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Friday, November 29, 2019

Your kung-fu waifu is not enough!

No matter how hard you bend over backward to appease SJWs, they will NEVER be content. It's not enough to have 90-pound butt-kicking science fiction princesses in the place of the traditional male hero, now they've got to be post-menopausal, overweight, butt-kicking science fiction crones who nevertheless remain inexplicably attractive to the handsome, wealthy heroes who desire them as much as they respect them:
As women get old, they gain a superpower: invisibility. And not only in real life. ‘Young adult’ fantasy and science-fiction hits such as Suzanne Collins’s novel series The Hunger Games and Stephenie Meyers’s Twilight series have been taken to task for doing away with mature women. In fantasy generally, older women mainly occupy supporting roles, such as fairy godmothers, wise crones and evil witches. The best are subversions — George R. R. Martin’s Queen of Thorns in A Song of Ice and Fire, for instance, or Terry Pratchett’s wonderful Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg in the Discworld series. All of them embrace old age with gusto.

I expected better from science-fiction novels, where alternative worlds and alien nations explore what it means to be human. In 1976, after all, Ursula K. Le Guin argued in her essay ‘The Space Crone’ that post-menopausal women are best suited to representing the human race to alien species, because they are the most likely to have experienced all the changes of the human condition. And Robert A. Heinlein offers a fantastic galactic grandmother in The Rolling Stones (1952): Hazel Stone, engineer, lunar colonist and expert blackjack player irritated by the everyday misogyny of the Solar System.

Over the past year, with support from such authors and readers all over the world, I’ve searched for competent, witty female elders in major roles in sci-fi novels. I found no shortage of fantastic female characters across the genre, from the gynocentric utopians of Charlotte Perkins Gilman’s 1915 Herland to mathematician Elma York in Mary Robinette Kowal’s 2018 The Calculating Stars. But I have so far confirmed just 36 English-language novels in the genre that feature old women as major figures. The earliest is Gertrude Atherton’s 1923 Black Oxen; the latest, from 2018, are Blackfish City by Sam J. Miller and Record of a Spaceborn Few by Becky Chambers.
It never stops. It never, ever, stops. This is why it is a mistake to even give them so much as a nanometer.

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Blogger cecilhenry November 29, 2019 9:48 AM  

The basis of leftism is envy.



Destroying White civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.


https://imgur.com/Zo7pk38.png




Daily reminder that if you’re White there are billions of people with a weird complex toward you where they simultaneously want to be you, be with you AND destroy you.

Blogger sammibandit November 29, 2019 9:51 AM  

As women get old, they gain a superpower: invisibility.

This is a feature, not a defect. If a female is properly situated in a family she doesn't care what non-relatives think of her power level by the time she's old. She's not threatened by younger females who have to put up with gammas. It's only the leftover females who bother to care about loss of beauty. What's gained by loss of beauty in making a family more than makes up for the loss.

Blogger Doug Cranmer November 29, 2019 9:59 AM  

For fuck's sake, this is Nature. A supposedly premier science research journal.

I had to click on the header to see if it was real. And what was the top article?

"Climate tipping points — too risky to bet against.

-- The growing threat of abrupt and irreversible climate changes must compel political and economic action on emissions. "

It's like what happened to the Scientific American of my youth. Back then it had solid real science review articles written by the original researchers themselves. And how-to articles on building vacuum chambers, reflector telescopes (grind your own lens), gas lasers and holograms.

Change can't come soon enough, but it will come.

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 29, 2019 10:02 AM  

Surprising that a woman who hit the wall in 1955 might think she would be best to represent humanity.

It was painful reading and I didn't finish. Jerry Pournelle wrote about something similar. How women used to take on different civic duties as they became mothers and grandmothers. Regular civic duties like school and library boards, soup kitchens and park boards.

That should be where our nurturing members of society should focus their energy.

Of course that can't be a man's role so these pseudo men want to do something else. No space will be left uninfiltrated. Even if that means people die or the human race is destroyed by aliens. The point is women are better at everything and if not we'll just pretend.

Blogger Quadko November 29, 2019 10:03 AM  

But boys don't want to become grandmothers...

Ah, right; boys are invisible, don't count, and should all forced to change into girls since there's no difference and they are already identical.


But now I want to know whose bigotry is preventing grandmothers from winning women's Olympic competitions?

Blogger exfarmkid November 29, 2019 10:03 AM  

"It never stops." Agreed. I just read the whole thing - Sylvia Wrigley is obviously crazy.

