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Saturday, December 28, 2019

The goose protests the gander

It's bitterly amusing to see the USA and EU fussing over their discovery that the rest of the world is not going to play with their stacked deck:
A move by the United Nations to approve a Russian-sponsored and China-backed resolution that aims to create a new convention on cybercrime has alarmed rights groups and Western powers that fear a bid to restrict online freedom.

The resolution was approved on Friday by the general assembly by a vote of 79-60, with 33 abstentions.

It establishes an expert committee representing all regions of the world “to elaborate a comprehensive international convention on countering the use of information and communications technologies for criminal purposes”. The resolution said the committee will meet in August 2020 to agree on an outline of its activities.

The United States, European powers and rights groups fear that the language is code for legitimising crackdowns on expression, with numerous countries defining criticism of the government as “criminal”.
Meanwhile, the US, the European powers, and rights groups are busy cracking down on expression of which they do not approve. They simply don't have a leg to stand on, and the rest of the world knows it. Do they really think that China, Russia, India, and everyone else don't see that no one is allowed to criticize certain peoples, races, and orientations despite this supposed freedom of expression?

And furthermore, Huawei is discovering the advantage of being forced to build your own platforms:
Being cut off from the world’s most popular mobile OS and being left with its open-source version at best was a blow for Huawei – but the split between the two tech giants is a sword that is capable of cutting both ways. Just months after Google’s decision, Huawei unveiled its own Harmony mobile OS and rolled out a new flagship smartphone without any proprietary Google apps. It vowed to finalize the development of Huawei Mobile Services (HMS) – a replacement for popular Google apps – by the end of the year.

The Chinese giant did not stop at that, and entered into negotiations with India’s top 150 app developers to convince them to publish their products on HMS, which itself could offer up to 150 'own apps' to customers all over the world.

“In the future, Chinese companies might push the American one from the entire Asian market. Huawei’s indigenously developed services might soon replace Google services like Gmail, YouTube, and Google Maps. Then, the US company will be in real trouble.”
I switched from Samsung to Huawei several years ago. Both their tablets and their phones are great; as for the OS, I barely noticed when the switch to Harmony took place. This is why I have no doubt that we will soon see a China-Russia-India technological alliance that, unlike the China-Russia-Iran military alliance, will be fundamentally offensive in nature.

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Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) December 28, 2019 4:01 PM  

"with numerous countries defining criticism of the government as “criminal”."

uh.

if criticizing the government cannot be considered criminal, how much more ridiculous is it to call criticizing, oh i dunno, "sexual orientation", to be considered criminal?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 28, 2019 4:22 PM  

China just wants to compete in the crush forbidden opinions market.

Blogger Ray - SoCal December 28, 2019 4:40 PM  

Alt Hero Fan Art

Sums it up.

This would be a great T-Shirt...

Blogger qualitycontrol December 28, 2019 4:52 PM  

I can't wait to buy a Huawei phone free of US-Gov google spyware. I just hope western app developers wait a bit before cutting them off. Most of the people I know don't have the will to abandon whatsapp for telegarm just yet.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2019 4:52 PM  

@1, it always comes back to who-whom, mein furor. Free speech for the globohomos, only.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon December 28, 2019 4:58 PM  

"alarmed rights groups and Western powers that fear a bid to restrict online freedom."

Bwahahahaha. Western countries allegedly caring about freedom of expression.

65 year old Swedish woman jailed for derogatory comments about Muslim immigrants:

https://samtiden.nu/2018/09/hovrattsdom-fangelse-i-tre-manader-for-christina-straffbar-missaktning-mot-muslimer/

Those defenders of freedom! Thank goodness they are going to protect us from the big bad Chinese.

Blogger Jay Will December 28, 2019 5:15 PM  

Independent nations.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 28, 2019 5:19 PM  

I prefer China to have all my data than Google, Apple and Facebook.

