Saturday, November 02, 2019

You are right to be furious

Milo reviews Joker:
This is a film about a young man who is driven by the rampant, illegitimate cruelty around him to do appalling things. The message, the moral of the story, is that Joker is what is going to happen to us soon, unless these dissociated and disaffected young males find something better to believe in. This is our future, unless society starts treating them—treating us—with the respect and dignity we deserve.

In every outdoor shot, Arthur Fleck is surrounded by the signs of decadent late capitalism. This is a failed nostalgia because although the film is set some forty years ago, it could just as well be playing out today. Pornography and drugs flood the streets, and there are signs everywhere telling Fleck—and the viewer—to grin and bear it, to “put on a happy face.” We’ve been told that for some time now, haven’t we? We’ve been told to turn a blind eye to the excesses of modern feminism, because, well, ladies had it pretty rough back in the day guys, didn’t they? We’ve been told to go easy on race-baiting conspiracy theorists because, you know, you’re white and so you’ve inherited all that privilege, my guy! After all, aren’t we the aggressors—the historical oppressors of just about everyone else?

This nonsense, this desperate plea for pity in the face of historical reality, is wearing pretty fucking thin in 2019. While we are being bamboozled, society has become hostile to its own engines of progress and creation, alienating and spurning Christians, men, heterosexuals and, yes, white people. The after-effects of this terrible neglect are setting in, and the young men I know are searching for a means to sublimate their rage and pain. And they want someone—anyone—to say: You are right to be furious.
The filmmakers are mocking the rightful wrath that is to come because they fear it. But the day of Deus Vult is coming and there is no power on Earth that can stop it. Remember, every knee SHALL bow.

Willingly or unwillingly, even the haters and enemies of God will bend the knee before Jesus Christ.

I agree with Milo when he says the West is primed for a religious revival. The bankruptcy of the Enlightenment, the dead end of hedonistic degeneracy, the vacuousness of science, and the unadulterated wickedness of the satanists is becoming abundantly clear to everyone with eyes.

You are right to hate the wicked. And you are right to be furious.

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Blogger Dr. J November 02, 2019 1:17 PM  

Remember, every knee SHALL bow.

I've been told by universal reconciliationists that this passage is proof that all shall be saved no matter what sins they have committed. My response is to ask what position one takes before the headsman's axe falls? Judgement comes regardless.

Blogger DonJuanBear November 02, 2019 1:19 PM  

Why so serious..? 🤣

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 02, 2019 1:30 PM  

The Left is pushing on a large compressed spring. And their arms are getting tired.

Blogger andrisf November 02, 2019 1:30 PM  

I HOPE that you are indeed right about rightful wrath that is to come, yet it is hard for me to see where it will come from.
People are very weak, i could see revolt in Russia in its best traditions against traitor Putin (yes he is traitor to Russian people, he has utterly destroyed Russia and its economy and now it is obvious he will betray Russians in Ukraine, do not be fooled by propaganda), because Russian people are strong and masculine, however i fail to see it happening in western Europe.
Look at France for example - yellow vests did what they could, result? I do not want to discuss this too detailed, but facts are simple - there is a police state in EU, every influential, potentially violent person is know. Police will do as told(look at how for examples rapes and migrant violence is being handled, police stand with globalists, not with people), they want their salaries, same with army.
People in western Europe have very little guns, with some exceptions, like Italy. Also i do not see ideology that would unite all those, very few people who would be ready to act in theory, at least, they all have different ideas, ideologies etc.
Also very significant detail is this - what would you say is most horrific thing done by globalist psychos? I would argue that it is sexualizing children and giving small children sex change, has ANYONE DONE ANYTHING to those parents, judges, doctors who do/allow that? Has EVEN ONE DEMON been shut in their fucking head (very easy death for scum like that)? NO. NOT FUCKING ONE. So what do you expect from this society? I expect very little.
In Russia there was a case some gypsies raped a girl in some cafe/bar, her father took ak47, 2 friends and killed them all. KILLED THEM ALL. Has single fucking nigger/muzzie rapist been killed, say in UK in Huddersfield or in any other city where mass rapes have happened, where TENS OF THOUSAND girls and women have been raped?
I have no faith in western Europeans, i think they are weak, and the way they allow their women/children be treated is absolute proof in my eyes.
I hope i am wrong.

Blogger Wraithburn November 02, 2019 1:32 PM  

I remember growing up and constantly hearing calls for "we need a revival" in churches. It always sounded hollow to me, and I am a Christian! Looking back now, I think it's because they weren't actually promoting what they said they wanted.

This? This scares them, and I think you're right. Revival, true Revival is around the corner.

