Sunday, January 26, 2020

Romulans are the new Muslims

It's not really possible to ruin Star Trek, in my opinion, but according to the Dark Herald, to the extent it is possible to ruin it, Bad Robot appears to have successfully done so with Picard:
The blitheringly incompetent Bad Robot productions is producing Picard, so it takes place in the Kelvin timeline, because everyone wanted more of that! Kurtzman is running it so you know it was born as a festering boil covered abomination. And he has admitted that Picard is NOT a canonical sequel to Star Trek: The Next Generation.

You heard that right. The much ballyhooed Picard is more J. J. Abrams fanfic!

And it’s been written by Avrika Goldman who wrote A Beautiful Mind (Wait! Stop! Don’t get your hopes up) as well as Batman and Robin, Batman Forever, plus the Lost in Space movie. When Goldman is only in it for a paycheck he is the living embodiment of phoning it in.

And phone it in he did!

Starting off a Star Trek series with a anti-Nationalist political rant was a bad enough start, but following that with an action scene let all of the Star Trek fans know upfront that this one is on the fast track to ST:D-ville.
I'm not even going to pretend to care since I am congenitally indifferent to all things Star Trek, but I post this here as a public service.

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Blogger Skyler the Weird January 26, 2020 8:54 AM  

Bad Reboot strikes again. I heard the mysterious woman who shows up at the Picard Vineyards is a carbon copy of Rey Mary Sue from the other JJ disasters.

Blogger Username_Unavailable January 26, 2020 8:57 AM  

"Starting off a Star Trek series with a anti-Nationalist political rant was a bad enough start"

This is like being surprised to find naked women at a strip club. It's Star Trek. It's always been anti-nationalist trash.

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 26, 2020 9:05 AM  

Being anti-nationalistic nothing new. ST:DS9 was anti-nationalistic, and very pro-diversity and multiculturalism. There is an episode where Admiral Ross openly states as much. Globalism has always been the goal the Federation.

Blogger Balkan Yankee January 26, 2020 9:10 AM  

New Star Trek series?


Blogger General Grudge January 26, 2020 9:17 AM  

Never been a big Star trek fan for obvious reasons but the first trailer for this show sure looked good and i was tempted. Glad something held me back- looks like same old garbage.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 26, 2020 9:31 AM  

What wait? I thought Star Trek was already dead.

Blogger Lauri Stark January 26, 2020 9:33 AM  

I do like Star trek but haven't paid any attention to these new iterations. Roddenberry had a vision I may not agree with, but it was a vision. Abrams and his likes are corporate hacks.

Blogger Johnny January 26, 2020 9:45 AM  

I liked the early TV show well enough. In one of the episodes they had this galactic trader guy, presented as a very negative stereotype. If you think of it, because the Enterprise isn't visibly funded by any activity, somebody back there is footing the bill. The Enterprise has to be funded by taxes. The galactic trader, as a business guy, is going to be one of the population of people who fund the fancy dancy Captain Kirk. The sleaze ball funder and the super duper spender is what the show was.

Blogger Warunicorn January 26, 2020 9:58 AM  

I recall Patrick Stewart also saying some sh*t about Trump a few days ago. Quelle surprise. He and his lot can go drink bleach.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2020 9:59 AM  

I'll take the counter point, entertaining liberal notions is not bad in itself, it's just they do it so badly, I mean really bad, off the charts bad. At one time we had "Huck Finn" now we are down to two Healers peddling crap to the slightly retarded Do Gooders and the Superfans who are too stupid to move on with their lives.

But thanks for the warning on this, I might have taken a free trial offer to watch this, but obviously it's on the level of bad that Star Wars has become.

Blogger jkmack January 26, 2020 10:07 AM  

About the only appeal Star Trek provided was the distinct Venn Diagram overlap with what is now known as Bernie Bros. That particular type of male that yearns for socialism.

Now that being a Bernie Bro is "ok" per Toe Rogan, Star Trek has lost all utility, and thus usefulness.

Blogger Stilicho January 26, 2020 10:28 AM  

I enjoyed the 70's reruns of the original as a child. Hated everything since. The leftism and globalism is there in the original, but the show was still about sci fi. It became pure political message fiction after that and impossible to watch.

