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Tuesday, January 21, 2020

Cernovich smacks the gammas

Don't dither or debate. Just delete them without hesitation:
FYI asking “sources?” or other Reddit speak is an instant block.

I don’t post on that site of 115 IQ “secret kings.”

If you speaking like them, I’ll assume you’re one of them and reject you from our tribe.
Only gammas assume that a lack of citation is equivalent to an absence of sourcing. This is because they project their own tendency to simply invent "facts" out of thin air.

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49 Comments:

Blogger Sean January 21, 2020 2:41 AM  

The replies to that tweet also display an inability to critically think. Mike Cernovich is not saying that he will block genuine attempts at follow ups. Rather, he is saying that he is blocking gamma-tells, and asking for sources in such a manner is one such tell.

Blogger Ultrahardcore January 21, 2020 2:54 AM  

"But I thought you loved free speech!"

These people aren't even worth arguing with. Block and move on for sure.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 21, 2020 3:55 AM  

...not that they'd ever accept the validity of any source you cited.

Blogger Archella January 21, 2020 4:41 AM  

Cerno has been on fire lately. Like Kittle run blocking through the packers secondary.

Blogger Megamerc January 21, 2020 4:57 AM  

I don't deal with commenters but I do read the comments in some places and I can't tell you how amused I am when I see someone asking for sources. There is almost never any good reason to cite them for the requestor.

The best reason to cite a source is to make someone eat their own words in the most embarrassing way possible. And I think that only happens after they go on for a while--if they aren't banned first.

If you do not trust the writer as a source, then go away.

Blogger Unknown January 21, 2020 5:05 AM  

I once had a debate in a YouTube comments section with a leftist who demanded I provide a citation for an original thought. Nonplussed by this, I provided a citation for background history related to the idea. He persisted in pestering me for a citation for my original thought. I pursued the debate ruthlessly to show everyone reading that line of comments how asinine the guy's request was.

He ended up shifting the goal posts by claiming that we had been talking past each other.

Ordinarily, I'd just follow Vox's advice on nonengagement, but just once, I wanted to push the victory to crushing and not let him weasel out. For practice.

Blogger JC January 21, 2020 5:25 AM  

In a recent video by The Quartering, he described a male-feminist as a "gamma". The knowledge and language of the SSH is starting to seep into society. I've started using it publicly and even gone over it in conversation before.

Blogger Section 8A January 21, 2020 6:17 AM  

Someone recommended Reddit to me years ago and I never got around to visiting. Now I'm glad I never did.

Blogger ScottC January 21, 2020 7:04 AM  

How did these people learn anything before they encountered a "source"? How would they know the source is valid? There must be some pre-source knowledge to evaluate the validity of a "source".

Blogger RobertDWood January 21, 2020 7:10 AM  

Nice bait from Mike to further thin the herd:

"If you speaking like them, I’ll assume you’re "

Any secret king butt hurt over the Reddit rebuke will be looking for the next best 'gotcha' to latch onto and Mike gave a handy one for self identification.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 21, 2020 7:12 AM  

Reddit is cancer. Their voting system is mob rule and they moderate out any discussion that opposes the MSM narrative while allowing gammas to flourish.

Blogger Doctor Mayhem January 21, 2020 7:16 AM  

I love to tell them that I am simply respecting their free speech as much as they respect mine.

Blogger Doctor Mayhem January 21, 2020 7:17 AM  

Disqualify. I remember some meme from TRS that was like "Oh, but where's your sources from this biased institution that my side happens to have monopoly over?" Or something like that.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 21, 2020 7:25 AM  

How can that language not seep into the wider society? Since all the conservative posturing did nothing in stopping the West's decline into a society that has to publicly play the Social Game or be cast into the darkness, SSH is it.

Butt kissing time and I absolutely hate doing so, Vox wrote the other day that he does not consider himself a genius, well ok whatever, but SSH is a key insight and if developed it will be seen as genius in a future revitalized West.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 21, 2020 7:26 AM  

Instead of begging to be spoonfed, why don't they dig into it a bit by themselves? It's extremely rude to ask someone to take the time and effort to academically reference every source they use for pretty fucking obvious statements.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 21, 2020 7:26 AM  

@2. We tell them we don't care about free speech and that we want Christian blasphemy laws.

Blogger VD January 21, 2020 7:30 AM  

we want Christian blasphemy laws.

More to the point, we want ENFORCEMENT of the EXISTING Christian blasphemy laws. It is our culture, our society, and our legal system. Not theirs.

Blogger peacefulposter January 21, 2020 7:39 AM  

Cerno has been a strong supporter of the God Emperor lately. He was especially impressive during the Iran situation. Interesting considering his wife is Persian.

