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Monday, December 16, 2019

Panic in the Deep State

Reading the media tea leaves:
Former CIA officer and counter-intelligence expert Kevin Shipp says that former Obama Administration Attorney General (AG) Eric Holder gave a big Deep State panic signal when he wrote in an Op-Ed last week in the Washington Post trashing current AG William Barr and his top prosecutor John Durham.

Shipp explains, “This is very significant. We all remember that Holder was Obama’s right hand man. Eric Holder was Barack Obama’s enforcer. The fact that Holder comes out this quickly after the Inspector General (IG) Horowitz Report comes out . . . and makes this veiled threat against Durham’s reputation. The fact that Eric Holder came out and made this statement is a clear indication to me they are running scared. We have to understand it was Eric Holder that Barack Obama used to target the heads of corporations that spoke out publicly about Barack Obama. We know Holder was held in ‘Contempt of Congress.’ He spied on AP reporters, ran guns to drug cartels and blacked out the information. He spied on over a hundred journalists, and on and on we go. . . . They (Deep State) are convinced there are going to be indictments. Secondly, there is AG Barr’s outrage over (IG) Horowitz’s report and what it did not do. He made statements that there was spying and actions by government officials that need to be criminally looked into. Barr’s outrage over this shows me that there are going to be indictments, and that he is taking this seriously. Again, when Holder comes out and puts out this bombshell in the Washington Post, which is another indication that indictments are coming. John Brennan, former Obama Administration CIA Director, is going to be at the top of the list.”
I find this credible because it is entirely obvious that the DNC-media-federal bureaucracy complex is observably in a complete tizzy about something. What that something is, we do not know, but it may have something to do with what the Q Army calls The Storm. Or it could be something else, but regardless, they are clearly terrified about something that is currently in the works.

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65 Comments:

Blogger basementhomebrewer December 16, 2019 7:19 AM  

I don't think the panic is at a fever pitch yet to indicate indictments are imminent. I think they are manly whining because the corrupt money avenues are being exposed and shut down.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 16, 2019 7:24 AM  

The economic collapse is still coming, along with the destruction of the attempt at multiculturalism. But, draining the swamp and eliminating the two tiered justice system of court outcomes separated for the elites and the citizens might make those storms more navigable.

Blogger Lazarus December 16, 2019 7:26 AM  

Kevin Shipp has been a good source of info over the last few years regarding the workings of the deep state.

Blogger tMmM! December 16, 2019 7:40 AM  

*Very* interesting. And wouldn't it be beautiful to see?

The big question is, when those indictments (hopefully) *do* start to appear ... are those targets going to start singing like the little (jail) birdies they are? Brennan in particular is a weak man - weak personality, a real gamma who tries desperately to portray himself otherwise. If the stuff hits *his* fan, will he work to take others down with him? One should think this highly likely.

Can't wait to see Barr and Durham bounce *that* rubble ...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 16, 2019 7:43 AM  

I was just attending a conference that featured George Sorial, Trump's former EVP, as a keynote speaker. His insights into Trump and how Trump operates were very interesting. Very motivating, as well.

He described the Trump organization as being a very tight knit, small group operation at the top; an old world family company.

As far as Trump's motivation, he phrased it as Trump leaving his old life behind willingly, to fulfill a higher purpose and calling, fighting for his country in the way he can, with the skillset he's been given.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 16, 2019 7:56 AM  

Though Vox's SSH theory is more reliable indicator of the Deep Staters' moves just asking what would a stressed out white woman do works on occasion. I say that because Trump has never heard of the SSH theory but IMO he knows women and he is not the usual white knighting intellectual clown that has never got close to being a Sigma or Alpha.

Trump drives the OODA Loop.

Blogger Republican Mother December 16, 2019 8:16 AM  

In recent Q drops, we were told to brace for some major Bill Barr trashing in the media. Taunts are all they've got left.