And this editorial is published in the premier journal Nature.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 29, 2019 10:03 AM  

Boomer women.

Blogger Bobiojimbo November 29, 2019 10:03 AM  

There is a video game where you play an old woman in a small village. Everyone is leaving the village for the city, including family, and you're trying to continue on making it on your own. Looked sad.

Blogger xevious2030 November 29, 2019 10:05 AM  

“where alternative worlds and alien nations explore what it means to be human”

One on the most disgusting things I’ve read. Nothing higher than the naval gazing non-existent human experience in the head of one, according to said. The pit has no bottom.

Think it was the Kurgan who said of finding ones self, put one hand on your head, one on your ass, and you’re somewhere in between. When the pit says explore, it means redefine by lie.

Blogger Nation-Deprived November 29, 2019 10:06 AM  

“Old men with deep expertise and experience throng sci-fi, from ancient keeper to eccentric mentor, retired badass and wasteland elder.“

These are all still supporting roles to a younger protagonist. At best the retired badass is forced into a John Wick situation, but you don’t typically see older characters eagerly jumping into the fray.

Blogger wreckage November 29, 2019 10:09 AM  

Stories don't tend to be about people who have status. They are about acquiring status.

Go an grab a shopping-trolley full of women's genre fiction and see how many are about old women. Zero. None.

The exploration of the nuances of established status and smoky regret are for literary novels, not genre adventure novels, for crying in a bloody bucket.

Blogger Joe Smith November 29, 2019 10:12 AM  

I knew I hated Nature for a reason. Bad magazine. If they have comments on their articles presumably they’re all, “yeah, but who wants to read sci-fi about old women?” No one, that’s who. Even this broad would put down a book about an old woman.

Blogger riffer73 November 29, 2019 10:18 AM  

At least Alita had a robot body.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( the British Royals are Lizard People. don't deny the IckeFLScience! ) November 29, 2019 10:20 AM  

12. Joe Smith November 29, 2019 10:12 AM
Even this broad would put down a book about an old woman.



that's only because Sylvia Wrigley is Ageist and Misogynist.

Blogger David Ray Milton November 29, 2019 10:26 AM  

So, I’m having a daughter in April (we found out the gender last week). I’m very excited and know she will be wonderful. My main goal as a parent with a daughter is to strongly protect and love her and then eventually find another guy who will do the same. I can do that and I’m not worried.

On a more comical level, I’m like “Don’t raise her to become Alyssa Milano,” which might be my whole raising a daughter ethos. I’ll even make her read stuff like this to scare her straight. “You see, if you wanna be INDEPENDENT, you’ll end up alone, petting your cats, and writing self-pity articles while drinking $5.99 Rose!”

Blogger English Tom November 29, 2019 10:27 AM  

So Crone's disease is about elderly women becoming invisible to society?

I thought it was something else!

Blogger English Tom November 29, 2019 10:28 AM  

@David Ray Milton

Congratulations man. Hope everything goes well.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 29, 2019 10:29 AM  

I caught some TV for the first time in a year because my family likes to have the Macy's parade on while everyone gets ready for dinner. The parade commentators were a black man and two older white women. There was one male country singer in the parade who might have been white; I didn't see his face. I didn't see a single national ad with a white man unless he was being schooled in something by a woman or minority. A typical ad had an older white woman sitting at the head of an enormous conference table bossing mostly non-white subordinates about something to do with technology at NFL games. There used to be a laughable amount of that; now it's 100%. Unsurprisingly, they didn't stop and level off when they got to equal or proportional representation.

Blogger David The Good November 29, 2019 10:34 AM  

Congrats, David. Good work.

Blogger Tars Tarkas November 29, 2019 10:36 AM  

They will never be happy because they hate themselves and they hate the world for not liking them. Resentment is what drives them.
They don't want to be judged because they know they will fail to meet the standard. It just burns them up. That is why they want to change everything to be mediocre. They want to end judgement itself.

Blogger wreckage November 29, 2019 10:46 AM  

@20, not quite. When everything is utterly beige, mediocre and pointless, they just know the handsome boy will realise how special they were all along!

Blogger JG November 29, 2019 10:48 AM  

It'll never be realistic until our heroine's space ship is filled with stinky litter boxes.

