Saturday, January 04, 2020

Did the Churchians win?

The Churchian Methodists are offering Christians $25 million to leave the denomination:
Factions in the United Methodist Church (UMC) have reached an initial settlement around its intractable division over LGBT marriage and ordination—offering $25 million to a group of conservative congregations who want to break away and form a new denomination.

Various groups were slated to once again propose different plans for a split at the UMC’s general conference in May, but under the new agreement, they will abandon the proposals and put their full support behind the Protocol of Reconciliation & Grace Through Separation, which was announced Friday.... The protocol will still need to be approved by the UMC’s legislative body, but has unanimous support from a diverse 16-member mediation team, including representatives from “UMCNext; Mainstream UMC; Uniting Methodists; The Confessing Movement; Good News; The Institute on Religion & Democracy; the Wesleyan Covenant Association; Affirmation; Methodist Federation for Social Action; Reconciling Ministries Network; and the United Methodist Queer Clergy Caucus; as well as bishops from the United States and across the world.”

“This is very likely to bring to an end this dysfunction that we have suffered through for the past 47 years,” said Rob Renfroe, president and publisher of Good News and pastor of adult discipleship at The Woodlands UMC outside of Houston. “We were never going to find a way to move forward together. Our ultimate goal of setting each other free to do ministry as we believe God would have us do has come to fruition.”

The 12.5-million-member UMC has been in a standoff over LGBT issues for decades, culminating in a vote in favor of its traditional position against same-sex marriage and gay clergy during a special session last year. As a result, some left the UMC, some continued to defy the UMC positions outright, and some challenged the legality of the vote in the denomination’s court—ultimately putting the question of how to move forward before the delegation once again in 2020.

The result of months of negotiation, the new protocol creates a quick, “clean break” for a new, traditionalist denomination that has yet to be created but will receive a $25 million sum at its inception.
It was looking good after the vote this spring, and yet it seems that the Fake Christians always seem to end up with the leadership positions and the property. This is the price of failing to heed the Biblical warning about wolves in sheeps' clothing.

That being said, it's not over yet. And at the end of the day, all we need is twelve.

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Blogger Argus Bacchus January 04, 2020 2:31 PM  

Thus the wheat and the chaff were separated.

"Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgement, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous."

Psalm 1:5


Blogger Tallen January 04, 2020 2:32 PM  

$25 million comes out to 30 pieces of silver for each of you, won't you take it?

Blogger Wazdakka January 04, 2020 2:40 PM  

I find the politics of modern churches quite hard to follow, actually I am still trying to understand the Nicene creed, the split between Orthodox and Catholic churches, and Martin Luther's stand.
Although I think that today's unrest veers away from Christ a little bit too far.

Blogger Argus Bacchus January 04, 2020 2:47 PM  

"...a new, traditionalist denomination that has yet to be created..."

Ahh, the stupidity and contradiction. It hurts.

"Nah, I think the homos are the ones who need to take the hike."

John Wesley
January 4th, 2020.

Blogger Daniel January 04, 2020 2:53 PM  

No, this sounds like the SJWs lost and planted a news story. The entire article smells like Fake News.

Blogger Clay January 04, 2020 2:55 PM  

Maybe they should send Nate a voucher for Golden Corral.

Blogger cyrus83 January 04, 2020 2:56 PM  

At least in this proposal it seems that the churches that shake the dust off their feet and leave the UMC would keep their property and assets, though the devil always seems to be in the details on such matters.

The dysfunction isn't going away, UMC will continue unraveling all the faster without the traditionalists to slow them down, while the converged clergy will work on subverting the new more traditionalist offshoot.

Blogger Calvin809 January 04, 2020 3:05 PM  

I would tell the people who lost the vote to leave if they don't like it. Why would you leave with 25 million and no property if your position won?

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz January 04, 2020 3:10 PM  

to quote the SDL:
"Create your own platform!"

