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Thursday, December 12, 2019

A letter to Nick Fuentes

I sent Nick Fuentes the following email this morning.

Dear Nick,

I have been informed that you are willing to debate me so long as the subject is not related to the Holocaust. Very well. I propose a written debate concerning your following assertion:

Americans have to live with multiracialism.

I suggest we limit our entries to 2,500 words each, with no more than three entries apiece. As you will be arguing in the affirmative, I am willing to let you have the first word. I also suggest that we agree either party is permitted to publish the entire debate verbatim.

Please email me your first entry at your earliest convenience. I will post it at my blog without modification or comment.

Regards,

Vox


UPDATE: There are indications that Nick has already run away a second time, despite his professed willingness to debate. Since I cannot attest to the veracity of the report from one of the comments here, we'll wait and see.

A few superchatters asked Nick about your new debate request last night... he responded that your audience is too small to be worth debating.

If he actually said that - and we don't know that he did - it doesn't speak well for his time preferences or his ability to think strategically.


UPDATE: It's confirmed. Little Nicky runned away. Again.
Save Western Civilization Now says Vox Day wants to challenge you to a written debate on whether a multiracial society is inevitable. Do you think you're going to accept a written debate with Vox Day?

"No, I don't think I'm interested in that. I only debate people that are relevant."
So he considers Ben Shapiru, of all people, to be relevant? I was initially willing to reserve judgement, but now it's clear that Owen was right about him. What a pathetic little snake. It's going to be amusing to see young nationalists turn on him with a vengeance once they begin to see through his act.

And let's not forget his previous comments.

"I don't want to debate him because it's too boring, dude, it's too boring. Everybody would think that would be exciting, but, I can tell you for a fact that there would be no entertainment value in debating somebody as boring and as slow as Vox Day. So the guy's boring, and he's irrelevant, you know, who's watching the Darkstream? If he can pull more than 2000 viewers concurrent watching the Darkstream, maybe I'd consider him worth my time, but, I mean the guy's a has-been, you could say he never was. You know, this is somebody who's been floating around on the scene like writing books? And, what does he have to show for it? Infogalactic? A gay comic book? You know, all these like just stupid projects that don't go anywhere."

I find it tremendously informative to observe that this little moron actually considers Amazon bestsellers and multiplatinumum-selling games to be less relevant than 2,000 concurrent YouTube viewers. He's never paid a bill in his life. To say that he's not ready for prime time is a gargantuan understatement.

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Blogger Tomato bear December 12, 2019 8:03 AM  

Let the beatings begin.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 12, 2019 8:06 AM  

Thanks for this nearly thankless task there Vox. Honestly the dimwitted kid could just link to any NPR broadcast circa the Bush II era and earlier and be done with it while throwing in some virtue signaling as conservatives are wont to do when challenged from the right.

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2019 8:13 AM  

I would never accept a written debate with Vox or a live one with the Big Bear. The former is too adept with dialectic and the latter with rhetoric. You have to either know your limitations or take your lumps, and Nick doesn't look like the type to do either gracefully.

Blogger Silent Draco December 12, 2019 8:15 AM  

I hope he can answer the request with some coherent, succinct writing to develop and defend his side of the thesis. Very kind of the SDL to select the playing surface and number of sets. Who becomes the umpire for this mental tennis match?

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei December 12, 2019 8:27 AM  

"Multiracialism is a concept or ideology that promotes a society composed of various races, while accepting and respecting different cultural backgrounds."

Jesus wept.

Blogger David Ray Milton December 12, 2019 8:27 AM  

If you want to do this the easiest way, you can probably just throw him a few nickels in a superchat and he’ll happily concede defeat.

Blogger JACIII December 12, 2019 8:28 AM  

It will be interesting to hear how Nick squares this circle.

Blogger kmbr December 12, 2019 8:31 AM  

Nice.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 8:36 AM  

Who becomes the umpire for this mental tennis match?

There is no need for one. The beauty of the written debate is that the audience is the umpire.

Blogger RobertDWood December 12, 2019 8:38 AM  

The only redoubt available to Nick will be that the affirmative case is there least of two evils as it will not compel genocidal fracturing of the present day, only the day to come in a few decades. Very untenable.

Blogger Rick December 12, 2019 8:48 AM  

Nick should accept even if just to find out if he’s right. I mean, I don’t want to believe things if they’re untrue. I ask tons of questions. Always have.

Blogger peacefulposter December 12, 2019 8:52 AM  

When Nick says that "exactly" 6 million died in the Holocaust, as he did in the Milo interview, you know he doesn't really believe it. Nor does he really believe in a multiracialism.

He just says those things to stay on YT and keep earning the shekels.

Good for VD and BB to call him out on that.

Blogger megabar December 12, 2019 8:56 AM  

I hope this goes off. I'm a huge fan of good-faith written debate, and am curious to see the arguments both ways. I go back and forth wondering if a multiracial society can survive, given reasonable rules -- which of course we don't currently have. I'd love to see other thoughts on it.

Verbal debates are decided largely by being a quicker thinker and being more able to control your emotions. Both are fine skills, but irrelevant to finding out who's correct.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 8:56 AM  

He just says those things to stay on YT and keep earning the shekels.

I don't have a problem with people seeking to maintain their viability and avoid being deplatformed. But it doesn't even rise to the level of honesty exhibited by Jordan Peterson, which is an obvious problem.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 12, 2019 9:06 AM  

He either won't respond at all or respond and explain why he's too busy to debate. Either way it'll be a useful exercise in determining his character. Time for Nicky to put on his big boy pants.... And bowtie of course.

Blogger Requited Hate December 12, 2019 9:07 AM  

He won’t agree to this. His use of rhetoric won’t be as effective in a written format.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 12, 2019 9:09 AM  

Even Humanity's Greatest Thinker would be more adventurous than to repeat the 6 gorillion number. He would have a "thought experiment" asking what would Hitler do in that situation. Then he would say, "Well, gee, I don't know, if you were Adolf Hitler, why stop at 6 million?"

Blogger VFM Bear December 12, 2019 9:15 AM  

Will mommy be allowed to help him with his homework?

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2019 9:17 AM  

Nick should accept even if just to find out if he’s right. I mean, I don’t want to believe things if they’re untrue. I ask tons of questions. Always have.

That is true and I agree and do the same, and it is arguably autistic. It took me awhile to realize that it was not normal to just ask random questions of random strangers.

Because it worked a lot of the time, so why not? (Spoiler: it disturbs others.)

Blogger Miguel December 12, 2019 9:24 AM  

Nick is Italian and Latino (and "2% black"), so no surprise that he wants to force upon Americans his self-serving view of what a nation can be.

It will be a massacre.

Blogger Mr. Deficient December 12, 2019 9:25 AM  

I've enjoyed nicks show on and off. I hope this defeat can temper him if it goes through.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 12, 2019 9:27 AM  

I realize this is more relevant to the interview post, but it’s still about Fuentes, so close enough. Taking an interview with the fake news is bad enough, but may have been an excusable mistake. Allowing them into your house for a week? Really? That is just foolish beyond belief.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 12, 2019 9:29 AM  

Amerimutts have a messed up view of race. It's a side effect of extensive race mixing to the point that whatever tribe used to be there is untraceable.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 12, 2019 9:30 AM  

It took me awhile to realize that it was not normal to just ask random questions of random strangers.

Worked great for Socrates…until it didn’t. On the other hand, if I could be remembered as long as he’s been, I might accept the hemlock as part of the price.

Blogger Rightrage December 12, 2019 9:33 AM  

Nicks not going to waste his time to have a written debate. Also your criticism of him on the grounds he gave the media an interview are laughable considering everyone who saw it agreed it makes him look good & the media look stupid. A better debate topic would be how does Vox rationalize defending a moron like Owen?

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 12, 2019 9:48 AM  

Because Nick got punked by MTV, he now has to debate Vox? That's a strange outcome.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 12, 2019 9:51 AM  

@Rightrage,
I have to say, based on the intelligence and effectiveness of his followers who have shown up here, Nick Fuentes is lucky if he can figure out how to pry grubs out of a rotten log with a stick.

Blogger VFM Bear December 12, 2019 9:54 AM  

"Nick Fuentes is lucky if he can figure out how to pry grubs out of a rotten log with a stick."

The only way he'll learn is if his mom stops doing it for him and makes him do it himself.

