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Saturday, January 11, 2020

Adios again, Oakland

The Raidess are no longer the Oakland Raiders:
The Raiders are no longer the Oakland Raiders. They’re not the Las Vegas Raiders either.

For now, they’re just the Raiders.

The franchise made a change to all of its social media accounts, dropping Oakland. It will not add Las Vegas to its handle until the new league year starts in March, according to Josh Dubow of the Associated Press.

The NFL already made the switch, listing the Raiders as just the Raiders with no city attached in its releases last week to announce the 2020 draft order and 2020 opponents of each team.
Perhaps they should become an itinerant pirate team, playing all of its games away all season. That might actually work....

But Las Vegas does appear to be a fitting home for them.

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Blogger Cataline Sergius January 11, 2020 8:04 AM  

The Raiders are getting quite the new House.

The $2 billion Allegiant Stadium will feature 1,700 Wi-Fi access points backed by redundant 40-gigabit optical internet connections, which Cox Business Vice President Derrick Hill said will have the bandwidth for every mobile device in the 65,000-seat stadium. There will be more than 227 miles of fiber. There will also be 2,200 Samsung screens and signs, powered by Cisco Vision. With the technology, Cox will provide a variety of fan interaction elements, such as virtual meet and greets.

My initial reaction was, "is anybody going to be watching the actual game?"

Blogger Bogey January 11, 2020 8:24 AM  

If choosing my favorite team was a rational decision I would have left them years ago, but alas, no matter where they go...there I am.

Blogger Silent Draco January 11, 2020 8:39 AM  

SDL and Cataline are onto something, but think grander. Refit this stadium to have a mostly opaque or shuttered dome.

In season, live and replay holographic projection of the games, with full graphic interaction.

Out of season and weekdays: Fortnite, Warhammer40K, other MMO.

Nick Cole is disturbingly prescient.

Blogger David Ray Milton January 11, 2020 8:41 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

Aren’t the Chargers/Rams getting a top of the line stadium also? I’d be wary of investing in a team with the league’s declining viewership. But hey, I’m no billionaire.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 11, 2020 8:52 AM  

Watching the actual game is so 1999. It's all about the "gameday experience" now.

Blogger Johnny January 11, 2020 8:54 AM  

>>There will be more than 227 miles of fiber. There will also be 2,200 Samsung screens and signs...

Sounds like they could rent a theater, put the electronics in that, and then sell seats there. Just kidding for now, but maybe it time sports entertainment will come down to virtual reality.

Blogger Wayne January 11, 2020 8:57 AM  

If the Raiders are down by 20 points, no one will be watching the game on the field. Wifi will keep them in the stadium to buy beer and nachos.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 11, 2020 9:09 AM  

@1 $2 BILLION; good grief.

Cranking the old "circuses" up to 11.

Blogger Brett baker January 11, 2020 9:20 AM  

In olden times, you went to a popular show at the theater to show you were one with the rabble; now you go to sporting events.

Blogger tublecane January 11, 2020 9:28 AM  

Las Vegas would kinda be the closest thing to not having a fanbase. I don't know the permanent population. But those residents probably aren't home-team types. More like "on the run from life in another state"/mirgant worker types.

There's the rest of Nevada, but do they identify Vegas as their own? It's more like colonized territory.

Are the Raiders/NFL banking on it being the first Tourist Team?

Blogger Eduardo January 11, 2020 9:43 AM  

Yeah I can see them just pillaging stadium after stadium and robbing patches of grass as souvenirs for their evil boat on wheels: Priscilla...

Blogger Nostromo January 11, 2020 9:51 AM  

Well... it IS the Raiders, so...

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia January 11, 2020 10:01 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:The Raiders are getting quite the new House.

The $2 billion Allegiant Stadium will feature 1,700 Wi-Fi access points backed by redundant 40-gigabit optical internet connections, which Cox Business Vice President Derrick Hill said will have the bandwidth for every mobile device in the 65,000-seat stadium. There will be more than 227 miles of fiber. There will also be 2,200 Samsung screens and signs, powered by Cisco Vision. With the technology, Cox will provide a variety of fan interaction elements, such as virtual meet and greets.

My initial reaction was, "is anybody going to be watching the actual game?"


They will be, but parts of it on their devices.

I mentioned this on another thread, but football is a game made to be watched on TV. Replays, slow motion, pylon cam, coaches cam...this is stuff you can't get sitting in Row 64 at the 10 yard line.

Unless, of course, the stadium is wired like corporate HQ.