Blogger Gettimothy December 28, 2019 5:29 PM  

This is why I have no doubt that we will soon see a China-Russia-India technological alliance that, unlike the China-Russia-Iran military alliance, will be fundamentally offensive in nature.

I like this. Indians, Chinese go home to work for their own people.

#LearnToCodeInChinese

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 28, 2019 5:44 PM  

The Marx Brothers summed up much of the gamma attitude (as exhibited by Haxo once more today) in their song "Whatever it is I'm against it."

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 28, 2019 5:51 PM  

"I can't wait to buy a Huawei phone free of US-Gov google spyware. I just hope western app developers wait a bit before cutting them off. Most of the people I know don't have the will to abandon whatsapp for telegarm just yet."

Free of US-Gooogle spyware, full of People's Liberation Army spyware?

Blogger Crave December 28, 2019 6:07 PM  

If the animal whose jaws are upon my throat is being attacked by a similar animal with slanty eyes, I'll help the slanty-eyed critter deal with my immediate threat.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 28, 2019 6:07 PM  

I prefer China to have all my data than Google, Apple and Facebook.

It's ironic, innit? Our own SJWs and the evil corporations they infest are far more of a threat to our personal well-being than the most powerful foreign power on the planet.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 28, 2019 6:40 PM  

We don't need government censorship in this country. Corporate America on the behalf of leftist groups like Right Wing Watch and Sleeping Giants do it for them.

Blogger Pathfinderlight December 28, 2019 6:59 PM  

Anytime you hear the word "code" from a leftist, you should immediately know they are deliberately reading their own values into someone else's words.

Blogger Kiwi December 28, 2019 7:12 PM  

with numerous countries defining criticism of the government as “criminal”.

That's all fine and dandy until you get a problem like we have here now. We now have open and blatant criticism of the government, by an increasing chunk of its people, some undoubtedly new "criminals" since the gun buyback failure. Our terrorism threat sits at medium which is "Terrorist attack is assessed as feasible and could well occur." They don't indicate whether that's external or local. I should email them for clarification.

As for communications, I love my iphone, takes amazing pics and it's seriously waterproof so I can even dive and take video at the same time - I could sell these no problem. No internet under the water though, which is great because it means I can't be bothered by annoying geni and their continual electronic pestering. I wouldn't mind a firewall of some kind or perhaps the internet hose being unplugged from quite a few countries would be enough. Plenty of old school coms still available if needed.

Blogger Akulkis December 28, 2019 7:49 PM  

"I switched from Samsung to Huawei several years ago. Both their tablets and their phones are great; as for the OS, I barely noticed when the switch to Harmony took place."

How much of the "Harmony" code is just Android code which was spirited back to China via a Chinese H1B/spy?

When given the options between creating, copying, and stealing, the Chinese will always opt for stealing if they think they can get away with it, especially if stealing can performed by illicit, clandestine copying.

When I was in college, a professor was arrested, lost his tenure, and fired, for attempting to make a copy of the Unix source code. 4.3 BSD to be exact. The academic site license for said source code was $10,000, with strict terms that the source code not be copied.

The professor -- Chinese. Today, I regard that as "of course," but it wasn't obvious to me back then.

Blogger Ska_Boss December 28, 2019 7:52 PM  

Deep state on suicide watch. I expect more false flags and calls for war in the near future.

And a little competition is long overdue for the tech giants who are only good at acquiring the latest and greatest startups (anyone remember what YouTube was like before Google got their hands on it?) and subsequently using them to push/control the narrative.

Take it in folks, this is what winning feels like.

Blogger Akulkis December 28, 2019 7:54 PM  

"Plenty of old school coms still available if needed."

Packet radio in a high bandwidth format will come to be the new internet. However, it won't be as high bandwidth as what you are getting at your house (Wi-fi problem writ large).