Blogger Requited Hate December 12, 2019 9:56 AM  

@rightrage
If it made Nick good why did it air and why is he whining about it?

Blogger Dole December 12, 2019 9:57 AM  

This will be a good one should Nick choose to accept the invitation. I would not be surprised if he come up with some false excuse and run though.

If he says he has no time for the debate, that will give the game away immediately, for he certainly had the time to make the statement in the affirmative. Further, it is a bullshit excuse anyway, nothing Nick is doing is more important than this debate. Especially not the 2nd rate debates he constantly participates in.

Blogger urthshu December 12, 2019 9:59 AM  

He's already talked to the media.
Now he might walk into the debate buzzsaw with Vox.
Next maybe he can start a land war in Asia

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 10:02 AM  

@12 "When Nick says that "exactly" 6 million died in the Holocaust, as he did in the Milo interview, you know he doesn't really believe it."

"There are five lights," he said with a smirk
"I totally fooled them," he thought to himself. "I was totally lying and they didn't call me on it."

Whereas the normal Conservative position (on other topics) is to say, "They're trying to get you to pretend there are more lights! When they try that, you stick to your guns! THREE LIGHTS!"

Blogger PJG December 12, 2019 10:06 AM  

Tell us another! These are hilarious. You’re doing great kid!

Blogger Philippe December 12, 2019 10:18 AM  

My guess would be that he will not even answer. And run away.

I hope I am wrong

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 12, 2019 10:19 AM  

SciVo wrote:I would never accept a written debate with Vox or a live one with the Big Bear. The former is too adept with dialectic and the latter with rhetoric. You have to either know your limitations or take your lumps, and Nick doesn't look like the type to do either gracefully.

Nick already ran from a debate with the Big Bear.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 12, 2019 10:26 AM  

megabar wrote:I go back and forth wondering if a multiracial society can survive,...
A. Singular indefinite article.
Multiracial society. Multi, indicating plural.

See the problem?

Even the disagreement in number indicates that this is an oxymoron. There cannot be a multiracial single society. There would have to be a number of societies, because society is a racial construct.

We know, from centuries of experience, that some of the races here cannot live peaceably with the others.

Blogger Ron Templeton Jr. December 12, 2019 10:26 AM  

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

Blogger American Nationalist December 12, 2019 10:26 AM  

I'm very interested to see this debate, and I strongly agree with Nick here. We can repatriate immigrants, but there's no way we can expel all minorities from our borders. The best we can do is increase white birth rates and stamp out degeneracy wherever we find it. That alone will probably make a lot of minorities want to leave, but by no means all of them.

Blogger justaguy December 12, 2019 10:28 AM  

multiwhat? defining terms is going to take longer than the debate.

Blogger tuberman December 12, 2019 10:34 AM  

"Taking an interview with the fake news is bad enough, but may have been an excusable mistake. Allowing them into your house for a week? Really? That is just foolish beyond belief."

Unless you consider:

That Nick is a controlled opposition wantabe, as if he's auditioning for the job.

Blogger Rhino Bear December 12, 2019 10:39 AM  

Oh yeah. I wan to debate vox about as much as i want to be waterboarded. Nick would be crazy to accept. Hes not only outgunned, he doesnt have the knowledge or wisdom either.

Blogger Tars Tarkas December 12, 2019 10:41 AM  

How will anyone know who penned the debate on his side?

I really look forward to this one because I always felt that to some degree, we kind of are stuck with multi-racialism. Blacks have been in America for 400 years. If nothing else, it is a demonstration of just how intractable race problems are.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 12, 2019 10:50 AM  

You don't 'have to' do anything in this world.
You might not like the consequences of not doing it, like breathing, drinking, and eating.
You might not like the costs and efforts involved in changing the circumstances, like living with multiracialism.
But you don't 'have to.' You 'have to, or else.'

Blogger Daniel Babylon December 12, 2019 10:55 AM  

A few superchatters asked Nick about your new debate request last night. I don't think he had an issue with the topic, but he responded that your audience is too small to be worth debating.

Blogger urthshu December 12, 2019 11:05 AM  

Nick already ran from a debate with the Big Bear.

+++

I've never agreed with this formulation. Debates are as optional as interviews.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 12, 2019 11:05 AM  

"I really look forward to this one because I always felt that to some degree, we kind of are stuck with multi-racialism."

This cannot continue. Either breakup into multiple societies or eradication of all races but one must occur eventually.

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 11:06 AM  

Nick should have just done the original debate and made it obvious he was defending an indefensible position. Just slather on the sarcasm and turn it into a subtle comedy bit. Either he wasn't smart enough to think of doing something like this, or he is way too concerned with touching this third rail. I wouldn't be surprised if his parents are putting a lot of pressure on him either, which is why you probably shouldn't try to be any type of leader while mommy and daddy are still paying the bills.

Another thing to note is that Nick is trying very hard to mimic Trump. He has been doing this since at least 2017. Just look at any clip from the Milo appearance. He is almost comically mimicking the posture Trump uses when he's sitting with a world leader taking questions from the media. The question isn't "What would Trump do?", but "What would a cocky 20 year old with at least a few gamma tendencies think Trump would do?"

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 12, 2019 11:10 AM  

Next maybe he can start a land war in Asia

But is he going to go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 12, 2019 11:11 AM  

Of course, in this case, the most honest answer is, “I have no idea how many lights there are. They were on 70 years ago and a continent away.” But even saying that makes a lot of people angry.

Blogger Jose Miguel December 12, 2019 11:12 AM  

In the right corner, single childless Sephardi wannabe Anglo thought-leader splitting his momma's short basement with a MTV crew vs in the left corner, Aztec writer-editor retired cage fighter culture warrior part-time fight promoter skull collector who has a beautiful wife and fathered multiple children.

The outcome of this fight is up in the air!

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 11:17 AM  

I've never agreed with this formulation.

It's legitimate if you're calling out others for refusing to debate you, as Nick Fuentu has done with Ben Shapiru.

Blogger ReleaseTheKracken December 12, 2019 11:18 AM  

If Nick is only willing to debate the topic face to face via livestream only, (on a neutral platform with or without a mod) would you agree to that?

Blogger Nation-Deprived December 12, 2019 11:19 AM  

As it happens Nick also said on a stream that he opposes “shrinking the demographics” (implication was foreign demographics) and merely advocates a “family first” policy in government. I’ll see if I can find the original clip.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 12, 2019 11:20 AM  

We can repatriate immigrants, but there's no way we can expel all minorities from our borders.

Straw man. We actually could expel all minorities, because they are greatly outnumbered by bullets. But there's no need to set the bar that high. There have always been some foreigners in every nation, and that's certainly true of the USA, parts of which were settled by non-Americans before the USA got there. A nation can survive some foreigners, as long as they're kept below a critical mass and expected to bow to the native culture.

But saying we can't expel them all as your starting point is just an underhanded way to make sure we don't even try.

Blogger SirHamster December 12, 2019 11:29 AM  

Itty bitty Nicky has fled the debate.

"Save Western Civilization Now says Vox Day wants to challenge you to a written debate on whether a multiracial society is inevitable. Do you think you're gonna accept?

"A written debate with Vox Day? No, I don't think I'm interested in that. I only debate people that are relevant."

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 11:35 AM  

tuberman wrote:That Nick is a controlled opposition wantabe, as if he's auditioning for the job.

Doubt it. He has rejected the ticket before (no guarantee that he will continue to do so, of course). He's just a legitimate right wing nationalist with gamma tendencies and a lot of hubris. He needs a mentor, but his ego is too screwed up to have one. He is at risk of becoming controlled opposition, but I highly doubt it's his plan.

Blogger Daniel December 12, 2019 11:43 AM  

Who becomes the umpire for this mental tennis match?

There is no need for one. The beauty of the written debate is that the audience is the umpire.

Hey, I bet CL at The Warfare is Mental isn't busy these days...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 12, 2019 11:43 AM  

This debate taken upon the pretext of there being an American Empire, but if that takes a crap as predicted then what? Since that was a leading question I'll give my opinion, Americans will once again find out what a foreigner is.

Blogger Dole December 12, 2019 11:49 AM  

@44
Total bullshit excuse. The blog alone has 3 million hits monthly, way above his threshold for other debates with no name youtubers. Not to mention, Vox has some credibility unlike many he has debated (destiny of all people). It sure does sound like he is trying to avoid defending the position.

