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Thursday, December 19, 2019

Clusterdebacle

Things are rapidly going from bad to worse for the House Democrats and their problematic "impeachment":
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday that he and Sen. Charles Schumer haven't been able over the terms of a Senate impeachment trial, after the two party's traded angry accusations about how the chamber will proceed.

McConnell, who earlier Thursday threatened to cancel an impeachment trial for President Donald Trump, described the state of play on the Senate floor after meeting with Schumer, the minority leader.

'We remain at an impasse on these logistics,' Schumer told colleagues.

'My colleague wants a special pre-trial guarantee of certain witnesses whom the House Democrats themselves did not bother to pursue as they assembled their case. Or he wants to proceed without giving any organizational resolution forever,' McConnell said....

Pelosi has to transmit the articles of impeachment and appoint 'managers' to prosecute the president. She offered no timeline, saying she wanted to see the Senate's plan for a 'fair trial,' effectively holding the articles over McConnell's and Trump's heads.

Her delay came after several House Democrats took up an idea advocated by Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe, who has said the public 'has a right to observe a meaningful trial rather than simply learn that the result is a verdict of not guilty.'

He advocated the idea of delaying sending over the articles to the Senate as a leverage point to try to secure better terms.

Another Harvard Law professor, Noah Feldman, penned an op-ed agreeing that the transmittal of impeachment articles is a crucial act in the process, and that until this happens, Trump technically hasn't been impeached.

An indefinite delay 'would pose a serious problem,' Feldman wrote.

'Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.'

He added: 'If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.'
This just keeps getting better and better....

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73 Comments:

Blogger rognuald December 19, 2019 9:24 PM  

Let's pray the McConnell tells Schumer and Pelosi to pound sand.

Blogger Blume December 19, 2019 9:30 PM  

So Harvard law degrees are officially trash. The alumni should be ashamed their school has come to this.

Blogger Crew December 19, 2019 9:33 PM  

The Democrats have to be destroyed next November!

Fortunately, they have pissed people off in so many ways.

Blogger Rigel Kent December 19, 2019 9:34 PM  

What kind of idiot thinks threatening to not send the articles of impeachment is leverage?

Brain dead just doesn't cover it.

Blogger Hammerli 280 December 19, 2019 9:42 PM  

If the House passes a bill of impeachment, but does not turn it over to the Senate for trial, does this constitute Obstruction of Justice?

Which happens to be a Federal felony? :-)

Blogger Shane Bradman December 19, 2019 9:44 PM  

Can the Senate dismiss the impeachment before they ever get the articles?

Blogger Lazarus December 19, 2019 9:48 PM  

It's like Dumb and Dumber for retards.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2019 9:56 PM  

I'm assuming they mean "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell" as if he was the minority leader, the trial would be over and Trump would be found guilty.

Blogger DannyDanger December 19, 2019 10:00 PM  

Thank you Vox for the relentless moral boosters.

Blogger CF Neal December 19, 2019 10:03 PM  

Blood must be spilt, and there will be war.

Blogger Johnny December 19, 2019 10:06 PM  

Maybe it is different if you deal with them one on one, but from afar the Democrat leadership appears to be so unaccommodating that there isn't much point in making a deal with them, other than going through the motions for the sake of appearance.

Blogger Daniel December 19, 2019 10:08 PM  

United States of Disarray.

Blogger Dan B December 19, 2019 10:10 PM  

This amuses me greatly.

Blogger Jack Amok December 19, 2019 10:11 PM  

And another batch of fence-sitters hop down onto Trump's side.

They can't even do frivolous stuff competently.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 19, 2019 10:13 PM  

Well, apparently the God-Emperor's goading hit them right in the hubris. Like Leonidas taunting Xerxes.


Unrelated: I just watched Episode IX. It's the biggest trainwreck in the history of cinema. I wanted to finish a long tradition with my dad by going to see it - if you don't have a tradition like it, don't bother.

It's like JarJar Abrams tried to smash an anime and a bad Marvel movie together using his own shit as the glue, and just put some Star Wars frosting on top.

Blogger Up from the pond December 19, 2019 10:31 PM  

Tribe vs. Feldman.

Blogger Jack Amok December 19, 2019 10:38 PM  

The best case for the Dems is if the Senate just shrugs and votes "no" on the trial. The worst case if that Cocaine Mitch says "Okay, let's start the trial! What's this 'Burisma' stuff we've heard about?"