Blogger The Course of Empire January 04, 2020 3:18 PM  

Take the money, build a better denomination, and watch the ongoing decline of these fakes. It's happened in the past .Just look at all the mainline denominations who are going through their death-throes now. It's not about the quantity (i.e., the large numbers of people attending), it's about the quality. It always has been.

Blogger Nathan Hornok January 04, 2020 3:20 PM  

I say break away and let the (spiritually) dead bury the dead. After the great schism there is no unified Christian Church (at least from a human governance standpoint), so what is the point of trying to keep all it's little branches from continuing to branch? Especially when one of the branches is infected and decaying. The healthy branches should by all means break away from the rot.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 04, 2020 3:22 PM  

"As CT previously reported, US Methodists tend to be more conservative than their clergy"

Apparently they haven't been doing their due diligence for quite some time. What have they been doing while things like "the United Methodist Queer Clergy Caucus" are growing in their midst like a tumor?

Blogger allyn71 January 04, 2020 3:26 PM  

This is a desperate ploy by the liberals attempting to steal the name UMC before they get kicked out. The general conference has already decided this, the churchians have no leg to stand on here. This is just lying commie bullshit.

Blogger Johnny January 04, 2020 3:36 PM  

If I could give the breakaway group some advice, unless that council has the right to dictate the distribution of assets, forget about the dumb-ass council, If it hasn't been done, get some decent legal help, internal or hired, and determine who owns what. Then you can start thinking about and discussing who gets what if the breakup happens. Unless God wants you to be a sap, you don't have to go along to get along. You represent your own interests. You do not turn it over to somebody else. "Too much heaven on their minds," is a common problem in church groups.

Blogger Out of Nod January 04, 2020 3:42 PM  

@Wazdakka If you're interested, check out Ryan Reeves on YouTube. He has a couple series on Ancient Church history that I found to be a great spring board on the topics you mentioned.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2020 3:43 PM  

dont believe this crap. read the agreement. nothing in it suggests it's the right wing that is leaving. though there are hardcore right wingers that do want to. we have a super majority and can do anything we want. we don't have to leave. I see no reason why we shoul . why would a majority split away and leave the organization to a small minority? no. this is media spin from the left trying to discourage the right.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 04, 2020 3:49 PM  

I was raised in churches that equated Spiritual Growth with new members ( a status that was never much of a commitment). Now I know better, that spiritual growth is an inward deepening of each member, and those are usually the few who are holding the rest of the perpetual soft-food eaters by a thread from careening into utter destruction. This split is the best outcome for the traditionalists granted they accurately identify and address just what went wrong with the goats.

Blogger Arthur Isaac January 04, 2020 3:54 PM  

The problem is the wheat fields are always resown with tares.

Blogger Beau January 04, 2020 4:00 PM  

no. this is media spin from the left trying to discourage the right.

Why not reverse the curse? Offer the apostates $25M to go away, see how far that goes.

Blogger Kevin January 04, 2020 4:03 PM  

I believe Pope Benedict was right when he said that the church will return to that of a mustard seed.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 04, 2020 4:17 PM  

Interesting how gay marriage and ordination, or not, are seen as a package deal. I suppose that's correct, as if you allowed one as some sort of misguided compromise, the demand for the other is sure to follow shortly, and you have already thrown out the main principle.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 04, 2020 4:18 PM  

I read an article from the Uniting Church (Methodist and Presbyterian) which argued the Christmas story wasn't at all real. Fake Christians.

Blogger CM January 04, 2020 4:27 PM  

I'm so heartened to hear the Christians are a majority!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 04, 2020 4:28 PM  

@4, so, Nate, what's the real story? Who's getting $25M for what?

Blogger ZhukovG January 04, 2020 4:48 PM  

@Nate: I was looking forward to hearing your take on this. It didn't sound right.

Blogger Dr. J January 04, 2020 5:14 PM  

this is media spin from the left trying to discourage the right.

