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Sunday, December 01, 2019

Mailvox: sympathy for the dark lord

As his channel becomes more popular, the Kurgan begins to grasp the essence of gammatude:
As my channel slowly grows I am getting a renewed empathy for the level of gamma as well as just general idiocy you deal with, including from some Ilk.

I mean... I’m not exactly what you’d call a very hopeful and optimistic character when it comes to the expectations of rationality from other humans but it’s truly a wonder to behold to what lengths people will avoid the plain facts in front of them in order to keep believing some absurd concept or outright lie they became invested in.

I mean... it’s enough to make me wonder if a lot of humans really aren’t monkeys. Darwin wasn’t right, but he may have stumbled upon a Tolkien-like veracity... possibly Satan makes them orcishly stupid, reminiscent of bonobos on crack.

You have my sympathy given the few orders of magnitude more of volume you deal with.
One cannot understand the core concept of gamma without grasping that the gamma male's absolute priority is maintaining the integrity of his delusion bubble. Now, every man is capable of being similarly stubborn and stupid about any idea to which he is emotionally attached, but what separates the gamma pattern of behavior from those of other male behaviors is the way that the gamma applies this instinctive response to everything, especially anything that has the potential to threaten his precious self-esteem.

And as for the reference to gammas among the Dread Ilk, keep in mind that being more or less ideologically correct is no defense against a pattern of behavior instilled over the course of one's formative years. I like to think that the gammas among us have at least a fighting chance to conquer their instincts, given their information on the subject, but that doesn't change the fact that they are facing a daily battle against themselves that the rest of us will never fully understand or appreciate.

Speaking of The Kurgan's channel, his methodical destruction of Jay Dyer's criticism of the Roman Catholic Church will likely be more than a little familiar to anyone who has read one of my systematic critiques. Being neither Catholic nor Orthodox, I have no dog in this hunt, but it is always a pleasure to read through a dialectical argument with this level of attention to detail.

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106 Comments:

Blogger JACIII December 01, 2019 8:50 AM  

Kurgan cannot abide criticism of his gay commie pope.

Blogger Gettimothy December 01, 2019 8:56 AM  

You two look like brothers.

Blogger Weak December 01, 2019 9:00 AM  

As a recovered gamma, can confirm that being in the Dread Ilk can be a good place to identify the gammitude in yourself and start cleansing it.

Blogger Section 8A December 01, 2019 9:12 AM  

I have a tiny youtube channel, with little movement - 400 followers - and the last 2 comments have been gammas making comments about me. It baffles me how people exist like this. The irony is the www can hide identity, but it can't hide personality.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 01, 2019 9:31 AM  

The most reliable cure for gamma behavior is a punch in the mouth. Naturally an environment where such a thing is impossible is going to be a haven for gammas.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 01, 2019 9:36 AM  

Now, every man is capable of being similarly stubborn and stupid about any idea to which he is emotionally attached, but what separates the gamma pattern of behavior from those of other male behaviors is the way that the gamma applies this instinctive response to everything, especially anything that has the potential to threaten his precious self-esteem.

Hmmm, if the Gamma pre-hedges against anything he perceives might pierce his delusion, logically it would imply that he is at least to some degree aware that it, actually, is a delusion.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 01, 2019 9:36 AM  

Between Jay Dyer and The Kurgan one thing I'm certain of: only one of them is willing to step up and have his views directly challenged, and it's not the one with fewer followers or no record of public debates.

Blogger VD December 01, 2019 9:38 AM  

Between Jay Dyer and The Kurgan one thing I'm certain of: only one of them is willing to step up and have his views directly challenged, and it's not the one with fewer followers or no record of public debates.

Then your grasp of reality is almost certainly weak. Have you learned literally nothing from how I deal with people's supporters?

It will be interesting to see how you react if a) the Kurgan challenges Jay Dyer to a debate and b) the latter declines.

Blogger CCP December 01, 2019 9:42 AM  

In the corporate tech world, I find I often need help from Subject Matter Expert Gammas. My process....