Dirty Dems probably think they're safe because of mutual assured destruction with dirty GOPers. But Pelosi puts everything in the hands of the GOP Senate as soon as she sends the articles over. McConnell and Trump could - could mind you, not necessarily will, but could - cut a deal with compromised GOPes to keep them out of the mess in exchange for a quiet retirement. The Senate calls witnesses who indict the Dems, and nobody can stop them because the House already threw due process out the window.

Blogger JG Phoenix December 19, 2019 10:41 PM  

So according to Feldman, absolutely nothing's happened legally. Democrat desperation is mind boggling.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 19, 2019 10:49 PM  

You know, I'm starting to finally get the point of the triple parentheses thing, because if you simply highlighted which of the characters in this lunacy are of a certain tiny fraction of the U.S. population, it pretty quickly raises some questions about what's going on. Geez, this is unbelievable.

Blogger Iceeater December 19, 2019 10:58 PM  

WHILE THE WAIT
The dem contract lawyers will use the fact the house impeached to sue for trump data they requested.

Blogger Out of Nod December 19, 2019 10:58 PM  

Just looked them up...yep, every single time

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) December 19, 2019 11:03 PM  

((( Lawrence Tribe )))

((( Noah Feldman )))


i really, REALLY, REALLY am not interested in the legal opinion of some fucking Jews with regards to how the Constitution requires Impeachment be handled.

especially given ((( Nadler ))) and ((( Schiff ))).

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 19, 2019 11:12 PM  

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Blogger James December 19, 2019 11:18 PM  

Why exactly is the " most prestigious law making body in the universe " taking any kind of advice from (((harvard lawyers)))??? Who elected these (((lawyers)))?

Blogger Krymneth December 19, 2019 11:27 PM  

If I didn't already think Q is at least on to something, this would really have me scratching my head. From the official mainstream media perspective, this series of actions makes no sense whatsoever.

@Iceeater: If that's the plan, I'm not sure how they plan on squaring the circle that in terms of requesting documents, he's impeached, but in terms of the Senate, he's not impeached enough for a trial. This attempt to create a middle state probably won't fly for long; too many obvious legal avenues of attack.

The Democrats are trying to open Schrodinger's Box and insist that the cat is alive and dead simultaneously before our very eyes, in whichever state most suits them for the moment. This is a perfectly normal argument in left-land, where consistency is merely the hobgoblin of those who have not sacrificed their minds to leftism, but it's a particularly naked play from most of America's view. Either he's impeached or he's not, but it's not going to look good to try to claim the benefits without the momentarily inconvenient costs. If this is the plan it's a stupid one... or a very desperate one.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel December 19, 2019 11:33 PM  

The amusing thing about "law professors" is that they can have such wildly divergent positions on fundamental or important matters and still occupy positions of similar esteem. They practice a dark art like sorcery.

While all endeavors have a speculative boundary,no physicist will tell you E=mc(cubed) in Newtonian Mechanics.

It is long past the time we stop having philosopher-kings. The requirement to have a JD to practice law is what empowers these pompous asses. We need to let people "read the law" filing wills and estates, and learning to be productive members of society, instead of sending them to places that only distill and nurture sociopathic tendencies. Some states still allow this, but it needs to be revived universally.

Blogger eclecticme December 19, 2019 11:42 PM  

This is not as OT as you might think. I have long complained that the CIA and FBI suck at their day jobs, In addition to chasing imaginary Russians and trying to put Gen. Flynn in prison. I learned another piece of evidence today.

Robert Hanssen is an infamous US spy who worked in the FBI. He was arrested in 2001. His brother in law (BIL) was also an FBI agent. In 1990 the BIL learned that the FBI was searching for a mole in the FBI. He approached FBI Russian counter intelligence and told them that Hanssen had unexplained piles of cash and told his wife in 1985 that they might retire in Poland, then a member of the Warsaw Pact. The FBI did nothing. At least Martha Stewart went to prison. /sarcasm
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/12/predication_is_for_chumps_the_sorry_lesson_linking_crossfire_hurricane_to_robert_hanssen.html

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 19, 2019 11:54 PM  

Noah Feldman was the gay-sounding lolyer at the Judiciary committee hearing. His position isn't contrary to Tribe's, it's just from a different perspective.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2019 12:05 AM  

Iceeater wrote:WHILE THE WAIT

The dem contract lawyers will use the fact the house impeached to sue for trump data they requested.