Blogger Rick November 02, 2019 1:34 PM  

It’s an important film, Vox. Or will be. I hope you see it and review it.
Also, it has one of those rare qualities where it will appeal to different people in different ways. Such as, aspects I liked about it, will be the parts other people didn’t like about it. Like a mirror I guess.
He’s also not just a guy that was beaten down. He was born with serious mental illness. The other stuff made it worse.

Blogger El Fin November 02, 2019 1:40 PM  

Todd Phillips (Real name ((( bunzi))) is mocking us. He portrays the enemies of Arthur fleck as Chads and ignores the diversity and degeneracy. The solution to Arthur’s problems are , of course, miscegenation and sadistic wrath.

Lots of young men can relate to Arthur’s struggles but can’t understand the subversion.

When we discover that Hollywood is the degenerate moral cancer hell-bent on destroying us , vis-a-vis destroying Christianity then the answer becomes obvious. We aren’t weak and defenseless anymore.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Blogger CF Neal November 02, 2019 1:41 PM  

Blessed are the merciful:
for they shall obtain mercy.

There is a sin unto death:
I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Abhor that which is evil;
cleave to that which is good.

Be not overcome of evil,
but overcome evil with good.


Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 1:43 PM  

This is why I am a post-tribulation rapture Christian.

Blogger Esmar Tuek November 02, 2019 1:45 PM  

Check out JF Gariépy for an actual review of the film

Blogger Akuma November 02, 2019 2:01 PM  

We need a modern version of the Peace and Truce of God. The left would be decimated it the state actually followed it too.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 02, 2019 2:04 PM  

Video games used to be a good outlet.

Blogger Maniac November 02, 2019 2:07 PM  

@#9 - What would be the point? Why would Christ rapture us off the planet just to make a cosmic U-turn and come back to it?

As for nationwide revival, I'd like fewer things more before God throws the light switch, but I don't see it happening.

Blogger Gettimothy November 02, 2019 2:08 PM  

Barnhardt.posted a cud where they blow up a pachamama idol

I thought "my people are ready"

Rage is over, determination has set in

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella November 02, 2019 2:08 PM  

One of the more interesting parts of my particular via dolorosa this year is that victims of heinous family events all have a solution. The solution is "you can't trust anyone else. You can only trust yourself." Then they work very hard to only work, not have a family, limit the number of children they have, all sorts of things that leaves them bereft of any connection. The perpetrators of hideousness also game up and insist that there should not be consequences for other perpetrators. So, former drug addicts insist that one should not report current drug users or drug dealers to the police. Aged former homewreckers insist that one should not bring wrath to current sluts.

The agreement is that good is helpless, vulnerable and alone. And that predators simply get to do what they want until nature intervenes, by way of liver failure, or car wreck.

No one is pointing out that there are more good people, and that they could shun the malefactors. Or that there should be consequences for evil actions. Even simple things, like telling the police that someone deals drugs.

This is the inversion that the Boomers wrought. I am talking to my father, a Boomer, and explaining the downstream consequences of his weakness and fecklessness. And then I point out, it's everyone's Boomer parent. Every woman who decided to divorce her husband exposed her children to stranger danger. Not in a cute, afterschool movie that ends with a school counsellor hug, but in jail time if, say, a young man fought back against getting raped by the mom's boyfriend.

Everyone assumes everything will go on, uninterrupted. I don't see young men volunteering to pay social security on old, single women who never bothered to have children. I can't see going bankrupt to fund government dialysis centers. I can't see anyone trying to keep NHS hospitals going when they routinely kill infants with filthy low standards- mold in Alfie Evan's breathing tube was visible in photos. We've known black mold kills children since Exodus.

The men online who make explicitly Christian, religious videos aimed at young men, like Milo, have an audience. That audience then goes and talks to each other. They debate, they learn, they practice their faith. It looks different than middle-aged women in Episcopalian cassocks.

Keep up the good work.

Blogger MichaelJMaier November 02, 2019 2:10 PM  

Milo is way off the mark. The film is not mocking, it is encouraging and excusing.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 02, 2019 2:12 PM  

Thank the Lord for Milo and curses upon the useless conservative intellectuals who curse Milo. So Milo reframes what might have been a Jewish man's heretical treatment of Christ into a Christian tract, beats conservatism like a dirty rug.