Blogger Shimshon December 16, 2019 8:18 AM  

@5 This quote is from Doug Wead:

“There are two kinds of staffers,” Jared Kushner told me. “Those who want to help Trump save the world, and those who want to save the world from Trump.”

Whatever people may think of Javanka, and regardless of whether or not TGE succeeds, it's pretty clear he sees himself in the role of saving the world. The presidency is not just another trophy for him.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 16, 2019 8:19 AM  

Holder's signature has to be all over sketchy documents that his bosses didn't want connected directly to them. He probably shouldn't get on any planes for a while, lest he meet the same fate as Ron Brown, another black man who ran cover for the Clintons until investigations made his continued existence a problem.

Blogger Robert Browning December 16, 2019 8:20 AM  

Not just Trump, federal law enforcement were targeting and framing people who were disliked instead of criminals. Bad.

Blogger ZhukovG December 16, 2019 8:25 AM  

It is interesting that the only hope the Deep State has is our beloved Emperor's reluctance to destroy, rather than try to reform. Yet they seem determined to force a situation in which the GE must wield the sword.

The American Union is a train that has lost its brakes and is running out of track.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Didas Kalos December 16, 2019 8:27 AM  

#Epsteindidntkillhimself

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 16, 2019 8:33 AM  

They (Deep State) are convinced there are going to be indictments.
I do hope they convince the rest of us soon, by actually, publicly indicting. In Trump's long list of glorious firsts, that first will stand out.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 16, 2019 8:36 AM  

Shipp says, “The mainstream media will never come back from this because finally, through shows like this and others, the real information is coming out as to what the mainstream media has done.
We need to remember who believed the MSM and the globohomo lies, and never trust them again, same as we would never trust the MSM or globohomo.

Blogger Brett baker December 16, 2019 9:14 AM  

PURGE THE MUTANT, THE HERETIC, THE UNCLEAN!

Blogger Johnny December 16, 2019 9:31 AM  

Trump doesn't look to me like a zealot, and so I believe he would fold if he could get some accommodation from the Deep State, but apparently they are not willing to deal and by now it is perhaps too late. Get some prosecutions going and it will be the rats, the deep state critters, fleeing the ship. Lots of fun if this thing breaks open and we appear to be at the tipping point.

Blogger Ska_Boss December 16, 2019 9:36 AM  

Forget Q's vague generalizations, check out Rudy Giuliani's (the president's attorney) most recent tweets, the Dems have every reason to be afraid.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 16, 2019 9:39 AM  

Q believes Chief Justice Roberts is going down for approving the FISA warrants, and that Trump will replace him with Clarence Thomas. If so, Sullivan v NYT is toast and the MSM will be bankrupted by defamation convictions. THAT will be fun to watch!

Blogger Silent Draco December 16, 2019 9:49 AM  

Deep State wants to operate in quiet, so my thought is The Storm will first rage in the quiet. Our first public indications will be large public fish leaving for [reason of the week], while smaller fish with damaging knowledge have [tragic accident of the week]. Apex fish to include the money bagman may quietly 'succumb to [disease]', in carefully worded or page 12 obituaries.

Blogger VFM Bear December 16, 2019 9:54 AM  

We'll know it's serious when the number of double-tap suicides spike.

Blogger pdwalker December 16, 2019 10:01 AM  

I pray that this is the beginning of the long, awaited storm.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 16, 2019 10:13 AM  

What Eric Holder wrote for the Post was a cry for help. The Deep Staters are terrified because they got caught. Because they cannot stop what's coming. And because they perpetrated other heinous crimes that could be exposed.

Blogger Shadow Banisher December 16, 2019 10:32 AM  

The utter lack of leaking, or even disclosure, from the ongoing investigations, can be seen as a good indicator of just how serious they are taking them. This ain't no tipsy tango.