Nick's rhetoric is on point, but he rushes to incorrect conclusions. My expectation is that if he accepts, he will deliver on the rhetoric, but will fall flat when it comes to delivering the pork.

Blogger Sgt Polite December 12, 2019 12:02 PM  

Regarding the "we can't send them all back" canard. I work with a lot of conservatives that say that. They also don't believe in race realism but believe in better and worse cultures. I have noticed in the last year or so maybe they're starting to wake up that importing socialist Mexicans and jihadi Somalis is NOT OPTIMAL.
I always shocked them though when they say we can't send them all back and I reply with "Look up Operation Wetback". NONE of them had heard of it. I then follow up with most would self-deport if we take away the jobs and benefits and birthright citizenship.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 12, 2019 12:05 PM  

Six million is just an arbitrary number meaning there were a lot. It's like 660,000. If there is a "crisis" the narrative is trying to promote, they don't care about exact figures, they just trot out 660,000. Try googling 660,000 children. They are dying of Malaria, Malnutrition, Aids,Poverty, and Donald Trump is separating them from their (illegal) immigrant parents. It's a crisis. The Government needs to act!

Blogger American Nationalist December 12, 2019 12:07 PM  

@54

How is that not multi-racialism?

Blogger PJJP December 12, 2019 12:14 PM  

The written debate format may play to Nick's advantage. He can have his mommy pumping out milk and cookies for him to help him super charge his argument.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 12:18 PM  

If Nick is only willing to debate the topic face to face via livestream only, (on a neutral platform with or without a mod) would you agree to that?

Why are you asking me? Little Nicky is the one running away from debate. A change in format isn't going to make me any more, or less, relevant.

Blogger SirHamster December 12, 2019 12:18 PM  

I spent some time scanning the transcripts for where Nick supposedly sought a debate on a different topic. I could not find it.

The last time Nick addressed Vox Day was when he rhetorically lambasted Vox and Owen on November 26, declining the first debate challenge on the Holocaust's 6 million without ever mentioning the topic by name.

Lots of Nicklers and trolls trying to stir up e-drama, methinks.

Blogger Thomas W. December 12, 2019 12:18 PM  

disgusting. What're the odds he's a fed?

Blogger D Zniger December 12, 2019 12:26 PM  

Ideas and principles matter and not people. This whole people cult is too much for me, but now that I know little Nick is another version of Shapiroo I will never click again on any of his videos.

Blogger Requited Hate December 12, 2019 12:27 PM  

Only debates people who are relevant. The Matt Walsh debate dodge method.

Blogger Honda Bear December 12, 2019 12:29 PM  

As The Kurgan so elquently put it, "It's like trying to explain colors to someone who thinks that crayons are good for eating."

Blogger Requited Hate December 12, 2019 12:30 PM  

A dude with 73k YouTube subscribers thinks somebody else isn’t relevant?

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 12:42 PM  

It's going to be amusing to see young nationalists turn on him with a vengeance once they begin to see through his act.

Around half already despise him. The more hard core alt-right has always been critical of him. He used to collaborate with James Allsup, who he broke up with in a swirl of petty drama a couple years ago (Nick revealed a lot of gamma tendencies during this). Of course, Allsup lost his Youtube and was all but un-personed months ago, while Nick still has high visibility.

And few casual observers realize that Nick subverted the Groyper meme. As strange as it may sound, most Groypers despise Nick and dunk on him mercilessly for trying to turn Groyperism into an overt political movement (the Groyper meme has existed as a "cozy" morale haven since early 2016).

Blogger Parrado Segura December 12, 2019 12:43 PM  

What a loser jerk, this Nick Fuentes.

Blogger Silent Draco December 12, 2019 12:46 PM  

The umpires have spoken, and it sounds like they're singing the ballad of Brave Sir Nicky, who valiantly turned about and gallantly chickened out.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction December 12, 2019 12:46 PM  



He could've left it at "No, I don't think I'm interested in that." but he had to get that parting shot it....so confirmation gammatude?

Blogger brbrophy December 12, 2019 12:47 PM  

Relevant...meaning Nickles only wants to talk to people who get clicks. All Nickles is, is a media whore drunk on his mommy's sour milk.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 12:47 PM  

so confirmation gammatude?

Almost certainly.

Blogger Akulkis December 12, 2019 12:57 PM  

@61

"Six million is just an arbitrary number meaning there were a lot."

That's not true at all. There's some Jewish
prophecy from the "oral Torah" (which is to say, the Babylonain Talmud, which is NOT Biblical) that Isreal will be reconstituted, and all the Jews will return, but it won't happen until they suffer a slaughter of 6 million.

This is why there are SEVERAL events after which the (((newspapers))) claimed that 6 Million Jews were killed. WW2 is only the most recent of these.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=6+million+jews+killed+headlines

The fact that so FEW Jews have "returned" shows that, by and large, the Jews don't even believe this supposed prophecy. (Scare quotes, because most of them have no connection to the land at all, no matter how far back in the family tree you go)

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 12, 2019 1:00 PM  

Mind Made Up: Nick runs away from threats to his ego.

Blogger NRx December 12, 2019 1:01 PM  

I always thought this Nick Fuentes was controlled op, Charlie Kirk is a bluepilled cuckservative but one who has been generally loyal since the nomination, and Charlie Kirk's idea of investigating anyone who got rich in office is a good one despite his general cuckservatism.

It makes no sense to go attacking someone like him when you could be attacking real snakes like Ben Shapiro. I also don't trust anyone who squawks about Israel too much, jews in Harvard, DC and Hollywood are a problem. Jews in Israel (sorry wignats) are not. It is certainly beyond the pale to boo Don. Jr.

Blogger Rex Leroy King December 12, 2019 1:13 PM  

Thomas W. wrote:disgusting. What're the odds he's a fed?

About the same as he's gay. Which is purty likely.

Blogger James Jameson December 12, 2019 1:14 PM  

SirHamster wrote:I spent some time scanning the transcripts for where Nick supposedly sought a debate on a different topic. I could not find it.


I remember him saying "maybe we'll debate something else" the day Vox made the Holocaust offer.

Blogger pdwalker December 12, 2019 1:19 PM  

Bloody Heck.

VD doesn't need to do the work of collecting skulls because his "opponents" are busy throwing them into his lap.

Blogger Noah B. December 12, 2019 1:24 PM  

This is after Nick "The Stove is Hot" Fuentes already said that he'd be willing to debate Vox on any issue other than the Holocaust. Faced with the prospect of a debate style where his juvenile rhetoric won't be effective, he suddenly claims Vox isn't relevant.

What a transparent liar.

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 1:28 PM  

NRx wrote:It makes no sense to go attacking someone like him when you could be attacking real snakes like Ben Shapiro.

Of course it does. Ben Shapiro is so bad at subversion that he has almost completely isolated himself from the MAGA movement. He's a joke. Charlie slithers freely inside the palace, while Benji just hisses impotently outside the gates.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 12, 2019 1:28 PM  

Predictable outcome. Can anyone mention 'relevant' that Nicky has debated? Using rhetoric in response to a debate proposal says a lot, but he is intelligent enough to realise that he's too short for this ride.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 12, 2019 1:29 PM  

Doesn't he realize his numbers are inflated?

Some people can't handle fame. They get mentioned in the press once and suddenly they start a political movement, sell t-shirts and mugs with their face on them, start an account on all crowdfunding platforms possible, go into politics, they start a podcast, they write a book, and ultimately create their own memes about themselves.

Not gonna lie, I do see the appeal in giving these sort of people the taste of achievement only to yank the carpet underneath them at the height of their hubris. And yes, I do realize this is a gamma thing to say but just picture it. Someone out there is having the time of his life looking at Nick brag how relevant he is not understanding that his viewcount was just typed in by some underpaid intern.

Blogger Korbin Ransley December 12, 2019 1:33 PM  

@65 Thank you Sir Hamster, I listened to some of The Fuentes show last night but I was unaware of that clip.

Some interesting, and insightful comments regarding this issue on the blog recently. I hope the Groypers took something away from it, and check out The 16 points if they are not already familiar.