Glad to hear it - will be praying for these fellow Christians to vanquish the Churchians amongst them.

Blogger Trump Ally January 04, 2020 5:14 PM  

The UMC has been converged for so long. I used to be a member but renounced that membership 20 years ago. Tbere are real churches out there that aren't perverted relics of failed doctrine.

Bible believing Methodists should be wedded to the Lord not sticking with a failed club.

Kick out the perverts now or pack up and find a real church.

Blogger Careless Whisper January 04, 2020 5:14 PM  

I've heard Methodists on other sites say this too... The minority is magnanimously offering the majority a payout to go bugger off. It's absurd, but it's the kind of gambit these wormtoungues are always using.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 04, 2020 5:33 PM  

I shouldn't have to say this, again, but:
No denominational sniping.
If your comment is "XXX people are not really Christian" it will not see the light of day anyway.

Blogger DavidFromOhio January 04, 2020 5:33 PM  

Mathew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them. Better to my those that follow the Bible and hold service in a garage. Then a million dollar church with those that have been lead astray

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 04, 2020 5:35 PM  

If you want the straight skinny on this, Nate is your man.

Blogger Rek. January 04, 2020 5:54 PM  

Could someone tell me how some "christians" are ok with gay marriages or gay clergy? How do they justify it? Biblically or otherwise? Whats the irrefutable argument that they usually offer to silence the opposition? "God is Love and non judging"? Something along those lines?

Blogger Fargoth January 04, 2020 5:54 PM  

Onward catabolism

Blogger Jed Mask January 04, 2020 6:00 PM  

May the separation of the Lord's sheep and the Devil's goats take place in this. Amen!

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger jkmack January 04, 2020 6:14 PM  

"It was looking good after the vote this spring, and yet it seems that the Fake Christians always seem to end up with the leadership positions and the property."

Of course they always "win" the leadership and property. That is what they covet. What good is all the riches of earth if you lose your soul?

I am not attacking or arguing or preaching, I am mainly talking to myself as I have wasted far too much of my life trying to get more so i can do more good "for God". God has it handled, he has his empire, he is just wanting you to enter it, it is not what we keep trying to make it out to be.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 04, 2020 6:30 PM  

Can Christianity survive without any organized church? Why does there have to be these corporations ...uh.... denominations, with money and buildings and all that? I was told all we need is the word of God and family.

Blogger Calvin809 January 04, 2020 6:34 PM  

It depends on what kind of liberal Christian you are talking to. If it's your typical Pew warmer then the God is love thing would be common. If you are taking to your typical hippie, lesbian, butch, feminist liberal "pastor" the Bible is mostly trash from the unenlightened ancients and we know better now. Or if you are taking to the people trying to subvert the real church they would say the Bible is true but it doesn't condemn loving gay relationships and God said it's not good for man to be alone. They try to use historical and linguistic arguments to get around it.

Blogger Wazdakka January 04, 2020 6:40 PM  

Thank you. I will look into his channel.

Blogger Tallen January 04, 2020 7:16 PM  

No denominational sniping.

Does that include Calvinists?

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira January 04, 2020 7:23 PM  

They are welcome to join us for Inquisition 2.0.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 04, 2020 7:30 PM  

Tallen wrote:Does that include Calvinists?
Is it boring?
Does no one besides you and the people you're insulting care what you think?
Are you angling to get banned? There are faster ways.

I've got my eye on you.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 04, 2020 7:36 PM  

These denomination fights are hard. I do not see why the orthodox United Methodists would leave since they won the vote by a good margin. Also, from what I understand, United Methodist congregations all own their churches, which means they can go where they please with the land, which is nice. It is much less hostile than the Episcopal Church break 10 years ago.

I go to an Anglican Church, who are conservative and left The mainline. They had to buy their way out to keep the church. It sounds horrible, but some denominations have some evil leadership who were allowed to get away with all kinds of secret plays.

