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Tuesday, December 17, 2019

Not 4GW... yet

William S. Lind explains why the current New World Disorder is a precursor to 4GW across the West rather than the phenomenon itself:
In more and more places, states are failing to maintain order but remain as vehicles of the New Class, the Establishment.  The Establishment runs the state, not to provide security of persons and property for all, but for its own benefit. It uses its control of the state to give itself careers, money (lots of it), power, prestige, etc.  It then employs these to exempt itself from the consequences of state failure, i.e., it lives in gated communities, its kids go to private schools and its jobs don’t get shipped overseas.

One of the interesting characteristics of the new world disorder is that it is coming primarily from the middle class.  The yellow vests are a striking example. But the young people filling the streets of Baghdad and Hong Kong are also often of middle class background.  They are college students or recent college graduates. They are taking to the streets because around the world, the middle class is under ever growing pressure.  College degrees no longer bring good jobs. Pensions and paychecks no longer last to the end of the month. Maintaining even a vestige of a middle class standard of living requires going even deeper into debt.  The state arose to provide security, but it now yields growing insecurity for the middle class.

So far, the disorder appears to be directed against the Establishment that runs the state, not the state itself.  That is why it is not Fourth Generation war. If it proves possible to boot the Establishment out and replace it with governors who serve the middle class instead of themselves, the state is likely to remain.  However, if the Establishment is able to hold on to power despite its failure in governance, then at some point people are likely to start giving up on the state itself. At that point we will be looking at 4GW, and lots of it.
One thing is already clear, however. The Establishment is not going to give up power voluntarily, regardless of how the electorate votes.

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Blogger D Zniger December 17, 2019 4:33 PM  

After Trump´s victory and the Brexit vote it was disheartening and a reality lesson how much power the forces of the Establishment or the the deep state have. But we´re playing the game nonetheless, not here to win, just getting to the next level - give me another quarter.

Blogger Jeroth December 17, 2019 4:38 PM  

The showdown in Virginia is looking pretty intense. A lot of people are talking about "it" starting there. Eighty gun sanctuary counties so far in anticipation of January laws passing. I don't think the right is bluffing on this one.

Blogger Oswald December 17, 2019 4:43 PM  

Trump's moving sections of the USDA to Kansas City is an excellent idea, and should be done with other agencies. Spread them around the country, make it harder for them to plot against elected officials. To much power is centered in the Washington DC area. Immigration should be moved to Texas. DOD should be moved to Kentucky. EPA should be moved to Alaska. Department of Ed should be moved to California, and so on.

Blogger Stilicho December 17, 2019 4:47 PM  

>The Establishment is not going to give up power voluntarily, <

Neither will the Establishment give up any of its privileges and wealth or voluntarily share them with the middle class. It's either replace the establishment or events will move on to 4GW against the state.

Trump is trying to replace the Establishment somewhat. I suspect he will only buy us time, but that's a gift and we cannot afford to waste it.

Blogger Dos Voltz December 17, 2019 4:56 PM  

I don't know man, that Hunter Biden dude is a frikkin genius totally worth $100 grand a month (if not more! Bro is that good!) and I want him as my overlord if I can't have Botox Chipmunk.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 17, 2019 4:59 PM  

90% of the counties and localities in Virginia has declared themselves to be 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. There are militias forming to protect the local Sheriffs from the National Guard.

This is just one example of people standing up against the Establishment. There are plenty more and there will be more to come.

Blogger An Orthodox Christian December 17, 2019 5:04 PM  

Example of establishment serving the people? Pissed FISC: http://www.wicz.com/story/41465265/fisa-court-slams-fbi-conduct-in-carter-page-surveillance-warrant-applications

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 17, 2019 5:27 PM  

An Orthodox Christian wrote:Example of establishment serving the people?
Example of one wing of the Establishment pissed at the disrespect they got from another wing.

Blogger RC December 17, 2019 5:36 PM  

@Oswald - I agree that moving the USDA was a great move. Seeing their tears about being relocated to Kansas City brings me great joy. And it's an excellent way to downsize the government. From the AP: "Laura Dodson, an agricultural economist and union representative at the Economic Research Service, said USDA fired three-quarters of its highly trained research staff who refused to relocate. The department’s hiring efforts in Kansas City can’t fill that expertise gap in a few months or even in five years, she said."

Blogger Oswald December 17, 2019 5:37 PM  

7. I see this as part of the damage control of the deep state going into action. The FISA court relying on the FBI to police itself is laughable. The FBI was basically corrupt from its very inception. This basic flaw makes it pretty much impossible that it can ever be truly be reformed.

Blogger Dire Badger December 17, 2019 5:42 PM  

If some of the criminals in power don't see the inside of a cell soon, the 4GW is on.