1. Talk one on one with them. They chill out a bit when not needing to protect their bubble in front of an audience.

2. Chit chat a bit first and talk a little sh%t about the Alpha boss or company. This gets them on your side.

3. Boost their ego when you ask for help. "I know some Linux, but certainly not at your level. Could you take a look at X and tell me how you would fix it?"


Does anyone else have any techniques that you find work well?

Blogger ScottC December 01, 2019 9:50 AM  

Most Holy Family Monastery exposed Dyer as a narcissist fraud. If a debate isn't going his way Dyer turns it into a gangsta rap battle and puts down his opponent's intelligence, or else he interrupts his challenger before they can complete a sentence ala Eric Orwoll.

Blogger Crush Limbraw December 01, 2019 9:52 AM  

Isn't gamma just willful ignorance?
As defined by Merriam as I recall: "Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one's inner model of reality. At heart, it is almost certainly driven by confirmation bias . Willful ignorance differs from ordinary "ignorance" — when someone is simply unaware of something — in that willfully ignorant people are fully aware of facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them."
All driven by their need to protect their precious ego or self-esteem!
Sort of reminds me of VD's description of rationalization I read years ago.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 01, 2019 9:55 AM  

I mean... it’s enough to make me wonder if a lot of humans really aren’t monkeys. Darwin wasn’t right, but he may have stumbled upon a Tolkien-like veracity... possibly Satan makes them orcishly stupid, reminiscent of bonobos on crack.

Apes don't have free will. NPCs do, but choose not to ever use it.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 01, 2019 9:56 AM  

@8

I did notice you doing the exact same thing when you posted that cartoon with BB and that other guy. Not having a dog in the fight is the first rule of enjoying internet fights.

If Dyer declines I will shame him into accepting each chance I'll get. Debate Uber Alles.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 01, 2019 9:57 AM  

Related: the Mouse Utopia is basically what happens when humans never ever use their free will. They become animals.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. December 01, 2019 10:15 AM  

Methodical destruction means watching 10% of Dyer's video and then autistically screeching about lies while providing no evidence. I hope they do debate.

Blogger David Ray Milton December 01, 2019 10:17 AM  

Make Eunuchs Great Again. If you’re only using your balls for pornography, it would be better to do away with them in the fire. I have wondered recently if the gamma types were designed by God for the contemplative/hermitic life, which seems to be a consistent feature of any religion or spirituality. It relieves them of having to perform for women, which they are terrible at anyway. Their lives can be intellectually oriented, which they would enjoy. Best of all for the rest of us, they would be restricted behind the monastery walls.

Blogger Out of Nod December 01, 2019 10:24 AM  

The Internet brought out the worst in people behind a wall of anonymity where they used to learn how to control their passions for the sake of communal harmony in the real world. It's sad these gammas have nothing better to do with their time.

Blogger John Regan December 01, 2019 10:26 AM  

The SSPX is heretical, according to The Kurgan? That's pretty hard core. I mean, there's an argument to be made, but at some point you make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 01, 2019 10:28 AM  

The Kurgan is great. He's understood exactly what Jay Dyer is up to and knows exactly how to handle it. There will be no debates or discussion until Jay Dyer stops lying. Dyer is an unpleasant leech on the arm of the Orthodox Church.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 01, 2019 10:30 AM  

@1 If you had spent one second listening to The Kurgan you wouldn't say something so retarded.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman December 01, 2019 10:32 AM  

Never understood the gamma reaction to things. Its interesting how you mention formative years. I remember, in youth, those kids who desperately wanted to be part of the group but didn’t quite make it. It seemed odd to me, that they didnt just find activities and subjects they could be interested/participate in solo. I learned early on if , for whatever reason, the group(s) dont want you - forge your own destiny. Being alone is not really that scary... in fact its quite soothing for the soul.

Blogger Silent Draco December 01, 2019 10:35 AM  

CCP, yeah, sounds familiar. I followed up every couple days or event cycles, gave the pitch of "you know the detail, counting on you to give me good results by [due time]". Had to make sure they got done and delivered when I needed it. Almost always gave acknowledgement of their contribution to supervisor and higher level Alpha. Problem: being kind to one meant summoning a small nest.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman December 01, 2019 10:38 AM  

“recently if the gamma types were designed by God for the contemplative/hermitic life”

Not possible.. their inner desire is to ALWAYS want to be not just accepted by the group... but lording over the group as if they're some great guru.
Omegas and certain Sigmas would be great candidates for the hermitic life. In fact ... alll of them would love it b/c finally annoying people are leaving them the f!@k alone.