Blogger Mr Smith January 26, 2020 10:33 AM  

I watched PICARD. It was hilarious, kind hearted Romulan refugees taking care a geriatric Picard in his vineyard nursing home. It's nothing more than to reassure the Boomers that immigration is awesome and kind foreigners will take care of them in a socialist utopia.

Contrast this with the MANDALORIAN, where the protagonist's famous line is "I'm a Mandalorian, weapons are part of my religion." And you see the difference in what Gen-X likes in scifi vs the Boomers.

Blogger rcocean January 26, 2020 10:41 AM  

I liked TOS, because of the interactions between Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty, and Kirk. TNG was too weird for me and full of unlikable characters.

Blogger MichaelJMaier January 26, 2020 10:42 AM  

"Bad Reboot".... too true.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 26, 2020 10:42 AM  

Here is the big thing guys. The Federation is now E-V-I-L because it wouldn't let in the Romulans when their home planet blew up.

Despite the fact that they had an entire empire of their own they could move into.

So the Federation is now evil because it has turned Nationalist.

Blogger rcocean January 26, 2020 10:43 AM  

Rodenberry had to keep his inner globalist/leftist freak in check during the TOS, because it wouldn't have gotten on the air. By the time TNG rolled around, society had changed, and it was Diversity/PC on steroids. I mean, Whoppi Goldberg?!

Blogger Johnny January 26, 2020 10:48 AM  

What I found to be humorous rather than irritating was that in the original TV series they operated under this directive to not interfere with the native cultures they encountered. Meanwhile they interfered all the time. What can I say, how liberal of them? Art imitates life.

More than anything the latest TV stuff seems like a soap opera set in outer space.

Blogger megabar January 26, 2020 10:50 AM  

Loved TNG. I still love the notion, even though I have come to understand that humanity is not (genetically) ready.

TNG is a vision of what humanity _could_ become, in the far distant future, if we could reverse dysgenic trends.

If ST positions itself as an ideal for future humanity, I have zero problems with it. If it, as is the norm, fashions itself as a bludgeon against modern right-wing folks, then I'll pass. Or if it just sucks, like the recent movies.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 26, 2020 10:52 AM  

Good God there is more echo around the names behind the production of Picard than you would hear on a U2 album.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 26, 2020 10:58 AM  

Speaking of the Religion of Peace:

Blogger Mad Italian January 26, 2020 11:00 AM  

Based on the scuttlebutt, if Romulans are the new Muslims; then Androids are the new Gays. (E.g. Romulans are hunting and killing Androids.)

Blogger Quilp January 26, 2020 11:01 AM  

I understand Patrick Stewart went on the The View to publicly ask Whoopi Goldberg to appear on the show and continue her character as his lover. They just can't help themselves.

Blogger Trump Ally January 26, 2020 11:09 AM  

I was a very big fan of Seven of Nine. That is about it.

Blogger Apoliteia January 26, 2020 11:24 AM  

12) I must make a bit differing stance here. While I admit ST:NG to be often heavy (and usually embarrassingly obvious) on lefty political message, I do maintain that some episodes give certain self-backlash, stressing traditional virtues like loyalty, honor and personal integrity. Note that Klingons get a much more positive light on them in NG than in OS, while Romulans' cowardly and uninitiative nature gets focused on.

And, after all, are not the NPC-like Borg just a perfect caricature of the Globalist mindset?

Blogger kurt9 January 26, 2020 11:39 AM  

Star Trek was always very progressive liberal right from the original series. This Picard thing must be way over the top.

Star trek was originally a figment of the Roddenberry's 1960's liberal imagination. Of course it assumed that nationalism of any kind was obsolete and that the Federation was the decedent of a UN-derived one-world government. For those of you who remember the 70's, talk of the desirability of one-world socialist government was common among liberals at the time. The election of Reagan put an end to this non-sense.

I have not watched this Picard thing. However, whenever I do watch Star Trek (purely for entertainment of course) I watch it with the full expectation of the techno version of liberal progressivism.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 26, 2020 11:45 AM  

Stewart spends every public appearance kissing an ancient pedophile on the lips.
All I need to know about him.

Blogger sammibandit January 26, 2020 12:18 PM  

TNG is a vision of what humanity _could_ become, in the far distant future, if we could reverse dysgenic trends.