Blogger anorganicbear December 17, 2019 5:48 PM  

Regardless if this sparks the Boogaloo or not, it's time for states/counties to start preparing:

- Get off any unnecessary federal aid programs and balance your own internal budgets
- Start forming your own militias/national guard units that will be loyal to the state and not the feds
- Pass laws making it illegal for federal agents to enter your state with the purpose of arresting or detaining any elected state officials
- Pass laws blocking mass replacement from happening in your state or county
- Create reservations in the inner cities so that welfare Americans aren't your problem anymore

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 17, 2019 5:50 PM  

RC wrote:The department’s hiring efforts in Kansas City can’t fill that expertise gap in a few months or even in five years, she said."
I predict a resurgence in the American agricultural sector if that's the case.

Blogger Avalanche December 17, 2019 5:52 PM  

@2 Found this through Neon Revolt: bit scary! Somehow, I think they will NOT "automatically terminate LEOs" who ENFORCE the laws against BLM, antifa, AMN and etc.


Things are getting frisky in VA -

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67&fbclid=IwAR0FdEilTiFFB-d4813XlaM2eCOMHTDEoGCNi2mhDbLLOa7fgSSn12bRUV0

A bill to immediately and automatically terminate law enforcement officers who refuse to enforce gun control (and other) laws.

"/B./Any/public safety/employee of the Commonwealth, or of any county, city, town or other political subdivision thereof, or of any agency of any one of them,who, in concert with two or more other such employees, for the purpose of obstructing, impeding or suspending any activity or operation of his employing agency or any other governmental agency, strikes or willfully refuses to perform the duties of his employment shall, by such action, be deemed to have terminated his employment and shall thereafter be ineligible for employment in any position or capacity during the next twelve/12/months by the Commonwealth, or any county, city, town or other political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or by any

Blogger JovianStorm December 17, 2019 6:01 PM  

VA isn't even considered as the Deep South and its just a sneak peek at what will happen if gun rights are abridged in the SE US. Lots of vets and good ol boys who ain't giving up no guns to them Demmycrats.

If 4GW breaks out in the US, that's where it'll start. Midwestern folks are too agreeable to raise a ruckus

Blogger Leahn Novash December 17, 2019 6:13 PM  

@9 This is basically leftist speak for "not enough leftists to control the department towards marxism and against Trump."

Blogger Oswald December 17, 2019 6:16 PM  

9. I just read an article about their tears. They were clearly Obama's people. How joyful to see Trump defeating their plans.

Blogger Lovekraft December 17, 2019 6:20 PM  

Just read the argument today that China's Uigyur camps are test models for the AI Surveillance State that it wants to export. One can argue that China is doing it based on real threats as well as culture, but will the western elites happily get on board?

A hundred years ago, one would easily argue that the western mind isn't built for Chinese-style conformity. Nowadays? The expression "how much chocolate syrup can you add to milk before it becomes a gooey slop" comes to mind

Blogger P Glenrothes December 17, 2019 6:20 PM  

So whose army has the highest morale?

Blogger Shield up sword swinging pipes blasting December 17, 2019 6:26 PM  

I wonder if this is what Led Zeppelin meant by new world rising?

Blogger Shield up sword swinging pipes blasting December 17, 2019 6:30 PM  

You will probably see more of a rise from South East Asia, as they slowly grow into the new middle class of the world

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon December 17, 2019 6:51 PM  

@2 "The showdown in Virginia is looking pretty intense"

Not being American I don't know what the culture is like in Virginia. However, could the people in that state not foresee the implications of importing large numbers of third world immigrants? Why are the GOP and NRA in such denial about the implications of mass immigration for the Second Amendment?

Up in Canada, Indians and Pakis have turned entire suburbs into replicas of their home countries, complete with honor killings and high rates of sex-selective abortion. High birthrates, highly incompatible cultural values, etc. Hockey programs in places like Brampton and Scarborough have been shut down to make room for cricket.

Not to mention that the Establishment that William Lind talks about WANTS to see this sort of replacement. They apparently are perfectly happy importing an Indian and Chinese technical class that has absolutely no loyalty to the USA.

Blogger Gettimothy December 17, 2019 6:58 PM  

the silence of the black pillers screams defeat

Blogger Gettimothy December 17, 2019 7:13 PM  

"Not being American I don't know what the culture is like in Virginia. However, could the people in that state not foresee the implications of importing large numbers of third world immigrants? Why are the GOP and NRA in such denial about the implications of mass immigration for the Second Amendment?"

We did not vote for this. we do not want this. it was done to us as a Jewish act of war against us. It never occured to us that "our" government would attempt to desyroy us.

The pace of awakening to the subversion has (?) reached critical mass. What was once only privately thought, with reservations, mind you, is now openly discussed.

In my neck of appalachia, workaday conversations are about the timing of our armed revolt.