Blogger VD December 01, 2019 10:41 AM  

Methodical destruction means watching 10% of Dyer's video and then autistically screeching about lies while providing no evidence.

The evidence is Dyer's video. There is no need to repeat evidence that is clearly cited. You are, again, clearly too short for this ride.

Blogger VD December 01, 2019 10:42 AM  

That's pretty hard core.

What part of "The Kurgan" is hard to understand?

Blogger VFM #7634 December 01, 2019 10:48 AM  

Kurgan cannot abide criticism of his gay commie pope.

It's bad enough that Catholicism only still makes sense if Francis and his five predecessors are antipopes. If Francis is actually truly pope, Catholicism is a false religion.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 01, 2019 10:53 AM  

The SSPX is heretical, according to The Kurgan? That's pretty hard core. I mean, there's an argument to be made, but at some point you make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Officially, the SSPX recognizes the false Vatican II antipopes as valid. Not everyone in the SSPX does, but those who do hold outwardly to that position are heretics because, in order to accept the antipopes as valid, they have to believe that 1) you don't have to submit to the Pope, and 2) the Pope can teach and promulgate heresy and other evils.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 10:56 AM  

@Fuzzums
Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi...

Blogger Johnny December 01, 2019 10:57 AM  

Franz Lyonheart wrote:Hmmm, if the Gamma pre-hedges against anything he perceives might pierce his delusion, logically it would imply that he is at least to some degree aware that it, actually, is a delusion.
@6

Cognitive dissonance. Not so much delusion as self perception of weakness. You know your ideas are not that strongly based on fact, and thus the tendency is to lash out at anybody who challenges them. It can looks like offense, but really it is defensive.

Speaking for myself, I tend to do it on an emotional level. And then if it is a matter of importance, I end up regretting it on reflection. You know, you lash out in anger.

As for these gamma characters, maybe it is not that complicated. At times it seems they just enjoy being pricks. Raining on somebody else’s parade.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 01, 2019 10:57 AM  

Totally wrong. There have been far worse legitimate popes than Francis. A bad pope does not invalidate the religion because it's not about the pope. Catholicism is about Jesus Christ and the Pope is the head of the organisation that Jesus Christ left for us.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 01, 2019 11:00 AM  

Orthodox: https://66.media.tumblr.com/fad576b50dd9c29b73982139745af4d1/tumblr_p0dc0m0kRM1u0v1zmo1_400.jpg
Catholic: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Pope-Francis-Washes-Kisses-feet-of-Muslim-Refugees-e1458912477177.jpg

Any questions?

Blogger Shane Bradman December 01, 2019 11:05 AM  

Yes. If the Orthodox are so le ebin based, why have they allied with Turkish roaches and the Muslim dictatorship of Iran? Don't answer because you'll just lie some more.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. December 01, 2019 11:06 AM  

"Dyer is lying because his video has lies. You can trust me because I'm not lying." Seems legit.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 01, 2019 11:07 AM  

This comment indicates immediately that you've most likely never watched a Kurgan video. You must be the gamma tier idiots he's talking about.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. December 01, 2019 11:11 AM  

If any of you morons had actually watched Dyer's video you would see him read directly from Vatican 1 where is explicitly states that Catholicism is about the Pope and anyone who says otherwise is a heretic.

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 01, 2019 11:12 AM  

VD to gammas:

"Please allow me to introduce myself,
I'm a man of wealth and taste..."

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 01, 2019 11:12 AM  

Shane Bradman wrote:Yes. If the Orthodox are so le ebin based, why have they allied with Turkish roaches and the Muslim dictatorship of Iran? Don't answer because you'll just lie some more.

Better an honest enemy than a dishonest friend. Muslims have the same perspective btw.