In any event, it's great to see Cerno back for 2020.

Blogger Manuel January 21, 2020 8:38 AM  

Also, GOOGLE IT YOURSELF KING!

Blogger jkmack January 21, 2020 8:38 AM  

Tangentially associated, of all the subscription services I have ever used in 5 decades of time on this plane, only one has alerted me in advance, automatically, each time, that I am about to be charged again for the subscription. Only one. What the Gammas call a scam, UATV.

Little things like that are great tells as to who is worthy of doing business with and listening to, and who are pathetic, conniving, ankle biting oxygen thieves.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 21, 2020 8:51 AM  

The more I know the more I see it.
Workplaces, competitions, multiplayer video games... It all makes sense.
Gamma behavior threatens civilization.
Why and how though?
It must be part of the pattern where the spirit died. How did a smoke after dinner or sex become chain smoking? How did a pastry or occasional candy or desert become the means of so many eating themselves to death and this roiling sea of obesity? How did enjoyment of spirits become power drinking and addiction? How did entertainment become binge watching and urban bugmen sobbing over movie trailers?
How did what was probably jealousy or lack of confidence in youth become this weaponized reckless hate?

Blogger Beardy Bear January 21, 2020 9:31 AM  

The most frustrating part of this, is now those of us who want to study primary source material don't often request it. Gammas ruin everything, especially the internet.

Blogger nyan January 21, 2020 9:43 AM  

There was a period ('07-'09 or so) where Reddit was actually decent. Obama and his consequences have been a disaster for the Reddit race, however. Reddit was where I learned about SJWs and I spent the early part of last decade sniping at them there to explore their weaknesses. If you were ahead of the SJW curve like Vox and I, there were sure lessons to be learned there!

Blogger Newscaper312 January 21, 2020 10:24 AM  

@14 MantraMan

SSH is much more useful than the simplistic animal-inspired alpha-beta model where beta = loser. Human beings are not gorillas (PUA view). Nor are they bonobos, pygmy chimps with their sexual free-for-all (liberal man is just another animal view).
This is where knowing what the real biologists studying human beings are finding out is helpful-- and yes they are using the evolution paradigm. What is fascinating is that what they are putting together dovetails quite well with traditional, even Christian views of human nature. What keeps human beings from following the model of gorilla alpha getting all the females, is simply the combination of long gestation, long fairly helpless period for offspring both of which handicap the mother to an extent, hence dependence on having her own mate for paternal support, IOW fatherhood. The 'native' pattern for humans, seen in all primitive societies really is *monogamy*, yes with a bit of cheating alpha bux, beta fux style. This pattern is actually seen more in birds than mammals. Human polygamy only becomes possible with a certain level of wealth and social inequality.
Another offshoot of the monogamous default is that it promotes better cooperation between the males as it reduces intra-tribe violence and gives all a stake in the tribe.

Blogger Barbarossa January 21, 2020 10:42 AM  

It seems this wholly nonsensical demand for sources is also a symptom of that dread malady Credentialitis. With the wholesale capture of academia and the media, what better way to sideline any opposition from the get-go than with a sneering "What peer-reviewed academic journal did that appear in?" The demand of "Ihre Quellen, bitte" also buttresses that individual's own authority and control as any response short of "Buzz off, Gamma!" allows him/her/xe/xhrbez to dictate the course of the conversation.

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2020 10:46 AM  

@22

"The most frustrating part of this, is now those of us who want to study primary source material don't often request it."

There's a difference between obtuse demands for a source when a waterfall of sources which can easily be found with just 2 or 3 words submitted to a search engine, and asking, "Wow, you just taught me something. Where can I find out more about this? Do you know whose books I should read on this?"

The first is deliberately and needlessly confrontational and, as programmers say, "stupid AND wrong"* because all it does is reveal the person demanding "sources" to be an idiot, because it's an obvious attempt to belittle someone everyone knows is telling the truth, including the person demanding sources.

In contrast, the 2nd form is acknowledging the truth of what someone said, and is asking for guidance for further education in the subject.

* as opposed to "stupid but right" (but it's slow or hard to modify, but works), or "clever but wrong."(violates many design/safety principles, even if it does work.)

Blogger Dire Badger January 21, 2020 11:03 AM  

"sources?" is not a request for citations.

It is a polite way of saying "You are a fucking Liar"

Blogger Dire Badger January 21, 2020 11:05 AM  

It's also a way of trolling a liar to see just how far they will go to double down on their lies.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 21, 2020 11:15 AM  

@14 @24
Another bit re monogamy as default, and the way we tend to talk about hypergamy... yes, there is tension, but the two are not contradictory.
How?
Yes, all the women naturally have their sights set as high as possible, but note that they always want to have the top guy *exclusively*, for his resources the way they are wired. Even the apparent exceptions are consistent: Where the guy is rich enough to support more than one wife they still want a monopoly. And even where there is polygamy, it is well known that the women constantly scheme and jockey for favor.