We have passed beyond hypotheticals to tacytics, timing, strategy , leadership and killing the fuckers. but mostly about killing the fuckers.

Blogger JamesB.BKK December 17, 2019 7:15 PM  

Two of those agencies should be abolished outright. I'm still thinking about the third one.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 17, 2019 7:16 PM  

Jim the Curmudgeon wrote:However, could the people in that state not foresee the implications of importing large numbers of third world immigrants?
Virginians have no say whatsoever in the matter. They have been replaced in the counties near the District of Columbia, and cheated out of their sovereignty in the rest of the Commonwealth.

Blogger JamesB.BKK December 17, 2019 7:17 PM  

Moving imperial agencies to flyover cities will likely result in imperial districts there with resulting finkery. Maybe not too good.

Blogger English Tom December 17, 2019 7:18 PM  

Lind is absolutely correct. People will eventually give up on the state. This process has already started. As we move into the decade of the 20's, things can only intensify.

As noted above, the situation in Virginia is looking ominous. Once the economic collapse becomes apparent to everyone, things will really heat up.

Party time!

Blogger anorganicbear December 17, 2019 7:18 PM  

@22: No one voted for replacement. In 1965 they told us that demographics wouldn't change as a result of the immigration act. In the 1980s Reagan promised no more amnesties and they would enforce border security. None of the things that have happened are a legitimate result of elections or policies the American electorate wanted.

As someone who grew up in VA, I can tell you that it's only been the past 5-10 years that demographics have really changed. I think it was primarily a result of leftists slowly fleeing PA and NYC. Lots of transplants from those two areas. Growing up it was a very red state, then all of a sudden you couldn't get a fast food order right because no one working anywhere spoke English. Then everyone doing any type of restaurant work was suddenly deep olive in complexion.

I remember one year they held an illegal immigrant rally in DC. Traffic is normally horrible stop and go every day in northern VA, but that day traffic was dream.

A lot of them aren't even illegals, but Puerto Ricans who have fled either NYC or the Caribbean. I suspect a lot of that was families fleeing NYC and then bringing relatives.

The northern part of the state is pretty liberal. Lots of government workers, but also lots of military paper pushers. The rest of the state is a lot different, though. You have a few college towns and the rest is basically rural. I'd say the general temperament of real Virginia is basically what you're seeing. This isn't a front or posture, these are people actually ready to start shooting if the need arises.

Blogger JamesB.BKK December 17, 2019 7:27 PM  

The FISA Court is fake, an unconstitutional extension of the unconstitutional imperial US administrative state.

Blogger JamesB.BKK December 17, 2019 7:30 PM  

Probably more like building military bases. The locals will come to depend on the tax sluices, lose their focus, lose their trades, and incorrectly come to believe they are smart, like Californians.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 17, 2019 7:38 PM  

JovianStorm wrote:VA isn't even considered as the Deep South and its just a sneak peek at what will happen if gun rights are abridged in the SE US. Lots of vets and good ol boys who ain't giving up no guns to them Demmycrats.

If 4GW breaks out in the US, that's where it'll start. Midwestern folks are too agreeable to raise a ruckus


The thing with Virginia is that all the dems are confined to small areas.
"I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me!"

Virginia has a lot of advantages compared to other southern states that are mostly red with blue bands all throughout. Man the dems in VA are arrogant.

Blogger peacefulposter December 17, 2019 7:45 PM  

When the state fails, the state currencies like the US dollar will also collapse.

Blogger Crew December 17, 2019 7:46 PM  

And perhaps they have been stealing the gold reserves and covering it up!

https://www.voimagold.com/insight/us-official-gold-reserves-auditor-caught-lying

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 17, 2019 8:06 PM  

I asked William S. Lind back around 2004 if a new generation of war was starting, a "fifth" type consisting of non-state actors versus non-state using propaganda and whenever possible, the state, as their weapons. That it is ever more apparent now that NGOs "seed" areas with brown hordes to sway the votes and the media is openly insurrectionist make me wonder if I was only on the beginnings of something. I would be distracted by years of libertardian "we just need to educate people!" and cuckservative "But... but... please don't do that Mr. Politician you will cost us jobs and our future".
Now I know that people cannot and will not be educated because those who vote for politicians who want to destroy us are being represented well, and begging the government not to wreck our future, as if they didn't know what they are doing, is pointless, because they know exactly what they are doing.
And they are doing it on purpose. This is why the leftists never answer to cries of double standard.
So back then when I penned that email, I didn't know enough. But even then, Lind may have still seen state actors where I was thinking it was non-state. Only now the connections are clearer. Is George Soros, for example, a state actor or non-state? Or perhaps the establishment simply lets him get away with it?