I'm a big fan of TNG as well, but canon is that it started with a nuclear winter. In First Contact Cochrane and crew are in Alberta or Montana, a favored neoliberal setting, when they are told by TNG cast to get ready for a UFO to save them, but only if they send the right smoke signal. At least the Modernists at the beginning of the 20th century had one foot in Western traditions.

TNG is like Frankists who think that sinning brings Jesus to the table.

I preferred TNG and OS to Star Wars since when I saw the movies I was very upset Han Solo was carbonized. I wasn't familiar with heroic stories being age 4 at the time and thought he was completely and totally dead. TNG and OS were safe, soft stories in comparison.

Blogger VD January 26, 2020 12:25 PM  

Loved TNG. I still love the notion, even though I have come to understand that humanity is not (genetically) ready. TNG is a vision of what humanity _could_ become, in the far distant future, if we could reverse dysgenic trends.

That's insane. Star Trek is a horrific dystopia.

Blogger Emmanuel January 26, 2020 12:28 PM  


Well, the genre is literally called Space Opera, even regardless of whether the particular plot is operatic in any way. Though, let's be real here, even TOS was operatic in the soapy sense. So long as space ships and traveling on them are integral to the story, though, you're dealing with Space Opera. You can even have fantasy space opera ala Starjammers from DnD.

Blogger Capital6 January 26, 2020 12:40 PM  

Red Letter Media's reviews of the Star Trek movies are gold.

Realing that the Federation was the aggressor in the Dominion War is priceless.

Jeri Ryan had her moments for teenage boys.

Q usually had amusing episodes.

Kate Mulgrew did a pro-Flat Earth documentary.

The Wrath of Khan still holds up and has meme potential.

I used to watch TNG with my Dad as a kid. Good memories.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 26, 2020 1:02 PM  

Star Trek simply doesn't make sense. I believe the premise of Discovery is that the Klingons are villains because they want to keep their culture pure. So therefore it is up to the Federation to cure them of their evil impulses. Uh, excuse me SJW retards, but that means that the Federation is colonialist. And of course there is the whole "no money in the future" thing. If that is true, then why does Picard's family have a vineyard? And why are Romulans working on it? Cause they "love" Picard so much?

Blogger FP January 26, 2020 1:15 PM  


Its hilarious how none of them, including Patrick Stewart even know the show's history. But then, this is the Kelvin alternative timeline so anything goes, including 90% of their serious fans who want their old trek back. Where they can ignore a lot of the political/philosophical bs.

Stewart was interviewed a few weeks ago and said he wanted to do something in the show regarding Trump and Brexit. So poor Romulans or something. Turns out Stewart is a socialist and has been for decades, supporting hollywood commies who had been blacklisted.

The best part is the Bad Reboot idiocy is just the usual suspects ruining yet another money maker franchise over ideology and money. Companies fighting over who has the rights to what among themselves. The Viacom/CBS/BadRobot battle is all about lawyers and who makes what from what. JJ Abrams wants all the money for himself from licensing rights but has to pay for anything that references the "main timeline".

Also, I was surprised at how many people couldn't see how bad it would be from the trailer a few months ago. It was cliche tropes from the start but hope springs eternal I guess.

Blogger Capital6 January 26, 2020 1:22 PM  

This is probably the reason why no episodes ever go into the daily lives of Joe Everyman and Jane Average and, instead, focus on the adventures of various military crews.

Really have to wonder what Jason Schmo of rural Nebraska who didn't get into Starfleet does. The settlers on the Romulan border who are set to be invaded by the monster of the week receive explanations. Jason, not so much.

Blogger R.G. Camara January 26, 2020 1:38 PM  

A word on Patrick Stewart and the fall of Picard.

Before the Mr. Plinkett guys ripped apart the Star Wars Prequels, they did some preliminary work tearing apart the bad Next Generation movie (if you watch their movie review videos, there's a running gag about how huge a Star Trek mark the main guy Mike is).

Anyway, in those preliminary videos, they pointed out how the Next Generation movies had almost no resemblance to the show, especially the characters. The characters in those movies act all wrong. Most notably Picard, who goes from a stoic, intelligent, thoughtful leader into some kind of wild-eyed, emotional, revenge-obsessed hothead. (The Mr. Plinkett guys joke that he's an imposter named Larry).

When you watch the behind the scenes of the making of those films, they interview Stewart, who praises the films as so action packed because, according to Stewart, it was always an action series.