Blogger Rick November 02, 2019 2:12 PM  

Esmar - you prove my point. I don’t agree with JF about what the movie is about (though he may be right that that was the artist’s intent). Yet we both find things that appeal to us in it. I think it’s because everything in the film is true.
Hemingway said of Old Man and the Sea, that “the old man is just an old man and the sharks are just sharks. All the crap about symbolism in it is just crap.” The story was “true” which was what he was always after and why the story appealed to so many in different ways.
To me the Joker is a tragic comedy (among other things). I feel for him the first half then repelled. I don’t know if I’m seeing reality or what the Joker imagines. It’s up-setting and brilliant. The parts I don’t like, others will, etc.

Blogger C.B. Robertson November 02, 2019 2:13 PM  

What scares the powers that be isn't Christian in origin. Jesus said to think not of the morrow, that he who lives by the sword will die by his sword, to turn the other cheek and love one's enemies. To care for such things is to hold one's treasure on Earth rather than in heaven. Blessed are the merciful, the peacemakers, the mourning, etc. Everything I love most about VD is what sets him diametrically at odds with these sermon on the mount "virtues." I'm glad other people enjoyed this excellent movie, but it's irritating to see Christianity interpreted as whatever the Christian in question wants it to be, citing a single verse as plausible support, rather than the overarching spirit, which is patiently pacifistic in anticipation of this world passing away.

If we should be willing to re-evaluate ALL of our beliefs, including China, free trade, and so forth, religion should not be excluded.

Blogger Gettimothy November 02, 2019 2:16 PM  

"rather than the overarching spirit, which is patiently pacifistic in anticipation of this world passing away."

Pacifist this

Blogger Steb November 02, 2019 2:17 PM  

The filmmakers came across as sincere, rather than mocking. They were economically leftist, constantly criticises cuts to public services, but there was no morally leftist message that I could see.

And note that the street gang that attacks Fleck is ethnic, unlike Taxi Driver, which made the pimps white. Note also that Fleck's initial reaction to them was to say that they were just kids: the liberal response. In some ways it was a kind of liberal version of Death Wish - he tried to uphold the liberal world view for as long as possible but finally embraced violence when his liberalism provoked nothing but hostility in the people around him.

I strongly recommend seeing it if you haven't done yet.

Blogger Shimshon November 02, 2019 2:19 PM  

I think it's telling that the few words I have seen written on the movie by libertarians have been over the top in their adulation of the movie and its presentation of their principles.

Blogger VD November 02, 2019 2:22 PM  

Check out JF Gariépy for an actual review of the film

No. He's dishonest and unreliable.

Milo is way off the mark. The film is not mocking, it is encouraging and excusing.

You don't think it is mocking Christianity? You think it is encouraging and excusing Christianity?

Read better.

Blogger VD November 02, 2019 2:23 PM  

The filmmakers came across as sincere, rather than mocking.

You failed to grasp what they were mocking, as per Milo.

Blogger VD November 02, 2019 2:24 PM  

rather than the overarching spirit, which is patiently pacifistic in anticipation of this world passing away.

You're a moron. You know nothing about Christianity. Do not speak about Christianity again or you'll be banned for reprehensible ignorance.

Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 2:40 PM  

Re 19 'Sounds like you read the half of the Bible that appeals to your pacifist sensibilities, and used heretical scissors to excise Joel 3 telling men (even weak men) to beat their plowshares into swords. Not only that, but when the Roman legionaires inquired what they should do, Jesus did not scream pacifism, did he? Did Jesus tell these mighty soldiers to throw down their arms?

Hoss, you could not be wrong. Where did you get your spiritual training? What in the world was your pastor teaching?

If what you say is true, then there would be no Christian soldiers. What nonsense that would be.

Jesus was routinely in the face of heretics who presumed they were educated and righteous. They had pondered and interpreted the Torah and the Prophets so long, that their interpretation was hopelessly diluted of all spiritual power because of rabbinical teaching.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 02, 2019 2:44 PM  

The film is very expert about leaving openings so the watcher can choose to view the events multiple ways. You can choose to think that Thomas Wayne is innocent or you can choose to think that Thomas Wayne is guilty although you have to add a few things to do it.

But some things can't be denied. That Gotham is a liberal craphole that can't pick up garbage on the streets, has roving street gangs that steal and assault, is a place where wealthy drunks think they can lay hands on people, and firearms are banned; that's too obvious to be denied.