So I was batting beyond my league with a golf club when I asked Mr Lind, but he was kind in an article he wrote shortly after that.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/02/william-s-lind/fifth-generation-warfare/

It's a very good article. I recommend it. Here is this part that makes sense and why perhaps we may not really know where a generation picks up:
"From what I have seen thus far, honest attempts to discover a Fifth Generation suggest that their authors have not fully grasped the vast change embodied in the Fourth Generation. The loss of the state’s monopoly, not only on war but also on social organization and first loyalties, alters everything. We are only in the earliest stages of trying to understand what the Fourth Generation means in full and how it will alter — or, in too many cases, end — our lives."

Terminology aside though, I'm starting to suspect that as a nation crumbles, and it weaker, non-state actors will vie for power, but what constitutes non-state is not clear yet. An individual American state is non-state as far as it's relation to a faltering Federal Government system is concerned, but it's a non-state with its own legislature, courts, police, military, and municipal assets. California certainly has not been a state actor in relations to the United States.
Maybe from the smaller dog the bigger dog is always like a state? And what does a non-state actor do if they gain power? They have to act like a state to keep it?

There are times like this when I know how little I know and wish I could just homestead. Seems more constructive.

Blogger RedJack December 17, 2019 8:14 PM  

Jovian....

I am a Midwesterner. We are perhaps better about keeping quiet.

Kipling's "When the Saxon begins to Hate" is a good primer.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 17, 2019 8:22 PM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:Moving imperial agencies to flyover cities will likely result in imperial districts there with resulting finkery. Maybe not too good.

Interesting. Future provincial capitals? Are they anticipating the breakup of the USA?

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 17, 2019 8:28 PM  

peacefulposter wrote:When the state fails, the state currencies like the US dollar will also collapse.

Gold and silver will always have value. Are we being moved back to the Gold Standard? Wow.

Blogger Stilicho December 17, 2019 9:04 PM  

@doktor jeep: as states lose their grasp on power, they will employ nominally non-state groups as proxies. Mercenaries in a sense. But the primary loyalty of such groups will be to the group and they will abandon their state allies when they perceive it is to their advantage and seek to carve out their own territory. Some may be so dependent on the state that they remain allied, but they are not the state and their use by the state is a sign of the state's failure. Both of legitimacy and control. 4GW.

Watch Mexico. 4GW is already underway there.

Blogger Lazarus December 17, 2019 9:29 PM  

I can't see a 4G situation without fundamental financial dysfunction.

When you ain't got nuthin, you got nuthin to lose.

If you got sumthin the paramaters are a little more philosophical.

Blogger Johnny December 17, 2019 9:34 PM  

Jim the Curmudgeon wrote:Not being American I don't know what the culture is like in Virginia. However, could the people in that state not foresee the implications of importing large numbers of third world immigrants?

As stated, in Virginia it is proximity to Washington DC that caused the political flip.

There is an old saw that England accumulated its empire in an absence of mind. True or otherwise that is what is going on in the Untied States. Between business wanting cheap labor and the liberals wanting votes, we have been letting people in without the public paying attention. That is why there is a fuss kicking up. We are headed into the long term outcome of our population policy.

Blogger Ransom Smith December 17, 2019 9:38 PM  

Virginians have no say whatsoever in the matter. They have been replaced in the counties near the District of Columbia, and cheated out of their sovereignty in the rest of the Commonwealth.
We're doing better than Texas or Florida that's for certain.
But I still say we line the Potomac with howitzers and shoot anything in range.
This may also be my thinly veiled desire to wipe Maryland off the face of the earth.

Blogger Ransom Smith December 17, 2019 9:43 PM  

However, could the people in that state not foresee the implications of importing large numbers of third world immigrants?
They didn't exactly ask us.
The proximity of D.C. led to first a Yankee invasion, and that should have been solved with some .30-30.
After we let the Yankees in, the rest followed like dominoes.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 17, 2019 9:45 PM  

@gettimothy don't I know you from somewhere?

Blogger Gallant December 17, 2019 9:45 PM  

Non-state actors used in Mexico? Tell that to Antifa directing traffic as the Seattle cops look on, or when the cops let them deliver a beat-down on their adversaries that the cops/mayor couldn't act against directly under law. . .

Blogger Gallant December 17, 2019 9:48 PM  

The moves in Virginia will have ramifications, and more importantly an impact on morale, far beyond Virginia. If they can pull it off, merely withdrawing legitimacy by finally saying: "we are not complicit and you're not our government", provides a broader intellectual base than one merely on the subject of constitutional rights.

Blogger anorganicbear December 17, 2019 10:15 PM  

@46: "If they can pull it off, merely withdrawing legitimacy by finally saying: "we are not complicit and you're not our government", provides a broader intellectual base than one merely on the subject of constitutional rights."