Freeze frame. No, it wasn't. Star Trek was about likeable characters dealing ethical, moral problem stories with bits of action put in to punctuate the issues. It was not an action show.

The fact that Stewart said such a lie with a straight face, and his later career, showed me he's more a hammy actor than a deep one. The X Men movies were overblown, didactic, and over the top, and now his inability to see that hammy politics don't work with Picard show that while he has a very deep gravitas-giving voice, and that a restraining director/script can make him shine, when you take away those things you have a middling actor with little idea of what actually works with an audience.

Blogger Dave January 26, 2020 1:43 PM  

Kudos to Cataline for sacrificing his wealth, time, and mind to signup, view, and write a blogpost on this subject.

Read his blogpost so Cataline's suffering will not have been in vain.

Blogger sammibandit January 26, 2020 1:45 PM  

Thanks VD for hosting this thread. I came to realize that ST is premised on horror quite late so it's nice to talk in the company of those who saw it years beforehand.

I believe the premise of Discovery is that the Klingons are villains because they want to keep their culture pure.

So did the Kazon-Nistrim in VOY. I don't know if you're familiar but they were a Delta Quad species that hunted other species and built up a trophy culture. In one story arch they kidnapped the cast of VOY and mind controlled them so they lost memories of being used as hunting targets in a holodeck simulation of WWII. Guess which side the Kazon-Nistrim was on. Janeway convinced them to use only NPCs for hunting if memory serves. If that's not neoliberalism in a nutshell I don't know what is. The mission of VOY was just to get home.

But the Kazon were nothing compared to the species with the Phage. Some of the symbolism in ST is so unintentially hilarious. A species with the gay wasting disease. Laughable.

Blogger R.G. Camara January 26, 2020 1:49 PM  

Capital6 wrote:Red Letter Media's reviews of the Star Trek movies are gold.

Realing that the Federation was the aggressor in the Dominion War is priceless.

Jeri Ryan had her moments for teenage boys.

Q usually had amusing episodes.

Kate Mulgrew did a pro-Flat Earth documentary.

The Wrath of Khan still holds up and has meme potential.

I used to watch TNG with my Dad as a kid. Good memories.

The fact that Q was never made a prime antagonist or the main story in the Next Generation movies shows just how bad they were. Literally the greatest villain of the series, the all-powerful one, and the one who was a huge part of the season finale---and he never got even mentioned in the films! John de Lancie got hosed.

Meanwhile, they brought Q onto DS9 and Voyager, and they really hurt the character in those series by making his problems more banal. Q should've never gotten involved in those series, he was too big, and his whole reason for showing up in Next Generation was how much he was fascinated by Picard. Why he was never in a movie is beyond me.

Blogger Gr8Again January 26, 2020 1:50 PM  

What's funny about ST:TNG is that the show runners were liberal globalists but often accidentally undermined their own narrative.

Romulans are basically conniving (((eskimos))). Everybody hates them and you can't trust them.

Ferengi were supposed to be scary capitalist extremists, but they ended up merely becoming a joke. Basically, the Ferengi are what you get if you have capitalism in a low trust society. It doesn't work.

The Borg, a depiction of unrestrained communism, ended up being perhaps the most frightening villain in all of science fiction - at least until Lore screwed them up.

And the hyper-nationalist Klingons may be barbaric, but they are also honorable and trustworthy - guys you would want in your foxhole when it matters.

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 26, 2020 2:11 PM  

The Federation is a Dystopia. They send people who don't follow the secondary directives to reeducation camp. Like the one in Auckland New Zealand where they had Tom Paris.

Blogger tublecane January 26, 2020 2:55 PM  

@39- I don't understand how Kilngons can be both barbaric and possess a Space Empire. Red Letter Media once joked they hide the smart Kilingons in caves or something to work on the science, while the warrior ones abuse them for being nerds.

My knowledge of Star Trek comes from the movies mostly, and Klingons in those things were cultured. Christophers Lloyd and Plumber were into Shakespeare and crap.

Blogger tublecane January 26, 2020 3:09 PM  

@8- I thought the idea of Star Trek was that terrestrial civilization had reached a stage of Actual economic Plenty, where you can make whatever you want with the push of a button. Or everything you want that can be made, which of course doesn't include the want to "boldly go" and explore.

Not that there wouldn't still be trade and black markets. Especially with all the other civilizations they brush up against. But I don't think they needed taxes.