Has the House impeached? Really?

Does it matter if they have?

Peach mints mean exactly nothing without a Senate conviction. The Senate holds the trial, so the Senate has standing to dig for evidence, if there really is a peach mint. The House has shot its wad, and has no standing to ask for anything at all.

Blogger D. December 20, 2019 12:09 AM  

>https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-director-rogers-disclosed-fisa-abuse-days-after-carter-page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html📁
Important to read and understand.
Something BIG is coming.
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Blogger Bernard Brandt December 20, 2019 12:24 AM  

Wishing to give a bit more light than heat here, I will note that the language dealing with the procedure of Impeachment in the Constitution is sparse. Basically, it says that the sole power of Impeachment rests with the House, while the sole power of trial rests with the Senate, and that in cases of Impeachment of a President, the Chief Justice presides at such trial, while the presiding officer of the Senate is authorized to make such rules as are necessary for trial. The current presiding officer is VP Mike Pence.

Most of the procedural rules on the subject come from the Senate Manuel, the first editions of which were drafted by Thomas Jefferson. Sections 170 et seq. deal with impeachment, and it is there that we find the requirements of the House appointing managers and the managers giving notice to the Senate that articles of impeachment have been issued before trial on those articles can begin.

But, as said before, the Senate has sole power of trial, and the Manual authorizes either the presiding officer or the whole Senate to make any such rules necessary to enable trial, and both the Manual and the Constitution give the Senate the power to issue and enforce subpoenas and contempts.

With all this as background, one way Pence or the Senate could wedge free the current log jam would be to issue rules taking notice of the present Articles, to invite the House to pull their thumbs out of where they are currently lodged, and to appoint managers who will give notice of those Articles, with the further warning that failure to do so within a time certain would result in the issuance of a contempt of Senate.

The details of the punishment such contempt would entail is left as an exercise for the readers here.

Most of the

Blogger tweell December 20, 2019 12:29 AM  

The 106th Congress came up with rules and procedures for the Senate trial of President William Clinton, 20 years ago. Why not use those, Senator McConnell? They were passed with a 100-0 vote, can't get more bipartisan than that!

Blogger Unknownsailor December 20, 2019 12:48 AM  

eclecticme wrote:This is not as OT as you might think. I have long complained that the CIA and FBI suck at their day jobs, In addition to chasing imaginary Russians and trying to put Gen. Flynn in prison. I learned another piece of evidence today.

Robert Hanssen is an infamous US spy who worked in the FBI. He was arrested in 2001. His brother in law (BIL) was also an FBI agent. In 1990 the BIL learned that the FBI was searching for a mole in the FBI. He approached FBI Russian counter intelligence and told them that Hanssen had unexplained piles of cash and told his wife in 1985 that they might retire in Poland, then a member of the Warsaw Pact. The FBI did nothing. At least Martha Stewart went to prison. /sarcasm

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/12/predication_is_for_chumps_the_sorry_lesson_linking_crossfire_hurricane_to_robert_hanssen.html

The history of the spy agencies in the cold war has been written. The KGB won running away. It is easier to note what they did not compromise than what they did.

That the Verona intercepts were successfully kept secret is, IMO, a minor miracle.

The performance of the various intel agencies did not improve following the fall of the Iron Curtain. If anything, it has gotten infinitesimally worse, now that social justice has infected them all.

Those behind this "impeachment" effort have manifestly shown for all to see how arrogant and unintelligent they are.

Blogger Azimus December 20, 2019 1:00 AM  

I think while they're at it they should also vote to impeach the 46th President and hold onto that tok in case it ends it ends up being a Republican.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) December 20, 2019 2:02 AM  

IF
a Court appoints a trial date
AND
one of the litigating parties refuse to appear before the bench
THEN
standard practice is to dismiss the case with prejudice in favor of the party who appeared.


this is well understood legal principle.

Senate should initiate the trial and demand the appearance of the House managers.

should the House managers refuse to appear, the Senate should dismiss all charges with prejudice and grant Defendant damages ... in this case, an investigation of these treasonous Democrats and the arrest of a bunch of FBI and CIA operatives.

Blogger APL December 20, 2019 2:49 AM  

Noah Feldman & Lawrence Tribe.

Now they are just taking the piss!

Blogger Noah B. December 20, 2019 3:11 AM  

"He approached FBI Russian counter intelligence and told them that Hanssen had unexplained piles of cash and told his wife in 1985 that they might retire in Poland, then a member of the Warsaw Pact. The FBI did nothing."