You clearly never exchanged blows with someone then later became friends.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 11:14 AM  

@ VFM#7634
Which is why Bishop Williamson and some others left the SSPX. Btw: Bishop Williamson keeps saying that a lot of what's wrong with the world can be traced back to Plato. I would like see him being interviewed on that subject on Unauthorized.tv

Blogger Slagenthor December 01, 2019 11:17 AM  

As a recovered / recovering gamma, or at least someone with a heavy gamma side...I can say that probably the best overall guide to helping cure / mitigate gammatude is this: Iron Sharpens Iron.

Genuine success and accomplishment and mentoring from other men can be balm for the gamma heart and a healthy way slake the thirst for things to be genuinely proud of.

For me, it wasn't until I joined the military, took up a love of the Iron, made genuine achievements professionally, started getting laid regularly, that the dross boiled off.

The irony is that I never really looked like a gamma, but it would have been apparent after talking with me in decades past. I roll my eyes now, thinking about how I used to act and how the gammas that I work with act (want to throat punch some of them).

Someone mentioned that gammas should be able to find satisfaction in solo activities: I think Sigmas would and do benefit from that, but that is probably the last thing a gamma needs: more alone time.

A Gamma needs mentorship, but often a softer start than other personality types. The problem is that mentorship in general is in decline, and the remedial mentorship that a lot of gammas may benefit from is even more scarce from actual non-pedos.

I say I am recovered/recovering because the old thought patterns never completely disappear: at this point I am functionally a greater beta/lesser alpha but sometimes in moments of weakness the old flinch surfaces inside and I have to actively suppress it: you need to actively Possess your Vessel.

Blogger David Ray Milton December 01, 2019 11:30 AM  

@Welsh Woodsman

Exactly why it is so important for them to be segregated. The monastic life helps protect them (and us) from their sinful passions, namely, the desire to lord over other people. They weren’t designed for conventional society, which is why they suck at it. They can confront God in solitude and silence and learn to speak the truth.

Blogger sammibandit December 01, 2019 11:44 AM  

Does anyone else have any techniques that you find work well?

Assuming the gammas are competent there's some things you can do to get them on-side without facetime. You're already doing some good things like building trust.

One thing I found helpful with them is testing out features they roll out and giving them feedback. You'll find that your problems are given a higher priority going forward. I got a new computer one day after reporting a problem with Outlook just because I follow some common sense steps dealing with IT.

Here's a more in depth example of what I do:
So for example we had a product roll out that involved signing up for an account. The out-of-house developer set the roll out in a way that I suspected each time an account was set up one of the gammas would automatically receive an email. This would have driven him nuts. When I emailed the IT guy that I suspected this was happening he was relieved and really thankful that someone went through the steps a customer would do to test the product and confirmed to me that he was receiving these auto emails.

So this is all relatively simple stuff, like writing detailed notes on an IT problem, showing you tried to solve it yourself first, and showing ways you think it could affect their workflow. Throwing in some industry slang like "picnic problem" or "id 10 T" error doesn't hurt either.

Blogger Keith December 01, 2019 11:49 AM  

>talk a little sh%t about the Alpha boss or company

Be careful with this one. That pattern matches as “splitting” and is recognizable by clever people as a behavioral trait of sociopaths and entry-level manipulative people.

Blogger Robert What? December 01, 2019 11:58 AM  

I truly don't understand the Gamma mindset. It must take tons of self delusion to ignore evidence right in front of your face.

Blogger Rex Leroy King December 01, 2019 11:58 AM  

Let a million papas bloom.

Blogger RobertDWood December 01, 2019 12:10 PM  

@Keith, they do so because it works.
They probably also boil their potatoes before mashing them too.

Blogger God Emperor Memes December 01, 2019 12:21 PM  

"while the Voxkrieg rained,
and the memes were dank"

Blogger weka December 01, 2019 12:24 PM  

Which is why the university used to be a sheltered workshop for the very bright and gamma.

You had food, a carer and time. But you had to take a vow of celibacy and Holy Orders.

Daily corporate prayer and meals at the college helped.