Blogger Capital6 January 26, 2020 3:23 PM  

John de Lancie played the role very well.

The main aspect to Q is that his status of an antagonist is up for debate. There is a whole theory that his actions (esp. with the Borg) were to humanity's benefit. You can find better explanations than I can provide out there.

All powerful beings do not make great villians by virtue of omnipotence alone.

Blogger maniacprovost January 26, 2020 3:37 PM  

"no money in the future" thing. If that is true, then why does Picard's family have a vineyard? And why are Romulans working on it?

You have to figure out how their society works, which is never explained, to understand why they work.

First of all, there is no hunger (or poverty). Humans are somewhat expansionist but not aggressively so. This means that there must be a centralized mechanism of population control. Perhaps it uses carrots rather than the stick, but it must be centralized or there would inevitably be a fast-breeding group of deplorables overwhelming the goodthinkers.

So, breeding is a scarce resource that can be used to motivate people.

Also, the people we see in Starfleet are the elites. They want to work, and they made their way through a meritocratic system. How do the proles live? If they weren't all genocides, though most apparently were,then they probably don't have the same quality of life as the Picards.

Blogger Pathfinderlight January 26, 2020 3:38 PM  

From TNG onwards, it's basically Canon that Star Fleet organization makes it very difficult on families of the officers and crew. Based on Beverly Crusher's love life, heterosexuality as we understand it today means having to say you're sorry to all the women you're not interested in.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 26, 2020 3:51 PM  

I don't understand how Kilngons can be both barbaric and possess a Space Empire.
They worked in The Original when it was guys with dark makeup and fake eyebrows.
The original Klingons were just normal imperialistic aliens.

Blogger Johnny January 26, 2020 4:15 PM  

The thing about the Klingons is that if you take a strong male figure without serious flaws and you also put him on more than a little, he will become the lead whether or not you want him to. So they have to have a serious flaw or they aren't put on much, or you make them the lead. Don't watch this stuff any more, I would be surprised if they rehabilitate Klingons.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 4:19 PM  

"I don't understand how Klingons can be both barbaric and possess a Space Empire."
It worked pretty well for Ghengis Khan.

Blogger tublecane January 26, 2020 4:50 PM  

@48- It didn't, really, because the ground he conquered was lost upon his death.

Anyway, we're not talking bows, arrows, and stirrups. Barbarians can work those. They cannot work magical cloaking devices, faster than light travel, and warships in space. That stuff requires advanced civilization.

Blogger Akulkis January 26, 2020 4:56 PM  

As wit hall of the other "reboots"... Hollywood doesn't even understand what reboot means -- which is, to bring a system back up the same way as it's been configured.

Only Hollywood thinks "rebooting" means making drastic changes to an already settled system.

Note to Hollywood:
If you think it's Important enough for you to "reboot" then it's also important enough for you to KEEP YOUR GREASY FINGER PRINTS OFF OF IT, and better yet, just leave it alone, and come up with your own idea.

Reboots, Remakes, Sequels and Comic Book Superhero movies ... the 4 main reasons why have only watched TWO first-run movies in the last 10 years. The only thing more cringe-inducing than a low-budget Hollywood superhero movie is a high budget Hollywood superhero movie.

Blogger Noah B. January 26, 2020 5:05 PM  

As absurd as the kumbaya liberalism of Star Trek was, I found it palpable as a child because the associations were voluntary. Somehow everyone in the Federation was content both politically and economically. The law of scarcity had been magically repealed. If the associations are no longer voluntary - that is, if those desiring insularity are not free to be nationalists - then the full ugliness of the situation is unmasked.

Picard can't ruin Star Trek because Star Trek Diversity already did that. Amazingly the recurring theme is: sassy black ensign knows better then her superiors, tries to convince them they're wrong, eventually ignores their orders and takes action on her own, her actions lead to disaster, and the insinuation is that everything would have worked out fine if only her superiors had listened to her sooner. It's offensive on a level that's difficult to fully communicate.

And they managed to ruin the scientific futurist aspect of the narrative while developing unsympathetic characters. Just a couple of choice examples, the starship is powered by inserting probes into giant water bears and it spins violently before it goes into warp.