Blogger J Van Stry December 16, 2019 10:34 AM  

I'll believe that there will be indictments once the trials start and not a moment before. They've had three years and there still hasn't been anything but talk.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 16, 2019 10:38 AM  

@didas kalos

I always say you have to call it before it happens, so;

#HolderDidntKillHimself

Blogger Meanoldbasterd December 16, 2019 10:41 AM  

Brett Baker: Aaaaaaameeeeeennnnnnnnn!!!!!!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 16, 2019 11:07 AM  

J Van Stry,

Quit moaning. You think something like this happens overnight?

Blogger Scuzzaman December 16, 2019 11:19 AM  

pdwalker;

A little revolution now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as STORMS in the physical.

Blogger Oswald December 16, 2019 11:38 AM  

The Dems still have some moves to make. They may try to impeach Barr. I hope his security is top notch. The deep state will not go quietly. Think of the list of high level government people that could be indicted: Former FBI Director, Former CIA Director, Former NSA Director, Former Attorney General, Former Acting Attorney General, Former Vice President of the USA, Former President of the USA. Talk about major scandal on the level of an earthquake. To nail those kind of high level people you really have to have the sort of evidence that nobody can question. that takes time. Can Trump get them all? Or will he be forced to make a deal, because they have to much on his people. They can't have anything on him, they would have already brought it out.

Blogger Avalanche December 16, 2019 11:44 AM  

@22 "And because they perpetrated other heinous crimes that could be exposed."

... they perpetrated other heinous crimes that WILL be exposed.
FIFY

Blogger Jack Amok December 16, 2019 12:21 PM  

Q believes Chief Justice Roberts is going down for approving the FISA warrants, and that Trump will replace him with Clarence Thomas.

That would be an interesting development, but what's the mechanism by which Q thinks Roberts goes down?

Blogger Raker_T December 16, 2019 12:22 PM  

Them being nervous is a good sign, otherwise, I would laugh at investigations as I usually do. Heretofore, they have meant some individual or situation was getting more attention than we could keep sweeping under the rug, so, "We looked into it, nothing to see here folks, case closed, have a nice day".
The following might be related, in terms of them needing a major distraction: Some memes are made at a grass roots level, but it looks like others aren't. I've seen great memes which should be near viral get no traction at all. There are probably meme making and dissemination operations out there. What I've seen in the last few days are memes about the "Big Bugaloo" or whatever it's called, that is, CW2.
I know it's on a lot of people's minds, but are there other reasons for promoting it? Typical entrapment operation?

Blogger Ska_Boss December 16, 2019 12:23 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:I'll believe that there will be indictments once the trials start and not a moment before. They've had three years and there still hasn't been anything but talk.

To be fair, this is Trump's 1st foray into politics (one straight into the highest office of the land by the way) where he has been under relentless assault from the press/MSM/Intelligence community, while dealing with both incompetent and backstabbing staffers, and at the same time doing his actual job of making America great again of which there are simply too many items to list.

I am eagerly awaiting the public trials or I'll even settle for a military tribunal for all of these corrupt officials but we have to be patient. There's discovery, due diligence, red tape, researching, investigating, gathering evidence/documents/testimonies, etc...

Blogger Gen. Kong December 16, 2019 12:34 PM  

Brennan in particular is a weak man - weak personality, a real gamma who tries desperately to portray himself otherwise. If the stuff hits *his* fan, will he work to take others down with him? One should think this highly likely.

Brennan (and the others) no doubt got the telegram spelled E-P-S-T-E-I-N, forseen even by the ghost of Ray Charles. Most of us here have known Holder was an utter criminal for at least a decade. Lock. Them. Up. Hopefully Trump has at last realized that there is no "deal" to be made with folks like these. It's not the real estate market. The Gambino family et al who operated in Trump's former playground were mere petty criminals compared to the near 200-proof evil of those who pull the strings of Holder, Brennan, etc.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 16, 2019 12:36 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:That would be an interesting development, but what's the mechanism by which Q thinks Roberts goes down?
A pillow in the night?

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 16, 2019 12:54 PM  

@31 Q says Roberts will resign. Spend more time with family, etc

Blogger Robert What? December 16, 2019 1:05 PM  

"What that something is, we do not know..."