And the simplistic claim men just want o spread their seed far and wide, and monogamy is just somehow an artificial imposition is bunk. If men weren't wired to invest in their own children, and have some assurance they are in fact his, you would not see so many terrible dramas with a murder-suicide when a divorce court robs the man of his kids.

Blogger Sillon January 21, 2020 11:38 AM  

And even where there is polygamy, it is well known that the women constantly scheme and jockey for favor.

Women love, "crave" attention. Knowing how to properly pay attention to a woman is a fine art that is sadly lost to the newer generations.

Blogger Balam January 21, 2020 12:02 PM  

Newscaper312 wrote:And the simplistic claim men just want o spread their seed far and wide, and monogamy is just somehow an artificial imposition is bunk. If men weren't wired to invest in their own children, and have some assurance they are in fact his, you would not see so many terrible dramas with a murder-suicide when a divorce court robs the man of his kids.

Monogamy and parental assurance are not the same thing. You can have a harem and kill any welp that doesn't look like you. Besides that I am doubtful that monogamy is 'hardwired' for men outside of Christendom. For two examples: First how would you explain the that supposedly 17 women reproduced for every 1 man 8000 years ago? Secondly, again outside Christendom, the amount of cultures and major societies where it is acceptable to go whoring around after a good business deal is approximately all of them.

I agree that the SSH is much more useful than alpha/beta and especially moreso than the belief in equalism. However, only fools have ever said that hypergamy is a straitjacket. It's a solid generalization built, as far as I have read, outside-in through observing people and that's why it's useful. It wasn't built inside-out through evo psyche and gestation period post-rationalizations.

Blogger Jon D. January 21, 2020 12:22 PM  

Other tells of the gamma concern troll:

"Citation required."
"So you're saying..."
"Are you suggesting..."

Blogger Akuma January 21, 2020 12:51 PM  

@Doktor Jeep

How did perfectly normal and healthy responses to stress or abuse become Mental Illnesses?

Blogger Jeroth January 21, 2020 1:26 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:"sources?" is not a request for citations.

It is a polite way of saying "You are a fucking Liar"


It's a smarmy, passive aggressive appeal to authority. If you bother to provide a source, they will instantly disqualify it if it doesn't agree with the list of authorized sources they've already determined to be infallible. Logic is completely foreign to these people. The decrees of their secular priesthood are all that matter.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 21, 2020 1:36 PM  

@31 Noted. But they still want their own wife -- and accept the notion that they only get one. And that one man-one wife based family is what the society recognizes and supports. And I did say monogamy with a bit of cheating, not perfection. Even the polygamous examples reflect the same underlying preferences. One reason the Inca empire folded so easily before the Spanish was that their system had a huge imbalance w nobles hoarding women, and far, far too may men with none. When things got rough, they had no dog in the fight.

Blogger Tom d January 21, 2020 2:13 PM  

In early online comment discussions, I came across this frequently. I recall another commentator labeling these demanding, punitive requests as "sourceism" - which used to have an urban dictionary type website with the explanation as: the needless request for readily available information with the sole purpose of distracting from the conversation or futile attempt to discredit an idea due to a lack of a citation. The other gamma tactic used excessively, is asking open ended questions in the place of declarative statements (e.g. Why do you deny? How can you be believe?). It is the ultimate form of ankle biting, in that the gamma is not held accountable for the statement, yet gets to smear the accused with an open ended, leading, vague allegation - (hoping the uniformed reader fills in the blanks), while claiming victory when the accused doesn't answer the question.

Blogger Rek. January 21, 2020 2:29 PM  

Do gammas commit suicide? My feeling is that they are underrepresented. Deltas would be most at risk with omegas, followed by alpha, bravo and sigma, in that order. Gammas are protected by their bubble. They grow out of the delusion, they dont burst out of it which would be a traumatic event followed by deep despair. Lets not even talk about lambdas.

Blogger James Lovebirch January 21, 2020 2:48 PM  

Do you guys think something has to change in the legal system, or can normal people like us simply start suing or charging people with blasphemy violations since the laws are still on the books?

Blogger tublecane January 21, 2020 5:54 PM  

To be fair, 115 ain't that bad. It's not like everyone else is hanging out at the Algonquin. What could possibly be the average Twitter I.Q.? There are a LOT of stupid people there

And I don't mean Salt of the Earth people who work with their hands and avoid the pitfalls of midwittery. I mean people who would starve to death without microwaves and McDonald's.