Blogger Alcuin November 02, 2019 2:44 PM  

And he that hath no sword, let him sell his coat and buy one. Luke 22:36

Blogger Raker_T November 02, 2019 2:46 PM  

From what I understand, the Yellow Vests are striving for a better negotiation of an already detailed and extensive Nanny arrangement. Brexit would have been awesome, an epic event, without exaggeration. I was at once hopeful and doubtful. Widespread apathy and weakness are but part of the consequences of not having help from Christ.
I don't advocate that every person in a country take the name of Christ tomorrow, that would be fake. But all this let's form a new party, let's boot them out of office so we can have Brexit; it's just politics. I have enough difficulty discerning the exact will of God in my own affairs, so what I say about an entire country should be taken carefully. That said, they'll never win unless they at least acknowledge what-who they're up against. Satan himself.
While the average family is very busy trying to figure out when to buy new, when to fix old, how to stay healthy, how to navigate office politics, and a thousand other things, the adversary is scheming in very detailed ways. Lying about government spending based on deceptive GDP reports, and that's one of their more obvious ones.
I used to say we need a Covenant Party USA, or Covenant States of America; but yesterday I questioned the sensibility of that, for the same reason that President Trump ran as a Republican. What we can do then is the Covenant Platform USA, whereby we acknowledge our need of Christ to help us with problems as a country, what we will do as our part of said covenant to come against the myriad schemes and widespread weakness. To strengthen hearts with righteous indignation.
#14 neat video man, neat video. Heartwarming, actually.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 2:47 PM  

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Take up Your Cross
(Matthew 16:24-28; Mark 8:34-38; Luke 9:23-27)
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 10:34-39

9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joel 3:9-14

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 2:51 PM
I am a soldier in the army of the Lord.

Blogger Rick November 02, 2019 3:20 PM  

I got an anti-Trump projection from the protesters in the movie. I swear I saw a papier-mâché blonde hair thing in someone’s hand in the crowd.
That doesn’t necessarily make it an anti-Trump movie (though it can be viewed that way). But it is a reflection of current mood in half the country (I say it’s a 3rd at best).

Blogger Gettimothy November 02, 2019 3:37 PM  

Praying for Milo. The Holy Spirit is moving on him

Blogger steve November 02, 2019 3:48 PM  

But doesn't Milo represent the "dead end of hedonistic degeneracy"?

Blogger Angela November 02, 2019 3:59 PM  

This gave me chills. Deus vult.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 02, 2019 3:59 PM  

What would be the point? Why would Christ rapture us off the planet just to make a cosmic U-turn and come back to it?

Yeah, the Rapture won't happen until the end of the world. Considering how pozzed our culture is these days, I think it's the perfect time for the Antichrist to show up. The mounting resistance to the poz suggests to me that the Antichrist will be the last hurrah of the SJWs before sanity returns.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 4:16 PM
Every sword cut hides hidden jujitsu moves. That is the basis for bunkai. I bet you cannot do 100 sword cuts but the adept can do 1000.

Blogger David Ray Milton November 02, 2019 4:18 PM  

Bring me those enemies who did not want me to rule and kill them in front of me.

Normies are going to be really mad when they finally realize how badly they’ve been used and lied to.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 02, 2019 4:19 PM  

This rapture thing. I don't like it. Who in their useless self indulging life thinks they are going to just get whisked away when there is hell and death to war with? Oh perhaps turning the other cheek enough wins such reward? That makes as much sense as hoping to be eaten, or deplatformed, last. It's a high form of Christcuckery.
Those that hope to be raptured away deserve to have these notions throat-punched out of them.

Blogger Jack Nickle November 02, 2019 4:22 PM  

“If we should be willing to re-evaluate ALL of our beliefs, including China, free trade, and so forth, religion should not be excluded.“

Be gone deceiver - you are trying to divert our focus from building and fixing to attacking Christianity.

This is why Owen bans so quickly.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 4:23 PM
The hand and the sword are one.

Blogger Nation-Deprived November 02, 2019 4:23 PM  

The filmmakers are mocking what is to come, but most of the SJWs reactions to the film are negative. Almost like the audience is more aware of how ominously real the film’s outcome could be...

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 02, 2019 4:28 PM  

The reaction of critics was quite interesting and very telling.

They just outright said, "you should not see this film."

They were desperate for this film to fail. Desperate for people to not see it.

Clearly, it had crossed a line into something SJWs fear above all things.

True subversive art.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 4:29 PM  

The post tribulation rapture Christians are not Zionists. We believe we must be prepared (see Matthew 25) because Jesus warned us in Matthew 24. We know we will suffer persecution. But YHWH has not appointed Christians to the Wrath of YHWH. Jesus comes back with the Abomination of Desolation as the defining moment. Then YHWH will abandon the reprobates to wrath. And then YHWH will destroy the Antichrist and and his minions, but some will reprobates will come to believe.