What is the million dollar question. They certainly have nothing to fear from (((Horowitz))) and probably nothing from Barr either. So what remains?

Blogger Doug Cranmer December 16, 2019 1:05 PM  

Think of the list of high level government people that could be indicted: Former FBI Director, ..., Former President of the USA."

That long list just confirms what FBIanon said. Everybody is dirty at the highest levels on down. The problem is how do you take this apart without destroying the country?

And it's international in scope. Five eyes countries, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and on and on.

He said some of the information would lead to war.

Fuck, what mess. What job to do. We haven't really a clue beyond the glimpses Q and some AMA's have let us see.

Blogger Dyspeptic December 16, 2019 1:10 PM  

"Barr’s outrage over this shows me that there are going to be indictments"
If only I had a bitcoin for every time I have heard this stated with undeserved certainty. Barr hasn't shown any "outrage" over anything. This guy is congenitally unperturbed and very matter of fact about all of this. He has objections to the IG Report since it is obviously a whitewash to protect the usual parties. That doesn't mean we will get thousands of indictments and military tribunals. The most likely move by Durham will be to indict some relative small fry like Kevin Clinesmith and try to get him to roll over and implicate others. That isn't going to happen because Clinesmith doesn't want to end up like Seth Rich or Jeffrey Epstein.

No one will roll over, no one will cooperate and no one will be convicted by a swamp jury in DC. There will be no military tribunals because the top military brass are just as Deep State as the rest of the DC elite. It is entirely possible if not likely that Barr is a Deep State handler positioned to mitigate the damage. Why else would a pack of Deep State lackeys like the U.S. Senate confirm him as AG? Remember when Trump nominated swamp rat exterminator John Ratcliffe to be DNI and Richard Burr/Mark Warner/Mitch McConnell killed the nomination within a day. No one who is a threat to the swamp gets confirmed by the Senate which means Barr, Pompeo, Haspel, Wray, Nakasone, Mulvaney are all compromised. They are all handlers keeping Trump in the dark and neutralizing him at every turn. If the swamp really were drained DC would be a ghost town.

Blogger justaguy December 16, 2019 1:13 PM  

Above are reading the tea leaves wrong. Holder and Comey have laid out for the rest the active defense for the deep state. Comey: I trusted the system, I didn't know it was wrong, Holder: Barr is biased, everything was just mistakes. A few low-level people go down and no one high up gets touched. Media play Barr bias on and on. The only way someone takes on the intell people (FBI are not intell they arte LE) is if the allies of 5I give them up.

Barr knows there was spying before FBI investigation. H report says people meeting were chance. Unless intell agencies show AG and his prosecutor the memos-- they will not find them in the CIA. Since initial spies were foreign--well only goes south if Italy and Brits gave them up... Doubtful. Brennen is old hand at game and used allies until he could make it official. Just like the unmasking-- no one but inderlings at risk.

Chief Roberts reads the NYT too much to actually be fair-- or he would have already removed all FISA judges after NSA report years ago.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 16, 2019 1:25 PM  

That would be an interesting development, but what's the mechanism by which Q thinks Roberts goes down?

The Ed Buck way, perhaps. When he was first nominated, Bill Maher (yeah, I know) kept making jokes about him being gay.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 16, 2019 1:41 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Jack Amok wrote:That would be an interesting development, but what's the mechanism by which Q thinks Roberts goes down?

A pillow in the night?


Naaahh, too soon, but I like how you think. Guessing this time it's the Heart Attack Gun.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 16, 2019 2:04 PM  

All those pedo rings getting busted. The walls are closing in on Roberts and people like him.

Blogger SciVo December 16, 2019 2:05 PM  

tMmM! wrote:Brennan in particular is a weak man - weak personality, a real gamma who tries desperately to portray himself otherwise. If the stuff hits *his* fan, will he work to take others down with him? One should think this highly likely.

I hate the trite "you talk like a fag, and your shit is all retarded." But that is actually true about John Brennan.