Christians need to get better at calling out the power politics in their leadership.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 04, 2020 7:37 PM  

"Why not reverse the curse? Offer the apostates $25M to go away, see how far that goes."

I have a feeling the other side might just take the 25m, considering they were certainly planning on using Church assets to fund it if it were taken, when the property lines are finally redrawn I wouldn't be surprised to find the antichristians sitting on a whole lot less than even that.

Why not kick them out the door with nothing but the clothes on their backs, and if those were paid for by Church funds, perhaps not even those? That is, if they're in as strong of a position as they appear to be judging by the torrents of simpering wormtonguery coming from the deviants.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 04, 2020 7:46 PM  

Anyone who complains about churches going down the drain, I recommend something; join a church and help it exist. You in the seat and participating is even more important than money. Be there, take part, whatever denomination you are, as long as it is Biblical orthodoxy.

It is tiring seeing traditionalists complain , without taking action. Stop typing, go to church. Save the institutions and then we have a fighting chance for what is to come.

Churches seem bad? Make them better.
Schools suck? Either become a teacher or make your own.
There is no community? Move to one, or start one.

God does seem to help those who take action oriented towards truth.

In the last year I am living out what I say. I joined a church, I go every Sunday, I have my family going with me, I help out where I can. The more people do this, the better.

Blogger CM January 04, 2020 8:02 PM  

Letting the pozzed abscond with your name and inheritance is an Esau move. It harms the pew warmers who think they are being taught truth, but getting lies. Letting wolves make off with your sheep is not a great idea. Jesus said to leave towns of unbelievers who refused the word to walk out and shake the dust from your feet. Paul tells us to remove the wolves from our midst.

I highly support remnants remaining in church denominations who have the necessary prerequisites to reform their churches (men). I know there are clutches of them in the Episcopal church that are figuring things out.

Blogger mike January 04, 2020 8:03 PM  

Seems like they won bc its the natural ones that must leave, the perverts will stay. Should be the opposite.

Blogger CM January 04, 2020 8:03 PM  

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Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) January 04, 2020 8:18 PM  

8. Calvin809 January 04, 2020 3:05 PM
I would tell the people who lost the vote to leave if they don't like it.


that's the stupid shit that got the UMC into this mess.

you tell the people who lost the vote that THEY ARE LEAVING WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.

because, otherwise, these Satanics will just keep coming back next year or the year after or the decade after that, forcing you to vote whether or not you stand with God.

and frankly, how fricking silly do you have to be? to permit people who are openly advocating homosexuality to be ordained or hold any authority in your CHURCH?

Blogger Honkler the Emotional Wreck January 04, 2020 8:24 PM  

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Blogger OvergrownHobbit January 04, 2020 8:53 PM  

I will keep praying for you, Nate, and the leadership of your church.

For those, like me, who are very absent-minded, setting aside a regular day to pray for the men fighting for gospel truth is helpful.If you use the Lord's Prayer as a template it goes in after "Thy kingdom come."

Deo volente.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 04, 2020 9:02 PM  

These people are evil. They attach themselves to churches because they want people to go to hell. They'll do whatever they can to stay in and take over SJW-style. Being expelled is not what they want.

We Catholics are having to build our own institutions because the mainstream church was converged by these same sonsabitches who took it over from the inside.

Blogger John Rockwell January 04, 2020 9:02 PM  

Like locusts they seek out traditional communities to devour. Not even the SSPX and EO is immune.

Blogger Wario's Mart January 04, 2020 9:02 PM  

The Catholic Church could easily assert a nationalist theological doctrine. Then they could fund it extra governmentally. In the current mood large sub segments of western populations would be amenable to the teachings. The population dynamics could be reversed in 2 generations.

That's extremely powerful. That's why all organised institutions are inducted covertly or overtly into the Masonic Promethean Jewish secret societies.

Institutional infrastructure is very important for material and political reasons.