Make Oxbridge Holy Again.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 12:38 PM  

Now listened to the Kurgan's video. Very good, thanks Vox!

Blogger SJ December 01, 2019 12:43 PM  

Why do gammas constantly try to.. Impress everyone around them? With bizarre nonsense that only an idiot would believe? Is it low self esteem? Like a front of fake confidence?

Perhaps gammas should take some alone time to pray and think about their true status in this world and how to actually raise it.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 01, 2019 1:04 PM  

@49

The propaganda in Hollywood is written by mostly gammas and are blatant wish fulfillment fantasies. People digest it at early stages in life which then set them up for gamma-like expectations. Gamma begets gamma.

There was this great talk this foreign student did once on a campus. He was an exchange student and also a muslim. The title of the talk was "How Porn and Disney Ruined Your Life". He noticed how his peers had terrible personal relationships and were always unhappy with their lot in life. He determined that it all stemmed from erroneous expectations, which he then traced back to porn for males and Disney movies for women.

Blogger TraceRoute Bear December 01, 2019 1:11 PM  

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Blogger TraceRoute Bear December 01, 2019 1:23 PM  

Agreed, Fuzzums. Many moments in development were revelations that "Oh! These aspects of the world and relationships don't actually work the way I saw on TV or in porn"

Blogger Hoyabembe December 01, 2019 1:30 PM  

Slowly the gamma concept is coming together for me, but it seems like whenever I think I understand I get hit with a curve ball. The behavioral patterns are all things that someone should grow out of by 24ish.

Blogger Jose Miguel December 01, 2019 1:53 PM  

In the case of Iran, it's because both see the Sunni as the larger threat, especially where the Georgians are concerned.

The same pattern can be seen with the Alawites and Orthodox in Syria.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 01, 2019 1:58 PM  

That guy started talking about multiple Vox Days ... and now there's two of them!

Listening to the Kurgan makes me wonder if there's any catholics left. I shouldn't be surprised, because listening to the people in my own church I wonder if there's any Christians left.

We live in interesting times.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 01, 2019 2:09 PM  

Hadn't noticed that the Kurgan had his own YouTube channel. Interesting subjects. How can I get in touch with him - if you read this, could you please share your email address?

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 01, 2019 2:13 PM  

Indeed some gamma implies 10 other Voxes, one more actually appears.
Keep pushing, gammas.

Blogger Akuma December 01, 2019 2:26 PM  

"The behavioral patterns are all things that someone should grow out of by 24ish."

Except for the Boomers.

Blogger John Regan December 01, 2019 2:30 PM  

Well, it's not hard to understand. On the level of practical judgment I'm just not sure the SSPX's imperfections are something to focus on. It's not an easy situation. Where would the traditionalists be without the bravery of Marcel LeFebvre, who founded the SSPX?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 01, 2019 3:02 PM  

Sedeprivationism and Eastern Orthodoxy are both schismatic. I agree with Kurgan's opinions about Dyer, but his video hardly seems like a methodical takedown. I like Dyer's discussions about Hollywood, though. But Dyer's attacks against Catholicism this year appear catty, and he's lost credibility because of it.

Blogger Dave December 01, 2019 3:03 PM  

No, 'tis not another Vox Day, 'tis The Kurgan.

Blogger James Lovebirch December 01, 2019 3:09 PM  

So I watched some of Kurgan's video, and I'd like some others' thoughts on his statement that the Pope is just a bishop. I thought Papal Infallibility was dogma, am I mistaken or missing some sort of qualification?

Blogger Joe December 01, 2019 3:29 PM  

@62 Infallibility is dogma, but it only applies when he speaks ex cathedra, this is a formal pronouncement and has been done only twice that I know of.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2019 3:35 PM  

JACIII wrote:Kurgan cannot abide criticism of his gay commie pope.
Well, if only he'd quit that gay Catholic church he's part of and come join my tiny splinter Catholic church, he'd be okay.

Blogger Attempted Dialectic December 01, 2019 3:41 PM  

I believe that Jay would take this debate with the extra visibility that you add to this Vox. We now only need the Kurgan to issue the challenge.