Pre-Tribuation Rapture Christians are the opposite. They believe they willbe magically whisked away before the Tribulation (that is not found in Scripture). They are Zionists.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 02, 2019 4:31 PM  

Spiritual WARFARE, folks.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 4:35 PM  

"After the Tribulation" is the Great Apostasy leads to worldwide persecutionnof Christians and the Antichrist emerges and then erects some abomination in the "hagia" the Holy Place.

Now what is the Hagia? I think I know, but most are Zionists and say it's the rebuilding of the Temple. That is nonsense as that defies the entire book of Hebrews. The Holy of Holies will never be filled again as Jesus accomplished it.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 4:41 PM
The wise virgins prepared for when Jesus arrives as the Groom to the Church. But the foolish virgins have run out of their supplies.

The sheep listen to the Good Shepherd and are righteous because they understood the Gospel. The prideful goats acknowledge the Lord but never grasped the Gospel. They did whatever they wanted and were cast into Gehenna.

Blogger steb November 02, 2019 4:44 PM  

VD wrote:The filmmakers came across as sincere, rather than mocking.

You failed to grasp what they were mocking, as per Milo.

It depends on what Milo meant by mocking. Joker becomes a mock saviour, using the word in the sense of 'mock turtle soup'. He isn't making fun of a genuine saviour, or the idea of salvation. At the climax of the film, when he stands on the police car, he is standing where a genuine saviour should have been.

It's more like a pagan film than a jewish one. Joker is an early attempt at what a saviour might be like, just like Christian prefigurements you can see in the pagan gods.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 02, 2019 4:50 PM  

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Blogger They Call Me Doctor Love ಠ_ಠ November 02, 2019 5:16 PM  

"In Russia there was a case some gypsies raped a girl in some cafe/bar, her father took ak47, 2 friends and killed them all. KILLED THEM ALL."

I'm glad Joe Mategna's character in Thinner got his own spin-off

Blogger Nostromo November 02, 2019 5:21 PM  

Historical question, did Rabbi's exist before the destruction of the Temple by the Roman's? Or were they the way jews could keep convincing themselves that they were Gods Chosen people?

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 5:33 PM  

Make your actions count in expressing righteous fury.

"Even if one's head were to be suddenly cut off, he should be able to do one more action with certainty. The last moments of Nitta Yoshisada are proof of this . Had his spirit been weak, he would have fallen the moment his head was severed. Recently, there is the example of Ono Doken. These actions occurred because of simple determination. With martial valor, if one becomes like a revengeful ghost and shows great determination, though his head is cut off, he should not die."

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 02, 2019 5:35 PM  

It was interesting to watch as the studio tried to trigger a young white man into a mass shooting to help sell tickets, while simultaneously mocking the legitimate anger that could cause just that.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 02, 2019 5:41 PM  

"After the Tribulation" is the Great Apostasy leads to worldwide persecutionnof Christians and the Antichrist emerges and then erects some abomination in the "hagia" the Holy Place.

The Great Apostasy has already happened. It's better known as the Second Vatican Council.

Blogger Unknown November 02, 2019 6:25 PM  

"People in western Europe have very little guns"

This war, if it is to be waged successfully, will require very little use of guns. It requires righteous anger and will.

"But doesn't Milo represent the "dead end of hedonistic degeneracy"?"

While Milo isn't, and probably never will walk thru the streets in sack cloth and ashes, he does seem to realize his earlier mistakes and is at least publicly correcting course.

Blogger The Last Roman November 02, 2019 6:32 PM  

Almost every guy I know is either clueless, or really pissed off. Most of them have a military background ,or are currently serving. All of them are heavily armed.

Blogger Crush Limbraw November 02, 2019 6:33 PM  

Rapture vs. no rapture can easily become a pissing contest. I know - been there, done that.
The Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20) however is not some vague, ambiguous spiritual exercise - it is clear instruction!
I see the 'religious' awakening in my 5 Z-grandkids - with a little input from their hard ass grandpa - most of which is about reality and not Churchianity.
I agree with Milo on this - my gut says we're about to see things us oldsters SHOULDA done!

Blogger Rex Leroy King November 02, 2019 6:40 PM  

Depending on whether the relevant part of the film was a fantasy or not, the root of Fleck's disturbance was that he was adopted by a delusional young woman, then subjected to physical (at least) abuse by her boyfriends. One of the probable non-fantasy scenes has the adult Fleck helping his infirm mother bathe.

There are indications that many more of the scenes are fantasies than is at first apparent. I disliked the film so strongly that I won't be rewatching it, but perhaps others can dig into it. The murder of the other clown using scissors strikes me as false. Climbing into the refrigerator is too obviously symbolic to be real. But note that the film hints he murdered the mulatta and her daughter while not showing it: I think that means it was real.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 02, 2019 6:43 PM  

People in western Europe have very little guns
You assume they don't.
Or that they can't get them.
There's a lot of k98s floating around people don't know about.