Also spiritual reasons. Christians have to stand in the ancient Basilicae of St Paul's Outside the Walls and St John's Laterans to understand the immense gravity of their responsibilities.

You understand western civilization when you stand in St Paul's under Greek Collonnade, with ivory doors of the Roman Empire and Jesus Christ and the apostles and saints above all.

The weight of the authority and beauty holds people in sordid relief. So they seek to destroy it.

Blogger John Rockwell January 04, 2020 9:05 PM  

Excommunication for damnable heresy.

Blogger Trout Whisperer January 04, 2020 9:08 PM  

Jesus made the sacred place/men/text model obsolete. Perhaps it is best for true followers of Jesus to leave all that to the "churchians," and instead focus on living as Jesus' ecclesia and being Jesus to those around us.

Blogger Kiwi January 04, 2020 9:40 PM  

If I started going to some of the Churches around here, I can see how they would want to pay me to GTFO. I'm hoping something similar has happened in this case.

Blogger JovianStorm January 04, 2020 9:57 PM  

The Church itself is irrelevant if Jesus isn't at the head of it.

Let the UMC die on the vine Trees that do not bear fruit will be hewn down and cast into the fire.

Blogger Didas Kalos January 04, 2020 10:03 PM  

@furor Kek The only way! And then repent for having let this cancer exist more than an hour.

Jeremiah 6:16
Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Blogger Andrew F January 04, 2020 10:38 PM  

I get the reference, but 30 pieces of silver each would be a much better deal than the $25M being offered. If the real Methodists make up half of the 12.5M United Methodist Church, that comes out to $4 a person.

Blogger Akulkis January 04, 2020 10:39 PM  


"This split is the best outcome for the traditionalists granted they accurately identify and address just what went wrong with the goats."


The best outcome is that the perverts and pervert-defenders leave, and leave with nothing.

The "offer" is an attempt to steal the organization from the truly faithful.

The perverts are just pissed that they can't, with the help of some bankster fiends, obtain the organization's name, operating locations, and history through a leveraged buyout on the stock market while kicking the faithful to the curb ($25M not withstanding).

Blogger MagnusStout January 04, 2020 10:48 PM  

Soon, these same Churchians will tell us how important it is to take a certain mark on your forehead or arm...

Convergence is real. The SBC not too far behind now. I’m waiting for the Universalists to just sue the UMC for stealing their identity (j/k). The end game is an ecumenical movement towards a world religion: Https://

Blogger Akulkis January 04, 2020 10:52 PM  

"We Catholics are having to build our own institutions because the mainstream church was converged by these same sonsabitches who took it over from the inside."

Paradoxically, that might be the best thing that ever happens to the average Catholic. It will be a great opportunity to remove themselves from so many "traditions of men" which have polluted their church over the centuries.

Blogger Jose Miguel January 04, 2020 11:02 PM  


Very true, and driving them out the locusts can be quite fun. I love sending SJW types into conniptions when they try to embed themselves into the EO congregation I am a part of. Nothing like the priests asking what you did and if you can do it again in the future but with more tact.

Blogger CM January 05, 2020 12:12 AM  

Anyone who complains about churches going down the drain, I recommend something; join a church and help it exist. You in the seat and participating is even more important than money. Be there, take part, whatever denomination you are, as long as it is Biblical orthodoxy.

I'm sure a few of us have figured out a way to do both.

I have limits on what I can do (Biblically). I became a member of a church with good foundations and am teaching some kids music with the purpose of teaching them their hymns.

