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Wednesday, December 04, 2019

Epstein didn't kill himself

And no matter what the mainstream media says, neither did his banker:
Jeffrey Epstein’s private wealth banker, who brokered and signed off on untold multiple millions of dollars in controversial Deutsche Bank and Citibank loans spanning two decades for the convicted pedophile, has died from a reported suicide.

The news of yet another mysterious Epstein-linked death comes shortly after the FBI was seeking to interview the bank executive about loans he approved for Epstein and the indicted child trafficker’s labyrinth of US-based and offshore companies.

The Los Angeles County Medical Examiner confirmed Thomas Bowers died by an apparent suicide by hanging at his home before Thanksgiving.

Epstein likewise died from a reported suicide by hanging, according to the New York City Medical Examiner.
No word as to whether it was a red scarf or not.

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Blogger SemiSpook37 December 04, 2019 9:13 AM  

Then there was that case from earlier in November where an FBI agent and his wife were found dead because he was about to testify on the Clintons. Apparently, he was stabbed and shot while she was just shot (can't find a good portmanteau for murder-Arkancide). Can't find the link, but this just reminded me of the story.

If anything, these enforcers are getting sloppy. Not that they weren't before, but it's getting more and more obvious.

Blogger thechortling December 04, 2019 9:18 AM  

interesting how the media immediately painted this as Trump's banker.

Blogger VFM Bear December 04, 2019 9:20 AM  

"Los Angeles County Medical Examiner confirmed Thomas Bowers died by an apparent suicide "

Quincy, M.E., is rolling over in his grave.

I am medical examiner, and so can you!

Blogger Gettimothy December 04, 2019 9:35 AM  

Be mind blowing if it was American Deep State doing the killing and not (((others)))

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 04, 2019 9:43 AM  

It's like following the bread crumbs at this point.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 04, 2019 9:43 AM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:If anything, these enforcers are getting sloppy. Not that they weren't before, but it's getting more and more obvious.

That's the idea. It's about sending a message.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 04, 2019 9:43 AM  

Even if Epstein really did commit suicide, Epstein didn't kill himself.

Blogger Dole December 04, 2019 9:46 AM  

Was the suicide committed with a sheet like Epstein or the tried and true three shots to the back of the head?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 04, 2019 9:52 AM  

The Epstein Didn't Kill Himself meme has even made it to Skyrim modding:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30532

Blogger pdwalker December 04, 2019 9:54 AM  

move along, nothing to see here. nope. nada.

Blogger BillHinDaytona December 04, 2019 9:55 AM  

Serious questions.

Who would give the orders?

Who would carry them out?

And how?

Is it one person who shows up with a special suicide kit? Is it two?

Are the logistics of this sort of thing known?


Blogger xevious2030 December 04, 2019 9:56 AM  

Wasn't a car wreck, plane crash, or a heart attack. Wonder if he was upside down, by a leg.

Anonymous Anonymous December 04, 2019 9:58 AM  

Drudge linked to a story about Bower's death Nov 28 and he was referred to as a Trump banker

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid December 04, 2019 10:04 AM  

Doesn't matter in the slightest. Read crime fiction if you want to taste the crumbs of dirt.

Blogger John Rockwell December 04, 2019 10:04 AM  

Trying to cover their tracks. Now how can the hunt go on.

Blogger Lazarus December 04, 2019 10:15 AM  

BillHinDaytona wrote:Are the logistics of this sort of thing known?

Ask Mossad.