Blogger Oswald November 29, 2019 10:53 AM  

This is more attempts at thought control and social engineering by SJWs. The old books that are out there, are out there mainly because of market forces. That is what people wanted to read. Now due to their (SJWs) efforts to indoctrinate people in schools and now through social media, people's tastes may have changed. We can't discount that evil has did a good job of deluding people. The best way to combat this is for each man in his own realm of influence to continue to point out the lunacy of the left. This is not the time to remain silent in the face of evil.

Blogger Beau November 29, 2019 10:56 AM  

@David Ray Milton

Congratulations. On the day of my first daughters birth I had a moment of panic, "I don't know what to do. I've never done this before!" Then God spoke to me,

"Teach her these three things: Daddy loves her, Mommy love her, and God loves her. Because if she knows Daddy loves her, later when it's time for her to pick a guy, she'll probably pick a good one because she knows what a good one is like (it's like teaching Treasury agents how to spot counterfeit money), if she knows Mommy loves her, then she will be secure in her identity as a woman, and if she knows those two things, it naturally leads to the third, God loves her, which, if she knows that, no matter where she goes, she will be a success."

The wisdom of those words spoken to me has been bourne out. I have three lovely daughters, two married to excellent men, the third still in college. I especially cherish the memories of them as little girls when they were crying I'd ask them, "Did you forget?" Puzzled, they'd respond, "Forget what Daddy?" I'd say, "Daddy loves you." That would usually end or ameliorate their tears.

Congratulations again David. Your daughter is a fortunate girl.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( the British Royals are Lizard People. don't deny the IckeFLScience! ) November 29, 2019 10:59 AM  

CJ Cherryh did a book series with an old woman in it.

it was pretty crap.

Blogger Dire Badger November 29, 2019 11:03 AM  

Femenism has always been about old, ugly, unpleasant whores trying to force men to prefer them over young, nubile, attractive and sweet virgins.

It's a game as old as time. and it just never works... but when men are weak and foolish enough to pretend that women's 'intelligence', 'independence', 'spirit', 'leadership', and 'strength' actually matters for too long, they get uppity and have to be slapped down HARD.

Men always have and always will value four things in females. Youth, health/fertility, engagement (The ability not to bore them), and biddability (do what they are told, and not embarrass or arouse them inconveniently) and no amount of trying to alter public perceptions or change men will ever change that.

Blogger NateM November 29, 2019 11:05 AM  

The Boys is still pretty flawed but it shows a more cynical view where heroes are largely selected for attractiveness and act like prima donnas with God like power. They are basically the super powered versions of the way we treat celebrities and athletes, where if any one of the zuschauers find fault with them,the others shout them down as "Haters". Then of course the corporate overlords in the series regularly seem to manipulate public opinion and even blackmail to keep their money machine printing

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 29, 2019 11:08 AM  

Prepubescent girls can't vote yet nor hold political office. They will keep pushing. Greta for world president! They'll push even further but the scam is already being revealed and the push back has begun.

Blogger David The Good November 29, 2019 11:09 AM  

No, Vox - it's an opportunity!

"science fiction could and should explore new roles for female elders as multifaceted beings. Authors have an opportunity here. With so few venerable women in major roles, a single novel including a new manifestation (say, a crime-solving octogenarian tribble rancher or a trans woman over 50) could completely change the landscape."

It would sell millions!

Blogger rcocean November 29, 2019 11:12 AM  

Forget about interesting, well-written novels, the most important thing is having the *right kind* of characters and identity politics. This is Scalzi's Literary World, I hope he likes it.

Blogger Brett baker November 29, 2019 11:18 AM  

John Ringo explains why the elderly aren't quite as valuable as they think in The Last Centurion.

Blogger dienw November 29, 2019 11:24 AM  

roles for female elders as multifaceted beings
Zey're called witches.

Blogger VFM Bear November 29, 2019 11:30 AM  

OK Boomer lady.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 29, 2019 11:50 AM  

Too bad we can't repeal the affirmative action laws and Women's suffrage. Here are some old krones in both parties that really should be at home baking cookies or maybe something local for their communities:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/27/women-lead-house-committees-073654

The girl/woman power BS simply won't end.

Blogger Annabel Lee November 29, 2019 12:00 PM  

Is this Sailer’s 1st law of female journalism in action? Sure seems like it.

Blogger Dire Badger November 29, 2019 12:14 PM  

dienw wrote: roles for female elders as multifaceted beings

Zey're called witches.


There's a reason good men were not supposed to suffer witches to live. When they get old and nasty and are no longer under a Man's control they lose all reason and become destroyers.