This is ultimately what needs to happen on a national level. The Democrat electorate should realize by now they haven't been importing votes and will lose their power to tribal populists like Ilhan Omar and Ocasio-Cortez. The Republican electorate should realize that they are importing welfare Americans and only the 1% really benefit from the cheap labor. Both sides have a fairly significant stake in dissolving the federal government. Especially when you consider how many democrats and minorities are going to die once the first supply lines into a given leftist metropolis get cut off in the event of armed conflict.

Blogger basementhomebrewer December 17, 2019 10:25 PM  

Virginia very well could be a flash point. You have dem law makers making dumb statements like calling up the NG to arrest Sherrifs. That happens and all bets are off. The initial contact will go most likely go very poorly for the dems, mainly because a good chunk of the NG will defect. The problem is all those pols from other states living in northern Virginia are going to get very nervous when that happens and will appeal to get additional personnel from other states/ the feds and that would cause things to cascade.

Blogger Johnny December 17, 2019 10:36 PM  

Mexican narco gangs as 4G warfare? Kind of a stretch but maybe. They do compete for power.

Islam has a lot of non state players. Without our interference some of the governments would upchuck.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 17, 2019 10:43 PM  

The reason we have a western civilisation is that the barons - the lowest level of British aristocracy - realised they outnumbered the king and forced him to sign the magma carta or lose his head.

It always amused me that we were bombarded with propaganda about “Good King John” at school while the truth is far more mundane. John just preferred to live.

Anyway, the middle class still outnumbers the ruling class and still provides the cultural and intellectual rump of our civilisation. The rulers keep trying to drive wedges between the middle and lower classes and in recent decades have largely succeeded. But if the people largely recognise our common enemy then the game is going to get very interesting indeed.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 17, 2019 11:08 PM  

The FISA court is fake ...

That’s why they’re pissed at the feebs. Getting caught scamming the court for blatantly partisan gerrymandering purposes endangers the court’s very existence.

Blogger pnq87 December 17, 2019 11:20 PM  

If there ever is a true domestic conflict, no tactic and no target will be off limits.

Something the macho men in the enforcer brigades will have to consider.

Blogger justaguy December 17, 2019 11:44 PM  

4GW? really. A bunch of rural, small population counties make a very political statement about the radical gun laws the Dems want in VA and it is a civil war? The state is extremely powerful and easily smashes enemies it can identify. The only real question is whether or not the elites try something so radical, they get voted out of power. Armed resistance lost in 1865. The state is far more powerful now. Big Brother not civil war.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 17, 2019 11:44 PM  

pnq87 wrote:If there ever is a true domestic conflict, no tactic and no target will be off limits.



Something the macho men in the enforcer brigades will have to consider.

Somebody was calling it Waco Rules.

Blogger Kiwi December 18, 2019 1:45 AM  

What he says also fits for NZ. In my town we have extremely wealthy in gated communities drinking bollinger and smoking cigars, while just outside the gate we have bums sleeping under dinghy's drinking cheap, welfare funded, beer and smoking meth. Neither wants change. Us working class are where it's all happening. I've been wondering how it can shift, when it's going to shift. Moving away from a governing model to the unknown is a scary thought. I don't want to think those things.

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2019 2:04 AM  

Gettimothy isn't waiting around. He's got his public confession out early. In fact, not only is he confessing in advance, he's also helpfully getting other people a big head start on their own confessions to criminal conspiracy.

What a champ. What a time saver!

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2019 3:04 AM  

@56 If the middle class and the working class team up - and they are doing so - we can begin with savage reform within the existing framework, much as Trump has. And we can do so year-on-year, election after election. Consider the Long March Through the Institutions; consider its impact. A tiny, poorly funded, and on the whole rather effeminate political minority achieved that.

Consider then, the scale of what can be done by a capable and hardworking majority wherein resides nearly the sum total of the nation's talent and ferocity.

If we work like we believe it, like the Promethean and Marxist revolutionaries in concert did, we can burn their entire social-political edifice ~to the ground~. And frankly, if you see warfare as the means by which these politics will be continued, we STILL need to do exactly the same to deny our rivals resources and territory, or we will lose anyway.

Blogger Kiwi December 18, 2019 3:36 AM  

The deadline here for the government buy back of, recently deemed illegal, guns ends in two days. Most haven't been handed in. The silence is deafening.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2019 4:13 AM  

So far, the disorder appears to be directed against the Establishment that runs the state, not the state itself. That is why it is not Fourth Generation war. If it proves possible to boot the Establishment out and replace it with governors who serve the middle class instead of themselves, the state is likely to remain. However, if the Establishment is able to hold on to power despite its failure in governance, then at some point people are likely to start giving up on the state itself. At that point we will be looking at 4GW, and lots of it.