Blogger Joe December 01, 2019 3:45 PM  

@32 The "Orthodox Deep State" betrayed their own people when they negotiated a side agreement with the Muslims that led to the defeat of their own army at Manzikert in 1071.
On the other hand,the Central/Eastern European Catholics/Orthodox protected a weak Western Europe from Islamic invasion for centuries.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 01, 2019 3:49 PM  

Here is a post detailing a common objection against the idea that Francis can't be pope, and also covers infallibility.

Infallibility also covers the Pope's teaching magisterium, guaranteeing that the Pope can't teach error and it should always be safe to follow the Pope. Again, you can't say that about any of the Vatican II antipopes. Following Paul VI or John Paul II, let alone Francis, will lead you into error and heresy.

That's the crucial difference between these heresiarchs versus the "bad Popes" of yore. Here is another post detailing the specific difference between bad Popes and the current heresiarchs who call themselves Popes, and why you can't liken them to each other.

Blogger cheddarman December 01, 2019 4:24 PM  

Deus Vult, Kurgan!

Blogger James Lovebirch December 01, 2019 4:42 PM  

Kurgan makes fun of Dyer "THE POPE THE BIG BOSS, BIG BOSS!!!". Is the seat of Peter not the supreme authority in the Catholic Church? Do the Bishops, of which the Pope is just one, vote democratically on matters of the Church instead?

It seems it would be fair to accuse the Kurgan of lying based on his claim the Pope is just a bishop if we're using the same standard he applied to Dyer. Dyer was more accurate in his representation of that. But if the Kurgan was being logically consistent and managed to look at the matter from the EO perspective he wouldn't have made his video.

I'd definitely like to see that Dyer-Kurgan debate if we can get it to shape up and Kurgan changes his mind about refusing to do it.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 01, 2019 4:49 PM  

@69 I'd definitely like to see that Dyer-Kurgan debate if we can get it to shape up and Kurgan changes his mind about refusing to do it.

That'd be interesting to watch.

Blogger Critias December 01, 2019 4:53 PM  

@5 "The most reliable cure for gamma behavior is a punch in the mouth. Naturally an environment where such a thing is impossible is going to be a haven for gammas."

You make a very interesting observation, one also made by Fr Ripperger. There's a video on youtube channel Sensus Fidelium titled 'How to raise a man'. His talk identifies Vox's recognition of the gamma behavior pattern but puts it into a theological perspective. Of course he doesn't know Vox or anything about the social sexual hierarchy it's just his view, but he's spotted the same pattern.

Over 1 hour long but a good investment of time to listen to.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 5:01 PM  

@ Critias
I have got a book by Father Ripperger. One sentence stood out that may be applicable here:
To overcome a mental disease you must first have the desire to get healthy, otherwise nothing will work.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei December 01, 2019 5:26 PM  

Papal infallibility is also implied in canonization, not that's been an issue of late.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 01, 2019 5:35 PM  

Neither critics nor fans can be assumed to be reliable witnesses, and none of us are totally free of bias. All a man can do is to assay as much evidence he can find and to think for himself.

It's not the availability of evidence that is the problem, it's the thinking for ourselves. Most men avoid it assiduously.

You could say the gamma makes his religion the following of someone else's constructed narrative, and he's very devout.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 01, 2019 5:36 PM  

Praying for wisdom is assumed, on this blog.

Blogger tublecane December 01, 2019 5:45 PM  

About delusion bubbles, Hamlet--defunitely not a gamma, though he could act like one (acting being one of the main things in the play)--mentioned being bound in a nutshell and declaring himself king of infinite space. Which would work, apparently, at least as a delusion. However, there remains the troublesome existence of bad dreams. Hamlet can't control those, and therefore the whole nutshell solution to life's woes is untenable.

Is one of the gamma traits that they either do not have bad dreams or are insensate to them? I mean both in the sense of having basic self-awareness and failing to properly recognize the burdens lying upon their consciences. Or are they merely good at ignoring such things? Which of course would make them bad at fitting in.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 5:46 PM  

I am not sure if all commenters here are right about papal infallibilty. I once heard a talk by SSPX member Father Hesse where he said infallibility is not automatic, but can be claimed by popes only in important situations where they have weighed all pros and cons and then pronounce their conclusion by saying something like "Using the option of my my papal infallibilty I hereby declare this matter as so and so ...."