Blogger English Tom November 29, 2019 12:23 PM  

@Al K. Annosow

But imagine when Greta is old, imbued with the wisdom of the cosmos. Surely the human race will then enter a golden age!

Blogger S1AL November 29, 2019 12:29 PM  

I eagerly await the announcement of the the upcoming anthology "Harpies, Hags, and Harridans: Otherworldly Adventures of the Post-Menopausal and Plump".

Blogger The CronoLink November 29, 2019 12:37 PM  

Heinlein did that? What a moron.

Blogger The CronoLink November 29, 2019 12:38 PM  

A space crone decrying misogyny, while also writing about sexual freedoms and orgies, geez. Has anyone read that story mentioned, was it any good or interesting?

Blogger VFM #7634 November 29, 2019 12:41 PM  

Meanwhile, in the real world...

Not too long ago I read about some woman in her 40s who had a boyfriend who was ten years younger. The relationship failed because she was infertile and it ate at her that she was depriving her boyfriend of progeny.

Blogger Joe Smith November 29, 2019 12:54 PM  

@David the Good Aha! A trans woman. That way men can be the best women in sci-fi in addition to being he best women in women’s sports and everywhere else men in dresses compete with women.

An old ultra experienced badass man in a dress to mentor the main character.

Blogger David Ray Milton November 29, 2019 12:59 PM  

Thanks everyone. And thanks @beau for the fatherly wisdom. I remember you posting about your health not long ago and I hope you’re doing well.

Blogger Zaklog the Great November 29, 2019 1:38 PM  

@15 Good for you, man. We've got two boys, still hoping and praying for a third child. It's not easy, but it it is absolutely and without a doubt worth it.

Blogger Warunicorn November 29, 2019 2:56 PM  

Oh, Sylvia, STFU.

Lord, I despise these self-righteous harridans.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz November 29, 2019 3:00 PM  

The kick-ass older woman is SF?
Here is the Polish version:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/8d/7a/c68d7a05a4e49be3a9b2a9dbe1af25da.jpg

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 29, 2019 3:01 PM  

I think positive representations of undead boomer women are being neglected by media. Specifically the post woodchipper variety.

Blogger Glaivester November 29, 2019 3:55 PM  

@41:

Not too long ago I read about some woman in her 40s who had a boyfriend who was ten years younger. The relationship failed because she was infertile and it ate at her that she was depriving her boyfriend of progeny.

Wow. That's actually pretty decent behavior.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa November 29, 2019 4:15 PM  

Wow, what a whiny screed. Her children must be so embarrassed.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 29, 2019 4:30 PM  

@35 - Not just that: all these stronk independent wise old wommmn are, despite their protests to the contrary, quite pissed to have to pay their own freight later in life, and are still pining powerful for that ole Pussy Pension.

Blogger jkmack November 29, 2019 4:51 PM  

If Aliens attack earth by trying to flood it with wine, strong middle aged women will heroically consume the vast volumes of liquid and save us all, only pausing to complain about how unfair life is, and to pet the occasional cat.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica November 29, 2019 5:19 PM  

What about Mystery Fiction? You have a lot of older people in Mystery Fiction (both male and female) since much of that is based on experience and observation, not gung-ho physicality. (Although an older character might have a younger, more physical sidekick to do the fightin' for them, if things get scary.)

Blogger Pseudotsuga November 29, 2019 5:35 PM  

Mrs Pollifax is going to come and give a stern lecture to the original poster, before stabbing her in the eyes with her knitting needles.

Blogger stevo November 29, 2019 8:04 PM  

Every now and then I feel the need to read a book about an old woman....

Blogger Avalanche November 29, 2019 8:16 PM  

@4 "Regular civic duties like school and library boards, soup kitchens and park boards."

Would YOU want to be -- can you even imagine yourself -- being limited to only those brain-deadening jobs? Certainly there are some women who would enjoy such work. There are others who would be driven not-so-slowly insane. "The Feminine Mystique" was, on the one hand a subversion intending to infect and succeeding in destroying our civilization. On the other, it was also, for some large number of women, an accurate description of the HELL that is an empty life. Children after a certain ago, women-who-lunch, PTA meetings, and learning to paint become stultifying.

It's a probably unsolvable problem. How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life? Or are we to become 'ladies companions' if we've enough education and skills to do so, and to prostitution if we don't? There are no longer farm families needing everyone to pitch in.

Blogger Player 2 November 29, 2019 8:29 PM  

Yes, it is surprising that there aren't more happy old feminists achieving greatness in society in science fiction. One would think with it not ever, ever happening in real life, anywhere, the idea of exploring it in speculative fiction would be appealing to at least a few old cat ladies on Wattpad.