Doktor Jeep wrote:It's a very good article. I recommend it. Here is this part that makes sense and why perhaps we may not really know where a generation picks up:

"From what I have seen thus far, honest attempts to discover a Fifth Generation suggest that their authors have not fully grasped the vast change embodied in the Fourth Generation. The loss of the state’s monopoly, not only on war but also on social organization and first loyalties, alters everything. We are only in the earliest stages of trying to understand what the Fourth Generation means in full and how it will alter — or, in too many cases, end — our lives."


Thank you. That definitely clarifies some things for me. Specifically, we are not yet in 4GW, because we are not yet at war. And also, 4GW includes war outside the state, because then the state has lost its monopoly on war.

So this disorder against the Establishment is not 4GW. But war against the Establishment could be considered to be.

Is that a fair restatement?

Blogger Gettimothy December 18, 2019 5:57 AM  

@44 your name does not look familiar.

@56 I am all for a peaceful, political restoration of our Republic. Please share your strategy for restoring the republic. Will a National Review cruise help?

Blogger Gettimothy December 18, 2019 6:10 AM  

@wrekage are you a lawyer? Your resort to rules, procedures and fear is quite common among men . I am trying to get a handle on your archetype, for dialectical purposes, of course.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 18, 2019 7:13 AM  

Question is can the Conservative Stooge Losers legitimize the Left/Establishment? Normally I would say yes because most people like to gripe, think they are smart and then rationalize everything away, and little beats the Opiate of Essays to dull the ardor.

But in NOVA the Left is acting like a conquering colonizing imperial army, it's a fusion of colored nationalists infused with the bitter hatreds of the white SJW. As I commented many years ago to Jared Taylor that all his superb essays would not do squat to raise consciousness, the Left would do the job nearly all on its own.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit December 18, 2019 7:16 AM  

I've been reading about the Opium Wars and the British opium trade in China. A small group of mostly foreign born wealthy families intermarried and when the idea caught on in their circle, the opium trade to China exploded.

Part plan to put China into the role of a permanently dependent status included, of course, wide spread opium addiction by selling opium for much less than the market would bear, relying on essentially mercenary armies made up of East India Company troops, destroying landmarks that were important to the Chinese people, destroying statues of famous and revered figures, destroying traditional architecture to replace it with what suited British tastes, forcing the population to speak a language in addition to Chinese, and quite a few other things that sound like what's happening in the US today.

It seems to me that's war both historically and currently and if it's not 4GW, it's sure not what people think of when they think of warfare with the goal of conquest.

Just a thought

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2019 7:54 AM  

"resort to rules, procedures and fear"

Fear. Golly!

Blogger Gettimothy December 18, 2019 7:59 AM  

@64 answer the question please. are you a lawyer?

Blogger anorganicbear December 18, 2019 8:15 AM  

@53: "4GW? really. A bunch of rural, small population counties make a very political statement about the radical gun laws the Dems want in VA and it is a civil war? The state is extremely powerful and easily smashes enemies it can identify. The only real question is whether or not the elites try something so radical, they get voted out of power. Armed resistance lost in 1865. The state is far more powerful now. Big Brother not civil war."

Really? A loose coalition of minorities, mostly immigrants from disparate countries, are going to come together and use the military might of the bankrupt United States military to squash red state patriots when they can't even win in Afghanistan against a bunch of cave monkeys?

Blogger ZhukovG December 18, 2019 8:17 AM  

@justaguy: On the contrary; the State is at all times and everywhere a fragile thing. Like fiat currency it depends upon faith for its power and very existence. When faith is lost, the State is lost. The very trappings of its power often devouring it.

The war that America lost in 1865 was a contest between two States. The CSA, a voluntary republic, was defeated in conventional warfare by an aggressive imperial entity, the USA.

Think of 4th Generation Warfare as a million "Armies of One", each with a scoped deer rifle. How does your State bring power to bear without destroying itself in the effort?

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Blogger Gettimothy December 18, 2019 9:22 AM  

@69 I didn't see it, but abrasive does not hurt me. Speak plainly, please.

I asked you if you are a lawyer, because there exists an "archetype" of men who argue from written law, rather than the context of "legitimate authority".

It is my view that the fedgov has largely , and Richmond certainly, lost the character of legitimacy and it is our duty to oppose it and replace it with legitimate authority.

Your statement, Gettimothy isn't waiting around. He's got his public confession out early. In fact, not only is he confessing in advance, he's also helpfully getting other people a big head start on their own confessions to criminal conspiracy. suggests that you we are not arguing from the same presuppositions. I am curious what yours are as your "type" is quite common on comment sections.

cheers.

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2019 9:34 AM  

@65, your indulgence, and that of our host?
I think I have a better read on what you're saying, or rather why you're saying it. My argument was with a subtext, and it was the wrong subtext. I think I actually hear you now. In any case I have never made any representation or implication that I am a lawyer, if that helps.