Blogger Thomas W. December 01, 2019 5:56 PM  

I like the Kurgan, but I don't agree with him here. He claimed in the video Dyer lies about sedevacantism being a small movement, and then provides a link to over 150 valid sede churches. The number of sedevacantists is estimated to be from a few ten thousand to over two hundred thousand, just by a quick google search. As of 2015, there are 2.3 billion christians https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/ which means that sedevacantists are about 0.0000869% of all christians, if we assume 200,000 sedevacantists.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 6:33 PM  

You mean there are almost as many sedevacantists as there are bears?That's pretty good, I should say.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 6:35 PM  

Also you shoukd compare their number to that of Catholics, not to the total number of Christians.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2019 6:37 PM  

Kurgan is not Vox. He's more Roland to Vox's Oliver.

Blogger Thomas W. December 01, 2019 6:38 PM  

@Gregory the Great sure. Its 0.00016% for Catholics. also theres an update: Dyer just challenged Vox to a debate.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 01, 2019 6:52 PM  

Like clockwork. Muslims are not required to be honest with non-Muslims and the Catholic Church is not dishonest. Your willingness to ally with the enemy is why Constantinople fell. You're a spergy liar.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 01, 2019 6:54 PM  

Sedevacantism is larger than the vast majority of protestant denominations.

Blogger Thomas W. December 01, 2019 6:57 PM  

@Shane Bradman then the majority of prot denoms are small.

Blogger Attempted Dialectic December 01, 2019 7:01 PM  

Jay has responded on his stream Vox. He said he will debate either you or the Kurgan on theology. The invitation is open.

Blogger Lamarck Leland December 01, 2019 7:05 PM  

keep in mind that being more or less ideologically correct is no defense against a pattern of behavior instilled over the course of one's formative years

I think being a gamma is mostly genetic.

This one time I was arguing with a gamma and I proved my point so thoroughly that it could in no way be denied.
The gamma not being able to do anything against it ended up urinating on himself in front of everyone.

To me that opened my mind that being right is not always the best. Since I was only arguing with the gamma because I loved him and wanted him to see the truth and think clearly seeing that pathetic situation just made me understand that some people are just limited.

Now, it shouldn't surprise anyone here that the following week the gamma was back to claiming victory and that his point still stands.
Whatever, I love him anyway. I just now understand all that he will ever be.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 01, 2019 7:40 PM  

Thomas M.,
for whatever it's ×orth:
you have got your math wrong.
It shoukd be 0.016 percent, in other word a hundred times more than you thought. Amazing, isn't it?

Blogger Richard Rahl December 01, 2019 8:15 PM  

Jay offered to debate Vox and Kurgan via Twitter.
Kurgan said he wouldn't debate Jay in the comments of that video (that was before this post though).
Hopefully Kurgan is up for it.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 01, 2019 8:18 PM  

@82 Dyer just challenged Vox to a debate.

@86 Jay has responded on his stream Vox. He said he will debate either you or the Kurgan on theology. The invitation is open.

Why in the Hell is Dyer saying he wants to debate Vox? Didn't Vox already say in the post that he has no dog in the fight?

Dyer's a sperg. Again, he's lost credibility these past 12 months or more. It's like he's on drugs or something.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 01, 2019 8:36 PM  

This is so eye-rolling.

https://twitter.com/Jay_D007/status/1201283215962578945

Blogger BillHinDaytona December 01, 2019 8:38 PM  

I have gamma tendencies. But I'm 56 now and I don't have the energy to lie or put on a brave front anymore.

I use a few of Vox's statements as rules of thumb to warn me I'm being gamma and they've been effective.

I think gamma is too many female personality characteristics in a male, combined with a history of abuse that makes it difficult to "be real" which leads to secret kingship.

Blogger stevo December 01, 2019 8:48 PM  

I think any self-respecting monastery will already have measures in place to keep gammas out.