The West must be defended. E-Drama, and feuding cannot be allowed to derail the efforts of the right. If activism and commentary is indistinguishable from the way a saboteur might behave, or hurts the cause, than perhaps it should be reconsidered. Even if we are defending a favored commentator. There is a way to do it without different audiences slinging crap at each other and our Champions I'm sure.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 12, 2019 1:35 PM  

Cleetus McFarland's YT channel currently has 1.69 million subscribers.

Cleetus has an emphatically American political orientation so Nick should debate Cleetus on political philosophy.

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 1:37 PM  

@79 And don't forget that Nick did not plan and orchestrate the initial attack against Charlie Kirk. It happened spontaneously at first with a lot of success, and then Nick jumped on and tried to turn it into his own movement. Nick initially got a lot of criticism for trying to become leader of something that started off leaderless. I know this because I was one of the people criticizing him.

Blogger Beau December 12, 2019 1:37 PM  

That was quick.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 12, 2019 1:40 PM  

We should do what the previous post's quoted writer said is essential to intel work.

Run the traces on Fuentes. Who are his parents, and what are their affiliations/politics?

Blogger FUBARwest December 12, 2019 1:52 PM  

Does this count as a another skull? Is this a record, >24h?

Blogger Quicksilver December 12, 2019 1:56 PM  

so what's the end-game of these people? perpetually syphon money from the right-leaning people by being a talking head?

Blogger John Best. December 12, 2019 1:56 PM  

Nick is allergic to Dogs. So that's everything we need to know about him.

Blogger anorganicbear December 12, 2019 1:58 PM  

@42: Is there any reason we couldn't turn inner cities into reservations for minorities, similar to the Native American reservation system?

Blogger NRx December 12, 2019 2:01 PM  

Of course it does. Ben Shapiro is so bad at subversion that he has almost completely isolated himself from the MAGA movement. He's a joke. Charlie slithers freely inside the palace, while Benji just hisses impotently outside the gates.

There are bigger fish to fry than Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk's imperfections are not worth risking splitting the movement in the year of what is probably the last election we will ever have to fight.

Kirk's main failure is that he seems to be soft on trannies. And while I agree that trannies are both repulsive and mentally ill there is actually a tactical argument for not doing much about trannies... trannies are tearing feminists (and feminism is the real heart of the left, the sex pill outranks all other redpills) apart.

The internal logic of the insane progressive religion demands they accept trannies as "real women", but the American roasties feminine imperative programming as insane and evil as it is generally cannot accept this...

Blogger Heinz Gudbearian December 12, 2019 2:05 PM  

One should not throw stones about relevance from inside one’s mother’s glass house.

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 2:06 PM  

"No, I don't think I'm interested in that. I only debate people that are relevant."

He was even stupider the first time he went after Vox:
https://youtu.be/5l9PiEf3n7M?t=6986
"Robbie says 'Vox Day is talking so much crap, please debate him, he's delusional and calls himself the Dark Lord. Cringe!'
I don't want to debate him because it's too boring, dude, it's too boring. Everybody would thing that would be exciting, but, I can tell you for a fact that there would be no entertainment value in debating somebody as boring and as slow as Vox Day. [...] So the guy's boring, and he's irrelevant, you know, who's watching the Darkstream? If he can pull more than 2000 viewers concurrent watching the Darkstream, maybe I'd consider him worth my time, but, I mean the guy's a has-been, you could say he never was. You know, this is somebody who's been floating around on the scene like writing books? [shrug] And, what does he have to show for it? Infogalactic? A gay comic book? [...] You know, all these like just stupid projects that don't go anywhere."

3M monthly pageviews, a book that was at or around #1 Political Philosophy for 2 years, a recent book hitting #1 New Release in Business Management, half a mil for the Collier reprint drive... but the video streams on the side get less views!

Moron, liar, or both.

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 2:08 PM  

@89
"And don't forget that Nick did not plan and orchestrate the initial attack against Charlie Kirk. It happened spontaneously at first with a lot of success, and then Nick jumped on and tried to turn it into his own movement. Nick initially got a lot of criticism for trying to become leader of something that started off leaderless. I know this because I was one of the people criticizing him."

*spits coffee*

Seriously? I thought he started it. I guess Nick Fuentes is the Ethan Van Sciver of Kirksgate.

Blogger AW December 12, 2019 2:31 PM  

Why not allow Nick to choose the topic rather than dictating it? Everyone with a 70+ IQ can clearly see that if you want you to convert Shapiro fans, alienating the center-right with red-pilled holocaust talk is suicide. Nick is clearly aware if anyone watched the stupid Milo interview.

I read tons, but I wouldn't waste time on a dissertation either because most people don't read - so this proves nothing. You catch more flies with honey, and a 800K+ sub count MILO or crashing Daily Wire events reaches further.

It would be better to promote the stuff we like about Nick or Owen or whomever and gain ground in the culture war than harp on stuff that is disagreed on. No one is railing on Wranglerstar for not talking about the holocaust and he's got 1M subs.

Blogger DeepThought December 12, 2019 2:33 PM  

Where are all those Nick Fuentes fanboys now?

Much like the Peterson supporters, it may take awhile but the light bulb will go off, even in their dim heads.

Blogger DeepThought December 12, 2019 2:37 PM  

When people around me discuss the Holocaust, I say I don't care and they look at me with a stunned expression.

It's your guilt. Not mine. My family had nothing to do with it.

This is a guilt thrown on you by the Jews and fake Christians and I don't accept this guilt.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 2:39 PM  

Why not allow Nick to choose the topic rather than dictating it?

Because he's a useless little shit who will never debate anyone he believes capable of ruining his bid for media whoredom.

I don't like anything at all about Little Nicky Titty Baby.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 12, 2019 2:41 PM  

@95: "Is there any reason we couldn't turn inner cities into reservations for minorities . . ."

We did in the 1960s. It was called the Great Society program. Public Housing was its finest achievement.

Blogger Jake December 12, 2019 2:47 PM  

He is also demonstrating that he's a coward. Even if he thinks that Vox is "not relevant," a non-coward would welcome the chance to engage in a debate that would sharpen his skills or perhaps cause him to learn something. Instead, he's a womanly coward who uses ad hominem insults to explain away his cowardice.

Blogger Coyotewise December 12, 2019 2:47 PM  

Noticing a pattern here.
High profile person VD doesn't care about gets a mention in VD's lane.
VD shrugs
Followers of HP person VD doesn't care about get loud and annoying.
VD takes an interest.
HP fraud gets exposed.

I know internet talking heads aren't responsible for the behavior of their followers, but it has proven to be a reliable reflection of some level of compromise.

As someone who has enjoyed a lot of Jay Dyer's content, um, well I guess we'll see how that plays out.

Blogger MisesMat December 12, 2019 2:54 PM  

On the off chance that any Nickers are read this and want to slam "Vox Gay" and "Owen Cringemen" I have to ask this question:

Who have Vox and Owen been wrong about? Ben Shapiro? Jordan Peterson? Steve Crowder?

As far as I can tell those two guys are batting a thousand. I held out a lot of hope for Nick, but that hope is dashed. I hope more Nickers wake up.

I would tell those guys to write hand-written letters of apology to Big Bear, but I doubt the Gamma crowd that will inevitably turn on Nick (as they did with Jordan Peterson) will ever admit they were wrong about anything.

Blogger John Cage December 12, 2019 2:59 PM  

I think he's smart on this one Vox. Personal opinion. He's attempting to update Reagan's mass fusionism political program but this time by merging conservative Christians with nationalists.

You are far more in-depth. But academic and esoteric. That doesn't exactly play well at the 50th percentile of intelligence. You're after Will Buckley's audience, Fuentes is after Joe Rogan's.

Not a good fit.

Second, I very much doubt he supports multiracialism. But he knows how that look plays with marginally informed voters (the brainwashed masses). He knows neither you nor he can convince them. Because they aren't convinced by ideas. They follow crowds.

Fuentes is going for the more salient and immediate goal of a moratorium on immigration. Which we all support.

Leave the kid alone.

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 3:11 PM  

@108
"LEAVE NICKY ALONE! In his defense, he is not only attempting to lead by following, but he is doing so by deliberately lying!"

You weren't watching the Peterson issue unfold, I take it.

Blogger Mauldication Bear December 12, 2019 3:12 PM  

RIP Little Nicky Titty Baby

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 3:13 PM  

He's attempting to update Reagan's mass fusionism political program but this time by merging conservative Christians with nationalists.