Blogger carnaby December 28, 2019 7:55 PM  

Get Huawei off Java and onto C# or C++ or anything else that doesn't suck and I'm in. Developing apps for Windows Phone was a snap, Android sucks.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) December 28, 2019 8:02 PM  

For at least twenty years now, American elites have been operating under the delusion that they could move all the manufacturing to China and the third world, then import the finished products to America (tax free because muh free trade) and sell them for mega-profits to indentured Americans. But it turns out that China doesn't actually want to keep making cheap crap for American plebs, they'd rather build their own country.

What American companies could do to distinguish themselves from the foreign competition is to build quality apps and quality hardware which lack the bugs that the products from China and India are bound to have. But this assumes that there are still American companies with Americans making things and doing the programming, rather than quasi-American companies that outsource all the programming to China and India.

Blogger Crew December 28, 2019 8:03 PM  

But wait. American exceptionalism is better than Chinese copying!

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 28, 2019 8:04 PM  

Is there a "none of the above" option here?

Maybe I'll have to make one.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2019 8:22 PM  

Shane Bradman wrote:I prefer China to have all my data than Google, Apple and Facebook.
Ever fill out an SF-86? If so, China has it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2019 8:27 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Free of US-Gooogle spyware, full of People's Liberation Army spyware?
Short of passing my personal data to US-Gooogle, PLA really can't hurt me if they get it. US-Gooogle really can.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 28, 2019 9:50 PM  

I don't share your optimism, OC.

Blogger Kurt December 28, 2019 10:21 PM  

That's when we learn that 'freedom of speech' means silencing the right people.

Blogger Kiwi December 28, 2019 10:43 PM  

After doing a bit of research into Palantir Technologies, founded by NZ citizen and Lord of the Rings fan, Peter Thiel, I concluded that psyops are well beyond the level of there being any point in my worrying about which phone I've got or what browser I use.

Blogger Akulkis December 28, 2019 11:02 PM  

Not only that, but the PLA has not desire to harm Joe random citizen, whereas US-Google most certainly does.

As has been noted here time and again, the treachery from traitors within are far more dangerous than declared external enemies.

Blogger Gulo Gulo December 28, 2019 11:16 PM  

Promethean Jews or Chinese- pick your poison. At this stage in the game I'm leaning towards the chinks. They appear..at the moment ...to be the lesser threat.

Blogger Gulo Gulo December 28, 2019 11:23 PM  

"But it turns out that China doesn't actually want to keep making cheap crap for American plebs, they'd rather build their own country."

Feudalism always ends badly.
Speaking of which, I remember the old man waxing eloquent about the dangers that would arise from the parabolic rise of technology , predicting that it would ultimtely lead to what he termed "technological feudalism" . The old bird wasn't far off the mark.

Blogger Gulo Gulo December 28, 2019 11:31 PM  

"When given the options between creating, copying, and stealing, the Chinese will always opt for stealing if they think they can get away with it, especially if stealing can performed by illicit, clandestine copying."

This... a thousand times this. Ive run into this within my own line of work . Its almost humorous to see how clever they try to be to get information from you so that they can try and mimic how you do things.
I know of one gentleman here stateside who refuses to patent his technology and has now removed all windows on his manufacturing plant just so the Chinese will not figure out how he is doing things. He currently is manufacturing widgets at 1/2 the cost of the same widget being made in China. He is eating their lunch and its driving them mad.

Blogger urthshu December 28, 2019 11:45 PM  

"But it turns out that China doesn't actually want to keep making cheap crap for American plebs, they'd rather build their own country."

We'll just have to get our cheap crap made in India then.
Can't wait. kek

Blogger Hari Seldon December 29, 2019 12:30 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:I don't share your optimism, OC.

Indeed. It's not unreasonable to think that the CPC will use its trove of private data on Americans to blackmail certain individuals and manipulate them into acting in China's interests. Perhaps the PLA can't "hurt" OC, but in a full-blown information war, China will be in a position to hurt many Americans.

Why did a Chinese company buy Grindr?

Blogger Tomato bear December 29, 2019 2:22 AM  

Now that I know vox is using huawai. I am definitely going to be buying it from now.