Blogger Gettimothy January 11, 2020 10:27 AM  

"considers catching bucs vs raiders in Vegas. Remembers Mandalay Bay"

Blogger Section 8A January 11, 2020 10:45 AM  

Al Davis, Erasmus Hall HS in Brooklyn graduate, would be happy, I believe, with the marriage of the outlaw LV image and the Raiduzz.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 11, 2020 11:10 AM  

*John Facenda voice*

"The desert wind is a Raider..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh6E4Cks1W4

Blogger Jon D. January 11, 2020 11:21 AM  

Just one more reason to Bang Bang Niner Gang.

Adios, Traitors.

Blogger Pathfinderlight January 11, 2020 11:35 AM  

It's really sad all that California corruption money can't bribe the Raiders to stay anymore...on second thought, this is very uplifting for the rest of us. Criminal corruption being punished by reality!

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 11, 2020 11:48 AM  

@1 The cyberpunk future becomes more real.

Blogger R Devere January 11, 2020 11:52 AM  

Tony "the Ant", Spilotro was unavailable for comment on your last sentence!!

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 11, 2020 11:54 AM  

The Warriors abandoned Oakland as well, leaving the A's alone in their dilapidated wreck of a Colosseum. Poor redheaded stepchild of a city.

My initial reaction was, "is anybody going to be watching the actual game?"

A sea of smartphones held aloft, making videos they will never watch: this is the eventual future of all live events.

Not really sure who they expect to show up in the first place. Las Vegas is much smaller population-wise than the Raiders' former East Bay/Nor Cal fanbase, there's nothing else around LV, and it's a long drive from anywhere with big numbers. Are they expecting people from LA to make a 4 hour one way trip to the games?

Blogger R Devere January 11, 2020 11:55 AM  

"My initial reaction was, "is anybody going to be watching the actual game?"
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It's the NFL! Nobody cares about "the game", only your own fantasy team players.

Blogger Right Republican January 11, 2020 11:56 AM  

Oakland Raiders: Original home team of the thug-lifestyle subculture.

Blogger rcocean January 11, 2020 12:06 PM  

The Raiders screwed over Oakland back in the 70's when Al Davis moved them to LA to get a few more $$. Of course, Oakland had a case of unrequited love and begged him to come back.

Blogger Robert What? January 11, 2020 12:29 PM  

Good point. It always amazes me to see people (mainly women) watching an event they are attending through their smartphones rather than experiencing the live event with their own eyes. Why is that? I'm in my 60s so maybe that's why I don't get it.

Blogger RedJack January 11, 2020 12:39 PM  

Was in Vegas last month for work. Many of the locals are excited.

As an aside, I had forgotten how Vegas files like you are entering into a gaudy bordello. If you ever have a chance to talk to the locals, do so.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope January 11, 2020 1:30 PM  

What is my season ticket holding brother going to do now? I guess he may have to spend more time with his teenagers and wife rather than being gone the entire day to go to a from an Oakland game. And what will he do with all the money saved?

That said, he and I have been Raiders fans since 1972, so I don't blame him for the time and money he has been spending.

For the Raiders, I don't blame them for moving from Oakland. That stadium is terrible and the neighborhood even worse. Feels like visiting South Africa when you go there.

I don't know what kind of home team fan base they can have in Vegas. LV has quite a large population, but many of them have little extra spending money, basically lower middle class working tourism industry jobs which don't pay a lot. I expect they have licensed box seats and other goodies with conference companies. So when there are big industry conferences in Vegas, the conference organizers can offer companies the perk of NFL tickets? But that is only during football season. I expect they have all kinds of other stuff lined up.

When the economy continues to tank, and people have less money for trips to Vegas, what then? Or will people always prioritize their little addictions?

Blogger Johnny January 11, 2020 1:31 PM  

I wonder if I made a calculation mistake. A 2,000,000,000 stadium that has 65,000 seats comes out to a little over $30,000 per seat. If you aspire to something over 10 percent on your money, the base return hoped for would be more than $3,000 per year on each seat. And that would be in excess of all operating costs. Sounds like some excess funding from government. Either that or they figure the spectator draw to Vegas will be high enough to cover the cost with the gambling in the city.

Blogger Jack Morrow January 11, 2020 1:58 PM  

Football games played as virtual reality would at least improve the situation with regard to CTE.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 11, 2020 2:16 PM  

David Ray Milton wrote:@Cataline Sergius

Aren’t the Chargers/Rams getting a top of the line stadium also? I’d be wary of investing in a team with the league’s declining viewership. But hey, I’m no billionaire.


Yes, they are. The SoFi stadium will cost $5 billion.

70,000 seats expandable to 100,000. 240 suites. 13,000 "premium seats." All features and amentias comparable to Allegiant Stadium, 2,600 Wifi-6 access points.

As OPAF as that sounds it should be remembered that SoFi is hosting the 2028 Olympics.