Blogger Crew November 29, 2019 9:01 PM  

The biggest problem in Science Fiction, in my view, is all those writers who pretend that women can do all the things that men are good at despite women clearly not being good at them.

Like fighter pilots and etc. I guess they have never asked Hultgreen.

Blogger MrNiceguy November 29, 2019 9:36 PM  

Thank you for this, Beau. My own daughter is home from college for Thanksgiving, and earlier today I had a sit-down talk with her boyfriend asking for my permission to propose. I had a lot of hesitation - they've only known each other a few months. But I think God just spoke to me using your words.

And congratulations also, David. A daughter is a blessing.

Blogger MrNiceguy November 29, 2019 9:39 PM  

Cats have no shame.

Blogger sammibandit November 29, 2019 10:13 PM  

It's a probably unsolvable problem. How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life? Or are we to become 'ladies companions' if we've enough education and skills to do so, and to prostitution if we don't? There are no longer farm families needing everyone to pitch in.

Why do you think whammen are owed entertainment or their desires saited whether they have kids or not? This is a profoundly dysgenic mindset and a discretely anti-western one. There's an opportunity sink in catering to the whims of sad whammen. And it's not like sad people give good solutions to problems anyway. Sadness is self-serving and seeks to recreate itself, not terminate itself.

It's only a post WWII problem that whammen don't have enough to do, and it's a problem without merit because human nature doesn't change. As such it's no surprise that in the most egalitarian Scandinavian societies that anti-depressant usage keeps going up, and up, and up for boomer whammen. Whammen are simply dis-eased with acting like men. Acting more like men won't do anything good.

Taking advice from the enemy, and to be clear Betty Friedan is one of them, is never advisable. The premise of her crap book is that whammen aren't heard. Frankly, the only whammen not being heard from are the happy ones. They're busy.

Blogger Kat November 30, 2019 12:26 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@4 "Regular civic duties like school and library boards, soup kitchens and park boards."

Would YOU want to be -- can you even imagine yourself -- being limited to only those brain-deadening jobs? Certainly there are some women who would enjoy such work. There are others who would be driven not-so-slowly insane. "The Feminine Mystique" was, on the one hand a subversion intending to infect and succeeding in destroying our civilization. On the other, it was also, for some large number of women, an accurate description of the HELL that is an empty life. Children after a certain ago, women-who-lunch, PTA meetings, and learning to paint become stultifying.


Turn off Mad Men and look around you. There are ample opportunities for domestically and community oriented intelligent women to thrive. The homeschooling community is full of them. Most volunteer organizations (IME) need them. Life is as boring as you make it.

Blogger Haus frau November 30, 2019 12:49 AM  

@55
"Would YOU want to be -- can you even imagine yourself -- being limited to only those brain-deadening jobs? Certainly there are some women who would enjoy such work. There are others who would be driven not-so-slowly insane. "The Feminine Mystique" was, on the one hand a subversion intending to infect and succeeding in destroying our civilization. On the other, it was also, for some large number of women, an accurate description of the HELL that is an empty life. Children after a certain ago, women-who-lunch, PTA meetings, and learning to paint become stultifying.

It's a probably unsolvable problem. How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life? Or are we to become 'ladies companions' if we've enough education and skills to do so, and to prostitution if we don't? There are no longer farm families needing everyone to pitch in."


How many children have you birthed?

Blogger LeeWillyMinifees November 30, 2019 2:27 AM  

People are supposed to have at least three kids. An old woman should have at least 7 grandkids.

Trust me, they wouldn't have time to get bored or feel empty running a household at that scale.

Blogger Dire Badger November 30, 2019 5:38 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@4 "Regular civic duties like school and library boards, soup kitchens and park boards."

It's a probably unsolvable problem. How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life? Or are we to become 'ladies companions' if we've enough education and skills to do so, and to prostitution if we don't? There are no longer farm families needing everyone to pitch in.


To be fair, it's not all about you.

There have always been women who break the mold. While I disagree with the 'large numbers of women', There will always be women who rebel at the brain-deadening roles and who are capable of more.

They simply don't matter.

Imagine how many men are stuck in mind-numbing dead-end jobs. Do you really think it is any different for them? While I admit that it is anecdotal, I grew up in heavy Liberal Maryland culture... Those 'free and creative' women are stuck in much the same mind-numbing loop of stupidity and despair as any woman 'forced' into a life of home and hearth. They cope, if they survive, with a steady diet of alcoholism, cheating to feel 'alive', vicious infighting for status with other women, and antidepressants.