Blogger boogeyman December 29, 2019 2:26 AM  

Nixon made a mistake in "opening up" China. It would have been better for the US if China remained a 3rd world backwater, an East Asian version of Cuba.

Blogger McChuck December 29, 2019 4:31 AM  

The UN is funny. The normal response for Russia and China to internet crime is "More, please!"

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira December 29, 2019 8:53 AM  

I switched from iPhone to Samsung so that I could play with Android Studio and make cross platform apps. Maybe it is time to buy another toy/hoodely-daddle with which to experiment.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 29, 2019 9:32 AM  

There are several Linux-based Android alternatives out there. None of them has caught on, probably because they don't have Google's money pushing them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Google makes sure it stays that way. But anyone with the resources can fork Android or Linux on a phone platform, so no surprise Huawei was able to do it, especially if they had government backing.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 29, 2019 12:00 PM  

Hari Seldon wrote:It's not unreasonable to think that the CPC will use its trove of private data on Americans to blackmail certain individuals and manipulate them into acting in China's interests.
You do remember that every clearance holder's SF-86 went off to China about three years ago, right?

I have always assumed that everything digital is public, and acted on that. For example, I don't enable online access for my accounts.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 29, 2019 1:22 PM  

Nixon made a mistake in "opening up" China. It would have been better for the US if China remained a 3rd world backwater, an East Asian version of Cuba.

A giant North Korea would've been far more likely. I'm not sure that would be a good thing for us either.

Blogger Scott Alfter December 29, 2019 2:33 PM  

>I can't wait to buy a Huawei phone free of US-Gov google spyware.

You don't have to wait:

https://e.foundation/

It uses the same AOSP base as Android and Harmony, with the developers having yanked out anything that phones home to Google (beyond just removing the biggest leaker, Google Play Services). A couple months ago, I loaded it on my Moto Z Play, and it's run like a champ ever since.

Blogger MATT December 29, 2019 2:51 PM  

You cant control people.

Blogger jkmack December 29, 2019 3:42 PM  

Android is open source, so they probably just got the code off github and let the h1b spy continue trying to clean actual secrets.

Blogger Balam December 29, 2019 7:15 PM  

Well, for me at least, I live on the extreme periphery of China's borders while I live in the heart of Google's influence. If you must choose someone to steal your information you could do worse than to choose one an entire world away

@Hari Sheldon
"Indeed. It's not unreasonable to think that the CPC will use its trove of private data on Americans to blackmail certain individuals and manipulate them into acting in China's interests."
The 4th generational element is that many citizens would be eager to stick it to Silicon Valley for free. If it went as far as Trump being removed you'd have angry Americans who would even pay for the privilege

Blogger James Dixon December 29, 2019 10:18 PM  

> Free of US-Gooogle spyware, full of People's Liberation Army spyware?

All my information going to a company that hates my people and wants us dead or all of my information going to a political organization that considers my people their rivals and potential opponents? Decisions, decisions.

> Is there a "none of the above" option here?

Sure. Several in fact. Just search for Android alternatives and you'll find them. The best is probably LineageOS: https://lineageos.org/

Blogger Statix December 30, 2019 12:00 AM  

YouTube/Facebook: *Bans Owen Benjamin, Gavin McGinnes, Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones, Laura Loomer...*

Also YouTube/Facebook: "China & Russia are destroying the modern ideals of freedom of speech & expression."

These "people" are just pathetic.

Blogger Statix December 30, 2019 12:23 AM  

>>"Just months after Google’s decision, Huawei unveiled its own Harmony mobile OS and rolled out a new flagship smartphone without any proprietary Google apps. It vowed to finalize the development of Huawei Mobile Services (HMS) – a replacement for popular Google apps – by the end of the year.

>>"The Chinese giant did not stop at that, and entered into negotiations with India’s top 150 app developers to convince them to publish their products on HMS, which itself could offer up to 150 'own apps' to customers all over the world."

Cut the head off the hydra, & three new ones emerge in its place.

Die, Google. Die.

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