Something I pointed out back when I was still writing for WND nearly 10 years ago.

Leave the kid alone.

I have paid him almost zero attention. I have never watched a single video of his. As soon as his moronic fans shut the hell up, I will go back to blissfully ignoring the little shit.

Blogger Dole December 12, 2019 3:17 PM  

@108
That is one weak argument. There was no reason for him to make the statement at all if he doesn't believe in it.

Leave the kid alone? From what? Invitation to debate a statement he made, which he agreed to beforehand? Please... Either he is a kid or a serious commentator and addressed as such.

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 3:18 PM  

NRx wrote:Kirk's main failure is that he seems to be soft on trannies.

If that were it, I'd agree that he's just basic bitch cuckservative. Charlie's actual main failure is his Israel first subversion:

"I reject this idea of dual loyalty. I have loyalty to ideas. And of course I love the Grand Canyon, I love the Rocky Mountains, and I love Boston, I love Chicago, but if all that disappeared and all I had was ideas, and we were on an Island: That's America. That's Israel. That's what people have to realize, America is just a placeholder for timeless ideas. And if you fall too in love with, you know, the specific place and all this, that's not what it is. Israel would be an exception because their is a holy connection to this land."

This dork is not working for Americans. At all.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction December 12, 2019 3:31 PM  

Leave the kid alone.

How can you leave someone alone when they are asking for it,

Blogger Lovekraft December 12, 2019 3:32 PM  

the talk of the great bigsoc exodus assumes everyone will be safe and co-operating under one giant alt-right tent.

The reality is there will be years of these platforms of sites jockeying for supremacy, smearing competition and forming bizarre alliances.

If the alt-right (or whatever we want to call it) plans on remaining, at the minimum, a place for support and sharing info, we should try to carve out a certain niche. I assume Vox is aware of this and I see the Fuentes episode as just that - setting certain standards that exclude the fake and untrustworthy.

Blogger SirHamster December 12, 2019 3:34 PM  

Julian Assad wrote:I remember him saying "maybe we'll debate something else" the day Vox made the Holocaust offer.

Thank you, found it:

November 22.

Julian says: "Are you going to debate Vox on, not on the Holocaust?"
Nick: "I'll debate him on, I don't know, maybe something else."

Blogger SirHamster December 12, 2019 3:36 PM  

@98 R Webfoot put up a partial transcript already for the Nov 26 stream, but there's actually a lot more. Let the hate flow into you.

Nov 26
There's very little you can do to faze me because I get it and you just don't. You just don't get it, that's what it comes down to. You're a cringe fag, I'm epic. It's as simple as that. it always has been-that was that way with Owen Benjamin, it's how with Vox GAY.

[...]

Robbie says Vox Day is talking so much crap. Please debate him he's delusional and calls himself the Dark Lord.

Cringe! I don't want to debate him because it's too boring, dude, it's too boring. Everybody would think that would be exciting but I can tell you for a fact that there would be no entertainment value in debating somebody as boring and as slow as Vox Day.

Isn't he a Native American or something? Because I don't know if you notice this but Native Americans are like this - they're very slow to the draw. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's genetic, I don't know if it's a
cultural thing. If you've ever talked to -- and I know people that live like in the mountains and have experience with this -- they're very, it's almost like they're not even there, it's almost like they're not even present. Like they're looking past you and this is a very sort of sloooow thing.

I don't know if that's just like a cultural thing, but I did pick up on that. And I think that might be the reason for
it. So the guy's boring and he's irrelevant. You know, who's watching the dark streams? If he can pull, you know, more than 2,000 concurrent viewers watching the dark stream, maybe I consider it worth my time.

But I mean the guy's a has-been. You could say he never was. You know that somebody's been floating around on the scene like writing books and what does he have to show for it? Infogalactic, a gay comic book. What did he just do? Uh, what's the comic book? Lady MAGA or night-night MAGA, what's the f- comic book he made? You know all these, like, just stupid projects that don't go anywhere.

I say bald retard, his streams sucks. He's boring, his name's Vox Day. Just call yourself like a real name. Use your real name, what's his real name? Teddy something. What's his real name? Vox Day, Theodore Beale. Okay, why not just go by that. 51 years old and he calls himself the supreme Dark Lord.

What did he say? He literally said on the stream the other week, somebody clipped it and sent it to me. He said, the groypers are gonna learn that you don't mess with somebody who other people call the supreme Dark Lord. And he said this with, like a smirk, like it was so - like he was, you're not gonna, you shouldn't mess with me. You're not gonna mess with somebody who other people call the Supreme Dark Lord.

Oh, oh, oh, you're 51 years old man. You're 51 years old. Time to grow up.

What is his, uh, what is his comic book? Let me look up - what does ... Vox Day comic book. These are the best, these are the cultural battles we need to fight.

Alt Hero by, by Vox Gay. The Jew bear Owen cringe-man and Vox Gay - Alt Hero. Who is the Alt Hero? Is this agent Postal or something else? Let's see ... Wow, very cool. Wow it's like a comic book but it's based in red pill. Great idea, Vox.

What, I think there was like tens or hundreds of thousand dollars went into developing this - some, some obscene and ridiculous unjustifiable amount of money came into these dumb projects. He's gonna counter signal the Groyper Wars. It's Vox and Owen Benjamin. Two Gen X losers who just can't figure it out.

[...]

(continued)

Blogger SirHamster December 12, 2019 3:36 PM  

Nov 26 transcript, continued.
Christopher says, I catch most of Owen Benjamin and Vox Day livestreams. For some reason YouTube is offering me
four free super chats to use on yours, not theirs.

Well, because YouTube is based in Red Pill.

[...]

West Nat says, Nicky, you and your groypers messed with the wrong one. You don't want to mess with the Supreme Dark Lord keep this up and off to write a strongly worded book about you. Anyway, have some money.

Yeah, these people suck. Vox and, you know, such a j- people are just a joke
man, just a total joke.

Imagine being their age. Imagine, you know, what is Owen Benjamin, like 40-something, and Vox is 51. And they probably agree with everything we're doing. The critics, or rather the criticisms of Conservative Inc. They hate these guys as much as we do and they're spending their days counter signaling me either for clout or because they're emotionally wounded by what I've said about them. It just doesn't get any smaller than that.

Blogger Heretic Hymnal December 12, 2019 3:41 PM  

I hope Little Nicky is getting dangerously close to having an unflattering biography written about him...

Blogger Br1cht December 12, 2019 3:43 PM  

Jeroth wrote:tuberman wrote:That Nick is a controlled opposition wantabe, as if he's auditioning for the job.

Doubt it. He has rejected the ticket before (no guarantee that he will continue to do so, of course). He's just a legitimate right wing nationalist with gamma tendencies and a lot of hubris. He needs a mentor, but his ego is too screwed up to have one. He is at risk of becoming controlled opposition, but I highly doubt it's his plan.



So swearing allegiance to the magic number so as not to lose those sweet supershekels is not to take the ticket?

He already have a Mentor, it´s Mommy. This is a boy who not only have odd snack habits, gamma signs and according to himself have Mommy call media to whore him out. On reflection she probably fills the pimp role rather than Mentor.

Blogger Wormwood December 12, 2019 3:46 PM  

Vox is a horrible speaker but Nick is great. Vox is a good writer, but is Nick, probably not. It's a smart decision to challenge him to a written debate, and it's also a smart decision for him to decline. I'm sure he would counter offer Vox a live debate.

Blogger ScottC December 12, 2019 3:46 PM  

I don't see what winning a debate against Fuentes would prove. You could win debates with Mike Cernovich, Milo and Jack Posobiec too. Does that mean they're idiots, frauds, etc?

Blogger xevious2030 December 12, 2019 4:01 PM  

Nick is an old fart. He’s a newboomer. Ok Boomer is him. He is doing what almost all the old people do. He is doing exactly what they have been doing for decades. He’s talking, and his followers are trolling, both online and in live appearance. He is 2008 in remake, again.

Nick is talk and no do. Nodo Nick. On and on about the problems, not doing anything to change them. No kicking paysites in the nuts. No doing anything that actually changes things. Instead, he is bringing awareness, as if there was no awareness. He is educating, as if people are not educated. He is exposing, as if there are no exposed. The mouth vomit has gone nowhere, and the newness is actually doing something. The newness is actually changing things, and set to do much more. And it is newness, because it is among the first. Nick needs to drop the Boomer. But he wants to be so Darkweb.