Blogger Raker_T December 04, 2019 10:18 AM  

FWIW: a couple days ago I was again redaing in the old book
Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine, VOL. XLIX January - June 1841, page242
"...-but the thugs of the present day (who all exert themselves to be of the same sect or cast with the Bohrehs of Guzerat) generally hold a remarkable rank in society, and are even remarkable, according to the unanimous testimony of the officers charged with the inquiry, for the external decorum and probity of their conduct.
We have already stated that the adoration of the Hindoo Godess, Kalee, (under her various titles of Kalle-Durga, Davee, and Bhowanee,) is common to both Hindoo and Moslem Thugs : and the latter appear to have been perplexed in their examinations to reconcile this with the unity of the Godhead as declared by Mohammed, or to justify their deeds of death by the precepts of the Koran, in which they were forced to admit that robbery and murder were denounced as deadly sins : but a "Mussulman Thug" from Hindostan interposed, and said that he thought Bhowanee and Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed and wife of Ali, were one and the same persons, and that it was Fatima who invented the use of the handkerchief to strangle the great demon, Rukut-beej-dana" -a metamorphosis of the amiable Fatima which greatly scandalized the Moslem officers in attendance, but which shows at once the Shea or Ismaili tendency of the speaker's faith, and the extent to which the history and fundamental doctrines of that faith must have been lost sight of, or corrupted by the sect which could imagine so monstrous an anomaly. It is extremely probably that the practice of Thugee itself, and the peculiar method of strangling the victim by a noose or handkerchief, may be really entitled to the Hindoo origin..."

Blogger English Tom December 04, 2019 10:22 AM  

It doesn't mention any door handle.

Blogger Joe Smith December 04, 2019 10:45 AM  

The powers that be seem to enjoy being obvious and then convincing people that to notice the obvious makes one a “conspiracy theorist” and therefore crazy. Controlling the discourse for so long has apparently fooled them into believing that controlling the narrative really does alter the actual world.

Blogger Barbarossa December 04, 2019 10:49 AM  

@7 This. When Seneca the Younger opened his veins, he did so knowing that Nero would otherwise do far worse to him and his family.

Blogger Gettimothy December 04, 2019 11:00 AM  

Jonah Goldberg would approve as long it was Government doing the killing.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei December 04, 2019 11:05 AM  

@11 -

Who would give the orders?

The list of suspects is long, but the name "Clinton" is near the top.

Who would carry them out?

The criminal and intelligence communities are full of people happy to kill for cash, or even just for fun and favors.

And how?

Is it one person who shows up with a special suicide kit? Is it two?

Are the logistics of this sort of thing known?


It's not at all difficult for one or two people, sufficiently motivated, to force someone to commit what appears to be suicide. Threats to any family are effective, and even when face their own ultimate end, most people won't fight anyway. Heck, Bowers might think they were doing him a favor: he was facing a very public humiliation, and if he was forced to do it, he wasn't really committing suicide.

Blogger Avalanche December 04, 2019 11:31 AM  

@22 "Who would carry them out?
The criminal and intelligence communities are full of people happy to kill for cash, or even just for fun and favors."

Plus, (((they))) have imported many thousands of MS-13; so as to have "ready-to-use: just add money" killers. See: Seth Rich, et al..

Blogger Unknown December 04, 2019 11:35 AM  

Just before Thanksgiving? Damn.. The globalists are satanic to the core..

Blogger Unknown December 04, 2019 11:44 AM  

See michael clayton.

Blogger Johnny Reb December 04, 2019 11:44 AM  

The next victim of Epsteincide will be Prince Andrew.

Blogger Johnny Reb December 04, 2019 11:45 AM  

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Blogger SemiSpook37 December 04, 2019 11:58 AM  

Fuzzums Wuzzums wrote:That's the idea. It's about sending a message.

Oh, there is a message, no doubt. The problem is they keep sending the same one over and over, so much so that it has now become a complete joke. I think both Vince Foster and Ron Brown would have some inputs on said messaging.

For those of us who are anti-Clintonista, we get it. You don't want people talking. Maybe try not being so obvious about it?

Blogger Doug Cranmer December 04, 2019 12:01 PM  

bodenlose Schweinerei wrote:It's not at all difficult for one or two people, sufficiently motivated, to force someone to commit what appears to be suicide. Threats to any family are effective, and even when face their own ultimate end, most people won't fight anyway.

Look at the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman in Toronto two years ago. Billionaires and he was the CEO of Apotex, a huge pharmaceutical company.