For a long time, I had only seen pictures, and he looks like a stone-cold killer. But then I actually watched a video, and he's a punk.

Blogger tuberman December 16, 2019 2:22 PM  

" They've had three years and there still hasn't been anything but talk."

Such moronic Black-Pilling from so many?! Not just the above person with who knows what agenda?

First, the prime movers against Trump are mainly banksters, and they control the controllers that control the political puppets. The major threat to anyone who comes in to clean house is economic. The Bankers had the ability to completely destroy the USA economy for at least the first two years of Trump's term, if he had made rash moves to arrest bad people.
The second threat is through the judges and prosecutors. This is backed by assassination attempts, control of most media (including much of the alt-media), NGOs, various paid rabid organizations such as Antifa, BLM, and MS-13, plus much else.

The Economy had/has to be dealt with first or the cleanup guy loses. The Banksters operate WW through central banks like the Fed, so hard to get under control. Necessary to get Economy back to Main Street economy and away from Parasite Bank/Financial Companies that run Economy. THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT JUST TALK. The USMCA and the trade talks with a Brexit UK will happen and take the return of manufacturing/industrialization back to both the USA and the UK.

Second, the Federal judges are being cleaned up wholesale as over 170 Fed judges have been put in place the last three years. If some of you people think this means nothing, how do you think this might effect lawsuits against converged companies doing illegal crap? The MSM and globalist tech will soon find out.

Foundations must be laid, and the opposition must be given every opportunity to destroy themselves before one moves to outright war.


Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 16, 2019 2:35 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:Everybody is dirty at the highest levels on down. The problem is how do you take this apart without destroying the country?
Make up your mind: do you want to clean up, or do you want to continue the current mess?

Anything that ends the corruption is going to destroy the system that enables the corruption.
Anything that continues the system is going to continue the corruption the system enables.

Blogger Boaty Bear December 16, 2019 2:54 PM  

Is there any such thing as a *FORMER* (ex) C_A officer?

Blogger Oswald December 16, 2019 3:19 PM  

Enlightening. I didn't realize Justice Roberts was involved. I never trusted him since 2009 when he swore Obama in a second time without a bible. And then of course, he upheld that abomination Obamacare. He is the back pocket of the deep state when they need him. The rest of his votes don't matter or are misdirection. He votes for them when they need him too.

Blogger tuberman December 16, 2019 4:07 PM  

48. Oswald

Many people feel that Roberts was turned due to Blackmail, not just bribes.

Blogger RedJack December 16, 2019 5:27 PM  

Q may be a cos play. May be real, but I have my doubts.

I do know that the .fedgov types hate Trump. To the point they view him as the greatest threat.

Think about that.

I also have a feeling any military man above say captain HAS to play the game. So they have dirt, or leverage, on them. I have worked with to many ex officers to have a good feeling about that.

However I have worked with a lot of NCO's and enlisted that are very red pilled. They know the stink, and will not go quietly. If the great Bugallo (spelling?) starts, I am not sure what will happen.

Vox might have the right idea to just get out.

Blogger map December 16, 2019 5:30 PM  

Dyspeptic wrote:Remember when Trump nominated swamp rat exterminator John Ratcliffe to be DNI and Richard Burr/Mark Warner/Mitch McConnell killed the nomination within a day. No one who is a threat to the swamp gets confirmed by the Senate which means Barr, Pompeo, Haspel, Wray, Nakasone, Mulvaney are all compromised. They are all handlers keeping Trump in the dark and neutralizing him at every turn. If the swamp really were drained DC would be a ghost town.