Blogger FUBARwest December 12, 2019 4:05 PM  

@108 GTFO with that weak sauce. He lied. He ran away. Dont defend it. You can still like him, never justify bullshit. You are actively hurting him and anyone else when you excuse behavior like this. It's why Nicky's a gamma now and will continue to be.

Blogger Dangeresque December 12, 2019 4:06 PM  

"Floating around on the scene"

Yeah, that's what this is... A scene.

Blogger D Zniger December 12, 2019 4:12 PM  

The last comment from little Nick that has been added to the post has made him nonexistent for me. I don´t even need to know if he is just stupid or lying for his fanboys. Good riddance Nick.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson December 12, 2019 4:13 PM  

I remember the first time that the Big Bear and Little Nicky had a beef. It was over Little Nicky reading a message from a bear saying that the Bears loved Little Nicky. Little Nicky said something along the lines of "I don't agree with Owen on everything." The next day Owen got pissed off about this on his livestream.

I remember at the time thinking that Owen over reacted. But then after I saw how Little Nicky immediately continued to escalate the conflict between them, I knew that Owen was correct.

Here's the thing, if you accidentally say something that pisses somebody off and you are innocent, what do you say? You say something along the lines of, "I didn't mean to offend you, that wasn't what I meant to say." If Little Nicky had responded along those lines then Owen would've let the matter go. However once Little Nicky escalated the verbal war, I knew that Owen was right for calling him out at the first little slight.

Little Nicky is a fraud who likes to use passive aggressive hostility to create conflicts and try to frame himself as the good guy fighting off the mean guy. He's going to embarrass all those who follow him just like Richard Spencer did.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 12, 2019 4:15 PM  

@108, you are assuming that Nicky is capable of that sort of understanding and planning. Is there any evidence to justify that assumption?

Blogger Newscaper312 December 12, 2019 4:17 PM  

@104
"We did in the 1960s. It was called the Great Society program. Public Housing was its finest achievement."

Now we have Section 8 and Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing which are even worse, where the ghetto is now intentionally transplanted into the middle class suburbs, making the end of forced crosstown busing entirely moot. Bad enough before, Obama turbocharged them to target white areas, and Trump has not yet reversed prior admin's new rules.

Blogger Newscaper312 December 12, 2019 4:18 PM  

@113, That's utterly moronic, if not intentionally deceptive --America is the *people* no the land.

Blogger Talios Hammerfist December 12, 2019 4:36 PM  

Owen called it, and Vox proved it. I see why these two enjoy working with each other. To use a football colloquialism, they are 'smash and dash'. A power back that wears you out - Owen's constant rhetorical beat down - accompanied by a speed back that gashes you - Vox's quick, strategic moves in proving Nick's deceitfulness. This episode has been very educational, and I have enjoyed learning from it.

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 4:36 PM  

@119
"I hope Little Nicky is getting dangerously close to having an unflattering biography written about him..."

I hope Little Nicky never screws up importantly enough for that, so he doesn't delay A Sea Of Skulls.

Blogger sammibandit December 12, 2019 4:37 PM  

I really look forward to this one because I always felt that to some degree, we kind of are stuck with multi-racialism. Blacks have been in America for 400 years. If nothing else, it is a demonstration of just how intractable race problems are.

I'll take a different tack than Damelon Brinn, who I agree with. Some types of Germanics were in the region of the Baltic coast for upwards of 800 years when they became DPs. Others up to 150 years in the Carpathian foothills. Then add in the Czechs of Germanic admixture, Romanians, Kipchacks and other sorts in Ukraine. You got up to 25 million by conservative estimates forcefully moved, many to the grave, between WWII and the 60s. It was until now the biggest migration of people ever seen, even bigger than the Great Migration that saw Germanics move into Central Europe.

Blogger Haus frau December 12, 2019 4:37 PM  

@94 "Nick is allergic to Dogs. So that's everything we need to know about him"

My dog training club's training director is highly allergic to dogs. He still owns three malinois and just works around it with kennels and hand washing. I'd say Nick sounds like a little bitch but that's an insult to the many tough, thick skinned dog bitches I've worked with.

Blogger Grime Knight December 12, 2019 4:37 PM  

Second, I very much doubt he supports multiracialism. But he knows how that look plays with marginally informed voters (the brainwashed masses).

So he's a liar and prefers to act against his alleged Catholic Christian teachings.

Leave the kid alone.

>Kid
>*is 22*

You've got to be shitting us.

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 4:40 PM  

@122
"I don't see what winning a debate against Fuentes would prove."

Winning a debate would not prove he is a fraud. It would prove the strength of his arguments, and could have proven him fair and honorable in defeat.
Challenging him to a debate, and observing him run away and cover his trail with a chaff cloud of complete bullshit; that is what proved him a fraud.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 12, 2019 4:47 PM  

"Leave the kid alone"

If you pick up a weapon, you become a combatant.

Blogger Jeroth December 12, 2019 4:48 PM  

Br1cht wrote:So swearing allegiance to the magic number so as not to lose those sweet supershekels is not to take the ticket?

It very well might be. We'll see. He has followed up with signals to his following that he's engaging in some kind of calculated deception. (I am not defending this. I would never in a million years kiss that filthy six million dollar ring.) But it's definitely a first step, and eventually they will require explicit obedience. My guess is Nick's thinking is like this: "Trump kisses the six million dollar ring, possibly deceptively, so I can too." Of course, it goes without saying that Nick is not Trump, but I do believe this is how he thinks.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 12, 2019 4:50 PM  

Nick’s audience doesn’t read. He can’t defend his position and he probably doesn’t even agree with it in any case. Just a shill supporting whoever is paying him.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 4:52 PM  

I don't see what winning a debate against Fuentes would prove. You could win debates with Mike Cernovich, Milo and Jack Posobiec too. Does that mean they're idiots, frauds, etc?

It all depends what you prove and what the opponent is forced to reveal in the process.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 4:53 PM  

I hope Little Nicky is getting dangerously close to having an unflattering biography written about him...

There isn't enough there for even a chapter.

Blogger xevious2030 December 12, 2019 4:58 PM  

“Time to grow up”

Called it, newboomer.

“Cringe! I don't want to debate him because it's too boring, dude, it's too boring.”

Reads like a gerbil running in a spinning wheel. Going really fast, but living in a narrow little world. Steps out for a few seconds, then back in the wheel, running really fast, getting nowhere, and very excited about it. Probably had an earbud neoCon Boomer telling him when to say cringe.

Blogger Uncle John's Band December 12, 2019 5:02 PM  

This has been interesting. Not that a waxen, scrawny-soft, progeria-looking puppet attracts a low-grade audience. But for who can see that the suckler's already done and who's cheering on the ghost run.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 12, 2019 5:03 PM  

Nick is 21.

And he's already a Legend in His Own Mind.

Well done, Nick. Well done.

Blogger Tars Tarkas December 12, 2019 5:09 PM  

Korbin Ransley wrote:The West must be defended. E-Drama, and feuding cannot be allowed to derail the efforts of the right. If activism and commentary is indistinguishable from the way a saboteur might behave, or hurts the cause, than perhaps it should be reconsidered. Even if we are defending a favored commentator. There is a way to do it without different audiences slinging crap at each other and our Champions I'm sure.



The problem is all these YT media whores want being a right-wing dissident as a full time job. "The Cause" is just a rationalization for those sweet, sweet superchat shekels and twitter bux. If they can get lots of money burning the US and "The Cause" to the ground, they would do it in a heartbeat.

The best part is our enemies, the people who want us dead or unemployed and our children starving and hated by their peers prop these grifters up and pick our leaders and our representation. When the MSM starts targeting a "dissident," it should be seen as a sign that the person they are highlighting should be ignored.

The best right-wing dissidents have a job or some other form of income, like VD or the Z-Man. They don't rely on superchats or the drama that generates them in order to live their lives. The media whore is basically a prisoner of this stuff because they need the money and ruined their name and so getting a real job will be quite difficult if not impossible.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 12, 2019 5:10 PM  

@129: You've just described the Leftist version of the Inkblot strategy.