Here is wikipedia's description of the scene.

There ...discovered on the floor next to the pool [were] Barry and Honey's bodies. Both of their necks were tied with leather belts to a metal railing slightly over a metre high around the pool. Barry was seated, his legs crossed, on the pool deck; Honey was on her side with a bruise on her face. Coats pulled down over their shoulders restraining their arms; they were facing away from the water and fully clothed.

A straightforward murder does not require that. That was a message.

Blogger Oswald December 04, 2019 12:06 PM  

Dead men tell no tales as they say. It all disgusts me. The crimes, the cover ups, the crimes committed to cover up earlier crimes and earlier cover ups. The scum at the top appearing to get away with it. I hope Trump can take down some of these otherwise untouchables. I feel like a rant, but I will resist.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 04, 2019 1:00 PM  

Fuzzums Wuzzums wrote:That's the idea. It's about sending a message.
The message is that they can get away with murder.

So far, they have gotten away with it. If they ever get busted for murder, that will be another glorious first for the Trump Administration.

Blogger Nate73 December 04, 2019 1:32 PM  

In other words the LA County Medical Examiner is completely controlled by the deep state.

Blogger Robert What? December 04, 2019 1:34 PM  

Where is Barr in all of this? Much like Sessions before him, Barr seems to be MIA.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 04, 2019 1:43 PM  

I saw a couple of people remarking that apparently Epstein's plastic surgeon "committed suicide" too!
Hm, Banker & Plastic Surgeon… why, if the FBI didn't declare that Conspiracy Theories were a form of Domestic Terrorism, I'd be tempted to say something! Good thing I'm only a Coincidence Theorist.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 04, 2019 2:05 PM  

I just signed to UATV.
Please, give them pain.

Blogger Brick Hardslab December 04, 2019 2:06 PM  

When they were murdering all the epidemiologists and then the bankers it was clear there was something specific they were worried about. This whole thing matches the same pattern. Maybe it's the accumulation of misdeeds or maybe it's one specific, (Clinton).

Blogger Raker_T December 04, 2019 2:11 PM  

I have a number of thoughts regarding these incidents, here's one:
Where's justice in America? If one of these El Slezebos was arrested and tried, what punishment would be meted out? Acquittal? Time already served? Maybe the worst thing you could do to one of these poor bastards is to make a public announcement "So and So is about to be investigated by the FBI". Just how many desperate calls have they been getting along these lines: "This is P.B. So and So, ya gotta help me, see. Ya gotta get me in the witness protection program NOW"?
Agents talking to each other "Hey did you get a call from Poor Bastard So and So? "Don't recall. I'll check my messages next week to see."

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 04, 2019 2:17 PM  

It must have been a Shapiru sheet, otherwise they would not be so secretive.

Blogger Raker_T December 04, 2019 2:26 PM  

Sort of like being SWATed, only this is called testified.

Blogger Warunicorn December 04, 2019 2:29 PM  

Are they going to believe us now or..?

Blogger Al K. Annossow December 04, 2019 2:42 PM  

No word as to whether it was a red scarf or not.

No I used a pail blue scarf. That color of fiber is more ubiquitous. They are withholding the color because that detail can be used to trap a suspect if during questioning, he accidentally reveals that he knows the color.

Blogger Raker_T December 04, 2019 2:47 PM  

Come to think of it, it's a lot like trial and sentencing all in one. You make the investigation announcement. Then, if Arkansas and Co. know you're actually involved, it moves immediately to the sentencing phase. Saves taxpayers literally millions of dollars. That, and selling rice to the Chinese, man, this is quite the show.

Blogger Al K. Annossow December 04, 2019 2:59 PM  

Johnny Reb wrote:The next victim of Epsteincide will be Prince Andrew.
I follow your logic, but by sidelining him, the queen made a public statement that they now have him under control. That's about as much punishment that any royalty would ever receive for any crime.
But are his accusers under control? Accusing royalty of a crime is itself a crime that does not appear in the law books. Sigh. The British part of me likes law and order.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira December 04, 2019 3:42 PM  

He hung himself with a rope made from silly string.