Sounds like that FBI agent went to Hansen and cut in on the deal. Probably ran interference for Hansen thereafter.

Blogger Pseudotsuga December 20, 2019 3:26 AM  

But...but...all the cool kids are laughing and cheering "Ding dong, the Trump is impeached! Trump is impeached!"
Dare we tell them that their revenge porn fantasies are just that -- fantasies?

Blogger Ranger December 20, 2019 4:11 AM  

There are not enough Republican traitors in the Senate to impeach Trump. There might be enough traitors in the Senate to establish trial rules that will inflict maximum damage on Trump and minimal damage on his opponents.

That is the game Democrats are playing. It will not work because, by now, Trump has enough leverage over those traitors to stop them from doing so.

Blogger Gettimothy December 20, 2019 4:39 AM  

It is not lost on normal people that these (((lawyers))) are an evil force and wholly anti-American.


Belloc smiles from Heaven

Blogger The Cooler December 20, 2019 4:43 AM  

OT:

Christianity Today goes full Judeo-Christ. Note the appeal to The World and what it thinks muddled with rectitude:

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come?

https://time.com/5753288/christianity-today-trump-removal-from-office/

Blogger Slippin JImmy December 20, 2019 5:14 AM  

I believe that is the position Cocaine Mitch has taken.

Blogger Lazarus December 20, 2019 5:23 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Has the House impeached? Really?



If or when expected indictments are handed down, the conspirators can push the narrative that Trump is a tyrant destroying the fabric of democracy to save his own skin.

And almost half the country will believe it.

Blogger Lovekraft December 20, 2019 5:35 AM  

And to think that, because the memes were censored, we are reduced to actually applying hard logic to our arguments. Before it was just playful mocking. Now, without this release valve, people are on another level in terms of seeing how the Sorosians operate

Blogger John Henry Eden December 20, 2019 5:50 AM  

((( Tribe, Feldman, Schumer, Nadler, Schiff, Karlan))) ad infinitum & ad nauseum.

And just like that, Hitler came to power.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 20, 2019 6:42 AM  

FFS, either Orange Man is bad or he isn't. Transmit the articles to the Senate or GTFO.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 20, 2019 7:02 AM  

The Democrats keep acting like Republicans used to, arguing the legalese while getting the rhetoric all wrong. Americans don't know or care about the obscure legal arguments they're hiding behind, but they understand concepts like the right to a speedy trial and the right to face your accusers and be told your charges. Basic American stuff the Dems are violating.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2019 7:14 AM  

What warms my heart is finally in my lifetime the Conservative Stooge Losers are being shoved aside taking their essays and egos which greatly assisted the Left these decades with them hopefully never to be seen again.

Blogger Griffin the Grey December 20, 2019 7:22 AM  

He advocated the idea of delaying sending over the articles to the Senate as a leverage point to try to secure better terms.

They say leverage I say rope around their own neck. Or perhaps it's a red scarf.

Blogger ZhukovG December 20, 2019 7:31 AM  

@Lazarus: It was always going to be this way. At least 40% of the country will fight the GE regardless.

This is just the next act in the Dissolution of the American Union.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Avalanche December 20, 2019 7:32 AM  

@17 Cocaine Mitch says "Okay, let's start the trial! What's this 'Burisma' stuff we've heard about?"

Or, he could say it now and send them squawking back to hide in their henhouse!!

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei December 20, 2019 7:35 AM  

(((Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe))) advocated the idea of delaying sending over the articles to the Senate as a leverage point to try to secure better terms.


Definitive proof of just how stupid not only lawyers, but prestige-school lawyers, really are. What sort of dunderhead thinks refusing to give someone something they don't want creates leverage ?

Blogger Avalanche December 20, 2019 7:46 AM  

@47 "right to a speedy trial and the right to face your accusers and be told your charges. Basic American stuff the Dems are violating."

Isn't that evil behavior actually in the job description of Dem or liberal?

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 20, 2019 8:24 AM  

I wonder if this Lawrence Tribe is the same Laurence Tribe noted for taking down the long proposed notion that the second amendment was only a collective right.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2019 8:33 AM  

Lazarus wrote:If or when expected indictments are handed down, the conspirators can push the narrative that Trump is a tyrant destroying the fabric of democracy to save his own skin.

And almost half the country will believe it.

That half was already committed to evil, or to inaction.