Blogger MisesMat December 12, 2019 5:11 PM  

Vox, what's your over/under on a legion of ADHD-addled Gammas invading the Darkstream soon to posture about how you're "jealous" of Nick and all his fame? (I doubt they actually read anything so they're never going to read this blog and certainly won't have read any of your books.)

I would call Nick a Jordan Perterson 2.0...but even our Meth-head, Satan-worshiping self-help guru had accomplished more in life than Nick has--and may be more honest.

Sad!

Blogger Son of John December 12, 2019 5:15 PM  

@23 Shane Bradman I'm an amerimutt and it's true im so mixed the only thing left is severe retardation. At the least I understand that It's better to have a tribe and those with it ought to preserve it.

Blogger Gbassoon December 12, 2019 5:25 PM  

A shame. I figured Nick had very little lose, at least in the long run. What was the worst that could happen had he taken the time to debate Vox? One of three things would have happened...

1. Nick wins the debate - ok, highly doubtful, but if he somehow managed to pull this off he'd be able to pound his chest and would have major bragging rights. He just defeated an extraordinary opponent.

2. Nick and Vox reach a stalemate - Congrats Nick, you went the distance with an exceptional opponent.

3. Nick loses, probably badly - In the short run Nick has to put up with loss of face, insults, and "I told you so's"...so what? In the long run the majority of his fans would likely stand by him and would probably even respect him more for taking his lumps and perhaps learning a thing or two. A loss would help Nick clarify his thinking and maybe force him to work on his game before he decides to enter the ring again? Is there really shame in being 21 years old and losing to a better educated and more experienced elder who's more than twice your age (sorry Vox).

I suppose a fourth option is possible as well...he could lose so incredibly badly and expose himself for the intellectual light-weight he is.

Blogger Blaidd December 12, 2019 5:28 PM  

Cultural products like books are irrelevant but view counts on a gossip livestream are somehow of vital importance? As they say, the West won't be saved by yet another podcast.

Blogger Pax_Romana December 12, 2019 5:35 PM  

I had never even heard of this guy until Owen mentioned him a few months ago. I still know nothing about him, beyond the fact that he seems like a weaselly Controlled Opp Shill.

Blogger Macs December 12, 2019 5:40 PM  

Just because will likely lose doesn't mean you can't have a good debaye

Blogger Rex Leroy King December 12, 2019 5:44 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Run the traces on Fuentes. Who are his parents, and what are their affiliations/politics?

Someone on Twitter claims that "The Fuentes clan has extensive business ties to China".

Blogger Timeo hominem unius libri December 12, 2019 5:46 PM  

Nick "the nickle pacifier" has revealed his true nature. A self-evident disfunctional relationship with his mother and a lack of masculine energy from his father had casted him to the gamma realm. His excuses to dodge and run from the debate with Vox are little less than pathetic, and even more pathetic is that the little milky shit doesn't even realize that it is always better to face up to a challange than back away from it, no matter the outcome. He would know this if he wasn't a gamma.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 12, 2019 5:53 PM  

You've heard him boys: 2000+ viewers tonight.

Blogger Jill in StL December 12, 2019 5:55 PM  

I am not encouraging violence towards Nickels, but the young man, who is now 22 years old, not a "kid" (young men are in Afghanistan and Syria fighting wars we have no business fighting for this country at younger than 22, so stop calling him a "kid".) But,it is beyond obvious that Nickels would never ever say peep to Vox's face nor Owen's face. If ever there was someone who just needs a simple punch in the face, it would be Nickels. He has zero leadership qualities whatsoever and to call Vox "not relevant" is just the most uneducated, ignorant thing he could possibly say. This has been bugging me for months now about Nickels too - what is his Plan B?? Does he have one??? Leaders have plans beyond today or tomorrow. We are all here to testify what Owen and Vox are doing to encourage young men and women for when this empire collapses on many fronts. All I hear from Nickels is larping and more larping. There are no plans other than for him to make himself "famous". I'm still not convinced he's not Richard Spencer 2.0 as far as being a fed or a tool of the CIA either.

Blogger sammibandit December 12, 2019 5:56 PM  

Because I don't know if you notice this but Native Americans are like this - they're very slow to the draw. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's genetic, I don't know if it's a
cultural thing. If you've ever talked to -- and I know people that live like in the mountains and have experience with this -- they're very, it's almost like they're not even there, it's almost like they're not even present. Like they're looking past you and this is a very sort of sloooow thing.


Clearly has not had his bell rung by a native. They are very fast after doing reconnaissance. They also have crazy high pain tolerance especially on their heads. Up here we know better than to pick fights with natives. Win fights already started, sure. But picking them, no no no.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction December 12, 2019 6:01 PM  

Is there really shame in being 21 years old and losing to a better educated and more experienced elder who's more than twice your age

No there isn't, not even in the slightest, if Nick were smarter and had his ego in check he would realize this. Kid is going to crash and burn hard.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 12, 2019 6:07 PM  

People have hated neocons intensely since Bush. Nick Fuentes is doing nothing but beating a dead horse and begging to suck Satan's dick for fame and wealth.

Blogger Storm Rhode December 12, 2019 6:10 PM  

Nick just got burned by MTV. Associating with Vox, even in a debate against him is dangerous regardless if he wins or not. And heaven forbid Nick says or writes something that isn't 100% authorized narrative. I think Nick sold out and Vox is getting the Ron Paul treatment.

Blogger Heretic Hymnal December 12, 2019 6:11 PM  

Agreed.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 12, 2019 6:15 PM  

Gbassoon wrote:I suppose a fourth option is possible as well...he could lose so incredibly badly and expose himself for the intellectual light-weight he is.
You left out the real option: His Gamma delusion bubble could be punctured.

A man aged 22 is not and should not be considered a child. At 22 I was married with 2 kids, 2 jobs and no debt, because I had no credit.

Blogger M Cephas December 12, 2019 6:23 PM  

It does not surprise me that he turned down a written debate on a topic that doesn't interest him. He isn't a writer, and you would have the clear advantage.

But just last month, he responded to a superchatter that asked about you, and said "yeah Vox Day's pretty good". The only thing that changed in the meantime is that you insulted him, and he responded in kind.

I blame Owen. He is a wizard with how he he managed to spin his retardation over Nick and actually got people to take his side.

Blogger Balam December 12, 2019 6:31 PM  

To all the Nickcucks leaping to say, "He's just a kid! Leave Brittney alone!", he's fair game and he's said as much.

Looking up his opinion on another child soldier, Gretta Thrunburg:
[Nick Fuentes: It's gonna be little girls like this leading the charge to destroy the country. And who's really putting up a fight to this? The most I hear from conservatives is shit like this, it's like "Well the real victim in all this is Greta Thunburg because she's like really a victim" No she's not, no she's not at all. This girl's our enemy. Honestly I know we don't like to think about that because she's a young girl she's a kid and, you know, people are babies about this and they say, "You can't attack her she's a young girl" she's fair game as far as I'm concerned. She's part of the problem, you know.]

So in the words of your child savior fraud, stop being babies about it.

Blogger R Webfoot December 12, 2019 7:03 PM  

@164
'To all the Nickcucks leaping to say, "He's just a kid! Leave Brittney alone!", he's fair game and he's said as much.'

They're acting like he's their right-wing David Hogg.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) December 12, 2019 7:05 PM  

For a while I thought Vox was being an asshole and this kid was alright. Now that I see Nick's comments ... (sigh) ... Vox was right. Again.

Nick is young and it seems he's succumbed to the temptation for fame. Anyone who values numbers of viewers over the truth is not worth supporting. And that applies to a helluva lot more people than Nick Fuentes.

Blogger Heretic Hymnal December 12, 2019 7:07 PM  

Ah yes! Owen the Retarded Wizard hath ensorcelled the minds of men and set them against poor little Nicky Titty Baby!

Little Nicky is an adult who literally eats boogers(retardation) while obsessing over 'muh optics'. Defense of adults who eat boogers being a hill to die on is now a thing.

Blogger Timeo hominem unius libri December 12, 2019 7:13 PM  

163.M Cephas
You are lying, Vox used the utmost courtesy toward Nickles. He run from the debate. He is a gamma afraid of debating his own assertions.

Blogger Wasumyon December 12, 2019 7:21 PM  

What a little girl.