Blogger Akulkis January 26, 2020 5:05 PM  

Star Trek never really made much sense. In the 70's, it was shown in reruns on a local independent Detroit UHF station (50) on Saturday afternoons, while the big 3 networks were showing either movies or ABC Wide World of Sports. WWoS usually jumped around too many events to keep my interest (unless there was a USAC or CART open-wheel race), and the movies tended to be snoozers. If it got to the point that my brother turned on Star Trek, that generally drove me to go outside and play, or if it was raining, go find a book. Going outside to play in blizzard was still better than watching Star Dreck. There were times in college when I felt like I was the only person who wasn't a fan.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 26, 2020 5:12 PM  

@ R. G. Camara

Gene Rodenberry was a devout atheist and Q was very much his stand in for God.

The need of the atheist to diminish God in their fiction is a long standing trope.

At least Roddenberry wasn't as detestable about it as Phillip Pullman.

Most of Picard's relationship with Q boiled down to, "see how much we don't need you?"

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 26, 2020 5:15 PM  

Johnny wrote: I would be surprised if they rehabilitate Klingons.

You clearly haven't watched Star Trek: Discovery.

And I envy you.

Blogger Calvin809 January 26, 2020 5:24 PM  

I will stick to the TV series of TNG. There were quite a few good episodes that had mystery, suspense, war and science ideas that I enjoyed. The ones with morality and philosophy as the main focus I didn't enjoy.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 26, 2020 5:28 PM  

Get woke, go broke is apparently the hot new business model.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 5:58 PM  

They might not have been able to independently develop their technology but that doesn't mean they couldn't learn to use it within a generation or two. There are plenty of historical examples of this.

Blogger Macs January 26, 2020 6:59 PM  

When they cancelled the final season pf ST:TNG (the most watched show on TV) just to save a few bucks on acting talent, the franchise never recovered. Sadly the legacy of that show comes off as dystopian, depressing, and impotent because the writers were building up the character arcs to a finale that never happened.

Blogger tublecane January 26, 2020 7:09 PM  

@57- No, there are zero historical examples.

We're not talking Vietcong using knock-off Chinese/Soviet guns here.

Even if Klingons had warp drive and such handed to them, they couldn't create, build, and maintain their own technology as they are shown doing if they were Mongols. Everything they use looks klingony. That means they need people to invent things, develop them, mass produce and maintain them, as well as utilize them in an organized manner. Plus they need centralized government and higher culture.

You don't do that without being civilized.

Blogger Quadko January 26, 2020 7:16 PM  

The Prime Directive - the excuse why affluent boomers didn't have to feel bad not helping Africa, et al.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 26, 2020 8:30 PM  

Star Trek was never "sci-fi", it's pure fantasy where everything is powered and paid for by magic, unless this week's plot required otherwise.

It also has bowtie appeal, at least in TOS: nearly every week, Kirk and his crew are kidnapped, abused, exploited and some are even killed, and what is the usual outcome at the end of the episode? A stern, pious lecture by Shatner, and sometimes even an invitation to the Federation! Principles, people, conserve space without them.

I always got a kick out the fact that places "where no man has gone before" are surprising monoclimatic, often monocultural, and invariably Earth-normal in gravity, atmosphere, and temperature. Apparently at least 90% of class M planets look exactly like Vasquez Rocks Park.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 26, 2020 8:37 PM  

I laughed out loud at the end.

Picard: I'm building a ragtag crew to break into a Borg cube.

Rick Sanchez: You sonavabitch, I'm in!

Blogger Azimus January 26, 2020 9:39 PM  

24. Trump AllyJanuary 26, 2020 11:09 AM
I was a very big fan of Seven of Nine. That is about it.

I was a fan of both of them, too.

Blogger Azimus January 26, 2020 9:44 PM  

35. R.G. CamaraJanuary 26, 2020 1:38 PM
The fact that Stewart said such a lie with a straight face, and his later career, showed me he's more a hammy actor than a deep one.

He just blended Captain Picard with Gurney Halleck

"Long live Duke Leto!!!!!" - Awesome scene

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 11:54 PM  

Yes but T'Pol was even better.

Blogger John Rockwell January 27, 2020 1:06 AM  

Star Trek the post-scarcity paradise. The utopian socialism come to life.

I wouldn't expect otherwise.

Blogger MNW January 27, 2020 10:00 PM  

And prior to the nova and the dominion war they had been in a cold war for centuries

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