Probably 20% are actually committed to the globohomo cause.
Probably 20% are committed to fighting it.
That leaves 60% or so committed to sportsball and TV. The majority will go along with the establishment of the reign of the GE as happily as they went along with 0bammy.

The lines are drawn, sides are chosen, and none of that posturing is going to change anything.

Blogger Christopher December 20, 2019 8:58 AM  

With regard to speedy trial, just setting a trial date and defaulting, and leverage, here's some opinion and speculation:

To be charitable and imagine their thinking, there's also a Sword of Damocles aspect. What happens if 6 or 10 GOP senators or whatever can't make it to the Chambers for an extended (permanent?) period of time? What are the rules? Who is in charge? How would that work?

Meanwhile if they don't do that last step of filing or walking over or whatever with the articles, they preserve at least a legal fig leaf of deniability for the whole thing --so if the Storm comes they avoid that count of treason.

So it's posturing but it's also moving a piece in play that the Senate GOP will have to keep an eye on and factor in.

Blogger Ranger December 20, 2019 8:58 AM  

This whole talk of leverage is a confession by the Democrats that there is 0% chance of impeachment passing the Senate and that Trump is actually innocent. Refusing to send a case to trial is not leverage over a guilty person, only an innocent one who wants his name cleared.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2019 9:13 AM  

> Can the Senate dismiss the impeachment before they ever get the articles?

If they want to, certainly.

> I think while they're at it they should also vote to impeach the 46th President and hold onto that tok in case it ends it ends up being a Republican.


As I've noted elsewhere, if the House want to "pretend" they've impeached the President, the Senate can "pretend" they've passed articles of impeachment for all the sitting House democrats and a couple of Supreme Court justices too. And vote accordingly.

Blogger tuberman December 20, 2019 9:52 AM  

OC

"Probably 20% are actually committed to the globohomo cause."

You always express my most pessimistic thoughts, but I really think less than 10% will be all in for the globohomo agenda, after the paid troops are no longer paid by Soros.

Blogger ZammyPup December 20, 2019 10:02 AM  

Asking for a friend...

If a House in a swamp impeaches a president and no one is there to believe them, does the sound of rubble bouncing still make a sound?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2019 10:31 AM  

tuberman wrote:You always express my most pessimistic thoughts, but I really think less than 10% will be all in for the globohomo agenda, after the paid troops are no longer paid by Soros.
I vaguely recall reading that fewer than 20% of Americans consider themselves Left/Liberal/Progressive. That's an upper bound on committed Lefties.

You're probably right that fewer than 10% will actually be willing to take a risk for the Left.

Blogger kurt9 December 20, 2019 10:54 AM  

Well, the House just shutdown for Christmas/New Year holidays.

I have a feeling this impeachment thing will not go anywhere.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 20, 2019 11:53 AM  

They're hoping Senate Republicans will be harassed and threatened back home over the Christmas break and come back more malleable. But House Democrats will have to face their constituents too, and they aren't all as secure as Pelosi.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2019 12:06 PM  

> What happens if 6 or 10 GOP senators or whatever can't make it to the Chambers for an extended (permanent?) period of time?

They need yes voted to impeach. Missing votes won't do it.

Blogger BrentG December 20, 2019 12:46 PM  

A perspective from Thomas Wictor. It could be plausible - the GE does not come across like a man would would leave rabid dogs alive to go after his family.

Thomas Wictor:

I haven't seen a single analysis that is on target. Literally nobody in the country except for a tiny handful of Trump's allies understands what's happening.
Everybody is thinking tactically, while of course Trump is thinking strategically.
All you have to do is ask yourself how Trump can prevent this from happening again, and you'll find that there's only one answer.
END

What the Democrats have done is a threat to the entire governance of the republic.
And you're thinking in terms of lawyers asking a couple of questions, and then the Senate voting.
How would that address the threat of the total collapse of the system itself?
Trump has to provide a solution. If not, the Democrats will impeach him and Pence again and again and again.
What's the only solution?
The death of the Democratic party.

The impeachment encompasses everything that Trump has been talking about, so OF COURSE he'll be allowed to prove that what he's saying is true.
He has HARD EVIDENCE.
This isn't a law-school exercise. You're thinking too small.
But so is everybody else.
I have to admit that it's frustrating, but there's nothing I can do about it.
Trump's going to destroy he Democratic party. McConnell and Graham are admitting it.