Blogger Ken Prescott November 02, 2019 6:44 PM  

Every knee shall bend, even if we have to break 'em ourselves...

Blogger Christian Gone Fishin' November 02, 2019 6:53 PM  

This post was...sublime. I mean that sincerely. I was deeply blessed by being reminded of the vengeance that I won't have to take, because it is the LORD's. Thanks, Vox.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 02, 2019 6:55 PM  

@58 Like I said, the movie allows you to read things into it.
Fleck could be Thomas Wayne's bastard - Wayne has the money, the power, and the medical connections to fix the paperwork. If you want to believe that. But it looks like a lot of paperwork to fix, a lot of detail, so it's unlikely. Yet many viewers do believe this.
Similarly, the movie doesn't show Fleck leaving Sophie's apartment. He might have killed her, he might not have. But I don't think he killed the little girl because all throughout the movie the one thing that brings Fleck pleasure is those rare moments that he has the opportunity to make a child happy.
We can be pretty sure Fleck killed the investment bankers - there's a citywide incompetent manhunt for whoever did it. And after the scissors-kill the cops do come for him, stupidly, which indicates that it's real.

Blogger Primus Pilus November 02, 2019 7:05 PM  

andrisf wrote:People in western Europe have very little guns, with some exceptions, like Italy.

The will to fight is far more important than the particular tools at hand.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 02, 2019 7:13 PM  

I've heard this movie actually made more money than Avengers Endgame when figuring in the cost of producing it. And also that it's the highest grossing rated R film of all time.

Blogger Rex Leroy King November 02, 2019 7:26 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:Similarly, the movie doesn't show Fleck leaving Sophie's apartment. He might have killed her, he might not have. But I don't think he killed the little girl because all throughout the movie the one thing that brings Fleck pleasure is those rare moments that he has the opportunity to make a child happy.

In one of the closely succeeding scenes, there are ambulance sirens in the background. He killed them both. We don't see that because he's ashamed of it.

He didn't kill the big Chechen from Barry, and he didn't kiss the midget on the head. That was fantasizing.

Blogger andrisf November 02, 2019 7:28 PM  

@63 Only someone who has never been at war or shot at can think like that.
Willingness to fight decreases in people proportional to lead, steel and explosives thrown in their direction, ESPECIALLY if they can't throw back anything similar or at least comparable. Yes there are exceptions, some will fight to the death, but that is such a minority it is not worth mentioning.
How many, do you think, modern men in west will be able to whistand actual, trained and well organized people actually shooting at them and not with rubber bullets, but with real bullets or even something worse and not to scare but to kill on sight?
It is always very high spirits and bravado when people talk about fights to come, especially fights with great evil and how all people need is will and faith, but i have seen very devote guys being cut down by 152 mm shells and no, God did not helped them, while well made trench would have, or even better counter fire from our, sadly nonexistent artillery....

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 7:38 PM  

If only we were discussing "modern" men. The Modern period is from 1500-1800 AD.

This is the postmodern period now and 75% of Americans can't pass the loose requirements for Basic Training in the US Army which is the least requirement level. The NCOs are pulling out their close cropped hair.

Blogger Rick November 02, 2019 7:40 PM  

Rex — it’s like a Rorschach test.
I might argue that everything after he says he stopped taking his meds and feels better is delusion. He’s schizophrenic. But the film seems to throw you off intensionally over and over from being completely understood. I’m not certain when he was getting his mother’s medical records that he wasn’t just reading his own.
Some things I thought were absurd were how Wayne just walks down alleys with his wife and young son in a city like that. Or Wayne is alone in a bathroom that anyone could walk into. I doubt Average Guy could have access to, say, Trump at almost anytime in his life, like that. Likewise, the social worker in the end is alone in his cell.
But it’s acceptable as a comic book adaptation.

Blogger Rick November 02, 2019 7:48 PM  

“ It is always very high spirits and bravado when people talk about fights to come, especially fights with great evil and how all people need is will and faith”

There is a great scene in Gone with the Wind when the sigma Rhett Butler tells the overly enthusiastic crowd he’s not interested in their war with the north because there isn’t a single cannon factory in the south.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 7:54 PM  

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Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 7:55 PM  

In American history, the Sioux (among other Plains Indians) created a Dakota Hole fire. It is dug to produce little light, uses little fuel, and a draft opening to produce intense heat with little ash.

American ranch hands scooped up dessicated cow "patties" and used that to produce an intense heat with discarded material.