Blogger Dan Karelian December 01, 2019 9:03 PM  

Get the popcorn out folks.
It would be even more interesting to see them debate theology in addition to canon law and ecclesiology.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums December 01, 2019 9:36 PM  

Dan Karelian wrote:It would be even more interesting to see them debate theology in addition to canon law and ecclesiology.

Two debates is a great idea.

Blogger Johnny Reb December 01, 2019 9:50 PM  

Not to mention the passive method of dealing with bullies indoctrinated to kids. I remember seeing a commercial on a cartoon channel saying to "get an adult" instead of standing up for yourself. Probably paid for by the Devil Mouse.

Blogger Jose Miguel December 01, 2019 10:05 PM  

I look forward to the Kurgan v Jay debate. If anything it demonstrates Vox's ability to push people's buttons with one post to get an outcome many here have wanted.

Back to the newborn.

Blogger lions paw December 01, 2019 10:10 PM  

The virus is rooted in maximizing pleasure. They, like MILLIONS of others to varying degree have and continue to be programmed to maximize pleasure by drawing attention to their wants. Very few humans have been untouched by this scourge.

Biochemically it comes down to choosing (inculcated) behaviors that produce dopamine.

Chitchat is useful because it gives them attention in a NONCONFRONTATIONAL manner and tickles their dopamine output.

Other tactics include giving them approval that they crave but of course this feeds the problem if it is not authentic approval.

Ultimately they can be helped a great deal if their discernment grows that they have been programmed to be this way by people who want to control them with malice and intent.

The above can happen a number of ways and often takes some skill patience preservence compassion and well intentioned tough love.



Blogger Sargent.matrim December 01, 2019 10:10 PM  

Where is a good place to learn about the evils of Vatican two? Or should I just listen to the Kurgan's videos?

I'd prefer to read about it though.

I keep seeing it referenced here, but as a non-Catholic I'd be interested to learn more of the details.

Blogger Sargent.matrim December 01, 2019 10:57 PM  

Fascinating video.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 01, 2019 11:01 PM  

@101 Try Taylor Marshall. The earliest videos from ChurchMilitantTV are good. The Remnant, also, is good. And then, there's the SSPX website.

Blogger Thomas W. December 01, 2019 11:36 PM  

@Gregory The Great You're right. My apologies.

Blogger Sargent.matrim December 01, 2019 11:56 PM  

Cheers.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 02, 2019 2:19 AM  

NO DENOMINATIONAL SNIPING

Blogger Dire Badger December 02, 2019 6:20 AM  

It is very, very hard to be a recovering Gamma. Every moment you have to fight the instinct to say "Well, Akshully" especially when you know your opponent is WRONG. You have to fight not to make dialectal arguments against rhetoric. You have to constantly remind yourself to remain silent because while you may know better than your opponent, If he is truly the idiot you believe him to be, his PWN foolishness will harm him far more effectively than any words you say. The hardest Part is, of course, to realize that even when your opponent is absolutely wrong about something, he may actually be smarter than you are... Intelligence for them, like intelligence for you, does not mean that they have correct information.

As stated by the Riddler, your mind means everything to you, but nothing to anyone else.

Learning Game, which is quite literally learning how to relate to others and gain their approval WITHOUT having to prove your superiority, is the only way fight against every instinct you have to correct the terminally stupid. It is truly 'a better way'. Pride in your intelligence is NOTHING compared to pride in your achievements, and is only useful to rationalize your failures to yourself... Sour grapes has nothing on learning from your mistakes.

When the time comes to prove your superiority, do it with noblesse oblige or by shooting the incorrigible in the face... Trying to change their mind is a huge waste of time and only cements their stubborn insistence on stupidity.

Stop rationalizing. Prove your superiority by winning and destroying your enemies. Your mouth is impressing no one but yourself. You cannot 'win' the internet, and the points are worthless.

Blogger JovianStorm December 02, 2019 8:19 AM  

As an ex-Gamma, I can tell you that a Gamma cannot start recovery and evolution until he learns to keep his mouth shut.

If a Gamma can hold his opinion inside no matter the temptation, then he'll be ok.

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