The trial isn't going to be about the articles of impeachment.
It's going to be about the lawlessness of the PROCESS of impeachment, which stemmed from the utter lawlessness of the Democrats.
What I hate about lawyers is that they present "theories."
In this case, the defense theory will be that the impeachment was the result of massive, near-universal corruption of the Democrats and our law-enforcement and intelligence arms.

There's tons of stuff going on that isn't as it seems.
You're thinking that Trump will do something entirely conventional, but he's never done anything conventionally.
HE GOADED THE DEMOCRATS INTO IMPEACHING HIM.
Why would he do that?
Because he's got big plans for them.

The defendant gets to take the stand during his defense.
As a lawyer, you're thinking that they're going to ask him, "Did you do this?" and he'll say, "I sure didn't."
That's not going to happen.
Trump's defense team is going to produce HARD EVIDENCE of the corruption.
That means documentation.
I wouldn't be surprised if they have tapes and videos.
Why hasn't Trump complained about Christopher Wray of the FBI?

A better question is, "What ISN'T he going to say?"
People are unable to grasp what's coming, despite the fact that Trump has said in plain English what he's going to do.
He said he's going to expose all the corruption.
What did you think he meant? An Oval Office address? A press conference?
No.
During a trial.

Blogger Geir Balderson December 20, 2019 1:06 PM  

Poor Al Green is turning over in his grave. Oh wait, he is only brain dead. The body still zombie wobbles along.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2019 1:17 PM  

BrentG wrote:Thomas Wictor:What the Democrats have done is a threat to the entire governance of the republic.
...
What's the only solution?

The death of the Democratic party.

Wictor is not thinking clearly. The Dems are just one little part of the mess. Their GOP co-conspirators are just another little part of the mess. If Trump doesn't take out much of the ruling class that anoints and funds and directs the political class, we'll be right back in the soup - no, we'll never climb out of the soup pot!

So far, it looks as if he's going to try to kill the Dems, maybe literally, decimate the GOP, maybe literally, but there is no sign yet that he is at all willing to de-legitimize the system as a whole, no sign yet that he is going to decimate the ruling class that has made it all happen.

When I voted for Trump, I figured he was just going to take out the GOP. By 2024 he will have done a lot more than that, but there will still be a lot more to do.

Blogger Kirk Parker December 20, 2019 4:30 PM  

That wasn't Tribe at all, it was Sanford Levinson

Blogger An Orthodox Christian December 20, 2019 6:09 PM  

No mention in Constitution of "transmittal", just Senate "rules"-which can be changed at the will of a majority of it's members. Why not simply change transmittal to be recognition of the public record of the event and then proceed with the trial? Arguing that it would break precedent would be ridiculous given the process followed in the House to arrive here.

Blogger jarheadljh December 20, 2019 7:55 PM  

HOW CAN SOMEONE HAVE THIS JOB THIS LONG AND BE THIS BAD AT THIS?!?!?!?!?!?

Trump can't wait for his Senate trial which he knows he'll win considering that he is the first and only president facing an impeachment without an actual crime attached.... but as of right now he hasn't even been impeached yet.

Even better McConnell has told them that he doesn't care if Pelosi ever delivers them, and if they are he might just use the same rules drafted up for Bill Clinton's impeachment which were absolutely tailored to help him beat it, and then give Trump the same leg up.

It is absolutely true that the only thing needed for evil to rise is that good men do nothing, because it's becoming quite obvious that if good men phoned in even mild resistance then evil would be stomped flat.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2019 9:34 PM  

> Even better McConnell has told them that he doesn't care if Pelosi ever delivers them,

He's done that.

> and if they are he might just use the same rules drafted up for Bill Clinton's impeachment

And he's proposed that.

Blogger Akulkis December 20, 2019 10:21 PM  

@2

"So Harvard law degrees are officially trash. The alumni should be ashamed their school has come to this."

I've got news for you -- it's ALWAYS been that bad. My uncle rose to the head of Personnel at Cadillac's main plant. He said it was consistent that engineering he interviewed who were recent graduates from Harvard and Yale were of significantly lower quality, and even mental aptitude than those coming out of the Big 10 and other public universities. According to him, when it comes to engineers, only graduates from MIT, University of Pennsylvania and Dartmouth were worthy of the mystique lauded on those with "An Ivy League Degree."

Blogger Macs December 21, 2019 9:00 AM  

It certainly seems quite the (((coincidence))))...

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