Blogger Gulo Gulo January 05, 2020 12:23 AM  

“These people are evil. They attach themselves to churches because they want people to go to hell”

Its because their father is the devil. When Christ died and rose again, Satan knew he had lost. The words Christ uttered on the cross -“ It is finished “- had deep, profound spiritual meaning. So the short time Satan has left he’s determined to cause as much destruction as he can and drag as many with him to hell as possible

Blogger Azimus January 05, 2020 12:46 AM  

The biggest mistake the Confederacy made in the civil war was ceding the Union flag to the North. I understand, practicalities of battle and so forth, but it set the tone that the South was the rebellious union-breaker and the North was trying to preserve the Federal Union of states. It was the #1 rally cry in the northern states "to preserve the union." Now it just so happens that both sides were trying to preserve part of the Federal Union, but by outward appearances it didn't look it. I won't take 1,000 words to say that this simply IMHO, but it was a moral-high-ground mistake.

The same thing here. They want you to form a "Methodist Confederacy" to be the rebellious fanatics - when in fact you are not. I hope you don't go for it. Make them design a new flag - you are the heirs of Wesley.


Blogger Andy'scurious January 05, 2020 3:12 AM  

I've read the science argument in quite a few denominations from the Roman's and Orthodoxy ,Lutherans couple of others.
All about neuroscience and the brains development.

Blogger Monotonous Languor January 05, 2020 3:19 AM  

Orthodox Methodists need to kick out the leftist snake that has slithered amongst them, not vice-versa. It's a chance to define and declare the heresy that has infested them and all other denominations.

This heresy treats Christ as a lackey of the Almighty State worshiping the Great Goddess of Equality. It's a cult of feelings and niceness that ignores true discernment. It reacts like a 16-year-old high school girl to superficial personality traits. It pours saccharine love over evil, like syrup over poison in order to be "welcoming", "diverse", "multicultural", "non-judgmental". Objective good and evil are meaningless, every sexual perversion is accepted, God's Love never includes Judgment, the sinner is never responsible for her sin, and everybody gets into some feelzgood version of heaven. This heresy is an effeminate, emasculated caricature of Christianity. It must be exorcised from top to bottom before the Truth of the Logos can ever again be witnessed.

It's vitally important that this heresy be properly recognized and called out as such. After all, it's been hundreds of years since the French Revolution, leading to Marx and a long list of egalitarians. In 1907 the Catholic Church formally condemned 'Modernism', but that was too broad a category for most people to ever be able to reify and understand its evil consequences. So now in addition to defining it, this heresy must be given a distinctive name, e.g., Sentimentalism, with its subsets of feminism, emotionalism and egalitarianism. If you can't even name the enemy, then you'll have a hard time identifying her and fighting back. When it's defined and named, then other Christian denominations will see the light, will gain strength and do the same.

Blogger Miguel January 05, 2020 3:50 AM  

So, the losers of the vote want to pay the conservatives to leave. What a group of evil people.

No, you leave since you lost

Blogger Storm Rhode January 05, 2020 6:54 AM  

It's a good sign that the majority stood their ground against the deviants. However this goes down is better than continued tolerance of evil behaviors.

Blogger LeeWillyMinifees January 05, 2020 7:08 AM  

25? I'd think the original price was 30, who pocketed the remaining 5?

Blogger Gunnarvoncowtown von Cowtown January 05, 2020 10:01 AM  

This fight has been brewing for a long time. I can remember going to my grandmother's Methodist church back in the 80's and sitting through a congregational meeting with her. They were arguing about the homos back then.

Best of luck to Nate and the actual Christian Methodists.

Purge the heretics.

Deus vult!

Blogger DonReynolds January 05, 2020 11:37 AM  

"The 12.5-million-member UMC has been in a standoff over LGBT issues for decades, culminating in a vote in favor of its traditional position against same-sex marriage and gay clergy during a special session last year."

NO ONE should be permitted to vote if they will not accept the outcome of the election. This is implied in the act of voting. By adding your vote to that of others, you agree to abide by the majority will.

But that is not what the Left does. If they lose the vote, they will insist the vote be taken again....and again, until you get it right. And if that does not work, they will demand separation.... which is a silly term. One can separate simply by putting one foot in front of the other. When they say separation, they do not mean they will leave. They mean to have a partition of the whole, which they are not entitled to take with them when they "separate".