I'm going to drop the entire thing now - given what you've said, and what I missed on three re-reads, mea culpa; it doesn't matter; and the blog doesn't exist for us to get to know each other better.

Blogger flyingtiger December 18, 2019 10:12 AM  

I live in one of those damn sanctuary cities. I would love to have the feds come in and take over our city.I would love to see our local leaders marched away in chains. We are waiting for you Mr. Trump, a million strong!
The 4G way would be to stop Immigration and deport as many as you can. I remember the one day they had an immigration march. The commute was so easy that day. This is a fact that the MSM never reports.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2019 10:19 AM  

@53 justafool: if the State goes to war with its people, its army is attacking its own logistics tail. This isn't the era of the Anabasis, so that is suicidal. The military's families live among the population they are attacking, so it's suicidal on a personal level as well as on the organizational level. Any army that attacks its own, any state that attacks its own, dies.

Blogger Gettimothy December 18, 2019 10:29 AM  

@71 good enough.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 18, 2019 11:01 AM  

Oswald wrote:Immigration should be moved to Texas.
Oh, no-no-no… the only worse place to put Immigration would be California. Remember that for all its bluster, Texas is useless when it comes to actual action; recall the ~2014 "Border Crisis" and then go read TX Constitution Article 4, Section 7. — But yes, you are correct that there ought to be a scattering of agency headquarters… though I would add that should after the dissolution of the agencies not explicitly authorized or mandated by the Constitution.

RC wrote:@Oswald - I agree that moving the USDA was a great move. Seeing their tears about being relocated to Kansas City brings me great joy. And it's an excellent way to downsize the government. From the AP: "Laura Dodson, an agricultural economist and union representative at the Economic Research Service, said USDA fired three-quarters of its highly trained research staff who refused to relocate. The department’s hiring efforts in Kansas City can’t fill that expertise gap in a few months or even in five years, she said."
That's awesome; than you for sharing.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:RC wrote:The department’s hiring efforts in Kansas City can’t fill that expertise gap in a few months or even in five years, she said."
I predict a resurgence in the American agricultural sector if that's the case.

I would be unsurprised if that were the case; a lot of people forget that numerous officials was one of the complaints listed in the Declaration of Independence.

Blogger TMLutas December 18, 2019 11:18 AM  

@12 My observation is that we not only have a problem of loyalties but also capacity. I believe that we're going to have significantly more jaw jaw before any war war breaks out. With luck, it might not break out at all. Living a prepared life is something that would only benefit our people, physically and mentally.

Before raising units it might be much more productive to sort out standards. Creating a UL book of standards with MOOCs to support them for those who wish for a decent level of preparation would not interfere with your proposals at all but it might make the resulting units worth a damn.

I don't pretend to expertise on the content of the standards. I do think that raising unprepared masses of men with insufficient training is not all that different than setting up for the state ready lists for any oppressors that might be around. Even a confirmed civilian can see that.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 18, 2019 12:29 PM  

Avalanche wrote:"/B./Any/public safety/employee of the Commonwealth, or of any county, city, town or other political subdivision thereof, or of any agency of any one of them,who, in concert with two or more other such employees, for the purpose of obstructing, impeding or suspending any activity or operation of his employing agency or any other governmental agency, strikes or willfully refuses to perform the duties of his employment shall, by such action, be deemed to have terminated his employment and shall thereafter be ineligible for employment in any position or capacity during the next twelve/12/months by the Commonwealth, or any county, city, town or other political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or by any
That… might REALLY backfire on them:
Article I. Bill of Rights; Section 2. People the source of power
That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people, that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them.

and the State's own National Guard take this oath:
“I do hereby acknowledge to have voluntarily enlisted this __ day of ____, 19_, in the ______ National Guard of the State of ______ for a period of __ year(s) under the conditions prescribed by law, unless sooner discharged by proper authority.

“I, ________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and of the State of ______ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to them; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of ______ and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.”


Johnny wrote:Between business wanting cheap labor and the liberals wanting votes, we have been letting people in without the public paying attention. That is why there is a fuss kicking up. We are headed into the long term outcome of our population policy.
Oh, the public has been paying attention; it's just that our political leaders are so enamored with "open borders" and/or "cheap labor" that they don't do on the issues what we want. Reagan's Amnesty, for example, was supposed to be a one-time-deal in exchange for border-security; where is that border-security?

wreckage wrote:If we work like we believe it, like the Promethean and Marxist revolutionaries in concert did, we can burn their entire social-political edifice ~to the ground~. And frankly, if you see warfare as the means by which these politics will be continued, we STILL need to do exactly the same to deny our rivals resources and territory, or we will lose anyway.
This is true.