Blogger wreckage November 30, 2019 5:54 AM  

What possible reason would stop an intelligent woman with an intelligent husband and intelligent children from enjoying a middle age and older life of meaningful labour and pleasurable leisure?

I know a great many middle-aged and older matriarchs, some of formidable intellect and personality, and not only do none of them live in this weird hell you describe, I cannot even imagine them being such profound failures of self-direction as to inflict it on themselves.

Blogger VD November 30, 2019 7:23 AM  

How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life?

You don't. So choose, one or the other. Do you really think those "death-within-life" women are seriously going to prefer life without plumbing, male protection, or central heating?

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 30, 2019 9:31 AM  

I'm a GenX grandma & I don't want to read anything about old menopausal women, fiction or otherwise, so I can't imagine anyone else would, either.
Go play with your grandkids, leave everyone else alone. Everything written by women is about them. I'm to the point where I check to see who authored whatever I'm about to read before I read it so I know what personal bullshit they are trying to push on me.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 30, 2019 9:35 AM  

The best thing you can do is be a huge part of her life and teach her to shoot guns, hunt, fish, work with tools, garden, etc., and make her your "buddy."
9 times our of 10 those girls turn out ok.
Congrats from a grandma of 8 & growing.

Blogger Haus frau November 30, 2019 10:45 AM  

Most readers enjoy imagining themselves as the protagonist. No one wants to imagine themselves as an old, fat woman.

Blogger Crew November 30, 2019 11:19 AM  

Casey Valera swiveled her pilot's chair towards Blake Meade, who had been asleep at his tactical console for fifteen minutes. Watching carefully for any signs of stirring she soundlessly slid the sequined purple sneaker off her right foot. She had waited just long enough for the ship's Tactical Specialist to drift off into a deep and comfortable sleep;

That is part of the first para of a novel that claims to be Science Fiction.

What shit! I am glad I did not buy it and only downloaded a sample!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 30, 2019 2:06 PM  

Haus frau wrote:How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life?
Those women are sentenced to death-within-life anyway. No matter what they do, they will be miserable harpies, never satisfied, a burden on all how know them, leading fruitless, wasted lives that end in a miserable death, and possibly being eaten by their cats.
It's not what you do, what you have or what you accomplish that makes you happy.

Blogger Haus frau November 30, 2019 2:50 PM  

@71

"
How do you support civilization and child-rearing, without also sentencing some large number of women to death-within-life"

This is a quote from avalanche not me.
My own comme t is the very last line asking how many children she has birthed. Avalanche has stated she is a childless, boomer widow who spent her career in the navy. What exactly would she know about the struggles women experience creating and raising a family?

Blogger Haus frau November 30, 2019 2:54 PM  

@71 i experienced a short career before marrying and becoming a full time qife and mother to my trio. There is absolutely no shortage of mind numbing, soul-killing work on the career path.

Blogger sammibandit November 30, 2019 3:22 PM  

This reminds me of something Theodore Dalrymple said in one of his books,

Of the thousands of patients I have seen, only two or three have ever claimed to be unhappy: all the rest have said that they were depressed. This semantic shift is deeply significant, for it implies that dissatisfaction with life is itself pathological, a medical condition, which it is the responsibility of the doctor to alleviate by medical means. Everyone has a right to health; depression is unhealthy; therefore everyone has a right to be happy (the opposite of being depressed). This idea in turn implies that one’s state of mind, or one’s mood, is or should be independent of the way that one lives one’s life, a belief that must deprive human existence of all meaning, radically disconnecting reward from conduct. A ridiculous pas de deux between doctor and patient ensues: the patient pretends to be ill, and the doctor pretends to cure him. In the process, the patient is wilfully blinded to the conduct that inevitably causes his misery in the first place.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 30, 2019 3:43 PM  

Haus frau wrote:This is a quote from avalanche not me.
Sorry. I should read more carefully.

Blogger Headmistress, zookeeper November 30, 2019 10:51 PM  

I've read Heinlein's Rolling Stones. It is one of his juveniles, delightful, hilarious, good fun. The elderly Hazel is a hoot- and, apparently missed by the Nature author, she is very deeply nestled in the bosom of her family. She lives with her son and daughter-in-law and their family, which includes four grandchildren. She helps home-school them.

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