This is CTH’s argument over at the Conservative Treehouse.
The problem with this narrative of Republican Deep State stooges, the idea that Barr, Pompeo, McConnell, etc., are just handling Trump, is that all of these Republicans are still cast as villains no matter what they do.
Remember, keep in mind what the public narrative actually is. Nancy Pelosi and all of her allies are Captain America and Mitch McConnell and all of his allies are Thanos. This is all fine in an Avengers movie where everything is fake, the audience knows it’s fake, and the two lead characters will simply go to lunch together after filming stops.
Pelosi, however, has the power to turn the fictional story into a documentary, where the actor doesn’t simply play the proverbial serial killer…he is the serial killer. Who would actually want to play such a role? What assurances does McConnell have that Pelosi won’t turn the machinery on him as she has on Donald Trump, just to maintain appearances with her supporters?
That’s the problem with this whole theory of secret Republican turncoats ready to stab Trump in the back…none of them are assured of any loyalty from their so-called Democrat partners. None of them are assured they won’t end up in the same dock as Trump. None of them can cut any deal that would hold their Democrat partners to account if the Dems turn on them.
After all, Trump could not do anything on his own. He needed help, right? So why not go after anyone who helped Trump, no matter how superficially?

Blogger Oswald December 16, 2019 5:36 PM  

49. Tuberman

I guess it doesn't matter how he became what he is. The result is the same. I think though it is more than blackmail. The swearing in of Obama getting flubbed and redone without a bible in the map room of the white house has ritual/symbolism written all over it. He is more likely an occultist, than a victim of blackmail.

Blogger Crew December 16, 2019 6:18 PM  

Over at Conservative Tree House they think the impeachment is to prevent Trump from declassifying various things:

There’s a strong likelihood that after the impeachment vote President Trump will not be able to declassify anything lest he be accused of obstructing his own impeachment.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/16/ag-bill-barr-chooses-to-protect-rosenstein-over-full-disclosure-in-flynn-case/

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 16, 2019 6:38 PM  

"Second, the Federal judges are being cleaned up wholesale as over 170 Fed judges have been put in place the last three years. If some of you people think this means nothing, how do you think this might effect lawsuits against converged companies doing illegal crap? The MSM and globalist tech will soon find out."

Yes, a federal judge appointed by Trump might be helpful in the future.

After you are arrested for the bullshit law and lose your job.
After you lose your property because you can't pay for it.
After your next 20 years are in hoc for those legal bills you owe because it's either a brainless public defender who does not give a shit or someone who wants big bucks.
After your "death do you part" marriage is over because you don't have money. I guess the vows didn't include that or specifically mention this.
After you're 20 years ahead of the 20 years of money you own your lawyer are in child support arrears. Provided you are not in jail for being unable to pay.
And after all that, and years of living in limbo hearing after hearing after hearing especially because the corrupt cops who brainlessly followed the laws passed by the corrupt politicians who were voted in by people brainwashed by the corrupt media are all still in place doing their thing corrupting along and lying every damned day...
maybe just maybe somebody might not be good enough at their talmudic interpretation of the law to fool the federal judge and you might get off because he was a Trump appointee one notch outside of the system so you get a choice to plea guilty with no prison sentence or something and still be ruined and broke for the rest of your miserable life.
Woopee. What a deal.

Judges are not enough. Oh look the tumor that has spread throughout the system and destroyed the organs is being attacked by some white blood cells! We're saved!

Yes the judges mean something. But it's not enough. Can you afford one of these lawsuits? Those who can still prefer their lollipops.

This is not black pill. It's truth. And we need enough of it to keep the fight going and not be like some boomers being like "hey, our guy is in the white house and appointing judges! Let's go (insert mindless indulgence to spend all of your time and energy on here)!"

So you are correct, but there are no laurels upon which to rest.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 16, 2019 6:52 PM  

@51: ". . . whole theory of secret Republican turncoats ready to stab Trump in the back."

Sundance is a sharp guy, but does he really believe that Senate Republicans are politically suicidal? Because that's what they would have to be to convict this president.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 16, 2019 6:57 PM  

Sundance is a team of investigators. Impossible for that volume of material daily at that high of a level of quality to be one guy in his mid 50's.