Nice house you have here. Let's vote on who gets to own it. I lost that vote, let's vote again...and again. Shucks, this does not work. I will pick the rooms I want and you can have the rest. Is it a deal? I will even throw in laundry privileges and occasional use of the kitchen.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) January 05, 2020 2:15 PM  

67. Andy'scurious January 05, 2020 3:12 AM
All about neuroscience and the brains development.

easily proven a lie by anyone with cursory knowledge of Classical Greece.

or modern Turkey.

or Oscar Wilde.

Blogger Akulkis January 05, 2020 3:01 PM  


" I love sending SJW types into conniptions when they try to embed themselves into the EO congregation I am a part of. Nothing like the priests asking what you did and if you can do it again in the future but with more tact."

Can you elaborate?
Give us the details. They would be both entertaining AND USEFUL.

Blogger CM January 05, 2020 7:08 PM  

But that is not what the Left does. If they lose the vote, they will insist the vote be taken again.

They believe, wrongly, that they are ascendant. Perhaps they should be given their hold on institutions like education, info media, and entertainment. Turns out, people need education, want to be informed, and want to be entertained even if they are dishing schlock, so the consumption of their dreck was interpreted as agreement.

I think they have been completely shocked to find out they aren't the majority, in spite of the successful brainwashing they have managed (media conglomerate = trusted news, Disney = wholesome family values and kid friendly, public/industrialized education is the best education). I'm kind of surprised myself, so it is incredibly wonderful to hear about these majorities that defy the left's expectations.

The breakdown should give rise to better stuff - hopefully. But we might have to go through more garbage first.

Blogger Pathfinderlight January 05, 2020 8:38 PM  

Taking the money and running from this fight seems to be a stupid move. $25 mil is likely not enough to replace the lost church buildings. There is an implicit guarantee that the real christians won't infiltrate and reverse the loss, while there is no reciprocal agreement to not infiltrate the new organization.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot January 05, 2020 9:10 PM  

The Churchians are of this world, the true Christians are not. Simple as that.

"The proposal includes $25 million for the 'traditionalist Methodist denomination.' Another $2 million would be set aside for other potential new denominations. And $39 million will be allocated over eight years to "support communities historically marginalized by racism."

After perusing multiple information sources, I concluded that it's the US part of the UMC that wants to cave to the LGBTQ+ crowd, while the African part of the UMC was dead set against it. So, the Africans get $25 million and kicked to the curb while the SJW Americans keep the real estate and the bulk of the $$$$. How fair. /sarc

(For the Catholics out there who want a tradtionalist take on current events in the Roman Catholic Church, Inc., here is a good website to visit...

Blogger the other boomer January 06, 2020 10:50 AM  

I grew up in the UMC, left it 40 years ago when I moved to a city where the UMC congregation accepted homosexuality. The clergy and their supporters sincerely believed that they are showing love by accepting homosexuals and that Jesus and Wesley would be doing and teaching as they are if they were around today, since these modern folks are so much smarter than were people, and even Jesus, back then. Their love, unfortunately, just greases the skids for people to slide down into Hell. Real love has to care for sinners (which we all are), but also to give them the truth.
The United Methodist Church officially follows the Bible, and also a book called the Discipline, both of which reject homosexuality, but the denominational leadership, seminaries, and many pastors reject what God and the rules of the denomination say. The liberal churches, mostly in the North and in big cities, shrink in membership, while the evangelical, Bible teaching churches, mostly in the South and overseas, grow. Thus the liberals have lost the vote at the general conference, and they really have no place in the UMC. Church buildings belong to th denomination, not to the congregation. It would be a long, difficult process, but anyone in leadership, especially seminary professors, who teach heresy should go, and they aren't entitled to any church real estate or money. Replace them with believers. If there are church buildings with no congregation left, or seminaries that are no longer needed, they can be sold. There is no reason to give the churchians, who lost, anything.

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