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2020 6:55 PM  

How do you propose that normal people without a badge to write citations, not a district attorney to file misdemeanor charges, and not on a grand jury to indict for felonies to drag people into criminal court for blasphemy?

As for suing over blasphemy -- you can file a lawsuit for anything you want -- but you're going to have a difficult time proving standing or demonstrating any sort of harm which can be remedied by a court decision.

When it comes to things for which a court can find no remedy, it's hard to get a judge to not throw out the court on the face of it, if only for fear of being overturned by an appeals court -- even if they agree with you and your plight.

Or, to keep it out of the appeals court, the judge might decide to award you one dollar. If you're in a state where loser is NOT responsible for the winner's expenses involving the court system (lawyers, filing fee), then you've paid your filing fee, and any legal counsel, and the blasphemer contributes one dollar to your cause.

This is what's known as a Pyrrhic victory. Win too many of such cases, and you'll be broke.

So, what needs to change is the culture. Once the culture is changed, then the legal community will start enforcing the law.

Blogger RedJack January 21, 2020 8:24 PM  

Sometimes, sources are helpful. Someone mentioned Tartarnia and mud floods here the other day, and they were helpful in sending me to site.

I love a good tinfoil rabbit hole.

But if the game is to disqualify, it is different. On a FB site, the topic of measles vaccine effectiveness came up. Here in Iowa about 8 years ago there was a small outbreak among vaccinated kids from an unknown source. I know the families. I had the flier. My kid was in dance with two of the little girls.
The thread poster demanded I give him complete citations from the county health board. Then he didn't believe it. Then I was hit with a FB ban.

Interesting to say the least.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 21, 2020 8:24 PM  

The same Quartering who got beat on by a man in a sundress and didn't leave the dude in a crumpled broken bone mess afterward
I know of LOTS of Dissident Right type guys that like Jeremy. Guys that fight with other DR guys about purity and crap,that like him.
That said,I'm a woman & his f*ggy tabletop board game playing, action figure collecting,namby pambyness makes me sick.
In my mind,Jeremy calling someone a gamma is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Blogger LAZ January 21, 2020 9:02 PM  

" Like Kittle run blocking through the packers secondary."

LMAO! I'm going to use that one. There's an amazing amount of GB fans here in DFW.

Blogger tublecane January 21, 2020 11:46 PM  

@41- Well, yeah. I have found plenty of good sites by clicking on links in comment sections of other sites. But usually when people say "citation please" they are just being lazy and not using Google or whatever.

Blogger Dole January 22, 2020 9:28 AM  

Cerno sounds like he is on the right track, respect!

Less and less patient of these Gammas. Is this for sure a category in the hierarchy and not a personality disorder?

Blogger OvergrownHobbit January 22, 2020 12:43 PM  

He was especially impressive during the Iran situation. Interesting considering his wife is Persian.

What used to be called multi-culturalism and is now diversity, is a dog-whistle for gamma/women who want a delightful colour palette in the movie of their lives. What the cast/extras, i.e. actual people possessing these shades want to be doing with their lives is either irrelevant to er, or Just Wrong. Actual racism from this set would e a step up.

In other words, Mr. C. could've been all in on the Suleiman hit because his wife is Persian.

Blogger Unknown January 22, 2020 3:22 PM  

I once commented on john olivers last week tonight segment on the green new deal, encouraging my fellow commenters to read the gnd document and ask themselves what 4 blatantly watermelon policies, which I briefly paraphrased from the gnd itself, had to do with environmentalism.

The first reply asked for sources.

Blogger mrpinks January 23, 2020 3:41 AM  

I like sources. I am currently reading The Privileged Sex by Martin van Creveld. VD mentioned it in a stream, so in reading from this valuable resource I can see where the Author got his data from, as well as an understanding of VDs viewpoint. Van Creveld is a great author who researches his subject matter in great depth, and his books are stepping off points to even more reading.
But gammas, yeah, they discredit and dispute any source you give them.

Blogger diesel bear January 23, 2020 6:48 AM  

Gamma's have no interest in actual sources or actual facts. what they've heard and believe is the truth and any source that doesn't confirm their beliefs is an attack on them as a person.

i know the social sexual hierarchy only applies to men, but i see a lot of the gamma traits in sjw women. leaving me with questions. not all gammas are sjw's but are all sjw's gammas? once someone starts seeing the world through the sjw mindset does it gradually shift men into gamma paterns of behavior? or are gammas just more drawn to that ideology just natrually attract gammas?

i know there is a link to gamma behavior and lack of testosterone. (i have my own theory that porn is artificially creating gamma males. not sure if that theory has any interest to anyone.) where is the link between sjw behavior and gamma males.

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