In either case, besides being bushcraft knowledge, using very little fuel or literally manure, one can make a fine fire.

We do what we can with small but growing numbers and burn up whatever was formerly useless. No one denies the conflagration destroying leftist garbage now.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 8:04 PM  

7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Philippians 3:7-11

The Greek word is skybala meaning dung which is poorly translated in some versions as rubbish. Either makes my point.

Blogger Tim Gilley November 02, 2019 8:16 PM  

"Every knee shall bow." I have considered this phrase for years to understand the impact of what it means. Christians willfully ascent to bowing the knee, but the shocking part is the God Haters will also willfully bow the knee much to their surprise. Why? Because the created universe including God haters naturally submit to the Creator. The shock of this reality will be the beginning of their hell.

Blogger Steve Canyon November 02, 2019 8:32 PM  

God picks his messengers for a reason. His son was born to a poor carpenter and a virgin. He had murderers and whores follow his son. Why shouldn't he be able to use a homosexual and a billionaire to do his will?

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 02, 2019 8:44 PM  

I thought Joker was great. - Leftists slaughtering other Leftists is almost as good as watching Muslims kill each other.

Blogger Primus Pilus November 02, 2019 8:54 PM  

andrisf wrote:Only someone who has never been at war or shot at can think like that.

Blah blah blah. If you think I was saying "Militaries facing artillery just need to pray to win battles", you aren't only a doofus, you don't even understand the topic at hand.

Gun collections in the hands of American Boomers might as well be collections of Barbies.

Who cares what particular weapons people have access to if they will never use them.

Blogger xavier November 02, 2019 9:31 PM  

Dr J
But you must be willing to repent and makes amends.

Blogger xavier November 02, 2019 9:35 PM  

And Jesus told the soldiers to be content with their pay and obey legitimate orders. He also told us to render to Caeser what's his and render what to God's what his.
Jesus was never a pacifist.

Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 9:39 PM  

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Blogger Fergus November 02, 2019 9:41 PM  

For decades Independent Baptists felt homosexuals were reprobates as their lifestyle and identity were so ingrained (usually by early sexual abuse by adult heterosexuals and homosexuals and as teens groomed by adult homosexuals) that it was irreversable.

But there are Christian groups that minister and help them change. Look for ex-homosexual testimony. They give their lives to Christ and end up marrying and have the abundant life and families

Blogger Lazarus November 02, 2019 9:50 PM  

It sounds like the Cohen bros. No Country For Old Men in Clownface.

Blogger SirHamster November 02, 2019 10:02 PM  

xavier wrote:And Jesus told the soldiers to be content with their pay and obey legitimate orders.
You're mixing up John the Baptist with Jesus. (Luke 3) That said, it is still Christian.

Blogger Qualitarian November 02, 2019 11:58 PM  

Ah, mystic on main has returned to grace us with his coruscating wisdom!

Blogger mrpinks November 03, 2019 12:11 AM  

The one thing I learned here is that we need to get rid of this spammer Fergus!

Blogger Fergus November 03, 2019 1:01 AM  

Re 85 Be a man and make I statments instead of triangulating. I get it, your big brother always fought your battle, you pussy.

Blogger Legacy16 November 03, 2019 1:18 AM  

1) Phillipians 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
2) 1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Ergo, all will (eventually) confess willingly (by the Holy Spirit).

That said.... Vox, does this "the dead end of hedonistic degeneracy," include Milo himself? Yes, his degeneracy is a product of the society we need to fix.

Blogger James Lovebirch November 03, 2019 1:40 AM  

Fergus is this site's latest monument to the eternal self-importance of the boomer.

He keeps typing, and I keep not reading.

Blogger Fergus November 03, 2019 1:48 AM  

Re 88 Sounds like you have delusions of grandeur ie the pot calling the kettle black.

Blogger Korbin Ransley November 03, 2019 1:58 AM  

@6 That's the word that came to me. Important. It wasn't just compelling and well done, I described it as important to folks I know. Funny hearing some people talking about it. It's like they were watching a different film or had an alien mindset or frame of reference.

Milo is right. It's a masterpiece. Well crafted and well executed art. Theories and interpretations aside. I don't know what movie some of these people were watching.

It touches on so many issues, it inspires one to be more thoughtful and compassionate. Who were the villains? Who were the bad guys in the film? The circumstances of Fleck's downfall and "elevation". It defies attempts to be put in a left or right wing propaganda box.
Stunning, brilliant and unsettling art. At one point it was like the Joker was speaking to us.