Regardless, the thing to remember is that these days, a stadium doesn't sit empty during the off season. SoFi isn't even finished yet and it's already booked solid for this year's summer music tours.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 11, 2020 2:22 PM  

tublecane wrote:Las Vegas would kinda be the closest thing to not having a fanbase. I don't know the permanent population. But those residents probably aren't home-team types. More like "on the run from life in another state"/mirgant worker types.

That used to be the case but not anymore.

Now the population consists of Californians on the run from the taxes they imposed on themselves.

This is the odd case of a team that has followed it's fanbase into the desert.

Blogger Patrick Kelly January 11, 2020 2:52 PM  

Been a Raider's fans since before Vox was breathing. I wanted them to move to Tijuana and become "Los Vatos".

Blogger Ransom Smith January 11, 2020 2:54 PM  

In a somewhat related note, I have a feeling the years long push for a soccer team in Vegas will be successful this time, assuming they can share that stadium.

Blogger DougW January 11, 2020 8:09 PM  

My cousin, Mickey Marvin, was a starting offensive guard for them in the glory days (he had two SB rings). I was lucky enough to meet all the legendary characters as a skinny, pimply-faced pre-teen, as well as Madden. I have to say VD's idea of them playing all their games as the away team would've been embraced by the seat-of-the-pants, freewheeling Raiders of yore!

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you think it's a coincidence that Tucker Carlson shares initials with Ted Cobbler? Never Go Full Retard ) January 11, 2020 8:25 PM  

21. bodenlose Schweinerei January 11, 2020 11:54 AM
Are they expecting people from LA to make a 4 hour one way trip to the games?


why not? as anyone who has been on I-15 south out of Vegas on a Sunday afternoon can tell you, there's a bunch of them who are doing it NOW and the only current pro team is NHL.

people go to Vegas for the gambling.

NFL is something else for them to do while they're there.

also, Vegas can't host a Super Bowl if they don't have a stadium.

i like how it's going to be dual surface astroturf and natural grass ... the grass field is on rollers so it can be moved out of the way because the UNLV Runnin Rebels prefer artificial turf.


1. Cataline Sergius January 11, 2020 8:04 AM
My initial reaction was, "is anybody going to be watching the actual game?"


you think paying 3-4 figures for an uncomfortable seat, grossly over priced drinks and food, astronomically priced fan gear and a ~6" phone display is a bit much?

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel January 11, 2020 8:38 PM  

"The $2 billion Allegiant Stadium will feature 1,700 Wi-Fi access points backed by redundant 40-gigabit optical internet connections, which Cox Business Vice President Derrick Hill said will have the bandwidth for every mobile device in the 65,000-seat stadium. There will be more than 227 miles of fiber. There will also be 2,200 Samsung screens and signs, powered by Cisco Vision. With the technology, Cox will provide a variety of fan interaction elements, such as virtual meet and greets."


Panem et Circenses; meet food stamps and municipal and state stadium subsidization.

Blogger RobertDWood January 11, 2020 10:01 PM  

Sports betting in the stadium needs network connectivity. This will pay for itself.

Blogger Son of John January 11, 2020 10:20 PM  

The transient Raiders

Blogger Dire Badger January 12, 2020 12:33 AM  

"The Vegas Raiders" Sounds inauspicious.
At least they weren't bought by San Fransisco.

Blogger Dire Badger January 12, 2020 12:53 AM  

Jack Morrow wrote:Football games played as virtual reality would at least improve the situation with regard to CTE.

holy crap, I think you seriously stumbled onto something here.

A 'virtual' stadium... with teams made up of gamers, under their own names, who each play a single position on the team... You could have tournaments to see what 'fantasy football' players (nerdgamers) make up the final teams in the virtual bowl, or you could do it the traditional way and have teams formed out of smaller torunament winners that eventually compete in the virtual NFL

It would be YUGE!
No more sports injuries and brain damage, no more domination by Howler monkeys wearing plastic platemail, and the 'spring training' would consist of a room full of Korean Kids at tables with PC's. "Oh my god! Carpal Tunnel!" "Quick! Get the sports medicine doctor for a sprained wrist! I am sorry Trang, but it looks like you will be out for at least two games while your wrist heals!"

No technical or personal fouls, few errors, heck, you could even put the 'athletes' in a full-immersion VR rig with 360 degree treadmills, so real skill is required.


And if not a league, at the very least a scifi comedy about it.

Blogger Jack Morrow January 12, 2020 1:18 PM  

The NFL had a number of teams in its early years that played all or most of their games on the road. Go here for a list.

Blogger Sambuca_Ford January 12, 2020 1:39 PM  

The NFL's long game here is getting the Davis family out of the league. That aside, anyone making the KC game?

Blogger MrNiceguy January 13, 2020 6:27 PM  

I can just imagine the Raiders traveling the country in the team bus, followed by the diehard fans in a Mad-Max-esque convoy, leaving a trail of burned-out cities and victorious home teams in their wake.

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