Blogger Gettimothy December 18, 2019 1:55 PM  

@57 I agree entirely, and I look forward to doing what I can in my spheres of influence to make that happen.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 18, 2019 2:42 PM  

@wreckage

Agree with all that.

Just remember that 4G warfare is conducted at the moral level. It may include physical confrontations but only as those provide for moral victories. Often enough those moral victories entail losing the physical confrontations. Ironically it’s an Alinsky thing: the action is the reaction. In other words provoking an over-reaction may mean you get jackbooted into intensive care but the resulting loss of state legitimacy means your cause advances. All forms of warfare involve taking casualties.
To date our elites have been waging war on us while we’ve been playing politics. That IS going to change, not least because that which cannot be sustained will not be.

I will not risk open war!

Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not.

Blogger urthshu December 18, 2019 3:02 PM  

Before raising units it might be much more productive to sort out standards

+++

If you go by usual 4G standard, here it is: Loyalty. Fealty. Kinship. Belief.

That's really about it. They find best use for them afterwards, training them up as needed.

Blogger CarpeOro December 18, 2019 3:26 PM  

Maybe not a proxy for how not mild the Midwest may prove, but on a per population basis there is a higher portion that hunts than most of the South in some of the states: https://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/Natl%20Hunting%20License%20Report%202018.pdf

Blogger Akulkis December 18, 2019 3:49 PM  

"Armed resistance lost in 1865."

Armed resistance won in 1975, 2003-Present, and 2004-2011.

Specifically in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

And all for the same reason: Eventually, the state and the oppression it represents (whether real or imagined) runs out of people to send before the people resisting stop resisting.

General of All the Armies of the Americas George Washington won, despite losing nearly every battle, by pursuing the Fabian Strategy, and won using it.

General Nguyen Giap, the leader of the North Vietnamese Army, also pursued the Fabian Strategy, and also won using it.

The Fabian Strategy is extremely simple, and doesn't even require winning most battles or maintaining the offensive. As long as your side can maintain the ability and morale to execute hit-and-run attacks, you win the moment the enemy no longer has the will to continue.

In terms of the domestic situation, that means getting good intel. Bypassing the agents of the state, and going directly at the (mostly unelected) "Establishment Class" who are screwing everyone else (INCLUDING the people they hire to protect them).

Blogger Peter December 18, 2019 4:28 PM  

The Virginia actions to declare 2nd amendment sanctuaries are not unlike the legal approaches used for both immigration sanctuary cities as well as state rights actions to make pot legal. In all cases eventually legal reading of the law is that federal overrules state overrules municipal laws -- but in all cases the higher authority decides not to press the issue directly. But they eventual pass laws that allow them to withhold funding and that results in eventual compliance.

The whole Virginia gun thing is a bit overblown - no one is going to come and take away guns (ARs and other tactical black guns) .. what will happen is they will create law that requires registration of ARs and other type weapons but nobody will comply. Just like NY, CT. MA.. And just like in those places we will find a way around those laws. What will not happen is the National Guard called out search homes and confiscate guns despite the stupidity we see on the TV .

The one thing that does worry me about these sorts of actions; whether you support the 2nd amendment sanctuaries or not is that the enforcement of laws should not depend solely on the the option of every good old boy local sheriff - right now we cheer because they are on your side but what happens with the next issue that you are against; the law should enforce the laws without discretion of the local PD -- that is a little too much power for a group (the police) that general does not follow or even understand the Constitution and has a proven history of being corrupt.

But it is very interesting to watch all this.. I am so glad that years ago I started to read about 4GW etc (mostly from links here - Thanks VD) that we can see this stuff happening and understand the what, where, when and how of it all.

Blogger Gallant December 18, 2019 4:43 PM  

Blood for the Blood God? Could get you some Warhammer fans

Blogger Akulkis December 18, 2019 9:18 PM  

@81 CarpeOro

To reinforce your comment -- when the deer hunters of Michigan take to the woods on opening day in mid-November, they constitute the 4th largest armed force on the planet. And that number is 100% trigger-pullers, as the hangers-on don't to to the expense to buy deer hunting permits nor pay for hunter's certification and safety classes.

The resistance forces in Iraq and Afghanistan NEVER numbered as many people as the number of hunters in the woods in Michigan on the first weekend after opening day of deer season.

Blogger Voracious Reader December 18, 2019 9:54 PM  

They all have to go back.

Blogger Christian Gone Fishin' December 18, 2019 10:46 PM  

Time to boogaloo soon, Dark Lord?

Blogger Trumpeter December 19, 2019 8:08 AM  

Actually,this is in response to Devin Nunes' call to deconstruct FISA.

Gotta go out and show how the system isn't corrupt. Clown world can then move along.

Blogger Daniel December 19, 2019 4:22 PM  

So every one serving fast food is foreign? Will you ever pick your own cotton?

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