Blogger tuberman December 16, 2019 7:12 PM  

54. Doktor Jeep

Hey You, stop BSing and pay real attention. What did I say? I talked about people like VD and Owen suing people for illegal activities. As in the converged companies and tech companies. It's about people with resources on the Right. With judges more on the Right, these lawsuits will start being successful.

It's not about YOU, OR ANY OTHER "YOU" at this point. It's about taking down Corporate Cancer.

Blogger tuberman December 16, 2019 7:19 PM  

55. Longtime Lurker

Sundance is great when it comes to the Economy. Yet he's too paranoid about political material, so I take him with a big grain of salt with his theories about Barr, the Senate Republicans, or etc.

Blogger Johnny December 16, 2019 7:39 PM  

>>After all, Trump could not do anything on his own. He needed help, right? So why not go after anyone who helped Trump, no matter how superficially?

That is what they do and why so many Republicans remain out of the news. Plus a lot of them are deep state critters themselves. Where the argument falls through is when the defections become to numerous. That is why a rebellion, if it has underlying support, will spread like a wild fire. I smell smoke and see some flames off in the distance, so we will see what happens next.

Blogger map December 16, 2019 11:58 PM  

Johnny wrote:>>After all, Trump could not do anything on his own. He needed help, right? So why not go after anyone who helped Trump, no matter how superficially?

That is what they do and why so many Republicans remain out of the news. Plus a lot of them are deep state critters themselves. Where the argument falls through is when the defections become to numerous. That is why a rebellion, if it has underlying support, will spread like a wild fire. I smell smoke and see some flames off in the distance, so we will see what happens next.


But the Republicans are deep state critters on the receiving end of a narrative, one where they are painted as the evil villains. At what point does this stop being a LARP with their good-guy Democrat allies? At what point can the Democrats play this for real? Well...at any point. Look at Flynn, Manafort, Kavanaugh.

There is no trust at this point that Republicans really are on the same team.

Blogger map December 17, 2019 12:03 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:@51: ". . . whole theory of secret Republican turncoats ready to stab Trump in the back."

Sundance is a sharp guy, but does he really believe that Senate Republicans are politically suicidal? Because that's what they would have to be to convict this president.


I love Sundance's work, but he still is very pessimistic. It does have the salient point of describing a plausible hidden strategy.

He hates Q, but he has an almost Q-like depth of analysis. Still, according to him, the Mueller report should have long brought down Donald Trump. The Lawfare alone around that document should have never resulted in Mueller making a fool out of himself in congressional testimony and largely exonerating Trump of any wrong-doing. If Sundance was right, then Mueller should never have failed.

I, in fact, like reading Q and Sundance back-to-back.

Blogger map December 17, 2019 12:04 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Judges are not enough. Oh look the tumor that has spread throughout the system and destroyed the organs is being attacked by some white blood cells! We're saved!

Look, these are polemics on despair. Trump is a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition. You know he is on the track by simply how many enemies he makes.

Blogger map December 17, 2019 12:10 AM  

Frankly, I think that this whole "Republican turncoat" thing is a meme on the cynical right. Do any Democrats believe there are principled Republicans secretly fighting Trump?

Blogger map December 17, 2019 12:13 AM  

There is an interestiing movie starring Nick Nolte called Mother Night, based on a Kurt Vonnegut book of the same title. Nolte plays a Nazi triple agent who ran a Nazi propaganda radio show that was actually transmitting coded messages to the allies. His position was so secret, that every allied government denied his existence.

He ended up executed in an Israeli prison just to maintain that secrecy.

Is there any Republican willing to play that role in real life?

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2019 1:25 AM  

Johnny wrote:Trump doesn't look to me like a zealot, and so I believe he would fold if he could get some accommodation from the Deep State, but apparently they are not willing to deal and by now it is perhaps too late.

It is never too late to deal with a deal-maker, but they are zealots and cannot compromise even an iota. They make him look like he's playing 3-D chess when really he just making reasonable offers that they can't accept, because their egos are tied into the belief that "public servant" is "old hat," and they know what's good for the people.

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