Blogger Ransom Smith December 12, 2019 7:35 PM  

The only thing that changed in the meantime is that you insulted him, and he responded in kind.
Wew buddy. If the kid can't take a few jabs then he really isn't ready for prime time.
You get called way worse just playing organized sports, or Halo 2 online.

Blogger M Cephas December 12, 2019 8:15 PM  

@168. Timeo hominem units kind

I'm not lying. You certainly are, but I'm not. I've watched both Vox Day and Nick, and know who said what and when they said it.

And I like both Vox and Nick regardless.

I dislike Owen for inciting this unnecessary conflict between them.

Blogger Unknown December 12, 2019 8:29 PM  

I hope he accepts so that I can read the debate. I enjoy VD's whitepills.

Blogger SirHamster December 12, 2019 8:30 PM  

M Cephas wrote:I dislike Owen for inciting this unnecessary conflict between them.
Itty Nicky Titty Baby and his fans brought it on themselves.


M Cephas wrote:But just last month, he responded to a superchatter that asked about you, and said "yeah Vox Day's pretty good". The only thing that changed in the meantime is that you insulted him, and he responded in kind.
This conflict revealed Nick's lack of character and substance. Blaming it on Owen or Vox's behavior is missing the point.

Blogger Timeo hominem unius libri December 12, 2019 8:44 PM  

171.M Cephas
I'm not lying. You certainly are, but I'm not. I've watched both Vox Day and Nick, and know who said what and when they said it.

And I like both Vox and Nick regardless.

I dislike Owen for inciting this unnecessary conflict between them.

Lying again. If you followed the "Milker controversy" like you say you had, you would know that Vox prohibited any mentions of Fuentes in the darkstream. He also was never insulting to Nick on the blog up untill that booger eater called him irrelevant when he challanged him for a debate. If Niclkes doesn't want any heat from Vox he shouldn't run his mouth on him. Also stop bringing up Owen on this, he doesn't have anything to do with Nickles running again from a debate.

Blogger jeffinjapan December 12, 2019 8:52 PM  

I still think that Owen’s reaction to Nicky way back when was way over the top and a bit childish, but what Nick said about Vox was shockingly stupid, and this is coming from someone who has a 80/20 like/dislike towards the Dark Lord.

Blogger Dan Karelian December 12, 2019 8:56 PM  

Vox since you're open to debate are you still willing to debate people that are calling YOU out to debate, namely Jay Dyer?

Could be next year but you did affirm that your trinitarian skepticism and sola scriptura are tenable positions to defend and that you can "beat the hell out of Jay Dyer".

Is it all huff and puff or will you show up to the debate floor when called out?

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon December 12, 2019 8:59 PM  

" You know, this is somebody who's been floating around on the scene like writing books?"

Writing books??? How irrelevant!

I enjoyed Fuentes beatdown of Charlie Kirk, but he's showing himself to be a buffoon. Death by a thousand cuts, the slow retaking of institutions... all of that is longer-term strategic thinking. To do that, you win the culture war. You put out books, comics, and games, or whatever else happens to work in terms of communicating a message. Build up alternative platforms, foster community.

Blogger VD December 12, 2019 9:16 PM  

Vox since you're open to debate are you still willing to debate people that are calling YOU out to debate, namely Jay Dyer?

I will not debate Jay Dyer. I have never debated theology with anyone and I have no interest whatsoever in debating theology with anyone.

Is it all huff and puff or will you show up to the debate floor when called out?

It has nothing to do with "huff and puff". What part of "I do not debate theology" is hard to understand? People can "call me out" about subjects I have no interest in discussing all they like. All that will accomplish is me ignoring them in the future.

Debating theology is, in my opinion, pointless. If "we see as though through a glass, darkly", then there is nothing to accomplish. It's just debating other people's opinions, which I consider to be both stupid and irrelevant.

Blogger M Cephas December 12, 2019 9:19 PM  

@174. Timeo hominem units libri

You are the one lying retard. Vox called Nick "little Nicky titty baby", claimed Nick had sold out or "punched the ticket" and a few other things BEFORE Nick ever said a single bad thing about Vox.

Up until that point The last thing Nick had said about Vox was "Vox's pretty good".

The day after Vox did that stream, Nick talked about people on our side attacking him and called him "Vox Gay". He also made fun of him for calling himself "The Supreme Dark Lord". That's what actually happened.

173. SirHamster
If you're talking lack of character, look no further than Owen Benjamin.

Blogger Stacey December 12, 2019 9:21 PM  

@ 149

The fourth option is what he was afraid of and the reason he ran.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 12, 2019 9:39 PM  

@Cephas and Timlay
Knock it the fuck off. You're boring.

Blogger Avalanche December 12, 2019 9:44 PM  

@79 " It is certainly beyond the pale to boo Don. Jr."

So, you haven't read his book yet, then? For his outdoorsy, blue-collar-ish background, he's not EVEN as civnatty as his dad! Weak sister.

Blogger Timeo hominem unius libri December 12, 2019 9:58 PM  

Right right

Blogger Ant_B December 12, 2019 9:59 PM  

Fuentes is having his 15 minutes. It'll all end soon enough.

Blogger Mauldication Bear December 12, 2019 10:08 PM  

Little Nicky Titty Baby is a political commentator and a self-proclaimed gamer. But having the honor of discourse with both a bestselling political philosopher and multiplatinum-selling game developer isn't worth his time. What a smug cunt.

Blogger sammibandit December 12, 2019 10:13 PM  

He is telling his fans that he doesn't care if they see his lack of integrity and reluctance to even play the game. Again.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 12, 2019 10:37 PM  

So he considers Ben Shapiru, of all people, to be relevant?

He kinda looks like Ben Shapiru, so maybe it's understandable.

Blogger Laxman December 12, 2019 10:38 PM  

"multiplatinumum-selling games"

Perfect metric for discerning who is who in dissident politics. Game sales from 20 years ago.

You really proved your rhetorical mastery with that one.

Blogger Unknown December 12, 2019 11:01 PM  

Popcorn time. These purity tests are great

Blogger Shane Bradman December 12, 2019 11:05 PM  

What us unnecessary about identifying false allies? We know everything we need to know about Little Nicky to never trust him again.

Blogger Stilicho December 12, 2019 11:07 PM  

No one ever told Nickels to never go full Scalzi. Not that he would have listened.

Blogger Unknown December 12, 2019 11:13 PM  

Popcorn time. These purity tests are great.

Blogger Thomas W. December 12, 2019 11:52 PM  

The number 1 political philosopher is less relevant than a 70000 sub Youtube channel? Give me a fucking break.

Blogger Thomas W. December 12, 2019 11:53 PM  

Leave it alone, Dan.

Blogger Long Live The West December 13, 2019 12:25 AM  

Look this morning, everything is normal.

Look tonight... "Sweet! One of 'those' threads!"

Blogger James Lovebirch December 13, 2019 1:59 AM  

@186

Vox has admitted he would lose in a debate about theology, and he's not interested in learning more about it. What more do you want from him, and why are you so mad?

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 13, 2019 2:53 AM  

I have got 70000 idiots on my channel, and what do you have? Your "truth" which obviously depends on the viewer's perspective as the great Shapiru does not tire to repeat.

Blogger VD December 13, 2019 3:41 AM  

You're banned, Dan Karelian.

Fans like you are why I will never talk to Jay Dyer in any capacity at this point. And I don't give a damn about stupid theological drama and what so-and-so thinks about what so-and-so wrote in 1322. It's nothing but opinions about other people's interpretations of other people's assertions about a) Scripture and b) dogma.

Perfect metric for discerning who is who in dissident politics. Game sales from 20 years ago.

Who said anything about 20 years ago? Rebel Moon Rising was my most financially successful game, but it is very far from my most recent one.

Blogger VD December 13, 2019 3:44 AM  

What is unnecessary about identifying false allies? We know everything we need to know about Little Nicky to never trust him again.

Precisely. His fans will figure him out soon enough. As for us, we now know he belongs in the "media whore" category and can safely ignore him.

Blogger Ska_Boss December 13, 2019 3:54 AM  

From my own observations, Nick has built himself a well-earned reputation from both emulating and tempering the talking points and rhetoric from /pol/ while simultaneously learning how to spot shills and cut through the flood of fake bullshit that is modern day discourse. But he is also young and naive, and his ego is getting ahead of him. Not that he cares what I think, but If he does follow the faith he would do well to humble himself. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

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