At least conversation in the thread reverted to topics people were passionate and knowledgeable about. I wouldn't mind hearing Vox's take on the movie if he saw it.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums November 03, 2019 1:26 AM  

The film is mediocre as a standalone at best. As an origin story it's pretty good, the best take on Joker so far I would say.

It's interesting to see people not familiar with the Batman canon try to analyze it. Because it's from the villain's perspective the good guys will be sold as bad guys, very common strategy. Then add the whole mental-illness angle and the filmmakers are setting up an obvious bait and switch for future films. For example Thomas Wayne was sold as an uncouth, vile capitalist, but Thomas Wayne in the canon has always been the tough Alpha good guy.

Then add the Joker's name: Arthur Fleck (non-canon) >> A. Fleck >> Afleck >> the actor that's currently signed to play Batman.
Then add how in the Joker movie they play with the idea that Arthur Fleck might be Bruce Wayne's brother. In the canon Bruce Wayne had a brother, Thomas Wayne Jr, who in alternative timelines becomes the evil version of Batman: Owlman.

Guys, it's clear what they're doing. It's a dumb movie to rally around because the only thing that's memorable about it is its viral marketing campaign. If the MSM hates this movie so much, how come it still got a worldwide release?

You're not part of the counter-culture if you pretend-like an authorized movie (written and directed by a Hollywood jew btw).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 03, 2019 1:46 AM  

This forum is not about you, what you believe, or your interpretation of Scripture. Restrain yourself. When you find yourself typing in the comment box, ask yourself if you're actually adding anything to the conversation, or just telling everyone how sincere and virtuous you are.

Blogger Fergus November 03, 2019 2:44 AM  

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Blogger Fergus November 03, 2019 2:46 AM  

Re 91 States the obvious that the blog is not about me, then talks about me. Sounds like you're the confused one.

Blogger Korbin Ransley November 03, 2019 4:29 AM  

@93 With respect Sir I believe that is a moderator you are referring too, and I can't rightly recall reading a more patient and polite post from him.

You seem like a very knowledgeable and energetic person. Perhaps some chill might be in order. Infogalactic social might have a different feel to it, and lend itself to different forms, and frequency of expression. In my humble opinion it would be nice to read your comments there, and on this blog in the future.

It is not my intent to offend. Well wishes to you Sir.

Blogger Brett baker November 03, 2019 6:02 AM  

It's really easy for machine shops to crank out SMGs.

Blogger Avalanche November 03, 2019 8:12 AM  

@27 "That Gotham is a liberal craphole that can't pick up garbage on the streets, has roving street gangs that steal and assault, is a place where wealthy drunks think they can lay hands on people, and firearms are banned; that's too obvious to be denied."

OH! So you're saying it's San Francisco?! Also: LA, Boulder/Denver, NYC, Chicongo, etc. etc.
Got it.

Blogger Avalanche November 03, 2019 8:20 AM  

@59 "People in western Europe have very little guns
You assume they don't.
Or that they can't get them.
There's a lot of k98s floating around people don't know about."

And if they time it right; they can clear out the armories in the mosques on every street! Maybe when the muzzies are all out blocking the streets with their @sses in the air?

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 03, 2019 9:12 AM  

You are and you're blackpilled, neokike cuckservative evangelical Kosher nonsense divorced from reality ignores the fact that the reckoning has come and the revival shall commenced.

It's not going to be pretty, it's not going to be peaceful, but the reckoning has come and no attempt at reframing the starting phase as being some useless pyrrhic victory will change that it's only the start.

Putin is doing good by his people. The Yellow Vests have turned France on its head. To dishonestly reframe is to buy into the very kind of gnostic heresy that many of the cucks and out enemies believe.

And I will not stand for Heresy. Go repent or go fuck yourself, andrisf.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 03, 2019 3:01 PM  

Korbin Ransley wrote:I can't rightly recall reading a more patient and polite post from him.
So proud. Thank you for this.
This is the "Snidely advises you you're on the road to bannage" phase of the gamma meltdown. I've stopped expecting it to do any good.

Blogger Korbin Ransley November 03, 2019 7:58 PM  

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Blogger DourCdn November 03, 2019 9:33 PM  

God bless the russians, as for western europeans I cannot speak, but as someone born in portugal, as I look around I wonder what happened to those badass ancestors that lived the reconquista, forged a nation, allied with Crusaders and launched their own maritime crusades in the 15th and 16th centuries?

Blogger Korbin Ransley November 03, 2019 9:46 PM  

@99 Kek 8^)

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Blogger Unknown November 07, 2019 5:58 PM  

You guys just don't know how far fakery, lies and the status quo can go on..

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