Blogger riffer73 December 04, 2019 3:56 PM  

The Hangman is on a roll since botching the Sherman job in Toronto.

Blogger Boaty Bear December 04, 2019 4:24 PM  

Sessions set John Durham on his way, that's not nothing.

Blogger Dyspeptic December 04, 2019 5:17 PM  

"Where is Barr in all of this? Much like Sessions before him, Barr seems to be MIA."

It could just be that Barr, like most high government officials is a figurehead and not really in control of anything. The extent of the Deep State is vast and complex and Republican appointees seem generally far too gullible and trusting of their subordinates and the institutions they lead. After you have lived in the swamp for awhile they say you don't even notice the smell anymore. But it still stinks to high heaven.

Blogger Dyspeptic December 04, 2019 5:27 PM  

"Sessions set John Durham on his way, that's not nothing."

Incorrect. Barr appointed Durham. Sleepy Jeff charged U.S. Attorney John Huber with some sort of investigative task which several years later has amounted to nothing.

Blogger Azimus December 04, 2019 5:56 PM  

Hmm... suicided because FBI was going to interview them...

Can the FBI try to interview Bill and Hillary next?

Blogger Didas Kalos December 04, 2019 7:17 PM  

Was this Tampa doctor associated with Epstein at all? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wfla.com/news/hillsborough-county/wrong-fuel-caused-plane-crash-that-killed-tampa-surgeon-ntsb-says/amp/

Blogger Hammerli 280 December 04, 2019 8:07 PM  

Barr appears to be playing his cards very close to his vest. And properly so. The Seditious Conspiracy is very, very large. I would hope that Durham's team is using encrypted communications for everything.

Blogger California Bear December 04, 2019 8:50 PM  

What is meant by wondering if it was a "red scarf"?

Blogger John Bradley December 04, 2019 9:53 PM  

Red Scarf ref: see the Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain suicides. Or 'suicides'.

Blogger Engineer-Poet December 04, 2019 11:41 PM  

As I recall from some time back, fuel tank openings and fuel fillers were changed to prevent any possibility of Jet-A being put into the tanks of planes using aviation gasoline.

If Jet-A was put into an Aerostar in 2019, it was no accident.  It was murder.

Blogger James December 05, 2019 12:09 AM  

Comments keep refering to the Clintons, they have always been under Mossad direction. This entire pedophilia operation/Honey Trap is Mossad. Every. Fucking. (((Time))). As to the red scarf, see past "suicides" of high profile svumbags, the color red seems to have some strange significance with these freaks.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) December 05, 2019 12:27 AM  

regarding the plastic surgeon, this is what his plane looks like:
http://www.aest-sales.com/N6893Y.html

this is the supposed justification for cross-fueling the plane:
"The airport employee told the NTSB he asked if he wanted jet fuel because “the airplane looked like a jet airplane,” the report says. Captain Cox tells 8 On Your Side the Piper Aerostar 602P may look like a jet to someone who doesn’t know better. "

this is about as plausible as Epstein committing suicide.

what kind of a retard needs training to observe whether there are props or not?

further, the fuel man says this in the next paragraph:
"He says he heard the engines start up shortly after and claims they sounded “typical."

since WHEN does a prop engine sound typically like a jet engine?

even better? in 2014, Kokomo municipal had approx 2% of flights powered by jet engine ...

it's a +90% prop, single engine traffic FBO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokomo_Municipal_Airport

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KOKK
Aircraft based on the field: 47
Single engine airplanes: 45
Multi engine airplanes: 1
Helicopters : 1

according to AirNav, there aren't even any jets based in Kokomo Muni. all jet traffic would be visiting.

Blogger Monotonous Languor December 05, 2019 6:42 AM  

Iesus Christus....
At 3 am in the morning I sometimes wake up with a black pill in my mouth, wondering if the US will hold together long enough to even make it to the 2020 elections.

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