and Full30 so no doubt that will be "illegal" as well.

Blogger flyingtiger November 30, 2019 9:39 AM  

Virginia has outlawed Dungeons and Dragons and other role playing games. Also paintball and nerf sword fighting is now a felony. Virginia legislators are crazy.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 30, 2019 9:56 AM  

The only reason we get to have looser gun laws here in the Deep South is that they want to be able to use whatever they can to keep all of our Beans & Bleggs out of jail.
I'm sure it will soon be illegal for white folks to have legal guns, though.

Blogger Section 8A November 30, 2019 10:07 AM  

In the 'hood they not only don't know about these laws, they ignore them completely. The 'gun owning, law abiding conservative' will have arrived when he does the same.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia November 30, 2019 10:41 AM  

Want to know why Michael Bloomberg is dangerous?

He bankrolled the campaign to get the Virginia legislature as blue as deep blue sea, so it could pass bills like this.

Blogger Tars Tarkas November 30, 2019 11:09 AM  

Well, to be fair, Virginia no longer exists anymore. Virginia's new inhabitants are just making it more to their liking. The state that gave us Thomas Jefferson is long gone.

This is just one of the many consequences of changing demographics. Though I cannot imagine the SCOTUS would uphold this law, the fact that anyone even proposed it in the first place is deeply troubling.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 30, 2019 11:18 AM  

Section 8A wrote:In the 'hood they not only don't know about these laws, they ignore them completely. The 'gun owning, law abiding conservative' will have arrived when he does the same.

``I am law abiding'' means ``I surrender to evil at the first opportunity.''

Blogger Bobiojimbo November 30, 2019 2:09 PM  

If this law is used against the John Brown club, I'd be surprised.

Blogger Skillet November 30, 2019 4:15 PM  

Virginia is a preview of what is happening with the USA at large. Vibrants from all over the world have invaded N Va and even Richmond south. They certainly don't care about the 2A or any other A for that matter. Their numbers drown out the Trad Americans in the rest of the state. The Communists (with outside help) are in charge and they won't back off until they are set straight/defeated, and I don't mean in a "legal" way. Which reminds me, I wonder who has good Black Fri ammo deals?

Blogger teslawasframed November 30, 2019 8:39 PM  

I mostly use Sgammo.com...he's got a few good deals running now. Federal has a decent rebate for the holiday...Midway and PSA have good deals involving that too.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 02, 2019 10:14 AM  

Ora Tevzre wrote:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Oh wait ...

That's right, use the VA Constitution —
Article I. Bill of Rights
Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Oswald wrote:That could prevent a karate teacher from instructing someone in self defense as that could be seen as teaching techniques to cause bodily injury. And that language "reason to know", I mean talk about subjective. Say a potential Karate student says to his Sensei, the government cannot be trusted, does that put the Sensei on notice that the student may misuse the techniques he is going to teach him?
That's the intent: they want to eliminate all ability to resist — they want you huddled in a ball as the boot hits your ribs, as they shout "Stop Resisting!".

It wasn't VA, but TN whose Constitution contains this gem:
Art I, Section 2. — That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

dienw wrote:Yes, wait. We have high class lawyers telling us that the Bill of Rights does not, nor do the rights listed within, apply to the states. I wonder if the Bill of Rights only applies to Federal lands and buildings. Yeah, riight.
You don't understand; the Bill of Rights is, as stated in the preamble, about the States restricting the powers delegated to the federal government: THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.

Al K. Annossow wrote:On a related note […] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
Excellent link, thank you for sharing it.

Raker_T wrote:Will be interesting to see if they create a legal AIDS type situation; whereby anyone attempting to legally challenge the law will be in violation of it.
The Judiciary has already implemented this. In short, you cannot challenge a law without being in violation of it, thereby forcing all challengers to act from a place of weakness: that of the accused. — I know because there are various gun-laws that I wished to challenge as violative of the State Constitution [literal, blatant violation] that when I asked any legal-professionals (AGs, DAs, lawyers, etc) gave me the same answer: that I would have to violate the law in order to challenge it.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 02, 2019 10:44 AM  

Dyspeptic wrote:Maybe the cucked out empty suits who run the NRA should wake up and move their headquarters to a free state while they can. I imagine the statute in question will make them an outlaw organization subject to the Charlottesville treatment.
You fundamentally misunderstand the NRA — they are controlled-opposition and were never "on our side" at all.

Noah B. wrote:Laws like these are meant to be selectively enforced.
Bingo.

FrankNorman wrote:The question will be to what extent can they be enforced at all.
Given the obvious intent to be done selectively, this isn't the issue you're thinking it is.

tuberman wrote:53. Frank

The way this usually happens is the people behind such overreach will pick a case, pick the cops to send in , and pick the court, including judge in one of their jurisdictions.

Exactly so — they're not in it to "play fair", they're in it for power and oppression, and they really want you to buy into the doctrine of nonresistance.

The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:Open to ideas.
Pray; pray hard.
Then act.

p_q wrote:It's almost a direct ban on militias, how will this stand up in court?
Through the pilpul the Judiciary has swallowed whole: this is the reason that 'precedence' is given so much weight — it allows a Judge to select the "history" that is relevant and build on that rather than on the law.

teslawasframed wrote:Yes! That's an incredibly fascinating story, and one not retold outside a few 2A-related groups or platforms.
Wonder why that is…

I assume you're talking about The Battle of Athens; the answer is obvious: it shows that corruption is a genuine "Casus Belli" against our own governance.

Skillet wrote:Virginia is a preview of what is happening with the USA at large. Vibrants from all over the world have invaded N Va and even Richmond south. They certainly don't care about the 2A or any other A for that matter.
Indeed.
It's very likely that there will be bloodshed precisely because our political caste has so consistently and continually refused to address the immigration, both legitimate and illegitimate. — And the most galling thing about that is that like the Boomers, the majority of those responsible will be dead and gone before those left holding the bag have to pay.

Blogger Angela December 03, 2019 11:02 PM  

Can confirm. A hunter lost a deer in the woods and ended up tracking it near a residential area and ALL the women online started their...what so I call it? Hystronic bloviating. Not one level headed response was seen. Just moaning over poor Bambi. Goodbye south, you've been feminized and cucked.

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